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    Quote Posted by PRAY PEACE (here)

    The content presented below was posted to http://www.provemewrong.today

    Summer 2016 - Multiple terrorist attacks against the West occur after initial attacks transpire in the Middle East during Ramadan against Israeli and Western personnel/assets, expanding predominantly to Europe and the United States as the summer progressed. These attacks result in a handful to dozens of people killed in each attack on both sides of the pond.
    Well, so far, 4 days later, spot on. (And I wish I was not writing that.)

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    Well in this case let's hope it's the end of it.

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    From Davids headline page.....
    https://www.davidicke.com/headlines

    Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub (Live Updates)

    By David on 12 June 2016 GMT War and Terror



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cThjEEFT0w

    A mass shooting has taken place in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, resulting in multiple
    deaths and injuries, police said, adding that the shooter was killed by a SWAT team. According
    to officials, the incident can be classified as “a domestic terror incident.”’

    Read more: Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub (Live Updates)

    https://www.rt.com/usa/346325-orland...lse-nightclub/

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    Omar Mateen: Five Fast Facts You Need to Know



    ‘Mateen has no known criminal history, according to CBS News.

    But The Daily Beast, citing a senior law enforcement source, said Mateen was a person of interest
    in law enforcement investigations in 2013 and 2014. The news website reports the FBI opened an
    investigation into Mateen at some point, but closed it “when it produced nothing that appeared to
    warrant further investigation.”

    The source told The Daily Beast he’s a “known quantity” who has “been on the radar before.”

    CNN reports that Mateen was a known ISIS sympathizer.’

    Read more …

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-m...ive-terrorism/

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    Orlando Nightclub Shooter, Omar Mateen, Was Investigated By FBI For Making Terrorist Threats In 2013 And 2014






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    Quote Posted by 6pounder (here)
    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.
    Also helps deflect interest in Hillary's email/server/corruption issues as well.

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    Mateen worked for G4S (massively large global security group) - G4S plc is a British multinational security services company headquartered in central London.

    It is the world's largest security company measured by revenues and has operations in around 125 countries.

    Mateen was hired in 2007.

    http://www.g4s.us/en-US/Who%20we%20are/History/
    Quote 2002
    Group 4 Falck purchases The Wackenhut Corporation. Founded in Florida in 1954, The Wackenhut Corporation was the second-largest security services company in the United States at the time.
    Remember the CAMO-DUDES at Area-51?

    Quote 2010
    The Wackenhut Corporation rebrands to become G4S Secure Solutions (USA) Inc.

    G4S acquires Western Investigations Pty Limited Australia, enhancing the global offerings of G4S Compliance & Investigations.

    G4S acquires Nuclear Security Services Company (NSSC), which now sits within G4S Secure Integration.
    dots.. more dots..

    (G4S main headquarters is apparently not commenting on its Facebook and Twitter accounts) however

    their Jupiter Florida office said this:

    Quote 1:56 P.M. The global security firm G4S, with offices in Jupiter, has confirmed that Orlando shooter Omar Mateen has worked for the company since 2007. Statement from G4S:

    “We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub. We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.”

    Related: More about G4S (Orlando News)

    1:28 p.m.: State records show a man named Omar Mateen is licensed as a security guard and also holds a firearms license. G4S, a global security firm with an office in Jupiter, listed an employee named Omar Mateen in a newsletter posted online. The company has not responded to requests to confirm whether its employee is the Orlando shooter.
    G4S office, Florida -

    G4S' clients range from NASA and nuclear plants to gated communities. Guards make $10 to $20 an hour, depending on their experience and where in the country they work.

    The 225 employees at G4S (Florida's Office) headquarters moved into the new building in Jupiter last week.

    In 2002, Danish security firm Group 4 Falck bought Wackenhut Corp., and in 2004 Group 4 Falck and Securicor combined to create G4S. The Wackenhut name survived until this month..

