Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by giovonni (here)

On second thought, I really would like to see both Bill and Simon interviewed (together) simultaneously ...

The person to be interviewed with Simon on public record would be someone who he's abused in a counseling session.

[giovonni]

Posted by onawah (here)
I think tempers are running a bit hot for that right now.
In any case, Jay Pee is about as opposite as you can get from talk show hosts who encourage confrontation.
Simon has never been one for confrontation, which is a bit of a problem for a whistleblower.
Maybe down the line, if some of his clients from one on one sessions speak for him...

Posted by giovonni (here)

On second thought, I really would like to see both Bill and Simon interviewed (together) simultaneously ...

If you say so Natalie, do you really think Bill would have agreed to such ...
BTW - When was the last time he did an open air (off forum) interview?

I would sure like to hear one !

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Onawah: " I've never seen a human story yet where there wasn't two sides."

It could be really nice if that was true, Natalie, but human stories have three, four and even more sides to it many times. This seems to be such a case here as well, and stirring the pots between humans is a favourite game by others. Withdraw while letting the message sip in may be the best. Non consent and energy detachment can do wonders when energies are being diverted to look here and not there, and to look there and not here - deliberatly timed in our most important moment.

Many blessings ~

Limor

[onawah]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
On second thought, I really would like to see both Bill and Simon interviewed (together) simultaneously ...

The person to be interviewed with Simon on public record would be someone who he's abused in a counseling session.

That would certainly be revealing, especially if they had a recording of the session. Is there such a person? update: What I meant to say here was: is there such a person who would be willing to do that who has a recording of the session? Though in view of points that Eva made in her post following, that would not the most ethical use to put this forum to. But that would surely be the definitive factor which would help decide a case such as this if it were brought to trial.

Posted by giovonni (here)
If you say so Natalie, do you really think Bill would have agreed to such ...
BTW - When was the last time he did an open air (off forum) interview?
I would sure like to hear one !

If you didn't think Bill would agree to do an interview with Simon, Gio, then I don't understand why you would suggest it.
It seemed clear to me from the start that Bill wouldn't be interested in that at this time, nor would Simon.
I don't keep track of everything Simon does, but there was an open air interview of him not long ago. I don't remember where or with whom.

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Originally posted by Onawah: " I've never seen a human story yet where there wasn't two sides."

It could be really nice if that was true, Natalie, but human stories have three, four and even more sides to it many times. This seems to be such a case here as well, and stirring the pots between humans is a favourite game by others. Withdraw while letting the message sip in may be the best. Non consent and energy detachment can do wonders when energies are being diverted to look here and not there, and to look there and not here - deliberatly timed in our most important moment.
Many blessings ~
Limor

Yes, I agree, Limor. The movie Roshomon comes to mind.
The thing is, if Simon has been telling the truth about being part Reptilian and part Mantid in his nature (please, Greybeard, no more arguments about split souls; we've gone round about that and the whole False Light thing enough times), then this is not just a human story, it's a Reptilian/Mantid/Human story, and not just Earth human, but Inner Earth human.
Now Simon may have invented all that, but personally, I think that's unlikely.
But I do think maybe we Earth humans are going to have to learn to interact with more people who are more something else than they are human (Agape seems to have been trying to tell us that for a long time, apparently to the point of exhaustion and extreme frustration.)
(Personally, I think I was working with a basically Reptilian soul in a human body for recently, and what Simon revealed about Reptilian souls really helped me to understand that person and how to get along with a very dedicated, workaholic and basically unemotional personality.
From being almost unbearable, thanks to Simon's insights, the experience became interesting, though never easy.
So focusing on all this isn't just a distraction for me, I think it may be part of an important learning experience.)

Another time that Simon really helped me to deal with something very challenging was a few years ago when I was living next door to an extremely satanic person.
The info was just a few lines in a PM, but it was a very insightful message, and just the thing I needed to hear to help me get through.)

