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    hmm ...

    Pope Francis' New Pedophile Priest Law Targets Bishops...Selectively

    "Pedophile priests. The new church law comes after Pope Francis defended Philippe Barbarin, the archbishop of Lyon, who faces criticism for his handling of allegations against Bernard Preynat, a priest who has been charged with sexually abusing boys. The church has been accused of often keeping pedophile priests on the payroll by moving them to different churches around the world. The new rule marks the first time the church has taken wide action to address growing concerns over sexual abuse cover ups. Watch as Margaret J. Howell and Elliot Hill break down the Catholic church’s new law on the Lip News."

    Referenced article: Pope Francis reveals new church law to deal with paedophile priests

    Published on Jun 6, 2016


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    will share this here ...

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    Catholic legislators singled out by church over bill
    giving abuse victims more time to sue



    Philadelphia’s Archbishop Charles Joseph Chaput attends a news conference. Roman Catholic legislators say they have been publicly shamed during Mass, called out in church bulletins and disinvited to parish events as the Philadelphia Archdiocese campaigns against a bill that would give victims of child sexual abuse more time to sue the church.

    I confess to you I could not be a Roman Catholic. Forget about the theology. It is the moral depravity that I can not stomach. Last week I began seeing stories that the Roman church had hired lobbyists to persuade the state legislature to vote against a bill that would allow child sexual abuse victims a longer period of time in which to file a law suit. I thought it was despicable. Using the dollars and quarters put by grandmothers and children into your collection plate to pay lawyers to defend you against your sexual abuse of children was just a bridge too far. And then I came across this.

    Kristen De Groot - National Post (Canada)/Associated Press

    PHILADELPHIA — Roman Catholic legislators say they have been publicly shamed during Mass, called out in church bulletins and disinvited to parish events as the Philadelphia Archdiocese campaigns against a bill that would give victims of child sexual abuse more time to sue the church.

    Rep. Nick Miccarelli, a Delaware County Republican, said he was shocked to learn that the weekly bulletin at his church mentioned that he had voted for the bill.

    “I’ve been to Iraq and back and there’s very little that makes my jaw drop, but seeing that in parish bulletin, my jaw hit the floor,” said Miccarelli, who served two tours in Iraq in the Army National Guard. “I was in disbelief” ... Read the rest


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    Short interview but packs a Wow.

    Clif High - The Fall of Religions & The New Chronology

    * 6 months to a year to a major crash in religions based on Fomenko's book now translated in English.
    * Things coming out which popes were killed and doubles put in place.
    * splits now showing in long receiving lines some priests/catholic personal refuse to shake pope's hand.
    * General trend to crash of all religions. The linchpin may be Fomenko's research.
    * Catholic harbors a great evil and needs to be gone, like the Banksters.
    * History has been radically changed. Christ did not live in year 0 but in 1056.
    * Pope Gregory reworked calendar and made a "new history".
    * Old rulers pushed back, renamed.
    * Now coming out since we have other documents, matched historical planetary transits compared to computerized astrological alignments shows that Christ on the cross and other events could not have happened when the church said it did.
    * Now it's coming out of Russia, teachers wanted to teach the real history called the critical thinking movement.
    * Looks through documents to see what is real and what was manufactured. Fomenko's works is a detailed analysis of new history.
    * The level of the fraud is staggering.
    * Church's history is a myth and a fabrication.
    * Egypt's pyramid's made of concrete, he goes into detail.
    * Interviewer is a Christian and is struggling to understand the implications.



    History: Fiction or Science? E-Book Series (2015) by Anatoly Fomenko (translated to English)
    -Kindle version (Book 1 - 20): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A...
    -PDF version (Book 1 - 22): https://drive.google.com/folderview?i...

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    Australia much like the U.S. has an ongoing sexual molestation of children crisis involving Catholic clergy. As a country they have addressed it more aggressively than we in the U.S. and it has come to this in one of Australia’s most prominent papers.

    I agree with the argument in this report but I doubt there will be rapid change. Older priests demand celibacy of younger ones, just as older eunuchs in Turkey supported the continuing castration of boys. “If I had to suffer it so should you.”

    Stephan A. Schwartz


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    The requirement for celibacy has no basis in scripture; no aspect of Catholic faith is at stake in its abolition. Credit: Scott Cramer


    The Catholic church must drop celibacy for its priests or lose school funding

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    The requirement for celibacy has no basis in scripture; no aspect of Catholic faith is at stake in its abolition. Credit: Scott Cramer
    This is so painfully true I can barely look at it, I think this is just cruel. I can feel myself starting to get mad about banning contraception now, so it's time to walk away!

