Age of Consent

[petra]

Posted by Mike (here)
So here I am, taking her for ice cream...here I am, taking her to Moes...here I am, taking her to the movies. See, we keep going to the same damn places, and im getting some serious sideways glances, if ya know what I mean. People are suspicious. My inclination is to say f#ck em, but im quite human and would be lying if I said I wasnt feeling very self conscious over the whole thing

Yup there it is, that awful side effect. That's just terrible when you know you're doing nothing wrong, but people are still suspicious!

I admit, if I was there I might be giving you sideways glances too, and shame on me for that. I think you are right to be paranoid though. All it would take is one of those people to misjudge you, report to child services, and next thing you know the poor child is in a room alone getting interrogated. This whole world is nuts, pardon my cynicism.

Fanna said "Destroy society; save the world" which sounds like it'd work - no society = no sociopaths = no psychopaths? I just don't think it'd be that easy though, because I believe that psychopaths are born that way and cannot be cured. The fact that people even -want- to molest children is very telling, and I think that even if everyone lived like cavemen, there would still be child molesters.

[Mike]

I'm not sure thats exactly what Fanna meant. Perhaps she can elaborate a little. Fanna, will you please get up in front of the class and explain yourself?

[Fanna]

Posted by petra (here)
I think that even if everyone lived like cavemen, there would still be child molesters.

I have no intent for us to live like cavemen. The opposite of a global elite cartel fashioning society and its laws by occult strings is not chaos. All I am saying is to stop focusing on the laws and focus on doing what is RIGHT. Like Greybeard! Stop focusing on the law and focus on upbringing; bring up this world!

[petra]

Posted by Fanna (here)

Posted by petra (here)
I think that even if everyone lived like cavemen, there would still be child molesters.

I have no intent for us to live like cavemen. The opposite of a global elite cartel fashioning society and its laws by occult strings is not chaos. All I am saying is to stop focusing on the laws and focus on doing what is RIGHT. Like Greybeard! Stop focusing on the law and focus on upbringing; bring up this world!

Of course not, just an example of a world without a society. No offense was intended, I just find it hard to imagine a world without society and is the best I could come up with.

It would be nice if we could evolve to the point of not needing laws, because everyone would just "do the right thing", but I see that a long way off yet.

[Fanna]

It starts with you; that is the only thing you can change. Live it and it will be so.

[Mike]

Posted by Fanna (here)

Posted by petra (here)
I think every man needs to be aware of how girls can blackmail or extort them using this law too.

Posted by ulli (here)
So laws regarding the number of wives, or age of consent were to protect their reputation, in the context of the local religion.

Laws can thus be used for ill under all circumstances. It is not a matter of falling in line with the laws, it is all a matter of falling in line with the LAW. The law simply being that we treat others with respect.

Posted by Mike (here)
Wait a second, I think im describing our planet..

No, simply our society. Destroy society; save the world.
Fire everything.

Right, respect. But here we bump into arbitrary-ness again.

Im thinking of the person who wouldnt cater a gay wedding, for example, because it doesnt jibe with their religious beliefs. Many would call that bigotry, or discrimination. But the so called religious folks would call it religious freedom.

We all want respect...but we cant always agree on what that means

[Fanna]

Posted by Mike (here)
Many would call that bigotry, or discrimination. But the so called religious folks would call it religious freedom.

We all want respect...but we cant always agree on what that means

We teach it. It will not be easy, but if we do not accept the challenge, we will simply face more of the same. Saving this world is a task that involves saving every single bigot and every single rapist as well as those in our close family. Show love to all, mean well to all. Live by an example that is brighter than a holy minister and you become one to all. We must do something. THAT is what I mean by fight. Fight like the world depends on it. It does.

[Mike]

Posted by Fanna (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Many would call that bigotry, or discrimination. But the so called religious folks would call it religious freedom.

We all want respect...but we cant always agree on what that means

We teach it. It will not be easy, but if we do not accept the challenge, we will simply face more of the same. Saving this world is a task that involves saving every single bigot and every single rapist as well as those in our close family. Show love to all, mean well to all. Live by an example that is brighter than a holy minister and you become one to all. We must do something. THAT is what I mean by fight. Fight like the world depends on it. It does.

What if all the bigots and rapists and criminals thought *we* were the ones that required saving? What if they united under this purpose and fought just as hard as we did towards saving them?

A rhetorical question....only intended to inspire a little thought.

