'Hidden Hand' - claimed Illuminati insider, 2008

[Flash]

Thanks Henry, Eram and Paula. The Laurency.com site still does not work for me - it is as if they had bumped out my IP from their site, persona non grata, for whichever reason. However, Eram has sent me the whole content on pdf, many thanks, now I can go on the reading - in English lol.

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by Maunagarjana

Maybe I should think about doing a hoax like the HH, because I have some messages I'd like to get across to people. But apparently they will only get wide circulation if one is clever enough to serve those messages up on a giant platter of lies.

Is there some specific areas or subjects in HH interview that you view as being lies?
Let's forget for a while the notion from DW staff that HH was a hoax. What about the substance, what do you make of it?

UT

[Anchor]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Some statements are actually facts.

Sometimes, but not always. Not when you live in an illusion which contains paradox and infinity.

What we can all do on our different paths of seeking for the ultimate truth, is post what we may think are useful signs from our perspectives. We may do this out of the conceited and arrogant belief that we "know" something that others need to know, but even if done in humble honest humility and pure desire to be of service to others and the creator; the results will be just as variable.

That end result will lie on a spectrum of being understood to completely misunderstood with no real possibility of predicting the results!

Of course the bad guys play this game just as well, and their messages are usually more tuned toward what your ego wants and desires, or less sophisticated that which you may fear - a more certain outcome? Who knows. I am not so sure we are all dumb enough to fall for it.

Just take what resonates and leave the rest.

There are no rules to all this, just what happens and what is seen to happen.

[Kalamos]

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[Kalamos]

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[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana

Maybe I should think about doing a hoax like the HH, because I have some messages I'd like to get across to people. But apparently they will only get wide circulation if one is clever enough to serve those messages up on a giant platter of lies.

Is there some specific areas or subjects in HH interview that you view as being lies?
Let's forget for a while the notion from DW staff that HH was a hoax. What about the substance, what do you make of it?

UT

It's been a while since I've read it. And considering that I think it's a hoax, it's not something I would care to revisit. But I don't think I can really answer that question. All I could say is what claims in the HH resonate as being true to me, and what don't. But if you like, I guess, you could make a list of some of the things in it, and I'll give you my opinion of it. I would guess that most of what I would agree with would already be found in the Law of One books.

The thing is, there are certain people out there who I think love to play around with the concept of the unverifiable. Things that are unprovable and unfalsifiable are their canvas. Lots of people find this type of thing to be really cute. I mean, we are at a point with the HH where even if you personally met the person behind the HH and he or she could prove that they were behind it and that it was a big hoax, I mean *really* prove it, you probably still wouldn't believe it, because that's exactly what the HH would do, right? Hoax that they hoaxed it. So it's unfalsifiable.

But just in an overall way, my take on the HH is that it is outrageously false that any of the elites behind the scenes are consciously performing a divine duty by supplying us with catalyst by playing the role of evil bastards. They may actually believe they are the saviors of humanity by thinking the way they do, but they are deluded. There may be people in the elite classes who may think much more like many of the people on this forum, but they would not be serious power players. They would in fact be excluded.

The people who run the organizations and institutions who really run the planet are deluded, sick, myopic, narcissistic individuals who are obsessed with power and domination. There may be some (the ones really into the black magick) who are aware of what the Law of One says, that there is such thing as a "negative harvest" for a very small number of people, but those individuals, should they actually achieve this, are in for a surprise when they are thrust into a nightmarish world that to me is indistinguishable in many ways from hell. And they will richly deserve it.

[Maunagarjana]

One thing I thought of is that when I first read the HH, I read the thread that originated that document on abovetopsecret.com and there were people in the thread challenging HH, and saying that some of what HH was saying was factually inaccurate. I can't remember any specific instances, but if you go back and read that thread (here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1 ) you may see what I'm talking about.

If anyone talks long enough, no matter how vague they are, eventually they're going to say something that can be verified in some way, shape, or form. Sometimes a perceived error is a matter of opinion, where opinions vary, but sometimes not. Although, even if someone makes a false statement, it doesn't prove it's a hoax, because everyone can misspeak or be wrong about some detail even if they are largely correct about something. But trying to find these types of things would be a good starting point for those trying to ascertain the validity of HH.

[Ultima Thule]

Few details that provide evidence against HH account being genuine are his predictions about sun events and financial melodian, meltdown that is(thank you auto correction ) happening at around 2008-2009. Which hasn't happened.

UT

[Kalamos]

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[seehas]

just read it the first time now, and i have to thank for posting that interview, didnt knew it till now !

there was some great information in there, liked the stuff about getting rid of karma realy much because its a huge job for me in my life and some things reminded me on what i have to do and concentrate for, the thing about the great harvest i belive this can start some weird feelings(fear) in some of us, for me it doesnt realy matter because i see earthlife as a way of learning and so i dont fear a "harvest" if life is over i chose a new life and it will continue at the right place no matter if 3th back on earth for 100000time or 4th somewhere else with or without the harvest doesnt realy matter.

something about fake or real:

when i was pretty young at school my teacher told me to bring an interesting video that we could watch in school, i brought an erich von däniken documentary about "präastronautic" because i realy liked it allready in younger years ... when the video was running the teacher was interrupting the video all the time telling everyone what rubbish this is he called him a lier and hoaxer ... kids listen to the dramatic music it is there to make u belive it !!! so i got a big laugh from the class and the video was ejected after some minutes, it was the last time i ever was asked for a video. for me it was a sad situation and i was wondering why they didnt listened to the information?

i think its the same for many "whistleblowers" many people argue alot about if it is legit and its not a fake "IS HE REAL?" i wont say it doesnt matter but listening to the information the person has to offer and take it to your heart.

[poetbil]

Good news ,lol "No one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game...."

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

and here is the dialogue in pdf form : http://www.illuminati-news.com/pdf/D...d-WesPenre.pdf

[Sérénité]

I found this bit interesting:

Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized
comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your
minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to,
violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the
last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because
of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other
way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is
your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important
to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means
Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative
Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.

And this too...

"In order to choose the positive path, at least 51 percent of our thoughts
and actions must be dedicated to the service of others. For the negative path, at least 95% must
be self-serving. Between the two lies “the sinkhole of indifference".”
HH: Your statement is correct, yes. So you see, how hard we must strive for negativity? It takes a lot of
effort to reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may be surprised how many people on the planet are nowhere
near reaching 51% Positive.
ATS: How do you choose a Service to others path?
HH: Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be genuinely thankful to
the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you into Being, and for his bountiful provision. You have
"survived" this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you
need, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Show
acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator, for all that It has done, and is doing for you. It
has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create
with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you
are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will
become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your
fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a
beacon of light, in a dark world.

Sounds easy peasy to outwit them...lets give it a go!