Much as I've tried to lead a very spiritual life and avoid any kind of contact with dark energies, I've frequently found very dark people in my life that I had no choice but to deal with.
Maybe I just need to understand that these extremes are part of my dharma and instead of resisting it, learning to proactively go forth to meet it.
(Fortunately, I've had some very enlightened people in my life as well.)
But maybe it's time for me to heed the words of Jesus when he said (according to the American King James version of the Bible, at least):

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for till now you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able.

...and be ready.

Now I've admitted that I don't know for sure if Simon is in that dark category or not, but so far, in my personal experience, what holds true for me is that his information has been helpful to me in times when I really needed help, and I still haven't seen enough conclusive evidence to the contrary.
Though like anyone, I'm sure he has a shadow side and I'm certain he has not transcended or integrated that.
But then I never expected him to be a great, wise, very professional expert who has it all together, and maybe that's why he's been helpful to me.
To me, he seems like a person who is still figuring out who he is and what he's here for, just like most of us.
He's clearly not a mainstream kind of person with conventional wisdom, but I think maybe he's had some unique and helpful perspectives for people who are dealing with high strangeness in their lives, and that kind of help is very scarce in this world.
Maybe that time in his life is over, or maybe it's just beginning. Only time will tell.

But this thread isn't about me, it's about Simon. I didn't intend to become a spokesperson for Simon, in any case, but I do feel that there's a principle here worth defending.
I'm just hanging in here to see if there will be any others who have been helped by Simon who are willing to speak, and see where it goes from there.

Would you mind rephrasing this, Limor? I'm not sure what you meant. Thanks. : "Withdraw while letting the message sip in may be the best".

[Agape]

But this thread isn't about me, it's about Simon. I didn't intend to become a spokesperson for Simon, in any case, but I do feel that there's a principle here worth defending.
I'm just hanging in here to see if there will be any others who have been helped by Simon who are willing to speak, and see where it goes from there.

Would you mind rephrasing this, Limor? I'm not sure what you meant. Thanks. : "Withdraw while letting the message sip in may be the best".

There's a couple of reflections I've posted in this thread last week that I'm happy now they were removed .

And I'm also happy to tell you now why some of my posts ( here and there ) end up looking so 'confusing' to you ,
there's of course, long lasting self-defence component to that confusion and if you want to use the term 'abuse' then I'd say 'hidden abuse' from many unexplored factors of human psyche and human community.
I do not like the term, trying to avoid it , as everyone who have genuine experience with both 'abuse' and 'therapy' in life will probably tell you, it's not healthy one for your self .

If I make any references towards 'my experience' within the context of this thread it's obviously , with respect to the topic and not because I'm 'showcasing' myself or asking you to reflect and discuss those .
I hope this is only logical and can be respected.

Likewise , I don't think it's anyones 'job' here to discuss Simons claims and experiences , out of their own one .

I know for example Onawah is very empathetic being , so are others and we all are capable of intuiting to each others problems , to the minutest detail if required.

The problem is ... this is still your own life and Simon has his own life and perspective and facets of experiences that aren't really human may be almost impossible to appreciate or understand ''from your human perspective''.

But this goes back to the start of the thread and with respect to Daniela and Alberto,
the topic was about them .

And from my larger overview .. I can't see really that their own problem would be addressed here sufficiently or presented in manner that would shine more light to what their other associations were and are that have to do with their own situation .
As the 'deepest' point of their trouble certainly can't be all 'about Simon' . Or is it (?).

So from psychological perspective there's obviously small shift of the 'focal centre' of some peoples situations happening here , from 'their problem' to 'Simons problem'.

Now, Simons problems can be in fact, infinitely bigger than theirs but how does it help all these people ?

Consequently, discussing 'Simons problems' and 'Simons situation' here , over and over again is in fact,
grossly unethical towards the people who came to seek refuge here and need their own lives being sorted and the last thing you want to hear,
after someone has betrayed your trust, albeit in therapeutic relationship probably is how 'relevant' are his/her problems to the world and how important or qualified are they otherwise.

Another important point before you jump on it Natalie is , this forum of course is not some kind of 'therapeutic hub' or council.

