Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread)

[Callista]

Posted by onawah (here)
Again, that's one session, one recording and there may have been mitigating circumstances.
It may have been someone or ones who was setting up a clever trap for Simon, with Bill as the secondary target and tool for getting lots of public exposure.
And why would a few accounts of bad accounts have more weight than good accounts if all of them can be falsified?
I think I am just going to drop out of this thread. I'm tired of the same old arguments and of repeating myself.
The only thing I can do to offer anything new is to start a new thread with information from people who have had positive experiences in sessions with Simon who are willing to come forward, which I will do in that event.

Isnt this a libellous comment?

I want it on record that when I read this comment I couldnt believe my eyes. Its no wonder people dont want to come forward as whistleblowers when this sort of abuse is levelled at them.

I am relieved, Natalie, that you are not going to post anymore on this thread - perhaps we can get back to topic AGAIN!!!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by onawah (here)

It may have been someone or ones who was setting up a clever trap for Simon, with Bill as the secondary target and tool for getting lots of public exposure.

Natalie, exactly which Avalon member or members are you accusing of this?

Please answer, and be very clear indeed.

[onawah]

No one specifically, Bill.
I was speaking in general terms, since traps, libels, setups and attacks of all kinds, even murder are things that whistleblowers have to deal with routinely, so I think they need to be given the benefit of the doubt.
As I have stated before, I am not qualified to discuss this situation in detail, and I don't claim to be now.
In general terms, as one member stated, there would be no Avalon without whistleblowers, so I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

[onawah]

It makes it difficult for me to leave this thread when people continue to post comments here addressed to me.
The arguments that I've grown tired of are the ones that are arguing points that I've made and that others have made who see that may be more than just one side to this issue.
There were two separate points that I was addressing when I wrote: "Again, that's one session, one recording and there may have been mitigating circumstances. "
and
"It may have been someone or ones who was setting up a clever trap for Simon, with Bill as the secondary target and tool for getting lots of public exposure."
The first comment was in reference to the one recording that Bill had heard.
The second was in reference to the total complaints that have come through Avalon about Simon's one on one sessions.
I am not pointing a finger at anyone.
I am just saying that we don't know if there has been some plot behind the scenes that some of those individuals have been engaged in to discredit Simon, because they might like to silence him as a whistleblower.
Which is the other side to this issue, but which is not unrelated.
Now if everyone who disagrees with me who would like to see me stop posting on this thread will please stop addressing their comments here to me, then I will be happy to leave this thread.

Posted by Bibi (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Again, that's one session, one recording and there may have been mitigating circumstances.
It may have been someone or ones who was setting up a clever trap for Simon, with Bill ll as the secondary target and tool for getting lots of public exposure.
And why would a few accounts of bad accounts have more weight than good accounts if all of them can be falsified?
I think I am just going to drop out of this thread. I'm tired of the same old arguments and of repeating myself.
The only thing I can do to offer anything new is to start a new thread with information from people who have had positive experiences in sessions with Simon who are willing to come forward, which I will do in that event.

Onawah, I am delighted that you are tired of the same old arguments. That's kind of hilarious, because it appears that you initiated most of them! I really don't understand your motivation for staying here in the first place. I thought the topic of this thread was for those of us who have had questionable experiences with Simon. That it was intended as a meeting place to come, be safe, feel safe, and also to feel a deep sense of worthiness and empowerment with like-minded others. Instead there have been a lot of spinning wheels with way too many words and 'he said-she said' hard balls being slung across the aisle from both sides. I want to take this opportunity to thank Callista for questioning your comment that accuses people like me of setting a trap for Simon.

To everyone reading this, and to Bill and the Moderators: I appreciate that I am pushing the boundaries of appropriateness; however, I couldn't sit here and take it anymore.

I am moving on now.
~ Bibi

[Agape]

The Dragon and the Wizard. This is photo of original oil painting from one of my dharma brothers who happened to be also , ET contactee.

He painted many beautiful but strange landscapes among else.

Simon reminds me of the story .

If you know the question you know the answer

Is the dragon also wizard ? Is the Wizard also Lizard ?

Does the Drake have a Break ?

Break the Draco to long long sleep ? The least you weep ..


Beware of Wizard of Oz programming .

[RunningDeer]

Posted by onawah (here)
Now if everyone who disagrees with me who would like to see me stop posting on this thread will please stop addressing their comments here to me, then I will be happy to leave this thread.

