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    Default Re: Military coup in Turkey: 'coup attempt' by part of army fizzled

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    The only thing the Turkish military did wrong was quit half way through it. Now they'll suffer the consequences.

    On VT, it was said that Erdogan staged it to get rid of more opposition. That sounds believable for the madman....
    Current theory:
    CIA worked with Erdogan to fake a kemalist coup-set up to fail.
    CIA wants Erdogan to cement his position, and is helping by facilitating the removal of secularists within the state-particularly the army.
    CIA knows that there has been a huge upswing in anti us sentiment in Turkey-and Erdogan COULD have been weakened by being seen as too close to USA.
    This way Erdogan is distancing himself from the us. Or appearing to.

    Sorry but I keep thinking about Albert Pike's prediction that the third great war would be between religions-in order to destroy the IDEA of religions.
    That confrontation would be Christianity against Islam.
    It would be Europe against the Middle East.
    This 'great work' is a long one, however. There needs to be a credible Islamic enemy. That means a large territory, unified, with strong military capabilities, and Islamic leadership. There have been setbacks. Egypt went back to secular ('NO MORE BEARDS! they were chanting)
    To build this manipulated enemy, you probably need Turkey, Saudi, and Egypt.

    But how to unify them and Alienate them from Europe?

    Isis are doing the job quite well. If Kurds and Shiites extinguish Isis, brutally, this will not enrage Sunnis in these countries too much, but if Europeans start indiscriminate bombing on civilians in this area, this could anger the Clerics. We are seeing the beginning of this planned process- Terror in Europe leading to weak leaders like Hollande bombing innocents because they feel they have to respond.

    How to build the hatred in Europe? Terror again is working well.

    If my hair brained theory is right, we can expect moves to protect Isis from Kurds and Shiites, so Europeans feel forced to involve themselves more. If this plan is what is unfolding, I would say Assad is a severe impediment, unless he does a partition deal.
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    The real person that runs turkey?

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    Default Re: Military coup in Turkey: 'coup attempt' by part of army fizzled

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    Quote Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
    The only thing the Turkish military did wrong was quit half way through it. Now they'll suffer the consequences.

    On VT, it was said that Erdogan staged it to get rid of more opposition. That sounds believable for the madman....
    Current theory:
    CIA worked with Erdogan to fake a kemalist coup-set up to fail.
    CIA wants Erdogan to cement his position, and is helping by facilitating the removal of secularists within the state-particularly the army.
    CIA knows that there has been a huge upswing in anti us sentiment in Turkey-and Erdogan COULD have been weakened by being seen as too close to USA.
    This way Erdogan is distancing himself from the us. Or appearing to.

    Sorry but I keep thinking about Albert Pike's prediction that the third great war would be between religions-in order to destroy the IDEA of religions.
    That confrontation would be Christianity against Islam.
    It would be Europe against the Middle East.
    This 'great work' is a long one, however. There needs to be a credible Islamic enemy. That means a large territory, unified, with strong military capabilities, and Islamic leadership. There have been setbacks. Egypt went back to secular ('NO MORE BEARDS! they were chanting)
    To build this manipulated enemy, you probably need Turkey, Saudi, and Egypt.

    But how to unify them and Alienate them from Europe?

    Isis are doing the job quite well. If Kurds and Shiites extinguish Isis, brutally, this will not enrage Sunnis in these countries too much, but if Europeans start indiscriminate bombing on civilians in this area, this could anger the Clerics. We are seeing the beginning of this planned process- Terror in Europe leading to weak leaders like Hollande bombing innocents because they feel they have to respond.

    How to build the hatred in Europe? Terror again is working well.

    If my hair brained theory is right, we can expect moves to protect Isis from Kurds and Shiites, so Europeans feel forced to involve themselves more. If this plan is what is unfolding, I would say Assad is a severe impediment, unless he does a partition deal.
    KEMALISM AND THE SOUL OF RUSSIA

    We have recently seen some interesting mentions in Russian media regarding the call to prayer being made for the first time at Hagia Sophia, Istanbul (Constantinople)

    Why?
    A bit of context on Russia. The Rus are the core Slavic group that formed in Ukraine (ie just north of Turkey & the black sea) in the 9th century. This culture was in fact just a remainder of the vast Byzantine sphere. Prior to the fall of Constantinople, this culture extended as far as Ukraine. It regarded itself as the inheritor of ROME, Constantine would have described himself as Roman, although the strongest cultural element was GREEK, including the alphabet (Cyrillic being a derivative of Greek script). Religion was Greek Orthodox (Christian). Hagia Sophia, which now is a stunning visual icon for Western Islam, with its dome and spiky minarets, is,in fact, the pinnacle of Roman engineering, with techniques carried over from The Pantheon, which in the 4th Century was using variable density poured concrete to build vast self supporting domes for the first time. But I digress.
    The Soul of Russia is Greek orthodox Byzantine. Guardians of 'true christianity' on the borders of Islam,and to a degree - SEEING ISLAMIC TURKEY AS OCCUPIED CHRISTIAN BYZANTIUM.

    So there is the root of ongoing confrontation with Turkey.

    Now Kemalism strikes me as being one of the great leaps forward of the 20th Century. historians please correct me if I'm in error. The great turkish culture suffered comprehensive defeat and loss of empire at the end of world war 1. Kemal Ataturk, was the only general who had any success against their enemies, mainly the British. He then led turkey into a progressive SECULAR future. It was a recognition that politics and religion do not mix, and Turkey would be better off running their state without clerics.
    In practical terms it has meant that Kemalist generals have intervened to protect this secular principle with regular Coups, in order to stabilise the civilian secular leadership. They have been dominant , powerful and a stabilising influence.The danger I see is that this thinking is retreating, weakened, and due to this recent coup, many of its advocates in the army are behind bars.

    The possible result will be a continued de-secularisation of Turkey and its Government.