No matter how good your or anyones advice is , in matters of counselling and therapy ,
the moment it appears on public board,
it automatically loses credits and represents neither 'counselling advice' or 'therapeutic advice' .
It may mimic one but it is not one. It breaches many peoples ethical standards.

Simon Parkes did respond to this thread , somewhere on the page 4 ... and expressed his stand clearly about discontinuing consultations with aforementioned individuals because firstly, he missed the appointments , he was unable to fix it and after some rude argumentation ensued , warrantied by exposing the problem to public scrutiny
he does not want to continue with the same people .
Has his schedule booked in weeks forwards and is essentially, full. ( his own statement )

Unreliable as it sounds, it's not surprising me a little he's 'full'. Ask around about quality 'mental health services' and how long their waiting lists are, in the UK, the US or Canada and elsewhere . We all hear and read on this repeatedly .

He is not a licensed therapist and has no body to answer to .

So the warning was put up and ahead , Simon Parkes is full and not a responsible therapist .

It's all that can be done and all that matters to cover the topic, in my opinion.

Bill Ryan is not responsible for what Mr Parkes does, he can't 'call him in' and question him here or anywhere else ,
neither there's anyone who can force anyone down to 'confess' why did you cancel someones sessions .

This part of the discussion is another 'utopia' for me and breach of ethics. If I were Bill and the authority here ,
I'd certainly encourage people to come forwards with their experiences but would clearly state as it's commonly said even among more seasoned professionals , with respect to clients and each other, ''sorry but I have no responsibility for what Mr Parkes says or does, you'd have to discuss this part with him,
now lets focus on YOUR PROBLEMS'.


The illusion of intimating each persons 'problems' and perspectives here can be all from unethical to hurtful unless it's being done the right way, in the right environment .
I hope that this does make sense - or will someday - and hopefully also , do not have to be attacked about posting, or answered in an intimidating manner .



Thanks and best wishes :

[onawah]

If you meant Simon doing a recent open air, off forum interview, Gio, there is one here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1t_l4i8B2fg

Posted by giovonni (here)
If you say so Natalie, do you really think Bill would have agreed to such ...
BTW - When was the last time he did an open air (off forum) interview?
I would sure like to hear one !

[giovonni]

Posted by onawah (here)
If you meant Simon doing a recent open air, off forum interview,

Posted by giovonni (here)
If you say so Natalie, do you really think Bill would have agreed to such ...
BTW - When was the last time he did an open air (off forum) interview?
I would sure like to hear one !

While reiterating, its been quite awhile since I've heard Bill venture
outside the walls of the Avalon forum - And be interviewed by a non member ...

That is the type of 'open air' off forum interview I am referring to ... One that is conducted by
a creditable non bias interviewer - With one exactly such as the mentioned above Jay Pee ...


But since all this veers from point .... I will yield back to the OP topic.

[Agape]

update: What I meant to say here was: is there such a person who would be willing to do that who has a recording of the session? Though in view of points that Eva made in her post following, that would not the most ethical use to put this forum to. But that would surely be the definitive factor which would help decide a case such as this if it were brought to trial.

Aloha, hello , namaste Natalie ( dear )

Again ? There's no trial . There's not even any 'imaginary trial' . This forum is not a judicial chamber , we're not judges or jury , and there's probably no court in the world who would take up a case of even a con-man missing 4 therapy sessions.

Now, could you tell us please why are you posting Simon Parkes interviews to the thread of people who don't want to have anything to do with him nor they should ?

He is not the only one in the world who has this knowledge and certainly not the only one responsible for 'interplanetary war' ,
what really bugs everyone is that you can't stand for yourself and what you believe but keep posting us with another 'news' from Simon Parkes.

Did it occur to you the thread is really about Daniela and Alberto and not about Simon?


I'm not going to watch this, for Gods sake. I'm just not on that level that I'd benefit from someones claims and it does not help ANY abductee/contactee/experiencer to have their own experiences infiltrated and messed by someones elses claims.

In fact, it's usually plainly offensive .

If time allows I have a great topic on my mind that sounds like 'Therapeutic interventions in the UFO community' .

