F*Ck Society...Australia Rigged Election or People Stupid?

[TigaHawk]

I'll agree to disagree with you.

[apokalypse]

onservative firebrand senator Cory Bernardi says Malcolm Turnbull's future is up for debate within the Liberal Party, as he blamed party bosses for the election "disaster".

I think in the end he should be asking himself if he has done the Liberal Party a service or a disservice
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...04-gpxuqe.html

the knife already there for Turnbull...seems like there's a war among Coalition.

why have to negotiate with representative but not the people? hung parliament really said something about democracy. The Xenophon Team party have their own agenda.

never into election but currently into election and following media what he say she say just depress me on humanity. we are so separated. just heard about Postal Votes that majority are favor coalition due to being rich which kills me, why people are so delusional with illusion of wealth.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
I think there is a good example of all the special little snowflakes thinking they are too smart to vote

Seriously, "special little snowflakes thinking they are too smart to vote"? What's with the animosity, mate? Why are little snowflakes like me special and too smart, why? Why not disillusioned and fed up with voting for a bunch of sycophant marionettes?

These questions are rhetorical.

[Cassmiranda]

Posted by Andre (here)

The voting system is a bit more complicated than the above explanation, and a few minor parties do pick up a few seats here and there along the way. And in the last decade or so this is becoming more of a thorn in the side of the puppet masters because these independents and minor parties have been holding the balance of power.

Naturally, this preferential voting system is backed up by the total lack of any real "how to vote" information. Neither the Government nor the media attempts to provide a summary of the range of different candidates and their policies to assist voters. This could easily be seen as deliberate, i.e. keep the public ignorant of any real choice.

And of course, like in other countries, the Australian media maintains tight control over the entire political debate; limiting all discussion to the two major parties.

Andre, my thoughts exactly. We have to actively research to find out how to vote effectively and to come to anything like an informed decision. Most people are just too distracted to do this.
I have been thinking about the reasons why some people don’t vote and do agree that the whole system is engineered. By not voting you are protesting against a system that is an insult to our intelligence but is that message getting through? Most of the country would have to avoid voting to make the point.

I am more inclined to look for ways to use the system against the elite. Indi is a large electorate and we banded together to oust a long standing Liberal and vote in an Independent. This entailed a ground breaking grass roots campaign by a group of locals who facilitated political discussions in each town and dragged everyone out of their apathy. I don’t think this will change the world but it makes me feel better. I have heard that this model is being adopted elsewhere including somewhere in the US.

We still don’t know the election result and it has had a sobering effect on politicians. They seem stunned. I get the sense that a post mortem is going on that is finally driving home to politicians that they should stop treating the population like idiots, listen, and take the time to explain decisions (in more than 3 words). I know it’s not funny but it is fascinating to watch.

[TigaHawk]

Ultimately it still does not matter.

Everyone that voted for the greens did so to help the animals, no fluoride, no gmo, no fracking.

Front page news today. "Oh we changed our mind about GMO as there's not enough scientific evidence that say's its bad. so we have no need to prohibit or restrict them now ok dont worry it's safe!"

The whole "thing" about different party's having different views and wanting different things is an illusion setup to make us believe there is a choice and that all we need do if we want change is to vote differently.

If what has just happened with this election happens - the unexpected (people who's broadcasted opinions / policies to the public that are different to the two main party's but are deemed important enough to the ones behind the scenes to continue) this just happens. they have a change of mind and what was planned to happen will still happen. Actually really try to go against their will and you'll find yourself out of the politics game or if you're really troublesome you'll have a heart attack in your sleep or commit suicide.




This is turning out exactly like the Bicycles vs Automotive argument. They want you fighting each other (bike riders for their right to be on the road, car drivers for the hazards / hold ups the bike riders cause) because it will go nowhere. nothing will change. However if you were to stop and think outside the artificial box they've created for you - you'd realize that Bicycles should not be on the road as they are hazard to vehicles and they put themselves severely at risk HOWEVER there should be adequate infrastructure (bikeways) put in place on the footpaths for them to utilize. And don't be a fool and say it cant be done - it's done all the time when company's hand over money to governments to modify footpaths to suit their needs, thus it can be done for anyone else.