    Mateen - brief background

    Mateen was born in New York.

    Prior to getting his job with G4S global security, In 2006 he changed his name from
    Omar Mir Seddique
    to Omar Mir Seddigue Mateen, according to public records.

    A registered Democrat, he voted in 2008 and again in 2014.

    Previous FBI investigation (details summary):

    In his first Facebook entry in December 2011, Moner Abu-salha posts video of Imam calling for death of homosexuals.

    In 2015 FBI investigated connection between Abu-salha, who lived in Vero Beach, and Omar Mateen, the Orlando shooter. Mateen lived about 30 minutes south of Abu-salha - the first American suicide bomber in Syria.

    The Vero Beach bomber tied to Mateen posted anti-gay video on Facebook.

    After Moner Abu-salha became the first American suicide bomber in Syria, the FBI investigated Omar Mateen’s connection to Abu-salha.

    Abu-salha went to the Middle East, trained, and returned to the Treasure Coast (Florida), specifically Vero and fort Pierce, to recruit.

    The FBI says he didn’t recruit anyone, but it’s possible he did have contact with Mateen.

    Analyzing the NAME MATEEN

    http://www.whyislam.org/god/names-an...utes-of-allah/ (attributes of Allah)

    Arabic Transliteration------------Translation-------------------------- Quranic Usage
    54---------------------------------Al-Mateen "The Firm", The Steadfast------------------51:58
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    There are many agenda's the PTB would like to deflect the press
    and the public from Syria to Hillary , but if IS was really independent
    shootings like this would do nothing for PR. Unless you are not really
    an independent freedom fighting group, just a puppet outfit.

    I just saw this article and its amusing to see the 'brave' general
    'Run Away' !

    ================================================

    Reporter Chases Bilderberger General Petraeus Through Streets of Dresden

    By David on 12 June 2016 GMT Activism, Illuminati Criminals



    ‘Infowars reporter Rob Dew chased Bilderberg member and former CIA director
    General David Petraeus through the streets of Dresden, Germany today in an
    attempt to ask the former CIA director a question about Hillary Clinton’s email scandal.

    Petraeus left the Kempinski hotel for a jog in the afternoon and Dew was on hand
    to quiz him. The dramatic footage shows Dew cut short an interview before pursuing
    Petraeus on foot as police look on, making no attempt to stop the reporter.’

    Read more: Reporter Chases Bilderberger General Petraeus Through Streets of Dresden

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-re...f-dresden.html


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    Meanwhile these are complex events and although the puppet masters maybe
    pulling the strings. Real groups get infiltrated and victims murdered . The
    'troubles' in NI is one of hundreds of conflicts over the centuries and depending
    which side you are on makes a massive difference and its the victors that
    write history on the whole.

    There have been many of these over the years only a very few get justice....

    This was headline news a couple days ago in the UK.

    Families hail finding of 'significant police collusion' in Loughinisland murders

    Families of six Catholic men murdered by loyalist gunmen in a village pub have
    hailed a damning watchdog investigation that exposed significant police collusion
    with the killers.



    http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/fami...11364067116912

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    'PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION' is very old in its various forms through out history...
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    Quote Posted by 6pounder (here)

    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.
    Yes. I fear this may be the start of a wave that will build and build, with repeated, similar events on both sides of the Atlantic, until Trump is elected. That may be deliberate to push him into power, if some decision's been made to go with him rather than Hillary. Half the population would be screaming at him, giving him a mandate to take whatever action was needed. But that's a pure personal wild guess.

    If there's another one of these events in the US in the next few weeks (and the follow-up would need to leave more fatalities, for maximum 'wave-building' effect), then I'd say that would go quite a long way to confirm the hypothesis.

    If that's what's happening (if), then the endgame would be to use Trump to precipitate some major conflict (domestic and/or foreign) that would help usher in the one-world government as the 'solution'.

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    IMO, they'll use Hillary or trump, which ever shoe fits.

