A documentary more powerful than Loose Change ... blows the lid off the Inside Job!

[Fred259]

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QUOTE=EYES WIDE OPEN;108787]I forgot to post a link to the site at the bottom of my post. I was at work and had little time to make posts. It was an honest mistake. So therefore I must be a disinfo agent somehow in cahoots with the radio presenter? I resent this attack. I dont belive that the jet flew over the petnagon or a hologramme was used. That is my opinon and I posted it. because I disagreed, you decided to call me disinfo. Nice.

[/QUOTE]


No Not at all, we are happy to debate and discuss.

BUT

1) If you tell lies you will be caught.
2) If you publish forged documents you will be exposed.


FORGED DOC - “Plausibility of 9/11 Aircraft Attacks Generated by GPS-Guided Autopilot Systems"


THIS IS WHY ITS FORGEDThis is the paper produced by engineers and scientist in the US Canada and the UK around 25 years ago relating to the proposed introduction of GPS for commercial aircraft.

What Aiden Monaghan has done is taken the original document and forged the story and is insinuating that the implementation of GPS 25 years ago may have had something to do with 9/11.

In this document they even add a drawing of the WTC with the 243 FORGED airways that they have created. Airways are NOT 243 ft wide, they are 48,000 feet wide, for goodness sake!

He then puts his name on the document Aiden Monaghan BSc and to those who don’t understand about all this technology it looks convincing.

If you are distributing or facilitating the spread of these FORGED documents then you are part of the problem.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Zook (here)
Afternoon EWO,

Then there's the stooge apprenticeship of Chris Sarns which can be exposed here: http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2502

Michael Wolsey and 911blogger.com: The Anatomy Of A Stooge and a Stage:
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2875

That WTCdemolition site. That guy that wrote that blog, Adam Syed (aka kameelyun on various forums), also came out as a Holocauset revisionist on the kevin barret show.
He also wrote this review on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1VME5U...cm_cr_rdp_perm

If you value and trust the opion of this type of person, you are welcome to it. I want nothing to do with it however. Im outta here!

[Fred259]

OK, Eyes Wide Open


I do a deal with you.


Remove the post 149 with the Forged documents and we call it quits.


The problem is you have posted so much of this rubbish that I don’t have the time going through it, but I give you this its highly entertaining.


Zook can speak for himself, but I guess he would feel the same way.


Stop posting forged documents on Project Avalon.


If on the other hand you don’t know they are forged then you do now, and you will of course want to remove the documents at once......... won’t you………

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

[QUOTE=Fred259;108922]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Here is your Post and here is the Link.

Resistance Radio Post

http://www.resistradio.com/forum/4-s...9ic-jan-20#165

This is you - Eyes Wide Open 19th January 2011 13.19GMT Post No #149You wrote this -


I recommend people in this thread listen to this. Its on Thursday. Or you can get an mp3 straight after...

On this week's "9/11 In Context" show, which airs Thursday, January 20, at 3pm ET, I will interview researcher Aidan Monaghan, who has investigated the 9/11 flights in great detail with important results. Aidan has also filed a wide range of FOIA requests from government agencies and filed lawsuits seeking information related to the 9/11 attacks. Today's discussion will focus on Aidan's impressive research into the autopilot technology available for 757s and 767s at the time of the attacks, contradictory black box information provided by government agencies, and other unusual circumstances related to the flights.

You said I posted a link to this document: http://www.aerospaceweb.org (post 215)

This is clear to anyone to reads the posts. Go back and read the exchange.

To clarify for you: One of your points was about the areospace link which for the 3rd time I NEVER POSTED. How many times do I need to say it?
Your second, AND SEPERATE point was about the radio show which was a seperare issue which i also made clear. (213)
Seriously, its all in the posts. You are getting yourself worked up about nothing and making yourself look silly. Calm down and re-read the posts. But whatever, as I knew would happen, this has become very pointless and will not help anyone. I am outta here!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
OK, Eyes Wide Open


I do a deal with you.


Remove the post 149 with the Forged documents and we call it quits.


The problem is you have posted so much of this rubbish that I don’t have the time going through it, but I give you this its highly entertaining.


Zook can speak for himself, but I guess he would feel the same way.


Stop posting forged documents on Project Avalon.


