Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[Scott]

It's all very interesting from an observational point of view, to be sure.

Here is what I see; the bubble around me is that space that surrounds me and those closest to me with minor probes extending beyond me to others I have come in contact with, to varying degrees.

What exists in my bubble is this; Life is good, Family is Love, Friends are chosen and appreciated for who they are, time spent on anything outside that is done with the enjoyment derived from the act of doing.
Things that must be done but not actively pursued are just movement to fulfill a need.

If it’s not in my bubble it does not affect me or as my wife likes to say “Just because I have chili pepper in the cupboard doesn’t mean I want it in my cake ”

Avalon is very active now but it has had very interesting threads going all the way back to AV1.
The most recent influx of attention and jump in membership means something, time will decide what that something is.

When the reboot happened from AV1 to the current AV2, many things about the forum changed and this was mostly Bill's vision of what he wanted the forum to reflect out in the ocean of the internet.
I could be wrong but the intent leaned more towards a small Island as apposed to a metropolis.
This also points to why Bill created it as a Invite only forum.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I have a feeling this could be more about us than Charles.

[Nela]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

One thing is for sure, the reaction has been intense with the presence of this Charles fellow, with numerous sign ups of new members in December and January alone, and a huge amount of interaction in the Charles threads. Just to unravel that will take some time. That being said it would be interesting to get another 'partial' from Bill to see where he thinks all of this is going, if he still would put his hand in the fire.

As I understand it, Kerry had reservations about the whole of this, even up to the point of trying to have a debate for publication which, "burned down very much like the twin towers". Perhaps a further declaration from her would be well due. It's obvious that she is also privvy to certain information that the plebs are not. Could she throw some light over the subject?

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I would not agree at all that Bill's credibility is on any line here and is in any way defined by Charles. He is our fellow truthseeker, and he made this communication and meeting place available to us, and he is the one who dedicated his life and all of his efforts into getting information out FOR US. Our own capability for discernment is not Bill's responsibility, and information provided is truly valuable and is beyond our confined views on truth and lies, black and white. There is no source on this plane of existance that is 100% pure, no person made in flesh and blood that posseses all knowledge, whole truth and all peaces of the puzzle to whom we can just hand over our power and follow without question. So, whatever Charles turns out to be, Bill, people on this forum with their insights and pieces of knowledge that can be found throughout this site remain as valuable as they always were and would not be diminished by any outcome of this adventure. Whatever happens, we will all be enriched with more knowledge and lessons learned.

[Carmody]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
I have a feeling this could be more about us than Charles.

See his last statement in the questions for Charles thread. page 40. It says exactly that, in different words.

[Carmody]

Posted by Scott (here)
It's all very interesting from an observational point of view, to be sure.

Here is what I see; the bubble around me is that space that surrounds me and those closest to me with minor probes extending beyond me to others I have come in contact with, to varying degrees.

What exists in my bubble is this; Life is good, Family is Love, Friends are chosen and appreciated for who they are, time spent on anything outside that is done with the enjoyment derived from the act of doing.
Things that must be done but not actively pursued are just movement to fulfill a need.

If it’s not in my bubble it does not affect me or as my wife likes to say “Just because I have chili pepper in the cupboard doesn’t mean I want it in my cake ”

Avalon is very active now but it has had very interesting threads going all the way back to AV1.
The most recent influx of attention and jump in membership means something, time will decide what that something is.

When the reboot happened from AV1 to the current AV2, many things about the forum changed and this was mostly Bill's vision of what he wanted the forum to reflect out in the ocean of the internet.
I could be wrong but the intent leaned more towards a small Island as apposed to a metropolis.
This also points to why Bill created it as a Invite only forum.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein

If the influx of the new is not directed and allowed to be absorbed by the whole (original).... then the influx of the new will overcome the old and transform the old into a rabble that does not reflect the aims and actions and desires of the old.... but will be a confusion of....nothing.

which is why the level of control over the influx of the new MUST REMAIN IN EFFECT and watched very, very closely. this is human dynamics and this forum can be brought down by too many new heads not learning or caring about the social order that is here,and is being developed, the key point: being developed'.

The reason for the influx of people from everywhere into the US right now, specifically that of Mexico.... seems to be, to tear down the social fabric which was in danger of becoming too strong, centered, and becoming 'self aware'. Like it did in the late 60's. The PTB did not want that to happen again, too close for them. I could be wrong, but that seems to have been a large part of it.