    The potential of this is to inflame the old,old story between Russia and Turkey. Throw in Russia 'meddling in Turkey's back yard' in Syria, and we have trouble. So the Kemalists kept a lid on this danger, but they have now been surgically removed in a false flag CIA controlled coup.

    Funny that simultaneously we are seeing destabilisation in places like Azerbaijan, where ethnic Turks have always been fighting others. The Caucasus is another Balkans. Russian dominance has kept a lid on this but for how much longer? Let's hope they come to an accommodation, but it is clear that TPTB are rubbing salt into any fissure that they can find...
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    Default Re: Military coup in Turkey: 'coup attempt' by part of army fizzled

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    Funny that simultaneously we are seeing destabilisation in places like Azerbaijan, where ethnic Turks have always been fighting others. The Caucasus is another Balkans. Russian dominance has kept a lid on this but for how much longer? Let's hope they come to an accommodation, but it is clear that TPTB are rubbing salt into any fissure that they can find...
    In the words of Lindsey Williams from his "elite" friends: "They have to tell you what they're gonna do."

    I therefore find it fascinating that so-called "hoaxes" have been unfolding under our nose for over a century:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    From the above, one may get accustomed to the idea that not much of what's happening on this planet is left to chance or to a God playing dice: It's designed, planned, financed and implemented in such a way so as to take advantage of the run-of-the-mill human nature and accordingly, appear as wise and gifted with vision whereas it's all well educated "guesses" as in Albert Pike's case:

    Quote "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

    Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion… We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.


    Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

    This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."


    Pike letter to Giuseppe Mazzini
    ... and from VT:
    [...]


    There can be little if any doubt left – the Protocols are very real; current events as they unfold are reinforcing this every day almost as we are seeing the exact agenda laid out in the Protocols play out before out very eyes.
    Protocol VII
    1. The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces – are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers.

    2. Throughout all Europe, and by means of relations with Europe, in other continents also, we must create ferments, discords and hostility. Therein we gain a double advantage. In the first place we keep in check all countries, for they will know that we have the power whenever we like to create disorders or to restore order. All these countries are accustomed to see in us an indispensable force of coercion. In the second place, by our intrigues we shall tangle up all the threads which we have stretched into the cabinets of all States by means of the political, by economic treaties, or loan obligations. In order to succeed in this we must use great cunning and penetration during negotiations and agreements, but, as regards what is called the “official language,” we shall keep to the opposite tactics and assume the mask of honesty and complacency. In this way the peoples and governments of the GOYIM, whom we have taught to look only at the outside whatever we present to their notice, will still continue to accept us as the benefactors and saviours of the human race.

    UNIVERSAL WAR
    3. We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

    4. The principal factor of success in the political is the secrecy of its undertakings: the word should not agree with the deeds of the diplomat.

    5. We must compel the governments of the GOYIM to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called “Great Power” – The press, which, with a few exceptions that may be disregarded, is already entirely in our hands.

    In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan.

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    CIA's clandestine meeting in Istanbul on coup night

    As more evidence surfaces daily, it will be evident that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was playing a huge role behind the July 15 coup attempt in Turkey

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    Henri J. Barkey, former CIA personnel and the current Director of the Middle East Program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, known as the policy maker for U.S. authority, was the second top American figure who orchestrated the coup attempt in Turkey.

    According to Istanbul Police's Intelligence, Counter Terror, Cyber Crime and Criminal Units, Barkey was holding a meeting with 17 top figures, most of them foreign nationals, at a hotel on Istanbul's Princes Island on July 15, the day of the failed coup attempt in Turkey.

    Barkey was staying in the Splendid Hotel, which was used as a British Military Headquarters during the days of occupation in 1919, between July 15 and 17.

    According to the hotel management, Barkey had held a meeting that lasted hours in a special room.

    “Barkey and his entourage had been holding a meeting 'till the morning on July 16 in a special room. They have been following the coup attempt over TV channels," the hotel personnel told police.

    They said that Barkey welcomed the attendees of the meeting, most of them either foreign policy analysists or academicians, in groups of two or three persons at the hotel entrance.

    After receiving all guests, they went into a special room and held the “secret" meeting, according to police.

    Meanwhile, Barkey also told the hotel management, “I will make a live interview with CNN International at 4 p.m. and with Voice of America at 6 p.m.," requesting them to arrange “all necessary infrastructure."

    Barkey was accused of making several telephone conversations on the coup night.

    The police units, who launched a search operation in the hotel, said Barkey was carrying an ex-model cell phone void of internet connection technology, as well as a laptop and smart phone.

    Police are investigating the “log" registrations of internet connections and computers of the hotel.

    CCTV footage of the hotel, roads and the island's piers are also being investigated.

    The coup attempt on July 15, which has been foiled by popular resistance, was organized by a group of Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETÖ) members who infiltrated the Turkey's military.

    Fetullah Gülen, the U.S.-based leader of FETÖ who has been working with the CIA for several years to design Turkey's political arena, was the mastermind of the coup attempt and Turkey demands his extradition from the U.S.

    In early statements, the U.S. repeated denied Turkey's allegations and rejected the extradition request. And now, the U.S. authority is trying to protect him by indicating to form an international commission rather going through direct legal process.

    Following the failed coup attempt, millions of Turkish nationals, regardless of their religious identity, political views and ethnic background, are standing united against the coup plotters as well as FETÖ terror group.

    All political parties voiced their solidarity with the government and urged the U.S. to extradite Gülen and support Turkey's legal process against coup plotters.

    Main squares and streets across the country are filled with people from every age and parts of the society, as they continue celebrating in the evenings the victory of Turkish democracy for the 11th day.

    But Barkey tried to cast a shadow on the victory of Turkish people, government and democracy.

    “This is a coup attempt where you have no winners. Everybody loses, including the government that survived it," he told the American National Public Radio (NPR) at 3.30 a.m. local time on July 16 from Istanbul.

    He also accused that Turkey would be enter in a more chaotic environment though the country entered into a more strong and more democratic environment.