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    During the pontiff's current trip to Poland ...

    Pope Francis visits Auschwitz

    Published on Jul 29, 2016



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    Catholic bishops ‘don’t get it’—the fundamental problem is a corrupt clerical culture

    Quote “Who is going to save our Church? Do not look to the priests. Do not look to the bishops.
    It’s up to you, the laity, to remind our priests to be priests and our bishops to be bishops.”
    - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
    "Archbishop Sheen was right, as usual. Our pastors cannot lead us out of the current crisis in the Catholic Church, because they, as a group, do not recognize the nature of the crisis. In fact, despite the abundant evidence all around us, they are not prepared to admit that there is a crisis. They do not see the problem, because they are the problem.

    The crisis is—let’s speak plainly—a crisis of clerical corruption. Our priests and especially our bishops have failed as Church leaders, because they adopted the wrong standards of leadership. They are using the wrong yardsticks to measure success and failure. And this clerical system tends to perpetuate itself: bishops train and promote priests who adopt the same skewed standards" ... Read the rest here

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    Time is up, really.
    much love
    honoring White Feather: SHIFT HAPPENED

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    The Vatican Has Paid Close To $4 Billion To Settle Child Molestation Lawsuits

    Alexa EricksonAugust 12, 2016

    The reality of child molestation by the Roman Catholic Church has surfaced time and time again, and yet, somehow, it continues to happen. If you watched the movie Spotlight, perhaps you have an idea of just how things are going down. But let’s break it down to date.

    While you can’t put a price on the innocence of a child, you can put a price on just how much the Roman Catholic Church has paid out in lawsuits over the never-ending epidemic of child molestation wreaking havoc in its ranks.

    According to Jack and Diane Ruhl of the National Catholic Reporter, who decided to research this particular topic, since 1950, the Vatican has spent a disgusting $3,994,797,060.10. That’s nearly $4 billion to keep things hush hush. That number may even be a bit conservative, as we cannot know for sure the agreed upon “under the table” amount.

    The figure is based on a three-month investigation of data, which includes a review of over 7,800 articles from LexisNexis Academic and NCR databases and information from BishopAccountability.org. Reports from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops were also used.

    If the amount of money dished out was divided evenly amongst the U.S.’s 197 dioceses, each one would get almost $20 billion. An incredible amount of cash from hard working people who support the good faith and intentions of the Church — people who are parents to little boys being sexually abused — is being used to cover up unfathomable crimes executed by priests.

    In the early nineties, a monk who worked at the Vatican opened up to The New Yorker, admitting: “You wouldn’t believe the amounts of money the church is spending to settle these priestly sexual-abuse cases.” By 1992, U.S. Catholic dioceses had given 400 million dollars to settle hundreds of molestation cases. That was a shocking chunk of change then, and that figure has only risen exponentially since. The men running the Vatican are well aware of the problem, and yet they refuse to provide justice.

    When Pope Francis addressed hundreds of bishops on the issue, he said:


    I realize how much the pain of recent years has weighed upon you, and I have supported your generous commitment to bring healing to victims — in the knowledge that in healing we too are healed — and to work to ensure that such crimes will never be repeated.

    His words of “generous commitment” only further show just how tightly knit the Church truly is — worried more about reputation than morality.

    “The people he was talking to are the people who moved the pedophiles around to prey on kids,” said John Salveson, a 59-year-old Philadelphia businessman who was abused as a child by a priest. “If you gave me 100 years to pick a word to describe the U.S. bishops’ reaction to this crisis, ‘generous’ would never make the list.”

    Terry McKiernan, who runs BishopAccountability.org, noted that Francis overlooked the fact that many dioceses around the country haven’t disclosed the names of abusers, and furthermore, continue to lobby against reforming statute of limitations laws that shield priests from prosecution for crimes from the past.

    David Clohessy, executive director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, was once optimistic that Francis would push for change in how the Church handled the scandal, but has since lost hope. “There’s nothing he could say that would be helpful, because Catholic bishops have said it all before — ‘I’m sorry, we didn’t know, we’ll do better.’ We’ve heard that for decades,” he said. “This is a pope who has refused to take steps to expose one predator or punish one enabler. . . . He could simply defrock, demote, discipline, or even clearly denounce just one complicit bishop. He refuses, not one.”