I'm merely saying that this is not respectful to the people concerned who are as precious to us here as Simon is, so is their testimony . Little compassion I suggest ,
rather than obsession.

[onawah]

The reason I posted the interview with Simon was because Gio asked (on this thread)

When was the last time he did an open air (off forum) interview?

... and I mistakenly thought he was referring to Simon.
That should be quite clear in the posts above.

There are more than one different topics than the original one which are being discussed in this thread.
I suggested to the Mods, as others did, that a separate thread might be created.
They left my posts in this thread, so I am continuing to post here, as I figure it's up to them to decide what is on topic and what is off.
How they do that is not up to me, but I have not been reprimanded (by anyone but you, Eva) for continuing to post what I think is relevant here.
I never suggested that the forum should be used as a substitute for a trial.
You are reading into what I have written things that are simply not there.

Simon's reputation is the one that has been smeared here, and he has been under various kinds of attacks since he first went public with his story.
I'm sure there are lots of people who would like to shut him up and would do whatever they could to effect that.
I think some of the those attacks may be masquerading as clients who say they were victimized by him.
I don't claim to know what the truth is, but it's clear to me there may be more than one possibility, and I don't think there has been substantial proof offered as yet.
So that is why I continue to consider this issue to be important and worth paying attention to, for the sake of all whistleblowers who are opening people's eyes to many important things which are being hidden from them, and may have been the target of such attacks.

[Biff]

I think some of the those attacks may be masquerading as clients who say they were victimized by him.

That's a stretch.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
They left my posts in this thread, so I am continuing to post here, as I figure it's up to them to decide what is on topic and what is off.

The responsibility for respecting thread topics is not entirely on the moderator's shoulders. We all, moderators, admins, founder, and members alike share that responsibility.

Even if no one specifically called you out or moved your posts, the effort to maintain some sort of focus in this thread on Simon's counseling endeavors, as opposed to his whistle-blowing endeavors, has been ongoing and at times difficult. Certainly just because someone asked a question that you took to refer to Simon's public whistle-blowing work does not mean that you have license to pay no further attention to the intended topic of this thread just to answer whatever you took the question to mean.

We are each responsible for choosing what we post and where we post it.

I have not been one of the moderators particularly focused on this thread, so I might leave any specific actions up to others. However I share greybeard's concern that we needed reminding of "what the thread started off being about."

===

P.S. -- On listening to the video you posted earlier today of Simon Parkes, onawah, it seems to me pretty obvious that almost all of it pertains to Simon's whistle blowing efforts, and quite little to his counseling efforts. So it is almost entirely off topic for this thread. I would have hoped that you could have come to the same realization, or at least realized that that was the likely perception that most viewers would have.

Absence of specific warnings addressed personally to you is not sufficient excuse, in my book, for over stepping the repeatedly requested topic bounds of a thread.

[onawah]

Thanks Paul. I can just start another thread when and if I get some responses to my request to hear from people who have been helped by Simon in one on one sessions. I have only been answering to member's direct comments to me on the present thread for the most part now, and explained that I am just hanging in there while waiting to get feedback from former clients of Simon's.

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
They left my posts in this thread, so I am continuing to post here, as I figure it's up to them to decide what is on topic and what is off.

The responsibility for respecting thread topics is not entirely on the moderator's shoulders. We all, moderators, admins, founder, and member share that responsibility.

Even if no one specifically called you out or moved your posts, the effort to maintain some sort of focus in this thread on Simon's counseling endeavors, as opposed to his whistle-blowing endeavors, has been ongoing and at times difficult.

I have not been one of the moderators particularly focused on this thread, so I will leave any specific actions up to others. However I share greybeard's concern that we needed reminding of "what the thread started off being about."

[onawah]

But it's also easy for people to get an account on Avalon and report a bogus abuse attack.
Some people stick around for a long time and so we get to know them, and have an idea about whether they would do such a thing or not.
On the other hand, some Avalon members are here for a long time, but it takes a long time to understand where they are really coming from.
We know that Avalon is a target for trolls and shills.
Even Bill has been deceived at times, or else he was playing his cards awfully close to the table.
Until we have a foolproof BS detector, we are going to continue to have to be very discerning.