    “But I will submit to you that this president [Erdoğan] has been weakened much more now. Even though he will probably have extra constitutional powers, he's weakened, because the face that he projected of an impregnable confident leader is now not there anymore. So he's will be looking over his shoulder all the time. He's going to be less trusting. He already was not trusting of the opposition. I suspect that relations will become much tenser in Turkey, and he will not be able to govern with consensus. Instead, he's going to be governing more and more by dictate, and that is..." he said.

    Barkey, an academic from Pennsylvania University, is widely known in Turkey with his book “Turkey's Kurdish Question," which he prepared with former CIA vice chairman, Graham Fuller.

    Fuller is also known for his unfaltering support to Gülen and his organization, for he requested the U.S. authority not to extradite Gülen to Turkey.

    Barkey has been toiling on recent developments in Turkey and the Middle East. He met PKK terror leader Abdullah Öcalan in Italy and suggested him to stay there before being arrested by Turkey's authority.

    His wife Elen Barkey has been working in a high position in the CIA for several years.


    Related:
    Turkish defense min. criticizes 'pro-coup' BBC coverage

    Turkey putschists promised a new military base to the US

    Fetullah Gülen works for CIA: Russian MP
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    The "Protocols" are a rehashing of "Dialogue in Hell Between Montesqiu and Machiavelli" and the Pike letter also a fabrication, with extra material lumped in during the 50s by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Guy_Carr.

    One explanations is provided here, http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3...eshut-webcast/ and as per comments, usually if you say this, you're a brainwashed Jew in autodefense mode. For one point, though, the terms Zionism and Fascism were not even used in Pike's lifetime.

    The "Rus" were also Swedish vikings who took over the area and had trade routes to Constantinople way back then. True, that area was the real Rome that stood until being taken over by Turks around 1450. Religion and racism being what they are...it is not too hard to predict uprisings, and there's definitely a strong play of dominance and deception working the levers. But the CIA is capable of failure. And since it comes from my country, I have to remain a fairly chronic opponent of it, and its deals with other powers such as in this case KSA/UAE as other foreign agitators, along with Gulenists for the internal rot. Of course, I can only be a critic, no one in Washington will ever represent me to "turn it off". Exposing this bloc in mainstream reporting may be one of the few accurate, useful things going on.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    The "Protocols" are a rehashing of "Dialogue in Hell Between Montesqiu and Machiavelli" and the Pike letter also a fabrication, with extra material lumped in during the 50s by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Guy_Carr.

    One explanations is provided here, http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3...eshut-webcast/ and as per comments, usually if you say this, you're a brainwashed Jew in autodefense mode. For one point, though, the terms Zionism and Fascism were not even used in Pike's lifetime.

    The "Rus" were also Swedish vikings who took over the area and had trade routes to Constantinople way back then. True, that area was the real Rome that stood until being taken over by Turks around 1450. Religion and racism being what they are...it is not too hard to predict uprisings, and there's definitely a strong play of dominance and deception working the levers. But the CIA is capable of failure. And since it comes from my country, I have to remain a fairly chronic opponent of it, and its deals with other powers such as in this case KSA/UAE as other foreign agitators, along with Gulenists for the internal rot. Of course, I can only be a critic, no one in Washington will ever represent me to "turn it off". Exposing this bloc in mainstream reporting may be one of the few accurate, useful things going on.
    Thanks.
    I have not researched the veracity of the Protocols or the Pike letter. Like the writings of David Icke, as time passes and events unfold, they gain credibility because they seem to be predicting things correctly. Hard to know though, but my key view is that wars are being manipulated in a long term, covert strategic way, the term being greater than any (normal) human's lifetime...
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    On the other hand, things like these appear in very unexpected places:

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    [...]

    A History of Skull and Bones Rituals Recalled From their Own Archives

    They practice Christianity with their lips, and Satanism by their deeds. Some of them are mind controlled into amnesia by the trauma and drugs at the initial ceremony and do not even know later that they are Satanists.

    [...]

    The CIA did find methods to make over 90% of people criminals without a discernible conscience. They started with the basic Skull and Bone’s ritual and had already made some improvements in it by the time Rodman Rockefeller tasked me to look into the issue. He was not happy with the almost 10% failure rate. Ops were run on Congressmen, CEO’s, and foreign dignitaries. Having to kill 10% of them soon after inviting them to a “DC Party” was a high security risk--- someone might notice and leak that to a part of the press which was not well controlled. So, Rodman was very anxious that the “failure rate”get below 5%.

    [...]

    Rodman brought me the historical records from the Skull and Bone’s Crypt.
    That included a blood smear on paper for each of the major rituals, and also financial records, and diaries. There was also an official registry of deaths, the names of the victims was occasionally listed as unknown. In the 1830’s, the basic Skull and Bone’s ritual was to rape/sodomize and then kill a victim with a knife, in no particular order....

    […]

    That era came to an end when one of the parents of a sacrificed boy found out about it. The other students in that year were given a choice to serve in WWI or be put in prison. They chose military service. It was a curious choice to give them as the US was not in WWI yet—in fact, no one was. It would take several more years before WWI started. The Bonesmen elders were behind schedule in getting it off the ground. Per the documents in the Rockefeller Archive much preparation had been done to ensure a world war.

    [...]
    This might give one a measure of why a cleanup task is Herculean...
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    [...]
    Thinking about it and referring to the discussions about the downing of that Russian bomber, it was made possible only with the help of heavy duty intel from US-NATO radar, satellites and AWACS surveillance and data.

    This would support the Gulen-educated "Fifth Column" element bent on forcing Erdogan's hand to quit negotiating with Russia,
    Following on the above:

    US & Saudi Arabia 'Involved in Turkey's Downing of Russian Su-24' in Syria

    World18:28 29.07.2016
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    Topic: Russian Su-24 Jet Downed Over Syria (267)


    © Sputnik/ Ramil Sitdikov

    German former CDU politician and Vice-President of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe Willy Wimmer told Sputnik Deutschland that he fears NATO involvement in the downing of Russia's Su-24 bomber over Syria last November.