If on the other hand you don’t know they are forged then you do now, and you will of course want to remove the documents at once......... won’t you………

Stop trying to tell me what to do and think. You keep doing it. I will remove nothing. If they are forged, so what? I should not have to remove them. People will read this thread and decide for themselves. Dont try and censor me. Like I said, this really is my last post here.

[Fred259]

www.aerospaceweb.org this is a 9/11 scam disinformation site. If you want aeroplane pictures for the children’s bedroom click here. If not move on!

Jeff Scott.

This is the man who tells you “Aircraft Ground Effect” is inconsequential (his words)


That being the case why are Boeing spending millions mitigating ground effect.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qI7rv3f3SXg


Jeff Scott – This is the man who calls himself an "Aerospace Engineer" and makes ludicrous comments, copies Boeing and Rolls Royce classroom training notes and text books and then changes the text. Ha, what an abomination.


It’s highly probable that Jeff Scott doesn’t exist and as such these qualifications are bogus.


Biography: Jeff Scott is an aerospace engineer specializing in aerodynamic analysis and conceptual design. His primary expertise is applying aerodynamic prediction software and trajectory simulations to flight test programs and flight clearance efforts. Among the projects Jeff has supported during his career are airframe design, flight testing, guidance and control software, modeling & simulation, system engineering, performance predictions, wind tunnel tests, high-speed propulsion research, and aviation safety. Jeff is the chief editor of Aerospaceweb.org.

Selected Memberships:
Academy of Model Aeronautics; American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics; International Test and Evaluation Association; National Association of Rocketry; Sigma Gamma Tau Aerospace Engineering Honor Society; Society of Automotive Engineers

Selected Honors & Awards:
Achievement Award for Aerodynamics and Modeling & Simulation, 2009; Certificate of Appreciation for Expertise in Aeromechanics, 2009; NASA Team Achievement Award for Wind Tunnel Advancement, 2008; Team Leadership Award for Trajectory Prediction, 2006; Team Leadership Award for Engineering Investigation 2005; Teammate Appreciation Award for Flight Test Support, 2005; Team Award for Excellence in Acquisition, 2005; Achievement Award for Aerodynamic Analysis, 2004; Engineer & Scientist Development Award, 2002, 2003, 2004; Letter of Appreciation for Flight Test Support, 2003; Leadership Award, 1998; NASA Scholar, 1997

Selected Publications:
Scott, J. Advanced Wind Tunnel Test Methods for a Rolling Airframe, Air Vehicle Engineering Conference, July 2009; Scott, J. Flight Test Results and Simulation Methods for Analysis of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, UAV/UCAV Subsystems Symposium, August 2004; Scott, J. Application of Simulations to Investigating Flight Test Anomalies, Aircraft & UAV Engineering Conference, May 2004; Scott, J., Wind Tunnel Test Results to Validate Analytical Predictions of Protuberance Drag, November 2003.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=EYES WIDE OPEN;108963]Stop trying to tell me what to do and think. You keep doing it. I will remove nothing.

If they are forged, so what? I should not have to remove them.

Precisely - you care not about 9/11, all you look for are websites to peddle your lies disinformation, and forged documents.


The problem is we know your style, and have you covered 24/7 when we go to bed, Teakai in Australia is on the watch. When Teakai goes to bed, we are on the watch.

24/7 Northern Hemisphere / Southern Hemisphere / All points in between / Always on the watch.

In Greek mythology the God Janus had 4 eyes. Two in front, and two behind, it could see in every direction !

Project Avalon is about truth and civility, not lies, disinformation and forged documents !!.

[Fred259]

Zook……………..I’m bored now would it be possible to move on..

Ahhh I know, why don’t we discuss the 4th aircraft, you know

Shanksville Pennsylvania.!




I jest

[Zook]

Good Morning Good Avalon,

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
That WTCdemolition site. That guy that wrote that blog, Adam Syed (aka kameelyun on various forums), also came out as a Holocauset revisionist on the kevin barret show.
He also wrote this review on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1VME5U...cm_cr_rdp_perm
If you value and trust the opion of this type of person, you are welcome to it. I want nothing to do with it however. Im outta here!