[Agape]

Posted by onawah (here)
But it's also easy for people to get an account on Avalon and report a bogus abuse attack.
Some people stick around for a long time and so we get to know them, and have an idea about whether they would do such a thing or not.
On the other hand, some Avalon members are here for a long time, but it takes a long time to understand where they are really coming from.
We know that Avalon is a target for trolls and shills.
Even Bill has been deceived at times, or else he was playing his cards awfully close to the table.
Until we have a foolproof BS detector, we are going to continue to have to be very discerning.

I don't think there's even a way to answer this, seriously .

But from subtle beings point of view I can but share that the only person ultimately responsible for your paranoia levels always is you .

We all have been told to 'trust no one' . But in this world , we all need good friends, good environment, good society.
Now if you really believe decent people come in here to spend evenings in arguments , do they, it's their problem .
You have to believe in some decent people exist . If they don't that makes the world hell for me .

I've suffered through this here too many times even when having no personal connection there by what the 'collective experience' was and sharp terms flying through the air .
And it feels very painful, very dirty , hearing people call each other shills and someone going like : shhhh Shhhh all the time.
Very dirty.

But this is something each one of us have to work out on their own , I believe Bill could tell us stories about this if he ever wanted

and every witness and whistleblower could tell you how hard is it , how ungraceful to get this much 'feedback' for knowledge that should be payed by gold

but is being thrown like the pearls to the swines and back to the ocean because we are so ignorant of all these issues,

such a luxurious civilisation that can afford to throw the subtle truth out of window ..


Everybody is genuine as far as you can see .. blame your own intelligence for being able to discern who is who , I suggest.

Popularity , name and fame are temporary,
they rise with sunshine and settle with dusk.

It's your life , not someones else

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)
But it's also easy for people to get an account on Avalon and report a bogus abuse attack.
[...]

In that department, it's as easy for others to manufacture oh, so wonderful reports of miracles and beneficial interventions...

... the reason why Bill very precisely wrote this:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]

Of course you can post accounts of positive experiences. But it won't mean a thing.

... because he is in possession of this:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... please.

[...]
I've been sent a recording of one session, and it's a horror story. Any certified counselor would be banned for life — with no risk of exaggeration — if a formal complaint was made to the certificating authority. In this case, nothing can be done, as Simon isn't qualified or certified.

[...]

[onawah]

Again, that's one session, one recording and there may have been mitigating circumstances.
It may have been someone or ones who was setting up a clever trap for Simon, with Bill as the secondary target and tool for getting lots of public exposure.
And why would a few accounts of bad accounts have more weight than good accounts if all of them can be falsified?
I think I am just going to drop out of this thread. I'm tired of the same old arguments and of repeating myself.
The only thing I can do to offer anything new is to start a new thread with information from people who have had positive experiences in sessions with Simon who are willing to come forward, which I will do in that event.

[Hervé]

What appears to come out of this deliberately foggied thread is a very familiar Modus Operandi of psychopaths and their followers: BLAME THE VICTIM!

[giovonni]

Posted by Hervé (here)

... because he is in possession of this:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... please.

[...]
I've been sent a recording of one session, and it's a horror story. Any certified counselor would be banned for life — with no risk of exaggeration — if a formal complaint was made to the certificating authority. In this case, nothing can be done, as Simon isn't qualified or certified.

[...]

Saying all that does not rest assure what's taking place here ...

Why hasn't the complainant reported this to authorities?

Possessing such a recorded tape item should require legal action from the supposed victim ...

Especially in preventing any further victimization of other seekers of such services from Simon ...

And to call him to account formally in an overseeing public jurisdiction ...

Otherwise this is all just internet forum accusations and innuendo.

[giovonni]

Posted by Hervé (here)
What appears to come out of this deliberately foggied thread is a very familiar Modus Operandi of psychopaths and their followers: BLAME THE VICTIM!

That's totally inappropriate.

[giovonni]

Posted by greybeard (here)


The moment a person is put on a pedestal the end result is almost predictable.


Chris

Yes indeed.