    NATO was involved in last year's downing of Russia's Su-24 bomber in Syrian airspace, Willy Wimmer, former Vice-President of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), told Sputnik Deutschland on Friday. On November 24 2015 Turkish jets downed a Russian Su-24 bomber carrying out anti-terror operations in Syria. The plane's two co-pilots parachuted from the plane but one of them, Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov, was shot and killed by suspected Turkmen militants operating in Syria.

    The incident caused a major diplomatic dispute between Turkey and Russia; the former said the bomber was shot for infringing Turkish airspace, but Russia maintains the Su-24 did not enter Turkish airspace, and was carrying out an anti-Daesh mission in Syria when it was downed.

    The downing had been interpreted as a unilateral decision by Turkey, but Willy Wimmer contends that in fact, NATO and Saudi forces were involved in the incident.

    "According to my information, Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft from the US and Saudi Arabia were involved," Wimmer said.

    "Aircraft like that Russian Su-24 bomber are not that easy to just shoot out of the sky. You need to take aim, and you can only do that with AWACS aircraft."

    © Ruptly.
    Russian defense officials released the Su-24 flight data, which shows its position in Syrian airspace at the moment it was downed by Turkish F-16s

    The two AWACS planes involved in the incident took off from a US base on Cyprus, and an airbase in Saudi Arabia respectively, Wimmer said. He explained that according to NATO guidelines, if a plane is believed to be violating another country's airspace then contact should made with the appropriate flight control center to draw the pilot's attention to the error. In peacetime, the most a military aircraft is allowed to do is to force a stray aircraft to make an emergency landing.

    "What happened there does not comply with international regulations in any way. They brought the Russian plane down because they wanted to," Wimmer said.

    Wimmer believes that the motivation for enabling the otherwise inexplicable attack, was a desire on the part of Turkey's allies to spoil diplomatic relations between Turkey and Russia. "It must be assumed that if somebody breaks international rules, then political interests are at stake. This was about destroying the relations between the Turkish Republic and the Russian Federation, which were blossoming (back) then," the politician said.

    "Last year the construction of the South Stream pipeline (from Russia) through the EU was stopped because of American pressure. A few weeks later, Russia and Turkey successfully created a replacement, the Turkish Stream. Of course, that was diametrically opposed to the Americans' sanctions politics against Russia. The reaction of the Americans can be interpreted accordingly," Wimmer believes.

    Last month Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan wrote a letter of apology to Russian President Vladimir Putin about the downing of the Su-24. The Turkish President said that Turkey "never had a desire or a deliberate intention to down an aircraft belonging to Russia," and expressed his deep sympathy and condolences to the relatives of the deceased Russian pilot.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    ... which the Russians already knew at the time it happened:

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    BOMBSHELL: Ambush of Russian Bomber Was Guided by US Reconnaissance

    Alexey Leonkov (Regnum - Russian news agency) Mon, Nov 30 |


    This is what you would call 'a stab in the back' of the leader of the anti-terrorist forces



    A Russian military expert and columnist of the journal Arsenal of the Fatherland explains the details of the downing of the bomber and why not all went smoothly in an interview to the news agency Regnum

    How did it all happen?
    A U.S. Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS plane took off on 24 November from the Preveza airbase in Greece. A second E-3A of the Saudi Arabian air force took off from the Riyadh airbase. Both planes were executing a common task—determining the precise location of Russian aircraft. It is they that picked the “victim.”

    The American E-3A was supposed to determine the activity of the Su-24M2's onboard targeting radar, to determine if it was in search mode or if it had already locked on to a target and was processing launch data. It is known that the AWACS can direct the activity of aircraft in battle, conveying information to their avionics and flight computers.

    That is, to determine how defenseless was our plane?
    As it turns out, yes. As we know, the Su-24M2 was returning from its mission, and its flight computer was operating in “navigation” mode in tandem with the GLONASS [Russian GPS system.] It was returning to base and was not preparing for action. The whole time, the E-3s were transferring detailed information about the Su-24M2 to a pair of Turkish F-16CJ's. This plane [the F-16CJ] had been specifically built for Turkey. Its distinctive feature is a computer that controls a new, AN/APG-68 radar system, and which fulfills the role of a copilot-navigator.

    But this information is obviously not enough to precision-strike a small target. Was something else used?
    Indeed, the interception accuracy of the F-16CJ fighters was augmented by ground-based U.S. Patriot air defense systems, which are deployed in Turkey, or more precisely, their multirole AN/MPQ-53 radars. The Patriot can work with an E-3 or with MENTOR spy satellites, and it can't be ruled out that the satellite assets involved the Geosat space system as well.

    The flight trajectory of the F-16CJ indicates a precision interception of its target by means of triangulation: A pair of E-3s plus the Patriot's air defense radar plus the geostationary MENTOR spy satellites plus, possibly, the Geosat space system.

    Besides which, the E-3s provided guidance as to the location of our plane in the air; they determined its route, speed, and the status of its weapons control systems; and the Patriot's air defense radar together with the MENTOR spy satellite provided telemetry on the SU-24M2's movement relative to the ground surface—that is, it provided a precise prediction as to where our plane would be visible relative to the mountainous terrain.

    So it turns out that the Turkish fighters knew with absolutely certainty where to wait in ambush for our plane?
    Of course. A pair of F-16CJ's flew to the [missile] launch zone and, at a distance of 4-6 kilometers, practically point blank!, launched an AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile into the rear hemisphere of our Russian bomber. Besides which, the AN/APG-68 onboard radar of the fighter which launched the missile, was working in “target illumination” mode. That is, it turned on at the moment of launch, and turned off as soon as the missile definitively locked on to its target.

    Did our pilots have a chance to save their plane?
    No. The Su-24M2 crew's probability of escaping destruction was equal to zero…
    …Turkey does not have its own capabilities for such a detailed and very precise operation. And don't forget about the second E-3, from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The whole scenario was very fast-moving, lasting just seconds.