Dear Natalie,

My heart goes out to you. Leave the thread because it’s time to leave. I for one don’t feel you are under any obligation to continue whether others are in agreement with you or not. Nor do you have to data collect or run another thread. If it’s for your own curiosity then go for it, but if you are doing it for Simon or to protect others from Simon, there’s enough information here for anyone to make up their mind one way or another.

As mentioned to you elsewhere, I’ve not participated on this thread but followed along. I’m extending a hand to come play with me. I’m right over here, the one with the two, triple-scoop, melting ice cream cones.

Your sister and friend,
Paula

P.S. This is the one and only post. Fingers crossed that there's no return post to me (oops, redundant) cuz the ice cream is really, really melting.

[onawah]

Here's the new thread I've just started:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...65#post1079465
...entitled Positive Experiences with Simon Parkes as a Deprogrammer

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by onawah (here)
Now if everyone who disagrees with me who would like to see me stop posting on this thread will please stop addressing their comments here to me, then I will be happy to leave this thread.

Suggestion to onawah:

If you see further posts on this thread that you find it necessary to respond to, perhaps you could post on this thread a simple "Please see my reply over at ..." with a link to your response posted on another thread.

Eventually, your choice of when and where to post, except as overridden by the moderators, is a choice you must make. What someone else posts does not absolve you of the responsibility for your choice of whether, where or how to respond.

A compulsion to get the last word in, or to continue to respond to questions or correct the errors of others, until such questions and errors cease, can lead to harming the forum and important threads on the forum. Eventually, if a member cannot apply discipline to themselves, the moderators must do so instead.

One cannot keep blaming others for one's own choices. Saying "Well, they asked, so I had to respond." is not always a valid excuse.

[Innocent Warrior]

@Simon Parkes

Will you please consider expanding on your responses from this thread.

In your first post you began by expressing your disappointment from not being able to meet with Alberto and Daniela (A&D). You reported ongoing technical difficulties and explained what happened regarding the most recent incident. Correct me if I’m wrong but I took your response as an acknowledgement of the difficulties that A&D had reported, with a positive attitude towards them, given you were so disappointed and wrote that you would be in contact to meet up with them.

In your second post you gave your reason for withdrawing from assisting A&D, the reason being, "the rudeness that I was subjected to”. Could you please clarify what exactly you were referring to here in your second post? Were you referring to incidents previously discussed or were you referring to an incident that occurred some time between when you wrote your first and second post?

As your response stands now, without any further clarification, the second post contradicts what you wrote in your first post.

I enjoyed the interviews I watched of you, your experiences seemed fanciful but you came across as kind of vulnerable and earnest to me. As a seeker of information of this nature, due to personal reasons important to me, I hope you can understand my disappointment in reading your largely evasive and vague responses.

[onawah]

I'm not sure that Simon is reading this thread, so it might be more effective if you PM him. His profile page is here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?14232-Simon

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
@Simon Parkes

Will you please consider expanding on your responses from this thread.

In your first post you began by expressing your disappointment from not being able to meet with Alberto and Daniela (A&D). You reported ongoing technical difficulties and explained what happened regarding the most recent incident. Correct me if I’m wrong but I took your response as an acknowledgement of the difficulties that A&D had reported, with a positive attitude towards them, given you were so disappointed and wrote that you would be in contact to meet up with them.

In your second post you gave your reason for withdrawing from assisting A&D, the reason being, "the rudeness that I was subjected to”. Could you please clarify what exactly you were referring to here in your second post? Were you referring to incidents previously discussed or were you referring to an incident that occurred some time between when you wrote your first and second post?

As your response stands now, without any further clarification, the second post contradicts what you wrote in your first post.

I enjoyed the interviews I watched of you, your experiences seemed fanciful but you came across as kind of vulnerable and earnest to me. As a seeker of information of this nature, due to personal reasons important to me, I hope you can understand my disappointment in reading your largely evasive and vague responses.

[Hervé]

Here is an excerpt from an e-mail received from an Avalon guest reader:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
.
Here's another message that was e-mailed to the Avalon Mods overnight. (very slightly edited for clarity)

Dear Mr Ryan...
[...]
It appears that plagiarism is another dishonest tactic employed by Simon and though a much less serious crime than sexual abuse, I think it should be known that this is something else that Simon is not above doing. It casts doubt on the validity of much of what he says about his ET experiences.