    The most reasonable potential for good outcome, is if Trump asks Bernie Sanders to be his VP running mate.

    VP's tend to get the foreign visit agenda in their court, so they are acting as the voice of the president in worldwide meetings, secret or otherwise, with world leaders.

    I don't see it happening but it would put trump and Bernie both, in potent positions, as a guaranteed reality.

    Ie, if one could convince both of them to try it, they would definitely achieve the offices of Prez and VP.

    Falsification of the vote, in any form, could not stop them. They'd be too potent a force in the voting booth.
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    Doesn't this also do a great job of taking focus off what's going on in Dresden Germany with the Bildebergers?

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    Regarding the video above ^^^... we find that each of us tends to have their own pet theories, ideas and voices.

    There is only one reason such a plethora of ideas on solutions can exist, and that is a total lack of a grasp on the true source of the issues. An incomplete story or data set will produce that plethora of different suggestions and ideas, that notable lack of coherence in found directions.

    Which is exactly how the people behind the curtains, want it to be, so they can suggest and enact their own solutions. It's been this way since the dawn of collectivist human behaviour.

    This is why I always say You need go straight for the man behind the curtain.

    It's manipulation, plain and simple. On multiple levels.

    Unless you go for the hidden aspects of the system, the hidden players, and make other people KNOW it is the hidden players in your own field, your OWN world, you will never get clear enough to have a direction of your own which is self directed and stable.

    You. Must. Go. After. The. Hidden. Players. Nothing else matters. Everything else is wasted energy.
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    Why the name AL-MATEEN

    The name says it, really - what's up.

    Allah calls Himself Al-Mateen— The Firm, The Steadfast— once in the Quran. Al-Mateen is the One of whom in addition to His unconquerable power, His nature is to be firm. This combination of possession of the perfect strength and complete firmness of nature means no one can ever object to His actions or prevent His orders from being carried out!

    Mateen comes from the root meem-taa-noon, which points to four main meanings. The first meaning is to be strong, firm, and hard. The second main meaning is to be solid or robust. The third to be steadfast, determined, and sure, and the fourth main meaning is to possess any quality to a strong degree. This root appears three times in the Quran in one derived form. An example of this form is mateenun (“[is] firm”).

    Linguistically, mateen means something very strong and very stable; its foundation is unshakeable. Al-Qawiyy is the One who possesses the attribute of inexhaustible strength, whereas Al-Mateen is the One whose nature it is to be firm, steadfast, and determined. He is the One who can easily overcome anything through supreme firmness and strength of determination!

    To have missed that name change is a very big RED FLAG..

    The name change was the statement.

    (reference)

    Quote @Bob:

    "Mateen - brief background

    Mateen was born in New York.

    Prior to getting his job with G4S global security,

    In 2006 he changed his name from

    Omar Mir Seddique

    to Omar Mir Seddigue Mateen, according to public records."
    What human being calls himself formally a or "the" "Supreme Being" ?

    One using a name/title so morally "right" that no one can challenge him?

    Quote Allah calls Himself Al-Mateen— The Firm, The Steadfast
    Suicide bombers? Those programmed?

    Next ask the question, BY WHOM?

    Ask the question if Al-Mateen acted out, is that the marker, is that the keyword, the "signal" ?
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    .
    Of interest, maybe (or at least amusement!), here's a copy of a Skype chat between myself and Paul just a few minutes ago.

    Paul:
    Who do you think was delivering a message, and to whom, with that shooting?

