Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[modwiz]

Posted by Fructedor (here)
I thought the Bronx was the **** YOU state - has my TV been lying?

Yeah the Bronx is heavy on the **** you. Big time. Sentences begin and end in ****. Good call. The Bronx is whatever they want it to be. or else............**** YOU! LOL

[DawgBone]

Is this becoming the all Charles forum?

I don't see this happening. Charles and his information, if genuine, are truly unique. The forum is responding with curiosity and respect. I don't see any bended knees here.

Avalonians, in general, are bright, knowledgable, independently thinking people. That's what makes this an interesting place.

and

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." (Nothing personal, Charles)

[modwiz]

Posted by DawgBone (here)
Is this becoming the all Charles forum?

I don't see this happening. Charles and his information, if genuine, are truly unique. The forum is responding with curiosity and respect. I don't see any bended knees here.

Avalonians, in general, are bright, knowledgable, independently thinking people. That's what makes this an interesting place.

and

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." (Nothing personal, Charles)

I think he needs a new title an acronym like hwmnbn which stands for "he who must not be named". Got the idea from Scott the mod.

[Nela]

Charles is here as a representative of our NOBLE ADVERSARY and regardless of what he and those behind him state as a reason for this communication, they are here so that we can learn.
We have asked for certain knowledge, and we have been served. That does not have anything to do with their intent, this is a Law of Free Will at works. Whenever level of awareness increase, the level of illusion drops. As that happen, they ("dark side") are obliged to provide information- to put it out in to the open, so that those who seek can find it. It does not have anything to do with their willingnes to do so, they are operating under the laws as the rest of the creation. Apart from the information pertaining to 3D world events (less important), for those who have eyes to see, they are providing more valuable information on the following:
- Our imprisonment is best described in the words of Don Huan in one of Castaneda books- they managed to enslave us by "giving us their mind". Thanks to communication with Charles we can see how easy we get caught up in the "mind" and "logic" of the dark- just check responses to the subject of "overpopulation" problem- many people just jumped on thinking how we can decrease population. The only difference is that we would not do that by "killing people", but we would impose restriction to their rights to determine for themselves how many children they would have!!!! So, in DARK AGENDA, we do not have a problem with the AGENDA, we would only make it less DARK. This is not a different way of thinking, this is only a different shade of darkness. This is "mind" versus "heart": reverence for our own life and life of all beings in this world and other worlds. And note one thing- Charles have just stated their view of the world- he didn't forced anything, we jumped on that vagon just like that! This is how they control, and this is how we give our consent to their control. And the Law of Free Will is always respected.
Here also we can became aware that by following their line of thinking we are calling forth more control and more externally imposed rules, versus being governed by our own internal sense and moral code imprinted in our souls (and allow other souls to exercise the same right).
-"They" are reflection of us- we all have a little "controler" inside us. We all have this sense of entitlement (are we really discussing ways to cancell someone's right to live or to decide how many children they are going to have? Yes, we are. And we consider ourselves "awake"). Finding this and other "dark spots" within our own minds and hearts and releasing them is the only way to the freedom. So this is the opportunity for which we have to give gratitude and SALUTE our adversary.
- In this communication we can also see the diferentiation- there are those who are choosing to transcedent this type of existance and intend to create a new world (and those are aware that a whole new set of ideas will mark this new world)- which makes them less intereseted in 3D events and how they will transpire. Eyes and ears of those people are atuned to different music and they are searching for different clues on how to advance on their intended path. So, from the same communication, they will percieve different things and they will percieve behind the face value of the words.
There are those souls who just wants their world, 3d world to become better and life less distorted. And finally, there are those who are awakening and making choices toward the dark side. All choices are valid and OK, the worst think would be staying asleep and not making any choice, but those people would not be on any forum like this one.

[bluestflame]

or "the symbol "

nah , hang on , the artist formerly known as prince bagged that one

[steve_a]

Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

One thing is for sure, the reaction has been intense with the presence of this Charles fellow, with numerous sign ups of new members in December and January alone, and a huge amount of interaction in the Charles threads. Just to unravel that will take some time. That being said it would be interesting to get another 'partial' from Bill to see where he thinks all of this is going, if he still would put his hand in the fire.

