Does the Catholic Church get a bum rap

[plumr2007]

I know what most of you are thinking about hypocrites and pedophilia and you are absolutely right. But a church really is about the people in it. The nun who wrote to Bill got me thinking of my childhood and the church I grew up in. From kindergarten to eight grade I was educated by Dominican nuns. These women were sharp always warning us about the Jesuits and the assassination of John Paul 1 by the masonic cardinals in the Vatican. When I got to high school I went to a prep school in New Rochelle run by the Salesians. We had very open discussions about many things . They told us that the Church was going to make a very big thing about homosexuality . then in religion class one priest showed us a book that had all the sacraments and rites of the church and right there in the book was a Mass for same sex marriage. He told us to keep an open mind and not be bulls***ed by any one espousing the opposite opinion.
My dad was a Knight of Columbus. He was a fifth degree ( yes there is a fifth ) and also a member of a sect in the K of C called the Alhambra. They wore fezzes and were only 10,000 ever in the world. My dad was very pious but never stepped foot in a church. He would berate a man for selling X-Mas trees instead of Christmas trees but thought the church was full of it. What I'm saying I guess is that many individuals make up a church and some may be more enlightened than others. Anyway what do you all think.

[mrmalco]

I agree that the current perception, though justifiable because of the Church's faults, also misses a truth that millions are reminded of their own souls by the RC Church (and indeed perhaps all the other religions). I smile when you say the Dominican nuns warned against the Jesuits. The two orders have had a huge rivalry since ever. And one needs to recall that the Dominicans were the mainstay of the Inquisition so they don't have a clean bill of health. But who does? There seems to be no high ground left on planet earth. I still have a sneaking gratitude to the Church - somehow or other it (or at least a few good people - some of them priests) managed to convey to me a sense of the Christ of the Sermon on the Mount.

[plumr2007]

mrmalco , what you say is correct that the Dominicans were put in charge of the Albigensian Inquisition of the Cathars. The Cathars referred to themselves as "the Good Christians" you have to wonder if their secret teachings perhaps fell on their captors the way it is said that the Templars absorbed the mysterys of the Cabala. The Cathars thrived secretly, it is said, for centuries after the Inquisition and continued to spread even into Italy. My maternal grandmother taught me a prayer to ward off the evil eye that could only be taught on Christmas Eve to be effective. She said it was passed on in my family from the " heretics" which is what the Cathars were known as. The Dominicans were given the authority over the Inquisition because the Franciscans were considered too soft on the Cathars. St Augustin was a Cathar who it is rumored became Catholic to avoid torture and death. Maybe the duality of the Church today dates back to the influence of the " heretics ".

[witchy1]

Does the Catholic Church get a bum rap

People can do as much, if not more for humanity without having to be under the guise of organised religion.

They have been caught raping and pillaging, hidding secrets that belong to humanity, stealing from those who cannot afford it, giving false truths and false hopes. etc etc etc, Does one bad apple ruin the whole bunch - those that stay silent when they know what is really going on are just a guilty! They beleive they are above the law.......... I wont go on and on- IMHO They are the creators of their own demise

[Celine]

To answer the op's question.. IMHO..No..

The peoples heart is not represented by the church...

The buildings...the halls...they HOUSE the spirit of the people...

Some individuals are amazingly loving..caring...

Some individuals are amazingly cruel ...angry..

The Church is protecting criminals who have targeted the weakest in our society..


Why do some still want to protect the churches reputation?/

i say they should be BRANDED with the Scarlett letter..and face us with honest hearts.

[Richard]

Live by the sword...

[Icecold]

This is like asking the question does the SS get a bum rap?

For thousands of years the Catholic church has been involved in crimes against humanity. Genocide has been its keynote activity. It is the Roman empire.
No compromise. As is said "Know them by their fruits".

If the masses of humanity that call themselves 'catholic' were truly the spiritual beiings that they claim to be, they would in all honesty abandon that institution and leave it to rot away.
They would seek a spiritual life elsewhere in truth, yet even with the massive evidence of institutionalised evil, they remain.

If one child, just one was made to suffer, it would be enough to turn away from this evil. No, even after the entire murderous history, including the Nazis who are a part of it,
have they the members of this church, turned away. To me that speaks loudly of the nature of the hearts of its members.

No compromise, no excuses, no forgetting.

[Celine]

We should always be disposed to believe that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides.
— St. Ignatus Loyola, in Spiritual Exercises

[White Rabbit]

I believe that if you were subjected to the very negative parts of any 'organized religion' that would taint your view of any and all of them. I am all for spirituality, seeking, searching and connecting...

