Split thread for various Off-Topic posts from "Our Experience With Simon As a '____________' "

[Agape]

[Mod-edit: This thread was created to gather various off-topic "contributions" (i.e. "Trolling") to other "Simon as '_________' " threads. Hervé]

The type of work necessary to rid oneself of this kind of thing once it is attached to you would be a kin to living isolated in a cave like a monk for three or four years.
I commend you Onawah for always looking for the positive in folks, for always looking for the positive in the universe.
The spiritual parasites that feed on Simon are not going to be wished away. They are going to look for a new spin on the same game he has been playing, they are going to create an itch, and Simon is going to try and find a new way to feed it. He is going to keep attempting to pull energy through the cords he has made and he will attempt to cord more.
You don't wish away reptilian abductors.

Agreed . Thanks for all of your post above DNA.

I don't think that even lonely retreat ( cave or peoples homes , aren't too different these days ) would suffice . Only advanced yogis can do that , not 'babies'.
Many people who tried something like that 'on their own' , without full knowledge and strong connection and guidance from their teachers simply went mad.

In order to get rid of any damaging ties , bad ties , spiritual or worldly, you need to build good ties first otherwise it's easy to get lost .

Perhaps some of our ancestors path was easier because they maintained life relationship with their elders and wisdom beings , out of the world as well.
So may be then , 'karma yoga' would have been sufficient.

But even thousand or more years ago and if you look to the old story of Yogi Milerapa who was famous in Tibet for his meditative achievements and severe penance he performed in order to conquer 'evil forces' he himself learned to evoke as powerful magician to revenge injustice to his family ,
to get thoroughly cleansed of all the powerful entities whom he established relationship with , it took years , almost decades of very hard work .
His guru ( Marpa the translator ) ordered him to build various types of houses for him -as a path of selfless service - to the point where Milarepa was hurt and full of sores , like a donkey .. but nothing improved , and yet he never lost faith in his teacher and his goal.
At last and after many years of hard work passed , he was initiated to meditation techniques that coupled with his strong will power could lead to success .
And then he started to have some more positive visions and outlook .. so was sent to meditate alone to remote cave and he wowed to stay there till his ultimate victory over himself and the 'demons'.

It's a long and colourful narrative ( known as Milarepae Namthar in Tibetan, the Biography of Milarepa who later became one of Tibets enlightened masters and poets of all times , known for his supreme accomplishment , total detachment from wordiness and true 'experiencer' ).

https://www.scribd.com/doc/58245984/...fe-of-Milarepa

It's an iconic story, and recommended reading for everyone at the beginning or the end of their path . Especially for those who think they're dealing with otherworldly entities , magic and are in need of discernment and spiritual protection.

The story itself is also full of ancient wisdom and authentic spiritual instruction and shows how hard it is to work out effects of 'magically accumulated karma' once they affected people around you .

More pertinently and where my own knowledge and experience confirms,
liberating strong influence of either human or non-human entities in your life
is nearly impossible without strong(er) positive and benevolent influence in your life.

There needs to be pure motivation and intent and relationship established to someone who knows more . And those people aren't always nearby or easy to find .
Ultimately , it really means embracing 'just the good' and giving up on everything that carries seeds of evil in it.

Dracos ( and similar ) are not low spirits to be 'cut from' by some form of exorcism .

It's probable that they're actually the ones performing it the best .

You'd better have to establish the tie with your 'noble human self' and such spiritual beings who are based in the highest ethics and truth .
It's easier said than done for most people .

Till then I think there'll always be some 'fight' because people do carry countless controversial influences in them and seeds of those influences
so for any spiritual practitioner, public work can happen to be a hindrance , actually .


It's also known and said repeatedly in the old sourced , authentic spiritual teachings how 'spiritual pride' effectively destroys even the fruits of 'good karma' .
'Spiritual pride' about 'being always right' and 'being useful' can be one of the most difficult to overcome .
It's the greatest deceiver as well. There are many spiritual masters who appear gentle on outside but if you confront them or catch them unprepared you see they're not 'tamed' . They're full of force and easy to provoke anger
or they have desires to grab on, of their own.