As I understand it, Kerry had reservations about the whole of this, even up to the point of trying to have a debate for publication which, "burned down very much like the twin towers". Perhaps a further declaration from her would be well due. It's obvious that she is also privvy to certain information that the plebs are not. Could she throw some light over the subject?

Best regards,

Steve

[TWINNICK]

There are some wise words on here, this is good and no I don't think Atticus will take over Avalon forum.

There is a huge amount of info on this forum to do with all sorts of things and subjects, thanks Bill and everyone for all your work.

..Nick..

[Hawkwind]

Well, to the extent that most discussions are now centered around the subject of Charles, yes- it is. Given the potential importance of what is going on, I think that is perfectly justifiable. If Charles is what he says he is and is doing what he says he's doing then we have a game changing opportunity here.
Avalon came into existence as a means to help each other in our individual searches for truth. In terms of geo-political truth, however, we have always been faced with the lack of a direct line of communication with people who are in a position to know what is really going on. If Charles is legit, then that has just changed. So, I feel our focusing attention toward ascertaining the veracity of his claims is entirely justified.
Are we being played? Even if he is who he says he is, probably. Part of the test to being given access to esoteric knowledge has always been the ability to discern truth from deception. Charles said we are being interviewed. I take that to mean, we being tested as a group to determine if we are truly mature and responsible enough to enter the Elyssian fields.
It's very important that we not elevate Charles (or his master) to the position of Messiah, but it is equally important to recognize the possibility of having encountered a valuable teacher and ally, imho.

[72MAV27]

well i have to admit that tho i have followed bill and kerry's work for some time now, it was the charles interview that actually got me to sign up for this forum. my intuition tells me that charles is atleast 50% legit. probably more. but i think the life he has lived has disconnected him from some universal truths. in my opinion he can probably tell us a great deal about the "rulers of the world" and their plans. probably even a lot about the earth and it's history. but asking him for universal knowledge and things out of the scope of this planet isn't a wize choice.

[Nela]

Yes, we should have in mind that side from which he is coming has a certain way of thinking, a certain view of the world which is limited, no matter how "powerful" they are percieved to be, by us or by themselves. Their "power" is valid only up to the level of our "sleep" and ignorance. They will, by their own choice always remain in the same spot, for that is the nature of what we call "darkness": limitation, constriction, hierarchy, linear thinking and externally imposed rules.

According to their view of the world, their perception of other beings will be that of a separation, a threat that should be limited, controled, eliminated, used, etc. Their definition of advancement will be measured in terms of technology advancement.

Opposing would be a view of the world as a place of limitless possibilities, the philosophy in which life is seen as a mystery and other being as part of our experiance and our journey, its marked with dedication to knowledge and willingness to explore our own internal world, not change the outside- it takes care of itself withouth any effort after we do our homework. That view define advancement by the achieved level of one's own impeccability and personal power (opposed is taking power from other beings). It renders fear useless and with fear, all animosity toward "dark" dissapear. They are percieved as a mirror, as a pointer, and their role in the creation is fully acknowledged.

So, by communicating with the advesary we learn about that view of the world, and by our inner, intuitive reaction we learn about our own path and with which view of the world we resonate more. Do we choose freedom from that restriction or we want our prison to be more comfortable?

[vortex surfer]

This is just my second post, so might as well just jump into it. I can see what people mean regarding division, divide and conquer, etc. It is something to have in mind. However, I've read on this forum for a while and it's not exactly the first time members have been diveded on a source. Of course the material presented by Charles through the interview and the following Q&A is in some ways of a different magnitude, being released with permission from the so-called people on the top. But what I'm trying to say is that Avalon has seen its lion share of material and sources that are shall we say controversial (and that's kind of the point of the forum, no?) and it's still here, vibrant and diverse as ever.