We all have different ideas of right and wrong..which is why we have laws of course. A truly enlightened society wouldnt be in this position of trying to legislate morality, but we're not quite there yet. I sometimes wonder if the only way of getting there is, ironically, getting rid of all laws. Might force us to grow up quick (after a bit of anarchy, of course)

[Sueanne47]

Hey Mike ~ how about us older girls???!! we are great fun/witty/intelligent (LOL)/sassy/romantic/chic.... what more could a guy want

[Mike]

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
Hey Mike ~ how about us older girls???!! we are great fun/witty/intelligent (LOL)/sassy/romantic/chic.... what more could a guy want

Well of course! you'll get no argument from me there!

Have I given the impression anywhere in this thread that I might think otherwise?? (...nervously skimming posts now..)

[TargeT]

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
Hey Mike ~ how about us older girls???!! we are great fun/witty/intelligent (LOL)/sassy/romantic/chic.... what more could a guy want

My wife is 6 years older... at 18 I "romantically pursued" a 28 year old bartender at my work place.... were I not male these situations would be looked on in a disparaging way for the most part.. ahh misandry; the only widely practiced and ignored prejudice we are allowed these days...

[Mike]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
Hey Mike ~ how about us older girls???!! we are great fun/witty/intelligent (LOL)/sassy/romantic/chic.... what more could a guy want

My wife is 6 years older... at 18 I "romantically pursued" a 28 year old bartender at my work place.... were I not male these situations would be looked on in a disparaging way for the most part.. ahh misandry; the only widely practiced and ignored prejudice we are allowed these days...

Respect that.

If only I had a dime for every time an older woman said to me (blushing) "..but im old enough to be your mother...)




Add to edit: because that makes me sound a little creepy. If I had a dime for every time that happened I might have 60 cents. Point being, ive been unsuccessful in that area.

[petra]

Posted by Fanna (here)
Saving this world is a task that involves saving every single bigot and every single rapist as well as those in our close family. Show love to all, mean well to all.

I'm sorry but I'm finding this particularly stomach turning...

Great in concept, but consider the ones who don't want to be saved. Those exist too, and I we still need to learn what to do with them as a society. Frankly I have no idea but saving them is not a valid option in my book.

I have an "evil part" too if you will, and that part of me has noticed that this type of thinking can get people into trouble. While researching psychopathy I came across this exact reason why people are targeted by psychopaths (or we could also call them "smart monkeys", same thing)

[Orph]

Posted by Mike (here)

Now, im 39 but I look quite young..or so people say. In other words, im not quite old enough looking to be her father..in most peoples eyes anyway. But im much too old looking to be a friend or a boyfriend..

So here I am, taking her for ice cream...here I am, taking her to Moes...here I am, taking her to the movies. See, we keep going to the same damn places, and im getting some serious sideways glances, if ya know what I mean. People are suspicious. My inclination is to say f#ck em, but im quite human and would be lying if I said I wasnt feeling very self conscious over the whole thing

I was in a similar situation many years ago. I knew a girl who had a niece who was about 11 or 12 years old. I was very good friends with them both. She (the niece) was a real tomboy, and loved sports. I remarked that perhaps she would like to go to football games with me. Next thing you know people are saying stuff like "Hey, I hear you are going on a date with *****".

Geeeeeeze. Had she been a boy, nobody would've given it a second thought. But because she was a girl, suddenly I'm dating a 12 year old. Needless to say, I never took her to any games.

[boutreality]

Let's link Age of Consent to neurological development.
Last I read 19 is when a person's brain has its own neurological foundation for its own reasoning in place; that foundation -in neurological terms- starts building at about 17.
I say raise Age of Consent from 18, (California is 18) to 19 nationwide, some "close in age" consideration is likely valid.

The brain begins the process of refining its own reasoning capacity at 21, and at 23 -neurologically- one is thought to be capable critical analysis.
-Again this is based upon what I remember reading about brain development some time ago.
The point is, if we know this a facet of neurological development, why do any states consider anything less than 18 a valid Age of Consent?

Any behavior or thought process before those ages that mimics reasoning or critical analysis is based upon learned or copied behavior.

I'm in NV, I believe it's still 16 here, back when I was new to town -over 15 yrs ago- they had to make a special provision preventing teachers from sleeping with their students. It was a new thing just being introduced then!

[DNA]

Posted by Fanna (here)

Posted by petra (here)
I think that even if everyone lived like cavemen, there would still be child molesters.