But , if your own intents or mind are impure, questioning those of the other more than often ends up in ridicule . Life is the ultimate teacher to show the effects of good and bad on your path,
not people or other-worldly beings.


Good luck

[greybeard]

im not quite sure if this belongs here but it may be helpful as an overall picture of abuse at an early age and mind control., split personality etc



Teal Swan, known to many as ‘The Spiritual Catalyst’ or the ‘Giggling Guide’ was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico on June 16th 1984. She was born with a range of extrasensory abilities including clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience and claircognizance (examples?). Despite her young age, Teal is no stranger to extreme adverse circumstances. During her childhood Teal’s parents (who were both Wilderness Rangers), accepted a job in the Wasatch-Cache National Forest of Utah, unaware of the intensely religious climate of the location. Word of Teal’s unusual abilities got out and were not only frowned upon, but were also feared by many in the local religious community. Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy.

When Teal was just six years old, the family acquaintance inducted her into a local cult, and Teal was ritualistically and sexually tortured for a period of thirteen years. Teal managed to escape from the cult when she was nineteen and began her process of recovery and transformation. Since her escape, Teal has become an internationally recognized spiritual leader and a powerful new voice in the field of metaphysics. She now travels the world as a spiritual luminary, using her abilities to remind people of the united, energetic nature of this universe and teaching people how to find bliss in the midst of even the most difficult challenges.

In 2012 Teal founded Teal Eye LLC. Along with an accompanying non-profit called Headway Foundation. The aim of both companies is to catalyze positive world change. The companies will achieve this by investing in programs, organizations and products that will revolutionize societal systems in many areas including justice, technology, education, agriculture and health care. Teal’s vision is to enable everyone on earth to live free, joyous and healthy lives and she is determined to make that vision a reality.

Book: The Sculptor in the Sky

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_3AChOcKKu8

[Agape]

There is couple of threads devoted to discussion about Teal Swan somewhere on this forum Chris. ( you know ).

I think that there's always a question of compatibility, especially among people who claim some other than purely human origin and influence to their upbringing .
The general trend of most spiritual teachings and methods seems to be one :from individuality to universality , that is 'applicable to everyone'.

But from my experience , we're nowhere that close yet - in reality, that is. More with specific origins and definitions to your-self ,
and we're all born with different level of wisdom too. So in turn ..there's limited number of people whom we can learn from and limited number of people who can benefit .

Simon is actually sought exactly for the non-human connection he has rather than for overcoming abuse . Of course that's something that may change and he will be wiser at the end of the adventure .

Principally , you may be right of course and it's all about overview and knowing the 'ladder' and steps to take 'beyond yourself' .

Hope this all serves to inspire people on their own path rather than becoming dependant on someone elses virtues

[greybeard]

Thanks Agape --I had not heard of Teal until two days ago--I was checking Buddha at the Gas Pump on u tube and saw her there.
I rarely venture out of the spiritual section apart from therapy --sharing--health type of threads
If the video helps some one great--if not it can be ignored.
Obviously im not that aware of Teal's work apart from that interview.

Chris

[Agape]

I think I've seen two or three iconic threads about Teal Swan around here that again seem to be wrapped in controversial views and experiences ...

( and probably much 'celebrity gossip' as well )

Why Teal Scott/Swan and the Whole Spiritual Movement is Dangerous! (Video)

Is Teal Swan a hoaxer?


I remember watching one or two of Teals videos long ago that had to do with child abuse and thought she's gifted and wise young lady .
But that's I think ...where no harm occurs .
With some people ( I feel ) keeping a safe distance is 'safe option'. Taking a personal step towards somebody always carries some risk ,
they may be great teacher for many people but not for you so there's always some risk of rejection . They may be busy . Or on different path .
Buddha said 'always test the truth' , 'test the method' before believing it.

So I mean, there are tested methods known for thousands of years , it's just that not many people are aware of them and some always try to benefit from rediscovering them and reselling them in new guise.

Wow. One day these times will sound so impossibly old fashioned to someone in future, all with our keyboard struggle ...

[Hervé]

This thread was created to gather various off-topic "contributions" (i.e. "Trolling") to other "Simon as '_________' " threads.

[greybeard]

Posted by Hervé (here)
This thread was created to gather various off-topic "contributions" (i.e. "Trolling") to other "Simon as '_________' " threads.