    Did it really happen that smoothly?
    The Turks nonetheless committed one mistake, which led to their provocation not quite working out. The F-16CJ went out on its interception two minutes late, when the Su-24M2 had already left the disputed 68-kilometer zone in the north of Syria [this may be referring to the Turk's self-styled no-fly-zone against Assad]; to leave it required at most 1.5 minutes. But the “kill” command to the F-16CJ had not been revoked; thus the missile launch was carried out a bit further than the intended point. This is confirmed by the fact that the [Turkish TV] footage of the Su-24M2's fall was planned to be filmed from both Syrian territory and Turkish territory; however, the “Syrian footage” is more detailed. It appears that this saved our navigator. He was able to go into the woods and wait for a rescue team.

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    The clockwork is well oiled:

    Saudi Zio-Wahhabi mouthpiece assails Turkey’s Erdogan

    By Ian Greenhalgh on July 29, 2016

    Saudi attack on Erdogan is a sign of a deterioration in Saudi-Turkish relations

    When a Saudi newspaper owned by the son of the king attacks Erdogan, it is a symptom of the swiftly deteriorating relationship between Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Furthermore, this deterioration is largely due to the improving relations between Turkey and Iran. This is a significant shift in Middle Easterm politics and will have significant implications, not least for Islamic State and the conflicts in Syria and Iraq.
    By M K Bhadrakumar

    The influential Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat, which belongs to Prince Faisal bin Salman (son of King Salman), Governor of Madinah, tore into Turkish President Recep Erdogan with a series of vicious attacks that brings to the fore the cracks in the politics of the Muslim Middle East following the failed coup in Turkey last Friday. On successive days, three Op-Eds have appeared, authored by two of the most authoritative establishment talkers in the Saudi media – Abdulrahman Al-Rashed (currently general manager of Al-Arabiya television and formerly editor-in-chief of the daily) and Eyad Abu Shakra (incumbent managing editor of the daily).


    Full article: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07...rkeys-erdogan/

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    What a 2-minute latency in shooting down the Russian Su-24 led to ^^^

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    Turkish Coup Fallout: Chief of Staff Fingers Gulen As Plot Leader



    Published on 29 Jul 2016

    SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=19393
    From the Turkish Armed Forces's Chief of Staff hanging the plot on Erdogan
    to the drama at Incirlik and the NBC psyops, Christoph Germann of the New
    Great Game blog is here to update us on all the latest news, views and
    reactions to this month's failed coup attempt in Turkey

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    Turkey failed coup: Who are the Gulenists?

    By Mark Lowen
    BBC Turkey correspondent

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36920535

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    Has Turkeys purge gone to far ?



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_...lines/36918043

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    Media crackdown in Turkey: 'The only solution to go out of this crisis is a peace policy'



    Published on 27 Jul 2016

    Alp Altinors, HDP deputy chairman, discuss with RT ongoing media crackdown in
    Turkey.Turkish authorities ordered the closure of more than 130 media outlets on
    Wednesday in a crackdown following July 16 failed coup: 3 news agencies, 23 radio
    stations, 16 TV channels, 45 newspapers, 15 magazines, and 29 publishers and
    distributors.Some 1,600 military personnel were also sacked in the Turkish
    government’s latest move.

    RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

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    Press TV....
    Turkey sacks 88 Foreign Ministry staff in post-coup crackdown
    Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:54PM

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07...crackdown-coup

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    Massive Anti-US Rally Staged At NATO Incirlik Air Base In Turkey

    By David on 29 July 2016 GMT

    http://www.govtslaves.info/massive-a...ase-in-turkey/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YqyNTktQqg
    #1 Incirlik Turkey protesting against supposed US link to coup attempt...
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    Turkey: Yet Another CIA Operation Uncovered by Journalists

    By Martin Berger 06.08.2016



    Non-corporate media sources have recently uncovered yet another CIA operation that shocks even experienced analysts because of Washington’s blatant confidence that its criminal actions in different regions of the world will go unnoticed and unpunished. We see yet again that in order to secure its foreign interests along with the interests of US military contractors, the White House is demanding the CIA to constantly develop new covert operations aimed at overthrowing political figures who object to Washington’s interests upon the international scene.

    One should not be surprised if tomorrow a CIA agent appears, demanding obedience to American dictates. If only the international community would rally against such malicious practices, demanding the White House and the CIA to answer for their actions in front of an international tribunal.

    According to the Turkish newspaper Yeni Safak Daily, the failed military coup in Turkey was staged by the White House. The newspaper is providing details regarding who exactly was behind the preparations of this bloody event, noting that due to rapidly deteriorating relations between the Obama administration and Turkish leader Tayyip Erdogan, Washington launched an operation to create preconditions for the toppling of the Turkish president.

    It’s noted that the massive propaganda war against Erdogan coupled with the extensive amount of pressure that was put on German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other European politicians who are heavily influenced by Washington to prevent Turkey’s accession to the EU, despite a string of encouraging promises that have been fed to Ankara for the last three decades, was but the first step. This push was followed by the demand of former US ambassadors who published a former appeal to Tayyip Erdogan in the White House mouthpiece – The Washington Post, demanding Erdogan to step down immediately.

    The new phase of confrontation between Ankara and Washington started last April, once Turkish officials threatened to ban US military personnel from using the Incirlik military base. Yet, the main reason behind the failed military coup that was prepared in much haste, was rapprochement between Ankara and Moscow that was perceived by the White House as a major threat to US domination in the Middle East.

    According to a recent journalistic investigation, US intelligence services spent over 2 billion dollars on the preparations of the failed military in Turkey. The mastermind behind the coup, we are being told, is the former commander of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, General John F. Campbell. He was behind the planning of this operation and instructing Turkish military officers at the Incirlik military base. It’s been reported that this American General acted under the direct supervision of the CIA and in close contact with the movement of the self-exiled cleric Fethullah Gülen, who resides in Pennsylvania. The 2 billion dollars that Washington decided to spent on the coup was transferred to Campbell via Nigerian bank UBA. This sum was used to bribe Turkish officers who decided to participate in the failed coup attempt.