    Bill: No clear answers. Maybe we can debate it.
    First, there’s a NWO program to shift to a higher gear after the Nov US election (whoever is elected, but my guess would be that they're preparing a Trump 'Plan B').
    The Trump Plan B would be to wed increasing 'terror attacks' with Trump's strongly stated plans to come down hard in several different ways. Result, civil unrest or worse (maybe much worse).
    I fear this may be the start of a wave that will build and build, with repeated, similar events, until Trump is elected. That may be deliberate to push him into power, if some decision's been made to go with him rather than Hillary. Half the population would be screaming at him, giving him a mandate to take whatever action was needed. But that's a pure personal wild guess.
    If there's another one of these in the US in the next few weeks (and the follow-up would need to leave more fatalities, for maximum 'wave-building' effect), then I'd say that would go quite a long way to confirm the hypothesis.
    If that's what's happening (IF), then the endgame would be to use Trump to precipitate some major conflict (domestic and/or foreign) that would help usher in the one-world government as the 'solution'.
    If the goal is a one-world government, then the Russians would have to be in on the strategy, at the highest level.

    Paul: It seems that you don't trust Trump (amongst many untrustworthy parties to this murderous chaos), while I in particular don't trust the Neocon-Nazi-Washington-New York complex (amongst many, of course)

    Bill:

    Paul: I figure Trump is being brought in to handle the bankruptcy of the Washington - New York political, military, intelligence, financial, monetary complex. No doubt others (other bastard insiders) are backing Trump, as part of taking down Wash/NY/...

    Bill: I just think Trump would be used. He'd be pushed in the direction he wants to lean.

    Paul: Yes - anyone who gets within a country mile of the Oval Office is usable - otherwise they'd be dead.

    Bill:
    My sense is that the elite behind the scenes are busy figuring out how they'd take advantage of him as president. Actually, that'd seem to be quite easy, even if he is making his own decisions. All they have to do is choreograph what's needed to get him to react.

    Paul: If you want to turn a screw, you pick a screwdriver. If you want to pound a nail, you pick a hammer. Similarly the bastards in power pick and choose Presidential candidates, based on suitability for their upcoming roles.

    Bill: In Trump's case, they may just be planning to choreograph events based on his personality (they didn't choose that, maybe, but they can sure use it).
    Like a kid with toy soldiers, who has one in his right hand and another in his left. They'll manage it all, or try to, to best suit their ends.

    Paul: Yes

    Bill: What's really needed is for Trump to have been deceiving everyone all along, including his followers, and when elected he immediately unilaterally disarms.
    (might happen in Hollywood, but probably not in Washington)

    Paul: The Washington Neocons have been going too far, and they, along with some major Western Banks, the overreaching US Military and Intelligence agencies, the CIA orchestrated narcotics business, the Petro-Dollar (meaning US stealing Saudi oil profits), and associated rackets are going to be cut back ... to the shock and dismay of your average American, who is not expecting the US to become another Venezuala.
    So disarmament is not needed so much, so long as the neocons aren't able to actually kill millions in an effort to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

    Bill: Agreed

    Paul: My summary of this posted yesterday still agrees with my hunches: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1074238

    Bill: There was an interesting YT video the other day: 'The truth behind the FEMA camps'. It was actually compelling: that they're simply for the millions who'd be out of work, who'd lost their houses, and would be unable to feed themselves. Like in the early 30s. It kinda made sense.

    Paul: Whether this plays out well for humanity, in the longer run, depends in good part on unseen forces, and on the impact of the increased human connectivity and awareness, such as facilitated by the Web.

    Bill: Yes. Part of the strategy HAS to be to control/ limit/ police the web.

    Paul: I can't tell at this point whether the other groups of Bastards in power, such as the Russian and Chinese leadership, are essentially just new "Crime Families", throwing out the older "Crime Families", or whether they are less evil. They could still be quite nasty, even if less evil ... that's an easy bar to pass.

    Bill: Yes

    Here's a question for you. Would a BREXIT Yes vote (which I predict will happen) crash the Euro? If so, that could topple a big chain of dominos.

    Paul: There are several lynchpins in Europe - BRExit, banks in Italy and Spain, Deutsche Bank, Muslim immigrants, ...

