Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

At the moment, the "Charles" dialogue is the most compelling and interesting on the forum - with the most thoughtful questions and measured response. He reminds me of a traveler from a place that I haven't been. I question him about what he has seen and experienced. What I do with the information is up to me. Since we achieve mastery by practice - others can only give us guidance or perhaps suggest a tool. If people don't want to listen, they don't have to. Acting in an arrogant and disrespectful way doesn't really "prove" anything. To those people reading for information, it can be tiresome. Namaste.

[OneLittleFrog]

Posted by sepia (here)
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Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

How can someone say so much with so few words? thank you sepia...

Posted by bluestflame (here)
I believe what we are now experiencing , and many are drawing attention to , in thier own way , is commonly referred to, as a "period of adjustment "

Feels more like a "period of Assimilation," as in, "Resistance is futile, you WILL be Assimilated!" (don't we have a trekkie smilie?)


Aldous, you're missing the point -- obviously there's no avoiding the Charles issue, the question is, are all of the threads only for the messianic faithful, or are Doubting Thomases allowed to post our concerns too? (If we promise to stay civil? )

Agape, my heart goes out to you. I send you and Barry my love. I'm sure MANY others here feel the same.

Upanatom - at your "Mission Accomplished" statement.



Edit: thanks ahamkara for making my point so perfectly. If we 'Doubting Thomases' don't fall into line with the worshipful, we're arrogant, disrespectful, and tiresome...... thanks.......

[DeBron]

All things new are exciting. He is as important as we all are. If it weren't on this forum this would be somewhere else. No better place than this to discern what is sincere and what is mischievous.

[unplugged]

Posted by Innerbliss (here)
Is it just me or is Charles quite vague in most of his answers??

Utterly so. One could say Charles elevates vagueness into an edifice of frothy air.

[LM-R]

The problem is people will be people (so we shouldn't judge on that)
Bandwagons come and go that's life.
Charles may have SOME answers, but not one person i believe has them all, It's just to big.
When someone has answers people will naturally ask questions.

What you do with the answers is far more important.

[applecrusher1992]

No matter what happens we are going to need to help ourselves and that is the most important thing we all can remember. Take the information as it is even though Charles admits that some of his information is not 100% accurate. If we are looking to become a force to help those gain knowledge about the truth of the world we must challenge ourselves. The best way to challenge us is to bring division. What does not break makes us stronger so even if we still have division that only adds to our strength if we stay unified. I actually like the fact that not everyone agrees because than we would become like those who live in ignorance around us. I am trying to keep an open mind and at the same time realize that he is not the Messiah to save us and is human like the rest of us.

[jeannacav]

I am in agreement with most of the posts here.
And,
I would like to add that what I find distressing is that people are asking Charles questions that they should be asking a spiritual adept!!
He was a hit man, for crying out loud!
Now, I know it is very possible for someone to change, and it is possible that Charles has changed, but even so, he is not someone who has a lot of experience with the higher spiritual parts of himself. That just takes more than 6 months. (yeah, time.)

I am seriously concerned that there is a hidden agenda in all this. The idea that this is an interview is not a comforting thought.
I have not even looked in today, so all my comments are based on posts up to last night server upgrade.

thank you all,

jeanna

[Star Gazer]

What gives me pause with regards to the Charles Material is the amount of faith required. I think it may be taking our focus away from more important issues. What might we miss while we are enamored with this novel information?

[ASIA]

Posted by Aldous (here)
Its kind of funny; your concerns are about the Forum becoming centered around Charles, so you go and start a thread about Charles? Makes sense to me . If you don't trust the guy then just keep this saying in mind "Keep your friends close and your enemy's even closer". Either way your gaining perspective so I don't really see the problem.

Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be delated ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

[kcw_one]

It seems to be all part of the low-end drama to me. If this Charles fella is who he says he is, and if he does indeed work for the folks he says he does, he is still way down the food chain. These so called "masters" are a segment of the humans who have been decieved into believing that they have some measure of power, IMO. They themselves serve a purpose for their master, who could be any ET or inter-dimensional race. To me, all of this focus on Charlie's stories are yet another distraction. There is so much going on beyond these power-plays and manipulations and mind control dramas. In my opinion, these MASTERS or whatnot are serving their purpose marvelously,, namely to make this earth feel like a crappy place to be that everyone wants to escape from. It'll make loading up those "rescue" ships a cinch, with multitude of willing applicants.

If this kind of thing is your path, then I guess have at 'er and dig right in. If not, then I echo what others have said: LOOK WITHIN.

[Brandie]

I guess I have to make some posts in order to be able to do other things here at some point... So here is my humble opinion on this subject:

Charles is fascinating, no doubt. He is in his own way offering what he feels he can offer in the way of a view the rest of us might never have otherwise had. I have been as they call it a "lurker" lol for a while, and have followed both Camelot and Avalon for four years without feeling the way I have in viewing what Charles has said. I have been VERY VERY thrilled by many of the various interviews they have done. Love the stuff!