That's one of the reasons why I decided to join this place. Usually online forums tend to polarize and create open conflict between members, and things bog down to where different camps use their energy getting at each other instead of the subjects at hand. But Avalon has showed resilience time and again, and that's because members here respect each other despite having different opinions and ideas about stuff. Other than the original break of PC into Avalon and Camelot Productions I can't think of any successful divisons here ( unless there is an alternate Avalon forum that I'm not aware of..? ). Sure, some people leave or are removed, but that happens everywhere. If anything it seems that the number of members only have grown with time, and I think one of the main reasons IS division, or I should rather call it a multitude of diversified perspectives and outlooks on ourselves and our reality, like different facets from the same prism. And we are in a way each on our own path, but we all stop and take a drink from the same river (i.e. Avalon) along the way.

To conclude (this post got a bit bigger than expected) I am positive that we will move on stronger from this, whatever the case may be regarding Charles. I don't think one source or piece of material would be enough to tear down what has been created here anyway. As long as we treat each other with love and respect, we'll endure and continue to grow.

[Smith]

A fine Good Morning, to all of you wonderful posters here at Avalon

I got a pocket full of linty change that I think I can extract two coppers from. The trouble is that with this material I have more questions than anything else.

I know that there are different types of human progress and evolution. What I don't know is what kind should hold precedent to the other types. I believe that spiritual evolution takes precedent. I am not a Luddite mind you, it's just that I feel that if the spiritual development isn't there, then often times decisions regarding technology, innovation, and matters of state are made too hastily, or made in error.

The material so far began with talk of population reduction and genetic enhancement via eugenics and the like.

The bit about going before a body of people that think it efficacious, to garner the truth of a person, through the use of a ring shaped device that can cripple or disfigure, does not sound like something anybody with any kind of intuition or discernment would need to use. I almost always know when someone is lying to me. People who torture usually want the answer that's right for them, not the truth.


Now this may sound weird but suppose just suppose that the hallmark of true evolutionary progress for us humans turns out to be the Special Olympics.

What if the really great inventions turn out to be things like pumpkin pie?

What are we actually here for?

Some of us are worrying about trying to create a community model that will meet the approval of the powers that be. What on earth would seem viable to them. If we only have 20 seconds to make the pitch, then I think it would be safe to assume, that their minds are already made up.

So I think with my attitude, I am not going to make the cut. No offense to Charles or the Master. And I think Bill is too wonderful for words, but I think I want to stay with my heroes in the Special Olympics I need them and they need me. Hope to see you all on the other side. I here theirs lots of Pie!!!

[wolf_rt]

Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.

It prompted me to view the Marcell Messing interview, in the Bill's threads section, which was the most well spent 2hours of my life.

If Marcell's message is looked at along with the 'Anglo-Saxon Mission' Material and the 'Charles' Material a very clear picture begins to form about what is going on here.

[Celine]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.
.

Well said!

Watching this community learn..adapt...and welcome new viewpoints..has been an honor.

You all are very special beings.

[Nela]

Great insight Smith!!!

Regards,
Nela

[noxon medem]

Notes and reflections on the thread matter.

- basicly :
I trust Bill on this.

Do I trust Charles ?
No. But that is not required. (from me at this point)
It is required that we listen to what he, and they, have to say.
Also that we keep an open mind, and heart, and are aware in
thought, emotion, imagination and word.

- And meet with respect.
Do you immediately trust everyone you meet ?
I do not, but I try to meet them all with respect.
In my view Charles has done nothing of the sort
that would disqualify him for that basic standard.

It seems obvious that Bill trust Charles enough to let him
set his imprint on a small part of the Avalon Forum.
That is Bills right (pun intended), and his prerogative.
What is up to us, all, is to participate.
Each in their own way.

The forum is allready huge, and constantly expanding.
There are at the Avalon Forum 26th of january 2011, 15.51 cet .
10,342 Threads
106,406 Posts
2,385 Members
1,835 Active Members
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php

- so there is realy a lot of other stuff to enjoy.

Life seem full of dilemmas and paradoxes, and most seems to be basicly uncertain,
at least from and individual shortlived, and sighted, human perspective.