    Bill: Yep... it could all collapse in a big heap

    Paul: I feel like I've gotten into a time machine, to watch crates of C4 explosive, thermite, mini-nukes, and mysterious energy devices being hauled into the WTC towers in the dead of night, night after night, in the fall of 2001

    Bill: (laughing)
    And military satellites being carefully steered into place, too

    Bill: We should copy and paste this chat to the forum.
    Maybe we could sell tickets

    Paul:
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    Quote Doesn't this also do a great job of taking focus off what's going on in Dresden Germany with the Bildebergers?
    That was also the point I suppose to be making ...LOL

    Quote This is why I always say go straight for the man behind the curtain. It's manipulation, plain and simple. On multiple levels.
    Exactly......


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    Paul Watson is partially right imo ......There has always been a radical muslim problem

    WTF? Crucifixion, Beheading, Stoning, Saudi Arabia and ISIS/ISIL have near-identical punishments!!



    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-punishments--

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    But there are also many more moderate ones who's voice often is ignored or drowned......

    The London mayor elections mirrored the tensions of the Middle East as the two
    main candidates were of muslim and Jewish descent , interesting sign of the times,
    coincidence ? or stage managed for the current political climate ? .....


    Sadiq Khan Mayor of London Elected First Speech



    Streamed live on 11 Jun 2016

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    Its all spin and political BS , but in the end they all take orders.....

    Donald Trump Challenges Muslim London Mayor To IQ Test



    Published on 16 May 2016


    Republican nominee Donald Trump challenged London Mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ
    test after the Muslim mayor said Trump’s views on Islam were ignorant. Islamists
    have carried out over 28,000 deadly attacks in the name of Allah since the 9-11
    attacks on America. CNN reported: Donald Trump said Monday London’s new
    mayor made “very rude statements” about him — and the presumptive Republican
    presidential nominee warned he won’t have a good relationship with British Prime
    Minister David Cameron if he’s elected. Trump made the comments in an interview
    with ITV’s “Good Morning Britain” host Piers Morgan, when asked to respond to
    criticisms made about him by British politicians… - …In December, Cameron labeled
    the presidential hopeful’s suggestion of a temporary ban on Muslims traveling to
    the U.S. as “divisive, stupid and wrong.”

    Asked about Cameron’s remarks, Trump said he didn’t care, then added, “It looks
    like we’re not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows, I hope to have a
    good relationship with him but it sounds like he’s not willing to address the problem
    either.” He continued: “Number one, I’m not stupid, okay? I can tell you that right
    now. Just the opposite. Number two, in terms of divisive, I don’t think I’m a divisive
    person, I’m a unifier, unlike our president now, I’m a unifier.” Trump also had
    words for Sadiq Khan, who became the first Muslim to hold the office of Mayor of
    London when he was elected this month. Shortly after taking office, Khan criticized
    Trump’s views of Islam as ignorant — remarks that Trump said had offended him.
    The new mayor had been responding to a suggestion from Trump that he would
    make an “exception” to his proposed “temporary Muslim ban” for Khan. “Let’s take
    an I.Q. test,” Trump said.

    CNN: Donald Trump on London mayor: 'Very rude'
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politic...
    Progressives Today: Hah! Donald Trump Challenges Muslim London Mayor to IQ Test
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/...
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    bloke being interviewed cut off as soon as he mentions doors being held shut from inside

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    It's 100 degrees here; Florida is not much colder. Hence, clothing is kind of minimal. Makes me wonder--how you would foist a rifle past the door man, unless you just shoot him first. It must have been pretty loud, since someone thought the shots were "part of the music" at first. So I guess you could shoot your way in and keep going; that part doesn't seem to be mentioned.

    I'm not sure that a surname change would generally be a reason to revoke a license, or that SWAT not being on the scene immediately at 2 in the morning is incompetent.

    Doors held shut from the _inside...?
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    From S.K. Bain:

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    IMO, they'll use Hillary or trump, which ever shoe fits.