    It’s believed that Campbell led the preparations for the operation in Turkey for eight and a half months. We are being told that the CIA established a special team with the code name of “Safari” to operate the coup plot process and rehearse all steps of the operation. According to Turkish journalists, Henri Bakrey was the CIA’s “supervisor on the spot” in Turkey, this former CIA agent now occupies the position of the Director of the Middle East program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

    It’s now known that Henri Bakrey was holding meetings in Istanbul on July 15 and 16 in the lounge of the Île de Princes Hotel. Barkey was so confident that the outcome of the CIA coup would be successful that he even demanded the administration of the hotel to assist him in making a public statement on July 16 to Western media sources like the CNN, NBC and Voice of America.

    Turkish journalists report that the military coup was not simply aimed at toppling the sitting Turkish leader and replacing him with a more convenient pro-US candidate, but to obtain an additional military base within Turkish territory to strengthen its subversive activities against Syria, Iran and Russia.

    So, it looks like it’s high time to hold the United States and the CIA accountable for the ongoing meddling in the sovereign affairs of other states, which has now led to the spread of destructive chaos and destabilisations across a number of regions.

    Martin Berger is a freelance journalist and geopolitical analyst, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”

    http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/06/tu...y-journalists/

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    F. William Engdahl: Turkey should investigate Ambassador John Bass for role in failed coup

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    The new evidence of the US participation in the coup attempt in Turkey emerged. Greek press published a photo made a day before the coup. It shows the US ambassador in Turkey John Basse together with the Turkish senior officer, who looks like one of the leaders of the coup Col. Ali Yazıcı (former military adviser to President Erdogan). They had a private meeting in Cengelkoy café the day before the coup.

    F. William Engdahl - historian, economic researcher, writer comments this:
    The US right now is on a defensive. Erdogan has openly challenged leading NATO generals. There is investigation of evidences of the US involvement in the coup. I personally have suggested investigating the person of the US Ambassador in Ankara John Bass, who was Ambassador in Republic of Georgia in 2008 and who was involved in dirty business in Iraq, and also seems to be involved in "Color revolution" in Kiev. There are very few "traditional" diplomats in a state department.
    SOTT Comment: Further reading:
    Secret Turkish intelligence source: Erdogan rebelled against NATO but won after taking control of Incirlik air force base

    The nucleus of the coup was the American Incirlik air force base in Turkey (located on the Mediterranean coast, a few hundred kilometers from the border with Syria, allows to control the Middle East. - Ed.). Chief of the base, Turkish General Bekir Ercan Van is now arrested (the base was also used for Turkish aircraft - after all the country is a member of NATO. - Ed.).

    All the main characters are from there. According to my insider information, the US Ambassador to Turkey John Bass (he had previously served in Georgia and there also conducted the anti-Russian policy) met several times with the former commander of the air force and the leader of the coup Akin Ozturk and the head of the base under the pretext of discussing relations with the Kurds in Syria and Iraq. The Turkish military - in general are mostly graduates of NATO military institutions, are pro-American. As interrogations show, the current conspirators, among whom were the top and the second echelon, received serious guarantees from the military and diplomatic leadership of the United States. They were promised asylum in the base in case of failure.

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    Hand caught in the cookie jar! Photo evidence shows US Turkish ambassador meeting with Colonel Yazici day before coup

    Katehon with J. Flores
    FortRuss Sun, 07 Aug 2016 14:29 UTC


    Ambassador John Basse together with Col. Ali Yazıcı

    Katehon think tank and geopolitical forecasting has run a short article (below) with pictures which appear to show Turkish NATO Colonel Ali Yazici and what is undoubtedly US Ambassdor to Turkey, John Basse.
    The new evidence of the US participation in the coup attempt in Turkey emerged. Greek press published a photo made a day before the coup. It shows the US ambassador in Turkey John Basse together with the Turkish senior officer, who looks like one of the leaders of the coup Col. Ali Yazici (former military adviser to President Erdogan). They had a private meeting in Cengelkoy café the day before the coup."

    The image demonstrates the US involvement in the coup and its close ties with a part of Turkish army, before the upheaval. Recall, that physical elimination of Erdogan was one of the goals of the coup attempt.

    The next move by the Turkish government will be to ask the expulsion of the American ambassador from the country which will cause further disruption to the US and trigger process of Turkey leaving the NATO.

    Ambassador John Basse - Colonel Ali Yazici

    Feigning indignation, Basse lashed out against the distribution of the photographic evidence: "I just want to say again, as I've said before and as we've said from Washington, the United States government did not plan, direct, support or have any advance knowledge of any of the illegal activities that occurred the night of July 15 and into July 16. Full stop [...], Frankly, if we would have had knowledge we would have told the Turkish government about it immediately," US ambassador John Bass said in the Turkish English-language Hurriyet Daily News.

    He went on to say that he was "deeply disturbed and offended by the accusations". Not long after the coup attempt, Labour Minister Suleyman Soylu went on the record saying that "the United States is behind the coup." Turkey's former army chief, Ilker Basbug, stated earlier this week that the CIA was also behind it.



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    Quote Frankly, if we would have had knowledge we would have told the Turkish government about it immediately,
    ... makes one wonder about the competence of their (US) intelligence service(s), doesn't it?

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    Enemy of my enemy comes to mind.....

    Putin meets Erdogan for 1st time since downing of Russian jet



    Published on 9 Aug 2016

    Turkish president Recep Tayip Ergodan is to meet with “his friend”
    Vladimir Putin on Tuesday in hopes of turning a fresh page in the
    two countries’ relations. It will be their first meeting since Turkey
    downed a Russian bomber over Syria last November

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    Turkey-Russia thaw: Russia to end sanctions on Turkey gradually


    Published on 9 Aug 2016
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    A show of unity: Can Turkey's failed coup unite the country?