Thanks for shifting my posts Herve I did not know, as said, where to put it --I forgot about the split.
Abuse of any kind can create all kinds of mind stuff as comes across in the Teal video.

Chris

[Baby Steps]

I don't think that even lonely retreat ( cave or peoples homes , aren't too different these days ) would suffice . Only advanced yogis can do that , not 'babies'.

Now I'm scared....
Any advice for the victims?

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)
This thread was created to gather various off-topic "contributions" (i.e. "Trolling") to other "Simon as '_________' " threads.

Herve , I can appreciate that English is not your native tongue either but the way you conduct your disciplining here ( of me , to which I have responded privately yesterday ) is disrespectful to me and other members of board.

If you so insist I'm going to rise this issue openly in another thread then and expose the fact that the forum authority decided to evict me ,

by any means and shaming of all of my activity here now continues for days under various 'reasons'.


Saying so I'm also then informing all regular readers and friends who know me better than to believe i'm 'trolling'

that something conspicuous in backgrounds is readying and if they won't find me here today or tomorrow , reasons given for resting of my membership would not be explainable or true ,
from my perspective.


It's becoming personally unacceptable for me to post as almost every post is being singled out , moved or deleted .

Herve does not precisely understand the content or context of my posts, yet he insists on moderating them .

Which itself isn't the core of the trouble. Calling someone TROLL, dear Herve, Bill and others,
is rather serious and unspiritual accusation of wrong doing , and especially wrong intent .

So unless you are wishing to rise your horizon and objectives to discuss this here with me please do retract those shameful comments you've made on mine and other peoples behalf.

Your usage of internet jargon as-it-reads is not appropriate or educated tool of moderator .

I'll go further to say that you're misusing authority granted to you by presumed 'collective' against private individuals.


Lastly , I'd appreciate discussion on the topic rather than 'receiving orders'.

We are not here under your or anyones elses command.


Very sad

[Agape]

Posted by Baby Steps (here)

I don't think that even lonely retreat ( cave or peoples homes , aren't too different these days ) would suffice . Only advanced yogis can do that , not 'babies'.

Now I'm scared....
Any advice for the victims?

Baby Steps, I'm sorry but can not answer this under circumstances. The person responsible take my posts from the context where they were written ,
with full meaning, they either act under someones command or just on automatic but they are fully biased against me .

The worst terms are floating in their heads and it's becoming dangerous for me to post here.

So unless this is fixed , I'm scared too.

It's the case of not seeing trees for forest and forest for trees. Acting under level of paranoia and mind control .

It's a pity because I am well meaning being with plenty of experience and my own extensive testimony to the topic,
obviously someone in here hate me just a little bit for something hard to predict.


Thanks for patience though

[Hervé]

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]

Baby Steps, I'm sorry but can not answer this under circumstances. [...]

This is why this thread was created for... to answer to those otherwise off-topic posts with respect to that other thread.

[Agape]

Split thread for various Off-Topic posts from "Our Experience With Simon As a '____________' "

Titling , naming a thread as you did above would probably , hardly pass through for any 'regular member' , sorry Herve .
The fact that you are a moderator does not warranty curtsying from me and gives you no right to be angry .

You've singled me out as easy victim to fact that either you can not understand or/and you can not conduct yourself very well ,
or simply, authority, namely spiritual authority has been misused in couple of "Simons' threads already .

That's Bills problem , of all, maintaining authority at all and every cost and employing you to execute his opinion .


Nonetheless and what are you showing to me here is that either 'you can afford to behave whatever ways' for being moderator
or .. that you have some acute , vested interest in the matter you can not substantiate , at least not verbally.

Unlike I'm , I don't think you are evaluating the Simon Parkes topic from any sort of insiders or experiencers view point . I may be wrong though. Why would you go after me of all people who post in remains questionable.

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]

Baby Steps, I'm sorry but can not answer this under circumstances. [...]

This is why this thread was created for... to answer to those otherwise off-topic posts with respect to that other thread.

Herve, no sorry, with respect to you, I don't think that you understand the context and how this relates to Simons experience and why the discussion in his thread occurs and why it belongs there.