*MOD hat off*

I value intellectual honesty. I value the truth. I don't believe in political correctness! If you want to debate the Holocaust that's a thread in itself. (Btw, a revisit of the Holocaust is required, and precisely because the original number that the Zionists ... (not Jews - but Zionists - the Nazi-templated Rothschild movement minions) ... have promoted as being genocided - 6 million Jews - is falsifiable and demonstrably incorrect. Never mind the controversial theories of the nonexistence of gas chambers. Two Auschwitz plaques analyzed without prejudice reveal that the number of Jews that were genocided in the Holocaust could not have been more than a little over 3 million (IIRC)! I was stunned when I did the math myself! And the new number that I calculated only involved the reduction of deaths at Auschwitz as evidenced by the delta in the two memorial plaques. The 3 million plus number is a numerical maximum and may even be further reduced with a full investigation of the other death camps.

http://www.rense.com/general85/what.htm

What is clear is this ... anyone who wields Holocaust Revisionism as a political shibboleth , either in the duty of fearmongering or in the duty of attacking truthseekers ... is only interested in obstructing the truth. They show contempt for the truth. Heed ye ... the truth will out! If Holocaust Revisionism is all that you can offer about Adam Syed, than that's a credit to the man for being pit bullish about the truth! Equally, it's a discredit to you.



ps: I no longer wonder why you would not trust the type of person that Adam Syed is ... he is a truthseeker. That is something you clearly have no interest in, as evidenced by both your shibboleth hurling wrt Holocaust and by your endorsement of disinformation stooges and websites wrt 9/11/2001.

ps2: You do great dishonor and disservice to the many Jews that did indeed die and/or were indeed murdered in the concentration camps during the Nazi eugenicist reign of terror. For they would want to be properly accounted, e.g. there is dignity in the qualitative and quantitative truths about their deaths. They would certainly not want the truth(s) about their deaths to be reduced to an imaginary number and/or promoted in the duty of of a false Jewish movement; indeed, a nonJewish bankster movement promoted by the founders of Zionism: the Rothschild banksters.

*MOD hat on*

ps3: Have a pleasant day and life, EWO. Perhaps one day you will come at the truth with greater respect than you are doing now.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Zook, your intimation that I am direspecting Jewish people is very upsetting to me. Its one step away from calling me racist.
I have reported this thread to a non-junior mod as I feel my words are being twisted and I am being unfairly treated and all manner of unjustified and false insinuations are being aimed at me and my reputation is being damaged as a result. This includes the comment from fred that between you, you "have me covered". Can a senior mod step in please.

[Zook]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Stop trying to tell me what to do and think. You keep doing it. I will remove nothing. If they are forged, so what? I should not have to remove them. People will read this thread and decide for themselves. Dont try and censor me. Like I said, this really is my last post here.

Unbelievable!

A poster presents apparently false information; is called to explain this apparency and refuses to do so; is essentially called out; and to this he says "So what?" Help me out, folks ... but what standard of proof does EWO carry around with him? A surgical standard? Or the caveman club standard?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Look, zook, they may well be forged, but even if they are and I am wrong, the evidence should be left for all to see so they can make up their own minds.

[Zook]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Zook, your intimation that I am direspecting Jewish people is very upsetting to me. Its one step away from calling me racist.
I have reported this thread to a non-junior mod as I feel my words are being twisted and I am being unfaily treated and all manner of unjustified and false insuniations are being aimed at me and my reputation is being damaged as a result. Can a senior mod step in please.

You brought up Holocaust Revisionism into this 9/11/2001 thread! You will have to answer for it. Period.

Avalon's about integrity. If it is to stand up to the test of integrity; it can't stand by and see your type of character assassinations (of Craig Ranke, Adam Syed, or those who want to know the facts about the Holocaust, etc.) go unrebutted.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Zook (here)
You brought up Holocaust Revisionism into this 9/11/2001 thread! You will have to answer for it. Period.

No. I pointed out that the writer of the blog that is being used in the defence is a holocust revisionist and has written an article on it.
He said that about himself.
That is not the same as you saying I disrespt the Jewish people. I have a problem with that.
I didnt make an unfounded alligation. If you can find an article I wrote about the holocaust denial or revisionism, then fair enough, you maybe have a right to insinuate that I am disrespcting Jews but I havent written one and so therfore you dont have that right. I have been here since the forum started and am one of its oldest members. Look at my old posts from this and the old forum. You will see I am none of the things you are calling me.
But whatever, Goodbye avalon. You got your way.