I choose for the time being to place this material in the fiction and philosophy-segment
(but that is where I put most things from this temporary illusion)
It is anyways a great story being told and unfolding.
And we are anyways part of it, all of us.
So better do it consciously.

Selfcritisism is utmost important, as individuals and as a group, or forum.
The inner critical voices, being of sound mind and constructive, factual and imaginative,
is also of big value to Bill Ryan and the Avalon Forum.
( I will go so far as to say he is in serious trouble without those voices )
I have been one of them for the last weeks, but my mind is now changing
towards a more neutral position. That is my journey in here.
Great if you, plumr2007, and others, can take care of that critical job.
( It is very important, but do not expect to be thanked for it )

Nobody knows for sure, except God.
And my understanding is, that in order to find God you have to look inside,
- not only outside.
(This is one of the reasons I criticise the socalled spiritual teachers who allow themselves
to have devotees, who view, and treat, them as gods.)

We come here to collect and to share information and stories.
Trying to see the big picture, the "truth".
We need that to create a sustained imagination of our reality.

Discerned trust, and Earned trust. Is there a difference ? Yes.
In this case (for most of us) there is no time or situation that could get
us to the level of earned trust, with charles.
So, I choose to trust Bill, and therefore charles by proxy, so to speak.
(BTW: ", so to speak .. " was a much used phrase of last week, check advanced search ..)

Basicly the trust is in family and longstanding friends. ( or would be )
You cannot have enough friends, and you can have too many ..
(another paradox)

(here an allmost irrelevant illustration. I just like it )

Stones for grinding seeds.

40 years wandering a desert, sandstorms grinding at you regulary, that shapes a character,
and bonding. What a mindset, for personal, and common, developement.
Leaving anything you cannot carry .. - And still carrying each other.

.. oh, and i think the answer to the
colour of your eyes - riddle is:
Who cares, if you are a good, honorable being.

If charles storyline is true, and a "man" has lived continuiously for 5000 years,
( years can be counted in many ways. How many lives have you lived lately ?)
and still has love for humanity, that is not only a ... personal achievement,
it is a miracle. Look around you. He or charles, or Bill, or you and me,
did not create this apparant mess we are in. Neither should we expect
any one of them singlehandedly to manage changing things, and start anew.

Can we all face up to that responsability, and potential, mindblowing fun ?
Maybe the task at hand, also on this forum, within practical known means,
is to imagine possible human futures.
And the "known" has of course to be expanded.

I believe that Bill and the team has a deliberate purpose behind recent developement here on part of the forum.
The january "shock"treatment seems to have been induced to create a climate where a certain communication can occure.
Also it looks like Bill, the Avalon Team, and/or Charles, has been using this periode to reqruit members
from this forum for a backroom "discussion"group. ( how many and for what spesifics is anyones guess )

- the party is over, now the fun begins.
(quote from a friend of mine)



all well
nm

[Bill Ryan]

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Is this becoming the all Charles forum?

Not for me, it's not.

Do click on my FIND ALL POSTS - linked from my username to the left of this message.

[greybeard]

Bill has brought me many gifts via this forum.
It will always be Bill's forum.
I dont always agree with him but I respect him greatly.
Through him I found Marcel Messing
Thanks Bill

Currently viewing Marcel Messing videos which I put on the Ego thread.
This video goes into all you would ever want to know about how aliens affected our life purpose, changed our DNA.
How the whole object is to have us as slaves.
To keep the Truth hidden from us.

11 short videos in the series.

Its the fullest video I have ever watched on the subject.

Check it out.

Respectfully
Chris

[72MAV27]

love the way you broke that down Nela!

[72MAV27]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.

It prompted me to view the Marcell Messing interview, in the Bill's threads section, which was the most well spent 2hours of my life.

If Marcell's message is looked at along with the 'Anglo-Saxon Mission' Material and the 'Charles' Material a very clear picture begins to form about what is going on here.

i love the short music in the beginning of that Marcell Messing interview. the vibrations in the voice touch the soul!!!