The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[KiwiElf]

Posted by mahigitam (here)
I notice some here seem to be arguing that the evidence Meier presented in mid to late 1970's was legit but the evidence presented later was fabricated either by Meier himself or by others. We must not forget that the dozens and dozens of damning fake space photos, fabricated prophecies, etc. were there since the beginning of the case i.e. from 1975 onwards. And not to mention the homophobic teachings that were published since 1975.

I believe we are entitled to form our own beliefs & opinions about this mahigitam. Altho I may not personally agree with Meiers homophobic teachings, it doesn't invalidate the other aspects. Perhaps the difference between your findings and those of the original investigations, is that they went in with an open mind, not an intention to prove him wrong.

Even Wikipedia, who usually take the "safe road" and would be expected to outright debunk Meier 100%, do not. Sorry to say it, but your findings get barely a mention.

I'm reminded of the line from the JFK movie, "Theoretical physics can also prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy!"

Perhaps I trust my eyes, experience and my own common sense (.. and Billy Meier), more than your "facts"

Cheers

[Agape]

Think of cultural diversity .. and ethical standards of the times and societies we're living now as transient because whether you want to acknowledge that or even realise that deeply , they actually are transient .

500 years ago 'we' burnt people at stake for being 'witches', true, some of them were known to be 'real witches' while others were sought and hunted down in huge medieval mob that swept most of Europe prying on those who experienced themselves in different ways from the mainstream Catholic teachings .
Few of our historical personalities , priests and scientists were likewise condemned for heresy and incarcerated for saying the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun rather than otherwise and it does not quite represent 'the centre of the Universe' .

To this day .. there are probably still few millions of people if not more who somehow 'feel' that Earth is flat and that it is right at the centre of creation and Universe and Skies above are mostly an illusion for those people, no matter what you tell them and the only right things in human life are eating, sleeping , praying, working hard as ass and having children .

Look at the geopolitical situation of Europe 100 years ago and it's a time when women barely won their rights to vote or study in academic institutions .
For long enough till then , almost every church known to me except the Hindu ( who do not have 'joint church opinion' ) taught that women are soul-less and their only good role in society is being mothers , eternally subservient to their husbands and families .

100 years ago the country I sit in now was not a country but part of Austrian-Ungarian empire and well, we all were under siege of WWI.

Switzerland was not rich till WWII and pretty rural and mountain land whose children had to work in fields instead going to school.

The same can be said about everywhere else ..


Now what is 'homophobic' ?

What way is homosexuality 'the norm' of human society with exception of tiny percent of people and what way is it a fad that was blown to cover the fact that most people are curious about 'everything' and ready to sell their body to fashion industry , for example if it's well payed ?

What way is prosecuting 'sodomy' homophobic ?

What way is that more acceptable for you than say, pedophilia ?


It takes ages to cultivate , educate human society , by subtle means .. without retreating to violence .

Just saying .. that there's much I do agree with in Billy Meier and then there's probably much I don't but do I have my own way and teachings ?
Completely .

There are many good spiritually advanced teachers and people , generally around the continent and it's not that you need ETs to discover and explore your spirituality .
Most of those who are true are also subtle and do not believe that filling stadiums with 'fans' really help and do not believe in organising political and religious movement and all kind of 'hactivism' that gets out of hand easily , together with their 'leaders'.


Judging the transience of ethics, it's also more or less clear to me that what's acceptable in one culture does not automatically ring true bells everywhere else too.

I've heard it from Kerry Cassidy on couple of occasions and when it came to vetting ( and pardoning ) some whistleblowers , and others here of course, in your culture it may be fine if the person uses a 'little trick' or 'lie' times to times and it's even applauded as kind of charm and people still go around him/her 'believing' he/she is otherwise 'good and honest' .

That's fine with you but it does not automatically work the same way everywhere and whether we talk of Far East or Far West , there are societies that will automatically 'throw the baby' out if they find out a breach of ethics , an attempt to deliberately modify or falsify testimony and so on.

And now .. I mean well .. 100 or 200 years from now and if you think off all the 'publicity bias' what remains will be 'facts' . The science of it . Anything can be also covered and falsified and overlooked by current media and controlled by intel agencies that paints another picture but once the 'morals' or 'pseudo-morals' of current era pass away ..the truth will be found .

It may be sooner or later and it's nothing to do with 'prophecies' . Most prophecies are nothing else than work of more subtle and predictive intelligence in ourselves in us counting 'all the options available' or as many as possible .

Truth will be found is only logical because the chain of causes and consequences never stops .

So Billy Meier and all the rest of us having a message will show up one day .


What seems to me is that we're all suffering deeply for the truth because we want it to be now, in this very lifetime ..

[KiwiElf]

I could draw comparisons to NZ's own version of "Billy Meier" - Alec Newald. He was locked up by authorities, hounded, ridiculed etc. While not in the same league as Meier, Alec has revealed some quite astounding "knowledge" himself. I know the guy personally, which is different from reading about him or watching a video. What he has discussed with me and shown me in private conversations is staggering. (and I also believe he is genuine).

My simple question regarding the way contactee's are treated by the debunking "experts" and "authorities" is; why do the "authorities" invest so much time, effort & resources debunking (and sometimes outright destroying) the contactee when from the outset, the "authorities" claim they are frauds & fakes.

It's a bit like, "if Lee Harvey Oswald did it" (re JFK), then why lock up the evidence for 30 years (or worse still, make it - or the contactee - "disappear")?

[KiwiElf]

@ Agape
Possibly has a lot to do with Westerners being "programmed" that a movie has a beginning, climax and ending, all happily (or not), resolved in the space of 2-hours.

[Cidersomerset]

I just started watching this old vid on DNA's thread and John Starts off briefly
stating he believed the Meier case to be true ( 6 min in)....Just for the record.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pj-HzHi3dF0