I noticed one of your forum members, RunningDeer, I think her name is, told of how Simon had plagiarised some of her stuff. I felt it prudent to point yourself and the forum members in the direction of a writer / researcher who has written several books on the subject of ufos, who is claiming the same thing of Simon Parkes.

If you type in google Nigel Mortimer and Simon Parkes, Mr Mortimer tells quite an enlightening tale about his dealings with Simon and how he plagiarised his work.
[...]

[Chester]

A likely example of "pure fabrication" which (if it is) is another part of his "story" meant to achieve a false representation of who he is.

Consider the talk given at the "Lifting the Veil" conference on June 22, 2013.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AL1xS5ZsjOw

Just check out a three minute segment of this talk starting at 12:09.


at 13:20 Simon says the following -

“Earlier this year I had an invitation to join [the Illuminati]. And you will be surprised as I was surprised that it had an application form and my question was, why would a secret society have an application form and they said, “well in your case we think it’s very important that we know what we’re saying and you know what you’re saying.” I don’t let this form out of my sight. I brought it with me today and during break if you wish to have a look at this, I am more than happy to let you look at it, I won't allow any photographs of it.”

OK so Simon says a prominent politician invited him to join this secret order.

It just so happens that this order has been around for decades and has had an online presence for at least 7 years (at least 4 years prior to event in Leeds on June 22, 2013).

The application Simon had was most likely this very application found at this link right here -

http://theorderofthehiddenmasters.com/application.php

Nothing secret about this "order."

Easy to print the application right off the internet.

Ohhh and note that anyone that wishes to join this order must submit the completed application... Simon represents in his statement - "in your [his] case" as if he is a special exception.

[message to the vulnerable - "Don't doubt how important it is for the Illuminati to have me join their ranks."]


and there's more...

The following two quotes finish at just after 15:00.

..."and so the question is, why was I invited to join the non-satanic arm of the Illuminati."

[message to the vulnerable - "could it be because "they" understand who I am (Son of Anu, special emissary for the Mantids and Draco ) and how important I am with regards to the future of the world?"]


"I wouldn't accept the Satanic arm because I am diametrically opposed to that and I didn't accept this one either."

[message to the vulnerable - "don't worry folks, I have rejected the dark side. This is an example of one rejection (among many). You can be assured of your safety with me."]


To all "researchers" - please, when a fraud is exposed...

STOP THE INTERVIEWS.

When reports to the extent that has been received by many in this community demonstrate the quite likely degree of danger to the vulnerable of this community...

STOP THE INTERVIEWS.

[AutumnW]

An application form to join the Illuminati? It reminds me of the time the royal family invited me to spend the weekend at Buckinham palace. Oh, that Liz! I told her over finger sandwiches (real fingers, btw,) that I would have none of it. It doesn't matter how vital I am to the future of humanity, I refuse to have high tea with a bunch of lizards! The royal family is going to have to change their ways before I stoop to be in their company! LOL

Perhaps Steven Greer and Parkes can go on the road together, and duke it out, metaphorically speaking. The cheering of the crowds, the hosannas to new saviours. Who will win the mental mud wrestling?

[Shadowself]

I'm going to be very frank and throw my two cents in.

since when did "Aliens" have the need to have sex to procreate? Since when did they feel the need to use a six year old child to do this?

A Labour councillor who claimed on a Channel 4 documentary that he had fathered a child with an alien today said he was six years-old when he had his first extra-terrestrial sexual experience.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/l...-first-1964321

They don't. Even we mere humans can procreate without the use of sex as a tool for creating a life. Be it hybrid or not.

Let's get real here for a moment and think this through. Is it possible that Simon was a victim of child abuse and his mind at such an early age invented this as a possible defense mechanism? Was it suggested to him in such a way to hide the truth?

Among child abuse victims this is all too common among the victims to invent a possible scene to deny the reality of what is actually happened.

That being said, this had been my thoughts all along. Claims he has made suggest this very much. Child like drawings that are quite convincing that something of this nature did in fact have some basis.

Asked whether the aliens had been concerned about their sexual partner’s young age, the now 52-year-old replied: “No because, it’s about experience and your soul.”

That tells you somebody has deliberately used the sexual abuse as an "experience and related it to his soul".

Really? Abuse is abuse and child abuse is the worst thing out there in my book! Yet here he writes it off as an experience for the soul?