    The most reasonable potential for good outcome, is if Trump asks Bernie Sanders to be his VP running mate.

    VP's tend to get the foreign visit agenda in their court, so they are acting as the voice of the president in worldwide meetings, secret or otherwise, with world leaders.

    I don't see it happening but it would put trump and Bernie both, in potent positions, as a guaranteed reality.

    Ie, if one could convince both of them to try it, they would definitely achieve the offices of Prez and VP.

    Falsification of the vote, in any form, could not stop them. They'd be too potent a force in the voting booth.

    You make a great suggestion, I don't know if this post could make it to Trump, but it's a great idea, like it. I guess it would turn a winning election for Trump and Bernie.

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    So how much time will the Al-Mateen give us sinners?

    Quote Al-Mateen says: And I will give them time.

    Indeed, My plan is firm [Quran, 68:45]. Allah ‘azza wajal says He lets people go free for a long time, as this is all part of His plan and according to His wisdom.

    This way people can decide through different events to turn to the truth of Islam or not.

    Some might disbelieve and oppose Islam for years and eventually find guidance.

    Other times Al-Mateen gives the disbeliever a long time to live and the disbeliever carries on doing more evil, so he or she is punished more.

    This also means that believers have the chance to get more reward and higher ranks in Paradise through their struggles and good deeds throughout the long period of time Al-Mateen gave them.

    The plan of Allah is firm! (link)
    If the fellow needed to change his name to show his "firmness", sure seems like that name change would have been on the radar, and some button pushing group could easily see him as a Sirhan-Sirhan, or Oswald like patsy. If they could trust him to do the shooting, what level of programming did he receive? and by Whom?

    His ex-wife said he had received training at a juvenile detention center, when he was changing. So that he could eventually become an agent for the security company. (not sure if 'agent' is the right word, but that is how it has been described.. the emphasis was he was needing to be some keeper of law.. a 'police officer'.) She emphasized how she was beaten and how he became "madder and madder". Was the programming done there? Are there more programmed? Is that the hidden connection, where "it" is happening?

    Mateen's ex wife spoke that "he changed" dramatically, and had to separate, that he was severely disturbed, traumatized, and "mentally ill".. One should have been flagged by the psychiatrist who authorized his security license. Or was that part of the setup?

    The name change to Mateen is very very definite as a statement. Quite possibly it could be indeed the keyword trigger for the "sleeper to awaken".. hmmm

    The talking heads are spinning it already saying how could he be mentally ill?

    Seems they have a different understanding what a "shooter/killer" is.
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    It's 100 degrees here; Florida is not much colder. Hence, clothing is kind of minimal. Makes me wonder--how you would foist a rifle past the door man, unless you just shoot him first. It must have been pretty loud, since someone thought the shots were "part of the music" at first. So I guess you could shoot your way in and keep going; that part doesn't seem to be mentioned.

    I'm not sure that a surname change would generally be a reason to revoke a license, or that SWAT not being on the scene immediately at 2 in the morning is incompetent.

    Doors held shut from the _inside...?




    safety doors are usually of this nature, or similar enough in design and operation, that there is no difference. They are required by law.

    they can be blocked from use, ie, locked, by putting something behind the bar, so it cannot press downward or inward to the door surface..... Thereby holding the door in a locked and closed condition. A bottle of beer, small thermos, something like that, is enough to do it. Such a door mechanism is sometimes called a 'panic bar', or 'crash bar' as it is designed to open regardless, by simple body pressure of any kind.

    Unless...of course...

    This kind is more difficult to defeat, if it is properly designed.



    One would have to insert a screwdriver on both sides, to defeat a properly built one. the best have no perceivable gap, so nothing can defeat them. But they are notably more expensive.

    I went through this when working with a business partner, when revamping a building for a factory space. We did our due diligence and went for the best doorbars possible. The indefeatable types, where if it were done either accidentally or purposely, it had to be difficult, or impossible.
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