    Published on 8 Aug 2016

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    Putin mends broken relations with Turkey's Erdogan
    3 hours ago

    The leaders of Russia and Turkey have patched up a damaging quarrel, pledging to
    restore close economic relations.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said Russian trade sanctions on Turkey would be
    phased out "step by step".

    "The priority is to get back to the pre-crisis level of co-operation," he told Turkish
    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in St Petersburg.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37018562

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    Turkey coup: Massive Istanbul rally hails Erdogan - BBC News



    Published on 8 Aug 2016

    Hundreds of thousands of people have gathered in Istanbul to protest against last
    month's attempted coup in Turkey.President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was joined by
    opposition leaders in addressing the crowd and similar rallies were held across the
    country.Bethany Bell reports.
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    What a difference an attempted coup makes....


    Turkey offers to carry out joint operations with Russia against ISIS



    Published on 11 Aug 2016

    Turkey has offered to carry out joint operations with Russia in the fight
    against Islamic State in Syria, just days after President Putin met with
    his Turkish counterpart Recep Erdogan, for crucial talks to mend ties
    between the two nations.



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    War in Syria: Turkey calls on Russia for joint operations
    against the Islamic State Organization



    Published on 12 Aug 2016

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    US claims no change of strategy in Syria as Turkey offers Russia to team up




    Published on 12 Aug 2016

    Turkey has offered to carry out joint military operations with Russia,
    against Islamic State terrorists in Syria.

    However, closer ties between Ankara and Moscow could put the U.S.
    in a difficult position - as Turkey is considered Washington's NATO
    and coalition ally.

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    Iran’s foreign minister visits Ankara




    Published on 12 Aug 2016

    Iran's top diplomat is expected in Ankara for talks with his Turkish counterpart as
    well as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.The visit by Mohammad Javad Zarif is the
    most significant by a foreign official to Turkey since last month's failed coup
    attempt.Al Jazeera’s Zeina Khodr reports from Ankara.
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    Western, Arab Media Confirm FNA's Last Month Report on Russian Alert to Erdogan about Turkish Coup

    Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:17


    TEHRAN (FNA)- Renowned western and Arab media outlets and journalists confirmed that Russia had warned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of an imminent coup by the army on July 15, a revelation that appeared in an FNA report last month.

    A July 20 FNA report, quoting Rai Alyoum, revealed that Turkey's President Erdogan had been alerted by Russia against an imminent army coup hours before it was initiated, and added that Erdogan asked his supporters to remain in the streets after receiving advice from Tehran.

    Several Arab media outlets, including Rai Alyoum, quoted diplomatic sources in Ankara as saying that Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known locally as the MIT, received intel from its Russian counterpart that warned of an impending coup in the Muslim state.

    Now Rai Alyoum Editor-in-Chief Abdel Bari Atwan has stepped forward and once again confirmed the report in an interview with Russia Today Arabic news network, saying, "The Russian intelligence came to find out about the coup in Turkey before anyone else and the Russian President informed his Turkish counterpart in an urgent hotline phone call."

    Asked about his sources and the reliability of his report, the renowned journalist said, "We earned this piece of news from several sources; the Russian intelligence service had managed to monitor and pick up abnormal and massive moves of the Turkish army through the Tartus base in Syria."

    He further stated that the move has caused a U-Turn in President Erdogan's foreign policy towards Russia, specially with regard to Syria.

    Meantime, Robert Fisk who heads the Middle-East desk of Independent also confirmed the report in an article on Tuesday.

    "Russia and, indeed, Iran played an intelligence role in warning Erdogan of the military coup plotted against him," Fisk wrote.

    "The Arabs have already been told by their Russian collocutors that Putin, being the old KGB boss that he was, personally sent a message to Erdogan after learning of the coup from Turkish army communications, which were picked up and listened to by Russian technicians at their air base just outside Lattakia in Syria," he added.

    "The Iranians – who would be happy to see Turkey turned against their Sunni Islamist enemies in Syria – also tipped off Erdogan about the coup, so the Arabs have been told," Fisk said.

    Fisk also presented an analysis identical with Atwan in his Independent article, saying that Turkey is now leaning towards Russia and turning its back to the former Arab and western allies.

    The FNA report last month quoted diplomatic sources in Ankara as saying that the Russian army in the region had intercepted highly sensitive army exchanges and encoded radio messages showing that the Turkish army was readying to stage a coup against the administration in Ankara.

    The exchanges included dispatch of several army choppers to President Erdogan's resort hotel to arrest or kill the president.

    The diplomats were not sure of the Russian station that had intercepted the exchanges, but said the Russian army intelligence unit deployed in Khmeimim (also called Hmeimim) in Syria's Northern province of Lattakia is reportedly equipped with state-of-the-art electronic and eavesdropping systems to gather highly sensitive information for the Russian squadrons that are on an anti-terrorism mission in Syria.

    Khmeimim in Northwestern Syria is the only Russian air force base in the war-ravaged country that provides cover for Syrian army and popular forces in multiple fronts across the country, in addition to bombing missions against terrorist targets. The Russian naval fleet, including its only aircraft carrier, are deployed along the coasts of Lattakia border province to provide logistical aid to the air base in a short time. Meantime, Russia has deployed its highly sophisticated S-400 air defense shield at Khmeimim and announced that it covers the entire Syrian skies with the same air defense system.

    Last year, Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi bomber over Syrian skies and President Erdogan who was then a staunch enemy of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad rejected extending an apology to Moscow for about a year, although economic sanctions by Russia as well as growing victories by the Syrian army, popular forces, Hezbollah fighters, Iranian advisors and Russian air force that cornered the terrorists in Syria and similar victories against ISIL in Iraq convinced the Turkish president to not just apologize for the Sukhoi incident, but also show signs of a U-turn in foreign policy, saying that he is dropping his opposition to President Assad.