I very much stress a very controlled addition of new members is needed. No 'idealism' on that one please, keep base psychology in mind when adding new members! Get some control of the social order before adding too many, otherwise the result is social confusion.

[greybeard]

[Link] Q 155. Liquid: Is your master looking to setup another permanent group similar to the 33?

[Link] No You are going to be on your own against the system of secret madmen.

Self employed to get the job done.

It is too easy to attack an organisation.

We all change our mind our behavior, we act differently. Really it is about the individual.

Paradoxically; listening To Messer.
He said now the wave must become the OCEAN.

The kingdom of heaven it is a state of enlightenment and that is what Messer is speaking of.
Thats where the Power lies.
Thats what the Elite are terrified of, that is the answer.
Its not wake up to what controllers are doing its wake up to what you are.

Ask your self. What am I?
The answer will come.

Chris

[72MAV27]

Posted by Nela (here)
Charles is here as a representative of our NOBLE ADVERSARY and regardless of what he and those behind him state as a reason for this communication, they are here so that we can learn.
We have asked for certain knowledge, and we have been served. That does not have anything to do with their intent, this is a Law of Free Will at works. Whenever level of awareness increase, the level of illusion drops. As that happen, they ("dark side") are obliged to provide information- to put it out in to the open, so that those who seek can find it. It does not have anything to do with their willingnes to do so, they are operating under the laws as the rest of the creation. Apart from the information pertaining to 3D world events (less important), for those who have eyes to see, they are providing more valuable information on the following:
- Our imprisonment is best described in the words of Don Huan in one of Castaneda books- they managed to enslave us by "giving us their mind". Thanks to communication with Charles we can see how easy we get caught up in the "mind" and "logic" of the dark- just check responses to the subject of "overpopulation" problem- many people just jumped on thinking how we can decrease population. The only difference is that we would not do that by "killing people", but we would impose restriction to their rights to determine for themselves how many children they would have!!!! So, in DARK AGENDA, we do not have a problem with the AGENDA, we would only make it less DARK. This is not a different way of thinking, this is only a different shade of darkness. This is "mind" versus "heart": reverence for our own life and life of all beings in this world and other worlds. And note one thing- Charles have just stated their view of the world- he didn't forced anything, we jumped on that vagon just like that! This is how they control, and this is how we give our consent to their control. And the Law of Free Will is always respected.
Here also we can became aware that by following their line of thinking we are calling forth more control and more externally imposed rules, versus being governed by our own internal sense and moral code imprinted in our souls (and allow other souls to exercise the same right).
-"They" are reflection of us- we all have a little "controler" inside us. We all have this sense of entitlement (are we really discussing ways to cancell someone's right to live or to decide how many children they are going to have? Yes, we are. And we consider ourselves "awake"). Finding this and other "dark spots" within our own minds and hearts and releasing them is the only way to the freedom. So this is the opportunity for which we have to give gratitude and SALUTE our adversary.
- In this communication we can also see the diferentiation- there are those who are choosing to transcedent this type of existance and intend to create a new world (and those are aware that a whole new set of ideas will mark this new world)- which makes them less intereseted in 3D events and how they will transpire. Eyes and ears of those people are atuned to different music and they are searching for different clues on how to advance on their intended path. So, from the same communication, they will percieve different things and they will percieve behind the face value of the words.
There are those souls who just wants their world, 3d world to become better and life less distorted. And finally, there are those who are awakening and making choices toward the dark side. All choices are valid and OK, the worst think would be staying asleep and not making any choice, but those people would not be on any forum like this one.

i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

[jer]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

Best regards,

Steve

As human creatures (?) we seem to be able to love and trust to extremes. If life is a playground of non duality then one may choose to Love without regret, trust without hesitation and feel no guilt about it in the least.
Do I reservations? Yes.

But I CHOOSE to live with an open heart.

Anyone betting how Bill chooses to LIVE LIFE?

Thus far the only physical longevity worth noting seems to be exhibited by only one at a time according to Atticus. Awe inspiring if it were to be possible for more. Hmmm. Some thoughts should be kept to oneself. Oh, wait. Human potential to know all. Hmmm.