    Spanning many hundreds of years, children have suffered at the hands of child predators who remain safe in the authority and integrity of an honorable faith, yet organizations, investigators, reporters, etc. continue to raise awareness, while the Catholic Church continues their fight to block bills that would extend the statute of limitations for reporting sex abuse.

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    Is there a link please?

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    The Vatican Has Paid Close To $4 Billion To Settle Child Molestation Lawsuits

    Alexa EricksonAugust 12, 2016

    The reality of child molestation by the Roman Catholic Church has surfaced time and time again, and yet, somehow, it continues to happen. If you watched the movie Spotlight, perhaps you have an idea of just how things are going down. But let’s break it down to date.

    While you can’t put a price on the innocence of a child, you can put a price on just how much the Roman Catholic Church has paid out in lawsuits over the never-ending epidemic of child molestation wreaking havoc in its ranks.

    According to Jack and Diane Ruhl of the National Catholic Reporter, who decided to research this particular topic, since 1950, the Vatican has spent a disgusting $3,994,797,060.10. That’s nearly $4 billion to keep things hush hush. That number may even be a bit conservative, as we cannot know for sure the agreed upon “under the table” amount.

    The figure is based on a three-month investigation of data, which includes a review of over 7,800 articles from LexisNexis Academic and NCR databases and information from BishopAccountability.org. Reports from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops were also used.

    If the amount of money dished out was divided evenly amongst the U.S.’s 197 dioceses, each one would get almost $20 billion. An incredible amount of cash from hard working people who support the good faith and intentions of the Church — people who are parents to little boys being sexually abused — is being used to cover up unfathomable crimes executed by priests.

    In the early nineties, a monk who worked at the Vatican opened up to The New Yorker, admitting: “You wouldn’t believe the amounts of money the church is spending to settle these priestly sexual-abuse cases.” By 1992, U.S. Catholic dioceses had given 400 million dollars to settle hundreds of molestation cases. That was a shocking chunk of change then, and that figure has only risen exponentially since. The men running the Vatican are well aware of the problem, and yet they refuse to provide justice.

    When Pope Francis addressed hundreds of bishops on the issue, he said:


    I realize how much the pain of recent years has weighed upon you, and I have supported your generous commitment to bring healing to victims — in the knowledge that in healing we too are healed — and to work to ensure that such crimes will never be repeated.

    His words of “generous commitment” only further show just how tightly knit the Church truly is — worried more about reputation than morality.

    “The people he was talking to are the people who moved the pedophiles around to prey on kids,” said John Salveson, a 59-year-old Philadelphia businessman who was abused as a child by a priest. “If you gave me 100 years to pick a word to describe the U.S. bishops’ reaction to this crisis, ‘generous’ would never make the list.”

    Terry McKiernan, who runs BishopAccountability.org, noted that Francis overlooked the fact that many dioceses around the country haven’t disclosed the names of abusers, and furthermore, continue to lobby against reforming statute of limitations laws that shield priests from prosecution for crimes from the past.

    David Clohessy, executive director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, was once optimistic that Francis would push for change in how the Church handled the scandal, but has since lost hope. “There’s nothing he could say that would be helpful, because Catholic bishops have said it all before — ‘I’m sorry, we didn’t know, we’ll do better.’ We’ve heard that for decades,” he said. “This is a pope who has refused to take steps to expose one predator or punish one enabler. . . . He could simply defrock, demote, discipline, or even clearly denounce just one complicit bishop. He refuses, not one.”

    Spanning many hundreds of years, children have suffered at the hands of child predators who remain safe in the authority and integrity of an honorable faith, yet organizations, investigators, reporters, etc. continue to raise awareness, while the Catholic Church continues their fight to block bills that would extend the statute of limitations for reporting sex abuse.
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    Note above quoted news article linked below ...



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    Pope tells U.S. bishops crimes of sexual abuse should never be repeated

    "I know how much the pain of recent years has weighed upon you, and I have supported your generous commitment to bring healing to victims ... and to work to ensure that such crimes will never be repeated." Francis told the bishops, who applauded.

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    Kind of a Vatican fantasy/film ...

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    One tease deserves another ...

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    Malcolm X on the Kennedy Assassination

    @0:46: "I only say what the Bible says"

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    Believe it or not there is a real subtle historic difference in how the real statement was really given and intended ... While having lived during his time and really admired and respected him for his bravery ...... So it would be more honest and clear to do that here as well ... Just saying.

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