    Four days after the coup, officials in Ankara announced that the two Turkish pilots who played a role in the downing of the Russian plane in November were in custody over the recent failed coup. “Two pilots who were part of the operation to down the Russian Su-24 in November 2015 are in custody,” a Turkish official told journalists on Tuesday, adding that they were detained over links to the coup bid.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin called his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan only two days after the coup, and rejected the Turkish army attempt as unacceptable.

    The diplomatic sources said the shift in Erdogan's foreign policy stated only a week before the coup has been "a major cause pushing several foreign states to provoke and promise support for the army to stage the coup, and the same shift also saved him" as it was not clear if the Russians would provide Ankara with their intel, otherwise.

    Officials of neither country rejected or confirmed the revelation about Moscow's aid to President Erdogan. In Ankara, official sources, including the Army itself, confirmed that the Turkish army’s top generals had been informed of the coup by the MIT hours before the plot came into action.

    A statement issued by the army on July 19 described the events that took place on July 15, saying a majority within the military managed to suppress the coup attempt due to information provided by the MIT some five hours before the coup plot became public, national newspaper Hurriyet reported.

    “The information given by the National Intelligence Organization on July 15, 2016, at around 4:00 p.m. was evaluated at the General Staff headquarters with the attendance of Chief of Staff General Hulusi Akar, Chief of the Army General Salih Zeki Colak and Deputy Chief of Staff General Yasar Guler."

    In order to counter the coup, high ranking officials within the Turkish army gave orders for all air and ground forces around the country to immediately cease operations including military vehicles such as tanks, planes and helicopters.

    A report by Al-Jazeera Arabic then suggested the coup plotters initiated the operation six hours ahead of time as they had previously planned to launch the coup at 3:00 a.m. local time on July 16.

    While the report did not indicate the reason for the coup being initiated ahead of time, the revelation by the military suggested the coup plotters understood their plans had been compromised and decided to act.

    Reports also suggest the coup plotters had orders to kidnap or kill President Erdogan as helicopters headed toward the hotel he was staying in at the holiday resort of Marmaris. But Erdogan had left 44 minutes before they arrived, according to Al-Jazeera’s report.

    The official statements coming out from Ankara were in full compliance with the Arab media reports quoting the diplomatic sources on the Russian intel.

    Only four days after the coup, Erdogan appeared on the media saying that he planned to declare a crucial turn in foreign policy that would "end differences with Turkey's neighboring states".

    Less than a day later, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov announced that President Erdogan would visit Russia early in August to meet with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. The visit took place this week and contained romantic words from the Turkish president towards his Russian counterpart that he called in several interviews as "my friend Vladimir".

    Meantime, Iran rushed to condemn the Turkish army coup only two hours after it started. Several top security and foreign policy officials in Tehran were in constant contact with President Erdogan and his cabinet ministers all throughout Friday.

    As July 15 was coming to an end in Tehran, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif was on the phone with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu, whose government was under the threat of being overthrown by a military coup. Meanwhile, Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council (SNSC), was on another line with security officials in Ankara. All the while, Qassem Soleimani, the commander of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps’ Quds Force, Iran’s regional military arm, was busy pursuing and reviewing various scenarios that might emerge.

    “It’s not a secret anymore,” an Iranian official told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity. “Zarif, Shamkhani and Soleimani were executing higher orders. The whole establishment was too concerned. Turkey is a neighboring state. President Erdogan and his government are strong partners of Iran. Our nations enjoy strong brotherly ties, so it’s the least we can do to show solidarity and try to offer any help they might need in such critical times.”

    "Another Iranian official saw parallels between the successful coup against Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 and this year's coup attempt in Turkey," Al-Monitor said in a report a few days after the coup.

    The official told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, “What we know is that this move was triggered by foreign hands. We went through the same in the past, and because Mr. Erdogan is today looking forward to playing a better role in the region, they want him down.” The Iranian official said, “There was a message that was conveyed to Turkish security officials: Don’t leave the streets. This coup might be made up of several waves; it happened in Iran in 1953. When the first coup failed, they had another one ready — and they succeeded.”

    In Ankara, the government claimed the coup and the generals behind it are loyal followers of US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen, who was once Erdogan’s key ally before a major fallout in 2012. Many believe that Gulen is the main cause of why Ankara officials have repeatedly accused the US of masterminding the plot.

    Gulen is running a multi-billion dollar enterprise in Saudi Arabia and has grown into a serious bone of contention in Ankara-Riyadh ties. Saudi Arabia reserved condemnation of the coup in a suspicious move. Later, reports surfaced the media that the top brass in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi - two strong allies of the US with unbreakably intimate ties with each other in the Persian Gulf - were involved in the coup.

    Saudi whistle-blower Mujtahid, who is believed to be a member of or have a well-connected source in the royal family, disclosed that senior government officials in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi had been informed of the coup in Turkey long before it took place.

    Mujtahid wrote on his twitter page on Monday that the UAE leaders had played a role in the coup and the Turkish spy agencies have come to decode this involvement, adding that the UAE leaders had also alerted the Saudis about the impending coup.

    "Saudi Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister Mohammad bin Salman had been informed of the military coup in Turkey," Mujtahid wrote on his twitter page on Monday.

    "There are reasons to prove that given his intimate relations with Mohammad bin Zayed bin Sultan Al-Nahyan (the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces), Mohammad bin Salman had been filled with information about this coup," he added.

    According to Mujtahid, Turkish intelligence agencies had received information about some negative collaboration between bin Salman and bin Zayed, but the Saudis managed to convince the Justice and Development party to rest assured and be optimistic about Riyadh's actions.

    He revealed that bin Salman has been trying to convince the Turks to conceal the UAE's role in the coup and has promised a large amount of cash in retribution.

    "The coup in Turkey is now growing into a major regional confrontation over Turkey's shift in its Syria policy now. If confirmed, the Russian and Iranian aid to Erdogan would mean the power balance and equations in the region ought to be redefined," the FNA report on July 20 concluded.

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    Quote Frankly, if we would have had knowledge we would have told the Turkish government about it immediately,
    ... makes one wonder about the competence of their (US) intelligence service(s), doesn't it?
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