Anyway, Choosing to live in non duality as best as my dogmatic upbringing will allow is my aim. Death of this body if I must but I'd rather go down hoping for peace on earth and Love for all mankind than closing off my heart. Potential for paradise, just like Bill. It's worth spending some imagination/ reflection time on.

[East Sun]

Charles said he was sent to deal with Bill. If it was his Master who was not happy with Bill I wonder what he (master) was afraid of Bill doing? If Charles really had a change of heart then he is a go between the two. What could an ancient entity with wisdom beyond anyone else not want Bill to reveal, eventually, to the public? It would definitely be something on a monumental scale. Something that can now be negotiated. That sounds good IF we are kept up with what's happening.
Maybe the master is just a top ranking ptb figure who is human and like the rest of us and using ages of existing as a ploy to prevent their downfall. That could happen as things are changing. Would you trust such a person to make a fair deal. I would not--they could later break all agreements. All this is 'maybe,' of course so I'm searching just like all of us.
This too will pass and we'll be bored searching for something else, maybe...

[Fury Ra]

Posted by plumr2007 (here)
I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

Who is Charles?

[Hawkwind]

Posted by East Sun (here)
Charles said he was sent to deal with Bill. If it was his Master who was not happy with Bill I wonder what he (master) was afraid of Bill doing?

I don't remember the exact source of this story. It may have been from Morning of Magicians, but I'm not sure. In any case, it goes something like this:

Once upon a time there was a great and powerful civilization called Atlantis. One day the best and brightest alchemist/magician in the kingdom decided to run an experiment, but failed to follow the prescribed safety protocols and get approval from the council of elders. The experiment went awry and destroyed the entire civilization.

Now, I have no idea if this story is in any part based on fact. I do know, however, that if I were a surviving elder of such of a society, I'd want to make damned sure that no such accidents ever happened again. Perhaps it is that level of knowledge which we were getting close to.

[plumr2007]

My purpose in starting this thread is this. While we may all grow as a result of this topic of Charles then that growth may be built on a lie. I'm in the construction business ( not the tearing down business ) and I know that you can't build a meaningful structure on a foundation of sand. It will collapse. This Charles character is a self confessed " hit man " , he works for people whose very existence is the opposite of truth and enlightenment. At least he says he does. I grew up in a section of the Bronx called Arthur Ave. ( little Italy ) . In this neighborhood everyone " had an uncle in the Mafia " . If that were true they would have to rename the Mafia The Uncles Club. 99% of them were full of you know what.
My father used to own a deli and one day one of these " pinky ring gangsters " ( that's what my dad called them ) came into the store and threw a pastrami sandwich at my mother. When my father ( a golden gloves boxer ) jumped over the counter you never saw a " Tough guy " run so fast. Most of these pinky ring gangsters are full of hot air and themselves.
So I guess my concern is that the members and Bill , who I respect tremendously, will lose their critical thinking and become infatuated with this Guy Ritchie type of scenario and lose perspective. Thank you all for your help and comments . Love conquers all. And a good right cross.

[Fury Ra]

Posted by 72MAV27 (here)
i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

My thoughts exactly in regards to over population!!! As it's all a matter of what perspective your looking at it from.

[East Sun]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)
I don't remember the exact source of this story. It may have been from Morning of Magicians, but I'm not sure. In any case, it goes something like this:

Once upon a time there was a great and powerful civilization called Atlantis. One day the best and brightest alchemist/magician in the kingdom decided to run an experiment, but failed to follow the prescribed safety protocols and get approval from the council of elders. The experiment went awry and destroyed the entire civilization.

Now, I have no idea if this story is in any part based on fact. I do know, however, that if I were a surviving elder of such of a society, I'd want to make damned sure that no such accidents ever happened again. Perhaps it is that level of knowledge which we were getting close to.

I'm familiar with the Atlantis story from the revelations through Edgar Cayce and heard about the writings of Plato on what's believed by some to be the islands of Atlantis. (They had different names). Anyway Atlantis would be far more than 5,000 years old, I believe. That's what C. said his master's age is. That would be 3,000 BC. What happened then might mean something.