Again I caution the reader here to understand that to equate sex and have an alien baby is NOT necessary. It's abuse. Plain and simple.

Washing this away as something it's not is quite cunning and those who ignore it should take heed. This is not the rambling of a man who is somehow become conspirituality enlightened....he's most likely been abuse as a child and developed this persona in the offing.

So ANY ...and I do mean ANY counseling from this man should be cautioned....and Bill has at least taken the stance that this should be noted as not common practice among those who have clearly experienced abductions and other such anomalous adventures. A warning to those who are subject to and have little outlet to seek advise and end up at Simon's doorstep for such.

Kerry this is not about seeking a hero or savior figure for some much needed help... and you should know better than to suggest this. It's about caution seeking any and all advise from one who is obviously repeating the "cycle of sexual abuse" which is common among abuse victims. Period.

At least Bill has stood up and recognized this behavior and made it for public review. This is not a witch hunt...this is far more important to those who might seek Simon's advise in the future...in any and all respects.

The end.

[AutumnW]

Shadow self,

It appears to me that Parkes has created a mythology where he is never responsible for anything. When his body of work is examined more sceptically, the manipulated will still offer him a form of escape by feeling sympathy for 'what really happened.' He is an abusive, manipulative individual who cobbled together one heck of a whopper using the work of others.

Many people have been abused and, as a result, have a more finely tuned moral compass. I would take this one step farther. Perhaps some of his clients have suffered abuse in childhood and end up being counselled by Simon, who proceeds to abuse them more.

People who are highly manipulative are not always driven by fear or reactive aggression. Aggression, in and of itself can exist without fear lying beneath it. Most people have varying degrees of neurosis, which is a fear driven state of mind. They project that on to anybody who is immoral, lying, arrogant and covertly aggressive. They feel if the person's needs are addressed, their fear will subside and they will see the error of their ways. And of course, they are basing that on the way THEY are.

Conman understand this. They don't take advantage of people who are stupid. They take advantage of people who are kind.

[Agape]

I think it was Kerry Cassidy who remarked somewhere in the other thread ( you all know where to read ) something on the address of Indian yogis and how sexuality and sexual healing are important to todays society ( etc. )

There are of course perfectly , two kinds of Indian yogis , the real yogis and the 'corrupted masters' .
In fact, real yogis are seldom obvious and seldom teach a lot : as a rule of thumb , they do the PRACTICE . That's how they become masters at the long end .

'Corrupted masters' of any origin managed to sell lots of teachings in exchange for 'better life over the seas' , better living standards , they managed to write books that sell and fill stadiums with 'faithers' ,
more so also , they reinvented the meaning of spirituality, yoga and tantra/mantra/yantra so that these fitted to the minds of 'worldly people'.

Because it's 'worldly people' who have money, after all.

'Worldly' in this case does not mean 'secular' . It means people who did not purify their attachment , their desires, their greed , their anger and ignorance but on the top of everything they have , they also want to be 'masters of yoga' and life .

Getting to the point soon .

The real yoga masters and teachings speak about the Kundalini and the sexual force with greatest respect , they're not exactly 'one and the same thing' but they're in loop, closely intertwined .
The 'smaller snake' sleeps in the lap of the 'anaconda' . Under normal circumstances , you don't wake up the 'anaconda' easily but while doing some purificatory exercises and deep meditation or receive an initiation from guru or a deity
this can happen to you anytime .

And the masters always warned from 'playing with the fire' .

What happens if you do and wake up the 'anaconda' and here you're , with your 'reptilians' and 'mantids' and other animal examples who are not the ETs
but form of naturalised , living force in you that's powerful enough to bring new life to being ,
if you wake up the force by subtle means and don't feed it and can't control it , it starts consuming you .

I wonder if you have heard of David Duchovny who played Fox Mulder in the famous X-files ..
interestingly enough , he spent few laters later battling 'sex addiction' and alcoholism and in rehabs. I know, it's probably 'more common' in Hollywood and probably he had plenty of other reasons and of the two main protagonists of the X-files he states off camera he does not really believe we're visited .

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...llian-anderson


The connection between some ET encounters and presumed hyper sexualisation of some abductees/contactee individuals may really and mostly nothing to do with 'real sexual experience' ,
as Shadow Self also remarked , above . The connection really is through stress and imagination but biological stress , first of all.