[Zook]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
No. I pointed out that the writer of the blog that is being used in the defence is a holocust revisionist and has written an article on it.
He said that about himself.
That is not the same as you saying I disrespt the Jewish people. I have a problem with that.
I didnt make an unfounded alligation. If you can find an article I wrote about the holocaust denial or revisionism, then fair enough, you maybe have a right to insinuate that I am disrespcting Jews but I havent written one and so therfore you dont have that right. I have been here since the forum started and am one of its oldest members. Look at my old posts from this and the old forum. You will see I am none of the things you are calling me.
But whatever, Goodbye avalon. You got your way.

Sorry. A shibboleth is a political bullet. It's not being neutral to associate someone with Holocaust Revisionism. It's not being scholarly to associate someone with Holocaust Revisionism. It is what it is ... an attempt to pander to the emotions of those who see any message - even the slightest - of Holocaust Denial or Holocaust Revisionism as a reason to discredit the messenger. You know it. I know it. Good Avalon knows it.

It's incredible that you would bring that kind of attempted smear into this specific debate about the CIT Pentagon investigation video. Only, it becomes credible in light of your choice of websites in your weak attempt to argue that a jetliner impacted teh Pentagon and/or discredit Craig Ranke and the rest of the CIT team. You assail the truth ... you will be assailed by the truth.

[Fred259]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Look, zook, they may well be forged, but even if they are and I am wrong, the evidence should be left for all to see so they can make up their own minds.

This is ridiculous Eyes Wide Open.

Your comments are ludicrous, these are documents prepared by the FAA in the US and the CAA in the UK.

Its grossly irresponsible to come out with, frankly stupid comments like “ the evidence should be left for all to see” I agree with the principal BUT “FORGED” documents are, and never will be “EVIDENCE”.

If as you say you agree “they may well be forged” then on the balance of probability you do have don’t you, a responsibility to other members and in particular other visitors thought-out the world, who may visit Project Avalon to remove them forthwith.

If you do not, you are if I may say so bringing the forum into disrepute.

That is precisely what you did with John Lear, a man who Bill & Kerry have enjoy a good relationship with over many years.

I would give good money to listen to John Lear talk, and it would be wonderful to read his comments and views on the forum, but you p***** him off, and now everyone has lost the benefit of his wisdom.

I say again, Project Avalon is about truth and civility, not lies, disinformation and forged documents !!.

I can hear Kerry’s voice in my head… Get a Grip.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Well done zook, you keep dragging me back. Its not a smear. A smear would be something unfounded.
I just thought it was important to point out that this person had endorsed a book on holocaust revisionism.
Something I persoanly regard as very questionable.
I am not trying to discredit anybody. IN MY OPINION, they have done that already themselves by writing such an endoresment. But thats my opinon.

Like you said, this is about truth. And its true that this review was written by somebody whom is being used as a witness in the defence as it were. I thought others might be intersted or bothered by this as well. But then again, they may not. Its up to them what they believe.
By not posting it, I would have been not tel;ling the truth and self censoring. Its the same with the forged documents. If it is forged, let people see it so they know and recognise it next time they come across it on the web. Deleating it is pointless. This thread might even show up in google seach results, and as a result people will be able to see your arguments. Its just logical.

My main point in all this is that pentagon flyovers and hologrammes will not help with a new investigation. There are better avenues.

Its clear we are on totally different pages here. I dont have much else to say Im afraid.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
This is ridiculous Eyes Wide Open.

If you do not, you are if I may say so bringing the forum into disrepute.

That is precisely what you did with John Lear, a man who Bill & Kerry have enjoy a good relationship with over many years.

Did you read the thread? I dont think you could have.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863

[norman]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

.......pentagon flyovers and hologrammes will not help with a new investigation. There are better avenues.

A new investigation that is too shy to look at flyovers and holograms isn't a new investigation worth putting hope into.

Polititions are like weather cocks. They always point the way the wind blows. Our job is to face the right direction and blow the wind.

[Fred259]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Did you read the thread? I dont think you could have.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863

No I didn’t read the thread it’s broken unfortunately, but I do remember while doing some manual work one weekend I listened to his interview for over 10 hours and will do so again.

It doesn’t matter what he said on the thread the point is he does with respect have far greater knowledge than you or I on many things, and should he fall short John will have a multitude of contacts who can and do contribute to Project Avalon.

What was the forum topic?