[Nela]

This post triggered an interesting question to ponder.
Can anyone really be "taken out" just like that? I don't know and can not claim this to be true, but here is an interesting idea:
A person can not be killed if their intent made in a different, higher state of being (before incarnation) is to fulfill ceratin misson and if lessons that the entity whishes to learn
do not resonate with the experiance of being a victim in this way. That would be a certain statement of free will on one level. Next, if an incarnated being (having its own free will up to a certain level), in spite of being veiled and to certain extent "blind" to this higher intent, release need to control its life experiance and fear for its own life and dedicate itself to that incarnational mission in a state of faith, this intent can not be negated by any entity in the same plane of existance (i.e. within the game), so it can not be killed. There must be something that prevents this, otherwise they would just "take out" anyone who starts to awaken, and therefore any potential "problem" would be removed even before it has any chance of becoming a problem.

What are your opinion on this?

[steve_a]

Hi Nela,

We must agree to disagree with our points of view. Friendship remains the same.

It wasn't us that brought Charles to the forum, nor us that wrote the headlines, nor promoted the importance to what Charles had to say. It is for the person who did do those things to at least know if the person is who they say they are and has the credentials to prove it. To blindly open space for anyone declare what they want, even endorsing them, would be a very irresponsible thing to do at the minimum.

I'm sure that if Bill smelled a rat he would come forward and say so especially since the Charles subject generated so much interest. After all, it is he who has direct contact with the bloke.

Best regards,

Steve

[araucaria]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.


Steve

I thought Bill had lost all credibility with the Serpo business?! I expect he'd just eat his hat, buy a headscarf or something, and carry on as before. And so would we.
'His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery' (James Joyce)

[DaveW58]

Like a few others on the thread, this is my first post on the board. I've been (somewhat irregularly) coming to look at Avalon (and previously Camelot) but I never felt compelled to join up until I saw the Charles material. It's not that I didn't like what I was reading before now, it's just that I didn't think that I had anything to offer (I still feel a little bit like that). Anyway, in my experience of looking at the site, one of the most intriguing things before now was Bill's Anglo Saxon Mission film. I came back looking to see if there was anything more about that and was quite blown away by the new stuff.

It is very intriguing - and if it is all true then it is very serious, but the puzzle reminds me a lot of the fictional TV series LOST where everyone wanted to know about Jacob - and whole websites were spawned from the concept, with endless threads debating what may or may not be happening. That's just one impression I get, y'know - it's nowhere near the sum of what I think, but the 'intrigue factor' has something of a similar resonance.

Anyway, I'm very impressed with the way the site is run and all you good people. Please carry on.

[Nela]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi Nela,

We must agree to disagree with our points of view. Friendship remains the same.

It wasn't us that brought Charles to the forum, nor us that wrote the headlines, nor promoted the importance to what Charles had to say. It is for the person who did do those things to at least know if the person is who they say they are and has the credentials to prove it. To blindly open space for anyone declare what they want, even endorsing them, would be a very irresponsible thing to do at the minimum.

I'm sure that if Bill smelled a rat he would come forward and say so especially since the Charles subject generated so much interest. After all, it is he who has direct contact with the bloke.

Best regards,

Steve

Yes, I see your point, and I agree. And to be honest, if I were faced with the choice of bringing this information out in the open without being able to verify its truthfulness, I wouldn't do so. I also to a certain degree agree with Kerry's view on this situation. But I also understand when this kind of decision is made from a different standing point- a point that every encounter is meaningful and that everything should be out into the open, and that sometimes we might miss certain valuable gems of knowledge by being too judgmental and by expecting truth revealing to be done in a certain form. Maybe the whole story is not at all what it seems to be at face value (judging by the impact it had, I would say that there is a certain resonance between us and Charles for better or worse and that something has been set into motion on the levels behind this "questions and answers" part). Anyway, whatever it turns out to be, I am still glad Bill decided to share it. And would still consider Bill as a credible truth-seeker, in the sense that he can be misled (like each of us), but he is not corrupted (somewhat rare occurrence in this exotic world we share).

[RAKMEiSTER]

how distracted can a forum get. lmao. and i still stick with same view asbefore, without change its just more of the same. i layer revealed just shows their not on top of the game just part. they picked the wrong partner long ago. now they pay the price. oneway or the other. so lets see what hapends. something solid/irl not 100 more threads about the lol false prophet "charles" i know im using a big contextual terms but on purpose ;D. /me goes back to irc seeing whats going on.