However, that said, I for some reason feel as if I just "get" The unusual nature of the Charles presentation. I no way have any claim to know what he is saying is or is not true at present, but I do understand the way in which he is communicating with others here. It is "a way" in which many are apparently not accustomed to, but it is just his way of communicating information. If a person disagrees with Charles it appears to me they are welcome to do so, so long as their "way" is to do so respectfully. Emotionally charged topic for many people, yes, granted... But perhaps trying to get past the difference in communication styles and methods to the core of what he may be offering you will allow clarity to ring though when you are reading his answers so that you are able to reach a clear understanding of what it is he is actually sharing with you. Then if you think it is not true, or something is not making sense try to understand more fully why you think so and state it respectfully.

With respect any alternative information provided by anyone is controversial~ ESPECIALLY when it is something new to you which indicates the opportunity to learn just that~ something NEW. I like listening to new ideas and information even when I consider it and find I do not agree with it personally... I am always VERY thankful to have had the opportunity to have a new point of view to consider!

With respect to the "personality cult" mentality... it happened to the Beatles and all they did to spark it was make good music!

Charles is not responsible for how others choose to allow themselves to respond to information he is providing. Whatever plan he may have; I, for one, am extremely pleased to have the OPPORTUNITY (because that is exactly what it is, and may or may not be here for us to lean from for long) to hear what he has to say and learn from it. If I find I do not agree that will be o.k. too. Each is responsible for themselves. If any take an 'unbalanced' approach the responsibility for that person's choice of approach is not on Charles' shoulders. The cautious approach; in seeming overprotective of him, by Bill is a good idea considering the potential weight and value of the material Charles is sharing with him. This is no less than huge no matter what the "agenda" could be, and I think Bill is doing an excellent job in keeping a bit of a buffer zone. If what this man says is true, it must be understood how big of a deal it is that this man is even willing to communicate with everyone, because he certainly does not have to. Self serving or not... let's listen to him. That does not mean you have to bow down to him. Just treat him as you would wish to be treated... with at least a semi- open mind I presume. ?

If the way I share my thoughts offends, it is not intended that way. It is just they way they reasoning goes on in my mind, and how I am able to communicate it as clearly as possible. Everyone has something of value to share, so let's all learn. I know I still have lot's of that to do myself!

Here's to keepin' it short ey! LOL.

Nice to meet you all! Good day!

[Moemers]

Charles is probably just a higher dimensional projection of the answer to all our questions and recent cries for help.

He's done nothing but bring more people into Avalon and make people question and get together to discuss.

Kinda like a 21st century Burning Bush. Not the end all itself, but a sure fire sign post.

[Sowelu]

Theres a few reasons i feel he's for real on this and I haven't seen or read all of his stuff to its entirety yet, but i have seen enough of the details floating around here to get a general synopsis

1) he doesnt want all the xtra attention, hes not promoting meeting up and paying him large amounts of money
2) This isn't his own website, most self proclaimed "gurus" would not look for an already established community, nor would they seek out knowledgable people, it's be so much easier to go to your closest christian church and claim to be the "matreiya" as many already have, and have them "donate" to your cause to get your words out there (like the raelian cult)
3) He's not asking us to do anything except keep on searching, if he was an attention seeker he would be out and about spilling every little detail possible, and using his followers in any way possible.
He's being very strategic about what he says and doesn't say as one who's restricted might do.

again just my opinion, but if you look back at any cult they always wanted something in return, sex, money, or material things. I might also add he knew exactly where to look. a regular loony wouldn've known about a place like avalon, they'd be parading around in a yahoo chat room or on facebook, something accessable and easy to find.

[Anchor]

Posted by jeannacav (here)
I am in agreement with most of the posts here.
And,
I would like to add that what I find distressing is that people are asking Charles questions that they should be asking a spiritual adept!!
He was a hit man, for crying out loud!
Now, I know it is very possible for someone to change, and it is possible that Charles has changed, but even so, he is not someone who has a lot of experience with the higher spiritual parts of himself. That just takes more than 6 months. (yeah, time.)

I am seriously concerned that there is a hidden agenda in all this. The idea that this is an interview is not a comforting thought.

Jeanna, I hear that, your concern will resonate with many.

People will ask questions until they get answers.

I don't think anyone said Charles was a "hit-man" as such (not bullet in the back of the head style anyway), he is a manipulator who fixes problems through what I suppose could be called social engineering. Many comments have been made that this still could be what is going on, on this forum - personally I think what has happened on the forum so far is typical and normal - lots of people. To soon to tell.