Some children or even adults when confronted with 'alien reality' pee themselves , others turn mad and commit violent acts and it's quite physiological that too many extraordinary psychic experiences provoke 'the force' .

Human society as we know it , East or West is already over sexualised .

I don't think that Simon was particularly well informed and educated on the topic, practically before he made those public proclamations and exposed himself because he would not made them otherwise.
He might feel 'safe and innocent' at that moment but see how dearly this was payed .


Even if he has embellished bits now and then I know of the core of his ET Contact testimony to be genuine . He just does not understand it very well I believe .

For anyone who are not 'ET contactee' , you don't know what he's talking about . You don't know what I'm talking about. You are most occupied with the human part and how well he does as 'whistleblower' because that's what makes sense to you.

The part where we've experienced ET contact , unfortunately does not .

You're searching for explanations that fits you the best and at the end would call the mental health services too ( to the equation ) because you have not seen what he saw or I saw.

Many of you have psychic and spiritual experiences and some of you presume it's one and the same thing .
No, it isn't .

The difference is subtle but fundamental.

Yes , there are people who have spiritual experiences and can relate to ET contact and vice versa but it's not the rule .
Plenty of people are mistaking one for the other .

It is not one and the same thing .

Plums and Apples so to say .

To this day , there are very few 'proofs on plate' where ET contact goes and very few good therapists and researchers .
You don't have to be or call yourself 'UFO researcher' or 'abduction therapist' to be 'good in it' . In fact, you may also call yourself any of it and be pretty bad and misguide people .

When ET contact happens to an individual it's completely unique to everybody I know of . People often do keep it to themselves for lifetime, not to get ridiculed just because we can't prove it .

When it's a big or complicated contact event it requires utmost sensitivity and discretion in approach.
;Going public' is probably the worst thing that can happen to you .

I kept silent for years after what has happened and what I saw.

Even just opening mouth and facing the criticism that is known to exist, the prejudice hanging in the air at all times is no way easy .

And once you start the next thing is they let you to explain the gist and then try to attack your points , everyday, all the time , they put you to doubt and force you to defend yourself ,
everyday of your life .

It's not the ET contact that is so damaging , it's the response of human society to it .




I don't think that anyone of us here or anywhere else have a 'good recipe' how to deal with this so far .
Some of you simply 'don't know what are you talking about' when ET contact is mentioned .


Well, if you're hungry .. have me for lunch

[misbis]

Thank you so much,Kerry, for your worthy opinion.
I wander if you can write your point about the coming economical collapse, Simon was speaking about at Malta conference.
I have heart a lot of this rumors for collapse, many years now. George Green,I remember, spoke at first and other experts on some of Camelot conferences
5-6 years ago. If I take it serious what Simon say, I have to empty my savings from the bank and keep it at home ???? because this collapse can happen any time soon.
I have been very active to update my self with the global awakening process, listened carefully about aliens,black projects and coming transformation.
I already feel stupid, because following the advises from competent speakers, I moved in a house in the nature, 6 years ago, and waited for this transformation to happen. This was the strongly recommended from different experts in human awakening, that being in the nature can help the transformation to the 5th dimension.
I can not allowed my self to be more stupid and empty my bank accounts.
Please, write something about this topic,what you think.
Thanks
Sara

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think it very revealing, considering all the inside information that whistle blowers may have access to, that there is so little discussed about mitigating the discomfort the control freaks have planned for our future. It is almost like the stories are designed to create fear (dark side empowerment) instead of empowering humanity.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by misbis (here)
Thank you so much,Kerry, for your worthy opinion.
I wander if you can write your point about the coming economical collapse ...

Please, write something about this topic,what you think.
Thanks
Sara

That would be off topic for this thread.

If you use the "Advanced Search" option, somewhere on the right hand side near the top of this page, and search for threads started by Paul with the word "gold", then you can find some of my comments on the coming collapse.

[misbis]

Thanks. I saw a lot,a lot of useful information.I don't understand of money system so this information is little bit too advanced to me.. Again- with simple words- what exactly to do with the money in the account?

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
Thank you so much,Kerry, for your worthy opinion.
I wander if you can write your point about the coming economical collapse ...

Please, write something about this topic,what you think.
Thanks
Sara

That would be off topic for this thread.

If you use the "Advanced Search" option, somewhere on the right hand side near the top of this page, and search for threads started by Paul with the word "gold", then you can find some of my comments on the coming collapse.