It's the same with politics. They want us squabbling with each other over who we vote for, the candidates and party's themselves because as long as we do this the problem is contained in an artificial box and is no threat to them whatsoever.

[Andre]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
People get really agitated when they ask who I have (or are going to) vote for and i reply with "I draw a penis on the voting form." There is no point to vote. No matter how much you or others really want to believe that you have any power or say in who will be the next people to lead this country. The people that "win the election" and are voted=in were pre-selected by the people behind the curtain long ago. You know it does not matter who gets in, what they say they will do as part of the campaigns or what ideas they bring forward. None of that matters. They do what they want and what the are instructed to do by their superiors. ... Many see donkey voting as stupidity because we are supposedly able and should be "grateful" that we have some power to help choose who will get in to run the country. My frustrations are reflected at them for actually believing they have any power or say over the situation.

TigaHawk, I sympathize with you and many others here in Australia. We know that the system is rigged in a way that ensures one of the two major parties (ALP or LNP) always get elected. So I almost totally agree with you.

However...

We are increasingly seeing voting patterns across the nation that are stripping power from the major parties and giving it to independents who hold the balance of power. This is due to people finding ways to vote differently and not those who draw penises on the ballot paper (no offense). This voting pattern makes it more difficult for the puppet masters to control the decision making of their elected puppets. And it is a pattern that is on the rise because more and more people are seeing through the lies and looking for alternatives.

And consider this for a moment ...

• What if we are playing right into the hands of those controllers by maintaining a totally defeatist attitude towards voting?
  
• What if we all started reaffirming that we have all the power, and not them?
  
• What if we decided that we need to counter the puppet masters on every front, including their rigged election system?
  
• What if millions of voters became aware of genuine alternatives outside of what the mainstream media feeds them? Flux is one example (a new party that works on a new paradigm).
  
• What if millions of voters were aware of the option to put a "1" and no additional numbers (2 - 6) above or below the line on their ballot papers***?
  
• What if millions of people sought out candidate information before voting because that information was made easily available to them by various groups?

***As far as I know your vote still counts if you don't allocate preferences. And if you don't allocate them, you don't fall into the preferential voting system which is how the puppet masters rigged the system.

I realize this is a big ask, but in some respects, all of the above is already happening and it is not due to apathy towards the rigged election system, but through participation.

[heather6thsense]

Callista this may be of interest to you. It's regarding the people's democratic right. Mr Turnbull and his wife have shares in the pharmaceutical company involved in vaccinations. Here is an interesting YouTube video that sums it up nicely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-y002aSdSI

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think a hung parliament is the best outcome at the moment. And I absolutely love the make up... We have Pauline Hanson, Nick Xenephon , Bob Katter, and Derryn Hinch... I mean... nothing it going to get through, but you can be assured they will hold the 2 major parties and even the greens to account on everything they do and say, which will be refreshing, there is going to be some excitement, instead of excrement in politics for a change.. And honestly, the reason these fringe parties have won seats is because the every day Aussie is sick to death of the bull**** from the 2 major parties. Nothing has been done and we are over our heads in debt just tp protect those who have more wealth than they know what to do with anyway!

I would rather vote for a minor party than not at all. Since I dont trust the AEC or the big parties to calculate correctly. Whether it matters or not, I voted for: http://www.renewableenergy.org.au/

[Callista]

Thank you, Heather6thsense, it is no surprise to me at all.

Unfortunately the majority of the population (in every country) do not do their research with regard to pharmaceuticals or the people representing them in government.

The situation is so bad that it is useless to vote for anyone these days because, even if their agenda is well-meaning at the start, they are corrupted over time and fall into the party line. Until the people refuse to give allegiance to the corrupt ones, we will not see any significant changes.

[apokalypse]

those Benevolent et's must have headache looking at us...non-benevolent must be happy because we are so easy manipulated and other et's don't give a crap stay away seeing us human on earth like some rats. so much drama on planet earth.