I think things like what is happening on the forum now goes in waves. Back on PA1 around the time of the election - there was a time when the forum was nothing but "pro" or "against" Obama. It passed. As will this - it is not sustainable. Either Charles finally starts putting together some information that makes a good story and satisfies the masses- or it passes the way of most internet meme spikes. In the mean time, there is plenty else of interest on this forum. I have some questions in the pot for Charles too when he gets around to it. In my case I think he is the real deal - but what does this change? I await further information. I am more interested in if there are structured and tangible steps to approaching harmony in the world, than whether or not sharks can have "frikking lasers" on their heads !

I just accept that there is a wide diversity now of reader on this forum. Its not the old clique it used to be - it is a new one!

I did (and still do) have my concerns for the forum - but especially heightened at the beginning of this scenario. I think the way Bill is handling it so far (in so far as what I know and have seen in public) has been exceptional. I still see this situation as great opportunity to turn into something significant.

Finally, I made my views on Internet Cults very clear in a well received thread on the old Project Avalon 1 forum [ http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20609 ] I was going to copy it onto this forum, but I am worried that it would be interpreted as an accusation against Charles. If you read the thread there some of you could be forgiven for thinking I was somekind of freaking fortune teller at the moment. You will note that many of the follow-up comments were from people who are now either moderators or administrators of the extant Project Avalon - and so I am assured that the team knows what it is about. Whilst there are a lot of similarities to my model of cult evolution - we are not deep into what I would call stage 3.

John..

[modwiz]

Posted by mrmalco (here)
The answers are giving us Charles's profile. The questions are giving him this site's members' profile. My first thought has been that Bill has sat in front of Charles and seen something for himself of the man. So I'm trying to be patient. What it has shown IMO is that one main fuel of this site is curiosity and a longing for vicarious sensation. But there's a lot else. A lot of positive and compassionate emotion. And loads of humour. I've been wondering what the reaction will be when Charles simply isn't here any more. Will we return to our ever lengthening listings of all the evidence for something coming upon the world that we (and those on numerous other such sites) can never quite agree upon and never quite discern? Mumble, mumble ... he wanders away musing to himself.

Hopefully when he leaves, things will never be the same as they were or he will have been nothing but entertainment and an enrollment booster. He is disturbing us, as one disturbs the sediment in clear water. If we remain unchanged it will be time to gaze deeply into the mirror. That way any finger pointing will be aimed in the right direction.

[modwiz]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

Hello. I am from the Bronx also. 1953-1983. We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar. I don't know about you but getting to ask him questions seems a very good way to examine him more closely. This fishbowl called Avalon is exposing to all within its' parameters and we all get to see and be seen. Yes there are unidentified eyes, in which case it is wise to present what you want seen. It is our own fingers on the keyboard and only lack of self control exhibits more then one desires. Feinting is well know to our boxing friend and even an opponents awareness of it avails them little comfort......They have to figure out what is real and what is not, before it hits them.
Lastly, be mindful of the web you weave at least as much as the one you enter.

Modwiz

[skyflower]

I've been watching, reading quietly. No one can know for sure whether Charles is for "real" or not.
I think it is too early to make that call. So I watch this drama unfold.
People are asking a lot of questions, and I think that is good.

I see that Charles is not here to hand us an answer.
Hand out a box, and everyone gets a box.

Inspire, and you get all shapes and colors.

We've all been there. The moment the light hit us. I remember my "teacher" telling me all sorts of information to no avail. Now that I look back, it must've been quite frustrating.
It was only when I came up with my own solution, discovered by my own eyes, colored by my own mind, that the light finally hit.
The teacher patiently just nudged me along.

Haven't you all at some point tried to share what you know to your family and friends?
I did at the beginning. I soon learned to keep my mouth shut. But I also don't hold back to those who ask me the correct questions.
The questions one asks, shows the level of truth one is ready for.

When Charles is being vague, that is an answer. When he says no, that is also an answer. This whole thing is a big puzzle, and a picture will soon emerge.
Until then, hold back your final judgment, be courteous, have fun, and above all, be inspired.

What the worst that can happen? that he is not the "real" thing, and that we've all been taken for a ride. But in that ride, we've been forced to think outside the box.
thinking outside the box has always been a catalyst to something good.

Let your instinct (inner person, higher self) be your guide.

Peace to you all~

[Hughe]

Posted by ASIA (here)
Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be delated ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

Yeap. Charles' threads turn weird. It seems he becomes a teacher in grade twelve school.

Bill is a wise man. I think probably Charles is an authentic individual whose life experience is extraordinary. It might attracts more eyes. Honestly it all comes down one's perspective at any given moment. The 33s are just a fly on back of the elephant considering the time scale of human race on Earth since the beginning. It's based on my knowledge anyway of human history.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Sentience (here)
Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line.

I doubt that is an accurate statement of the reason for asking whomever it was to leave.

[bluestflame]

it's more about disruptive elemement i rekon