I have no intent for us to live like cavemen. The opposite of a global elite cartel fashioning society and its laws by occult strings is not chaos. All I am saying is to stop focusing on the laws and focus on doing what is RIGHT. Like Greybeard! Stop focusing on the law and focus on upbringing; bring up this world!

I often go to a quote by Robert Anton Wilson when explaining why I do not think anarchism can work.

I'm a libertarian because I don't trust the people as much as anarchists do. I want to see government limited as much as possible; I would like to see it reduced back to where it was in Jefferson's time, or even smaller. But I would not like to see it abolished. I think the average American, if left totally free, would act exactly like Idi Amin. I don't trust the people any more than I trust the government.

[Fanna]

Why does everyone think I am an anarchist for wanting everyone to stop the global elite one thought at a time?

[DNA]

Posted by Fanna (here)
Why does everyone think I am an anarchist for wanting everyone to stop the global elite one thought at a time?

Well, yes.
That was what I got.
I mean it's cool and all, I've known some pretty cool anarchists, I personally just do not think it could work is all.
But, you've made your self clear, so no ill will intended there.


When I was younger, I was of the opinion that people could be fixed, and or that they wanted to be fixed.
Age has taught me that this is not the case.
I hear some power of intention in your statement. Is that so?
I'm of the opinion that the elite are aware of the power of intention and have been programming society ever since we have been born.
Money, Music, Movies, Government, News Agendas
These have all been used quite successfully to program society and keep the power of intention fixated as the wizards wish it to be.


The age of consent is an example in this. It creates the fixation of sex being something one can and thus one should experience at this age.
Sexual energy being the ultimate Loosh, if there are archonic fisherman with loosh nets trolling the earth, then they must be very happy with their catch as of late.


I think if one is to have any hope on altering this stream of power going to the elite, then a person should look to manifest that change in one's own self.
And then, one may give personal examples about how one is accomplishing this. This I believe can truly change the world.


Just my 2 cents.
A good day to all

[Fanna]

Posted by DNA (here)
I think if one is to have any hope on altering this stream of power going to the elite, then a person should look to manifest that change in one's own self.
And then, one may give personal examples about how one is accomplishing this. This I believe can truly change the world.
Just my 2 cents.
A good day to all

This is all I want anyone to do, very elegantly said. Today I helped a woman get her two kids out of the hands of her abusive husband and into a homeschool environment where they can truly flourish. Later tonight, I hope to head over to Boeing to loiter, ask too many questions, and hand out informational flyers to the night crew.

I still do not think I am being anarchical, but I guess everything I am doing is sort of against the law that restricts and constrains the American people. Or maybe I just overreacted because I truly believe in people gathered in groups with the intention of helping each other. Separation is not what we need. Connection is.

[boutreality]

What is actually at issue when it comes to determining an appropriate Age of Consent is to what degree a moral relativism is applied.

Because one adult handled a situation with a child, reading the "scenario" of the involvement as the child "being open to sexual relations" does not mean that an adult can apply his view of the hypothetical to the rest of the world and therefore deem his action appropriate.
-An assessment of what an appropriate decision is, extrapolated to apply to people in general, based on Moral Relativism.

That stance above is viewed only from the side of the hypothetical perpetrator'sview. Let's consider actual brain function in the child, wherein the individual capacity to make decisions in one's own best interest is founded, and ask if any Age of Consesnt lower than 18 is in keeping with an adult responsibility to steward the welfare of children.

From American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry article entitled "Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, and Decision Making":

"Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood."

Whole article may be read here: http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_...aking-095.aspx

Given this and other supporting information -of which there is plenty; information called "current science"- a child is incapable of of reasoning on their own, in fact to quote that same line again: "This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood."
It is now accepted that the pre-frontal cortex, associated with impulse control and decision making, is the last to mature.
Sexual relations of any type with adults threatens the stability of this development in the child, especially when how this abberation in generally accepted behavior impact s child's developing sense of social reasoning; what behavior is accepted in which social situation being a main facet of social reasoning.

I submit that any argument made to justify an Age of Consent lower than 18 is results from individual and/or cultural Moral Relativism (a culture being a group of individuals adhering to laws designed by individuals.)
There is a money interest involved i slaw-making world wide. I am confident in saying that when Age of Consent is the issue, decsions are made, in part to, support an underground "pedophile tourism."
Where a small sector of the population with the means and interest in pedophilia travel to areas of the world where what they are sick enouhg to consider their "sexual preference" (Moral Relativism) is protected by law.