[Hervé]

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]
Herve , I can appreciate that English is not your native tongue either but the way you conduct your disciplining here ( of me , to which I have responded privately yesterday ) is disrespectful to me and other members of board.
[...]

Eva I strongly suggest that you spend some time meditating on the definitions and meaning of the following:

• trolling
• off-topic

This might help bring some understanding as to why some moderating actions are taken.

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]
Herve , I can appreciate that English is not your native tongue either but the way you conduct your disciplining here ( of me , to which I have responded privately yesterday ) is disrespectful to me and other members of board.
[...]

Eva I strongly suggest that you spend some time meditating on the definitions and meaning of the following:

• trolling
• off-topic

This might help bring some understanding as to why some moderating actions are taken.

Herve sorry but you repeat yourself , it's very unfitting , very untrue but something is telling me that perhaps you do misunderstand the CONTEXT of my posts ,

and struggle with the rest else the word TROLL and OFF TOPIC would not come out of your mouth/pen/keyboard here.

[Agape]

My post in the previous thread were in obvious agreement and resonance of both DNA and Onawah and perfectly to the topic.

DNAs' post

Onawah post

Do you understand the context ? If not why not thinking about it instead asking me to 'go and meditate on the meaning of 'troll' and 'off topic' ?
Do you realise how rude you are in this moment ?

Chris then contributed video about Teal Swan to which I responded shortly .

But forgive me, you're 'moderating' adult, well behaving people and what they talk about around the board , to make happy whom ?
To make threads look 'perfect' ?


Would you kindly let us breathe ? Talk like normal decent individuals who we normally are ?


Do you REALLY think I require 'minder' standing behind me when I speak, teach or just talk and that we are all 'evil' to come here or just 'ill' and uneducated individuals
whom you were assigned to 'moderate' ?

[Baby Steps]

Guys there are some awesome people here, many who have been following the Simon Saga and have diverse backgrounds and perspectives. I believe many of the people who have had problems linked to Simon are keen for input and advice from those who have deeper knowledge of these processes.

Eva/Agape , you are one of these great & deep ones, your contributions are greatly appreciated probably more than you know.

I know it might be a bit 'victim mentality' to be asking people for help & advice, but now this stuff is out in the open it would be useful to put out some help for those who are still upset by all this.

Onawah's thread was not the place for that....maybe nor here...

But still, I am sure help and advice material will be read and appreciated.

Its a very complex issue as being 'chorded' or attacked is a great opportunity for growth, so perhaps some would appreciate TOOLS...

God bless

[Agape]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
[...]
Herve , I can appreciate that English is not your native tongue either but the way you conduct your disciplining here ( of me , to which I have responded privately yesterday ) is disrespectful to me and other members of board.
[...]

Eva I strongly suggest that you spend some time meditating on the definitions and meaning of the following:

• trolling
• off-topic

This might help bring some understanding as to why some moderating actions are taken.

It's rude to tell someone who are teacher , understand the language and the topic they're commenting on bit better than you do, in this case.

Imagine this, you're a geologist I've heard . Imagine I'd come to some forum devoted to geology full of half-baked and some real experts and try to 'moderate' your opinion without understanding the subject ?

[Agape]

Split thread for various Off-Topic posts from "Our Experience With Simon As a '____________' "

Again, unless you've got it right , this is NOT a good or decent thread title .

And I'm not 'trolling' .

One more time I hear this very disgraceful rhetorics here on innocent peoples heads and terms like 'shill' flying through the air ,
not only I will be obliged to leave but can safely predict that forum organised by people on that level can not lead to any 'greater truth' at all.


For what are you showing off here Herve, I don't have to come to PA, I could go to low category pub on the street corner and allow those people to 'moderate' me ,
and I'm sure they would be excited to do such a job.

[greybeard]

I felt the situation had changed when Simon apologized and this was on of the reasons I posted the Teal video.

One line in the intro struck me "Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy."

Also that as I said abuse can really affect the mind--I was looking for possible reasons that Simon acted the way he did and then felt the need to apologise--so I felt that the video was kind of in context if only remotely so.

I dont have a challenge with my post being moved.
Neither do I have a challenge with Agapes protest.
It is as it is.

Chris