[Celine]

Religion is about "God"..

Spirituality is about Man..

[SKAWF]

no it doesnt get a bum rap. the whole thing is founded upon evil. nothing good comes from it, and everyone, who i've ever spoke to, who said they were a catholic, displayed the remnents of a traumatic experience.
it claims to be a spiritual organisation, but it practices widespread abuse defiling children and destroying innocence. it controls through fear and has been doing so for nearly a thousand years. during which time it's destroyed much of the mayan records, while plundering the treasures, not to mention the spanish inquisition. its an abomination.
its not widely known that if you check to see who actually owns much of america, you'll find its the virginia company or corperation (cant remember which) and that is owned by britain. if you look to see who owns britain, you'll find its the roman catholic church which is why they get away with mass Peadophilia. there was a letter from the pope to priests which said something like 'police investigations should be hindered by a wall of silence. anyone not following this rule will be excommunicated', (when i looked at the title of this thread, i thought it was a sick joke). the organisation shoud be consigned to a bleak period in our history. imo.

[Celine]

There is no heart.. in the Vatican

none..empty..cold..dead.


all i feel is power struggles..sexual tension... buried repressed thoughts..

but no heart

[SKAWF]

Does the Catholic Church get a bum rap

I know what most of you are thinking about hypocrites and pedophilia and you are absolutely right

nuff said

[Celine]

Look at them.

[Icecold]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P3HE7mWQOzU

[modwiz]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
I know what most of you are thinking about hypocrites and pedophilia and you are absolutely right. But a church really is about the people in it. The nun who wrote to Bill got me thinking of my childhood and the church I grew up in. From kindergarten to eight grade I was educated by Dominican nuns. These women were sharp always warning us about the Jesuits and the assassination of John Paul 1 by the masonic cardinals in the Vatican. When I got to high school I went to a prep school in New Rochelle run by the Salesians. We had very open discussions about many things . They told us that the Church was going to make a very big thing about homosexuality . then in religion class one priest showed us a book that had all the sacraments and rites of the church and right there in the book was a Mass for same sex marriage. He told us to keep an open mind and not be bulls***ed by any one espousing the opposite opinion.
My dad was a Knight of Columbus. He was a fifth degree ( yes there is a fifth ) and also a member of a sect in the K of C called the Alhambra. They wore fezzes and were only 10,000 ever in the world. My dad was very pious but never stepped foot in a church. He would berate a man for selling X-Mas trees instead of Christmas trees but thought the church was full of it. What I'm saying I guess is that many individuals make up a church and some may be more enlightened than others. Anyway what do you all think.

I think Catholics who are good, solid men like your father are some of the babies who get tossed out with the fetid, corpse-ridden bathwater of the Church. That is not fair and they can end up with an undeserved bum rap for certain.

Modwiz

[Chuck]

Hello plumr2007

I think the Catholic Church hasn't been rapped enough. ha! They have a lot to answer for but so does every other institution that have abused their power.

Having said that. I lived with a priest and several Brothers for 3 years while attending university. Many lofty moments were shared, sometimes over a bottle of scotch. I can tell you, there are many good people working in the church. Many were inspired to serve God and spent many years getting to know God. Some are the most giving people you'll ever meet. Yes, they have their doubts and weaknesses like everyone else.

It is the institution, upheld by power of the ego (not the almighty), that needs to be spanked.

[kevlor]

i had enough of the catholic church (born and bred), once i had a chance to read tony bushbys books (himself a catholic).

i now understand how i have been resqued from the religious clutches of all modern persuasions. free and at peace ... kev

[RedeZra]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
its not widely known that if you check to see who actually owns much of america, you'll find its the virginia company or corperation (cant remember which) and that is owned by britain. if you look to see who owns britain, you'll find its the roman catholic church which is why they get away with mass Peadophilia

Actually the Crown owns Britain

the Church of England is not Roman Catholic but Anglican and the British monarch has the constitutional title of Supreme Governor of the Church of England while the Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior bishop and principal leader of the Church of England

Already in the Act of Settlement (1701) did the english parliament decide that those who were Roman Catholic and those who married a Roman Catholic were barred from ascending the throne "for ever"


the Vatican has been infiltrated by unbelievers with the purpose to subvert and pervert it and the same has happened with the State and it's institutions


It's the same Hidden Hand that pulls the strings of the Pope and the President

[Icecold]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BBHqGHxBJRs