Zen Gardner Exposed & Spotlight on Alt Media

[Daozen]

It's OK to screw up, screw up badly, and then redeem yourself.

The question is, why is the alt media filled with people who have dubious pasts: Wilcock, Cobra, Red Dragons, Blue Avians, Keshe, Simon Parkes... <= In many of these cases, the misuse of trust, time, energy and funds is ongoing in 2016.

Zen may be an exception, but the pattern is clear with the others. It's OK to screw up, but why are these people being positioned as leaders? A lot of the responsibility for choosing these people has to fall on the alt media audience itself. It's not like anyone was ever forced to watch their videos.

[boutreality]

I believe Wilcock claims a "direct-secure-secret" connection to Cobra/BLue Avians etc.
Who's to say he and cohorts did not make this up, given his track record I say it's time we conclude that's more likely than his constant justifications for perpetual false predictions and deflated expectations.
It's why I compare him to the seed-money preachers I was taking about, that's why he does this- there is money to be taken and people to be had.

[TargeT]

Posted by boutreality (here)
Wilcock .....I compare him to the seed-money preachers I was taking about, that's why he does this- there money to be taken and people to be had.

Fulford too

I couldn't agree more.

these toxic individuals energetically leech from everyone who spends time on their material; I wish more people were aware of how bad things like this are.

The Alt media seems rife with these types.. its sad really.

[Cidersomerset]

Zen continuing his path.........



Reading Signs and Synchronicity on the Spiritual Path
By Zen Gardner -
25/08/2016

http://www.zengardner.com/reading-si...piritual-path/

Home.....
http://www.zengardner.com/

[Citizen No2]

Sam Hunter wrote:

My problem with so many in the alternative community is how they too often (metaphorically) wish to hang someone [I]for a past that they appear to have dealt with, in some cases magnificently[I]. Because I believe each case is unique, I did as much research as I can regarding Zen Gardner and when I saw that last video... IF what Zen Gardner said in that video is the honest truth, its my opinion this man has emerged to be quite a good guy, an example that someone can go through a process of self redemption and that and become an asset to the world and a positive example to others who may have similar pasts.

Sam, it's not a wish to 'hang someone'........ You have to understand that.

As I have stated early-on in this thread, I f****d my life up pretty bad, and not just mine, my GF, kids and family. I still feel great shame sometimes about that period. Having come through all of that sh*t I know see it as a great lesson. It gave me the space and time to really work on myself. I now have a business and employ twelve people, I go and talk to primary school children with a community police officer about the dangers of drug addiction (not drugs per se, drug addiction), I practice meditation, I go to classes............ I try and be the best version of me that I can be. So when I say that I 'get' the whole second chance thing, what I really mean is: I GET IT. In certain situations I have to bring this subject up (ex drug addict) because I realise that a potential client has a good chance of finding out and understand how they may feel and react. I address it so as not to make it a negative. It's dealt with and in the open. They are then in a position to make an informed choice as to whether they would like to do business with my company or not.

My business is not in the business of public speaking or attracting members to a web-site/forum. My business does not advise people on spiritual matters and how one should lead their life................ If it was, I would damn-near make sure that any possible skeletons in my cupboard were out in the open, right from the get-go, for the same reasons as I have just stated above. Can you not see how failing to do so could be problematic in the future...... a- la Zen Gardner? Had he been absolutely truthful from the beginning, people then have a more rounded choice as to whether this is the type of guy they wish to 'follow'.

We have become our own worst enemies Pal, knowingly or not. This whole community, this forum and all others, are going to reel when more of these Truth Warriors are exposed as liars, criminals, paedophiles and con-men/women who have not been truthful and honest with their audience. And it also raises questions about whistleblowers who have contacted them and been publicised/pushed by these people. How is that going to effect their information, their credibility? These Truth Warriors are not like the guy who lives down the street who messed up and is now trying to just get on with his life........... Making that assumption is a fallacy. Truth Warriors have the ear of their audience, sometime tens of thousands of people and in some cases almost a cult-like following, ergo, they have Power and Influence.

I hope you can see my point. You may not agree with it, and that's fine, but you need not ask anymore why this is a witch-hunt or public hanging because that is the last thing it is. These people themselves decided to put themselves 'out there' and in most cases have been raised-up on a pedestal. We have the right...... No, the duty, to ask the difficult questions in order to make a more informed choice.


@ Daozen:

The question is, why is the alt media filled with people who have dubious pasts: Wilcock, Cobra, Red Dragons, Blue Avians, Keshe, Simon Parkes... <= In many of these cases, the misuse of trust, time, energy and funds is ongoing in 2016.

Yeah. Because nobody performs due diligence possibly? An easy place to hide..... Out in the open, and with willing and complicit victims.


R

[boutreality]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by boutreality (here)
Wilcock .....I compare him to the seed-money preachers I was taking about, that's why he does this- there money to be taken and people to be had.

Fulford too

I couldn't agree more.

these toxic individuals energetically leech from everyone who spends time on their material; I wish more people were aware of how bad things like this are.

The Alt media seems rife with these types.. its sad really.

I heard that he had a role in introducing Fulford back when DW was on about the "trillions" of gold in Asian banks and a lawsuit that would bring a windfall of money to the entire world, or something just as unbelievable.
I wonder what past the two might share.
I googled allegations against Wilcock and they did not come easy.

That must take money, maybe he spends his donations on Google list priority buys; or now that he's on the History channel they buy it for him.

[TargeT]

Posted by boutreality (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by boutreality (here)
Wilcock .....I compare him to the seed-money preachers I was taking about, that's why he does this- there money to be taken and people to be had.

Fulford too

I couldn't agree more.

these toxic individuals energetically leech from everyone who spends time on their material; I wish more people were aware of how bad things like this are.

The Alt media seems rife with these types.. its sad really.

I heard that he had a role in introducing Fulford back when DW was on about the "trillions" of gold in Asian banks and a lawsuit that would bring a windfall of money to the entire world, or something just as unbelievable.
I wonder what past the two might share.
I googled allegations against Wilcock and they did not come easy.

That must take money, maybe he spends his donations on Google list priority buys; or now that he's on the History channel they buy it for him.

it stinks of CO-INTEL-PRO....... we already know what google is doing to election based searches (hillary bias)... that is CERTAINLY not the only way they skew information..



........the best way to control your subjects information is to BE their source....


I put many Alt "stars" (alex jones, Ron Paul etc..) in this category as well.

in fact, any large scale movement is questionable for me... Those are what is targeted & manipulated/CO-OPed or just taken over.


Lots of discernment tests for us out there..

[Omni]

Posted by TargeT (here)
in fact, any large scale movement is questionable for me... Those are what is targeted & manipulated/CO-OPed or just taken over.

The military industrial complex has a bead on people's potentials before they manifest in themselves. They knew I had musical potential before I was a musician, and knew I would go on to make activist films before the thought had crossed my mind. They know about the potential leaders before anyone else does. Lets say Bruce Lee dies, they have an AI tracking babies to find his soul(which might not be too hard for some older souls), they would have him psyche profiled from his past life to some degree, and psyche profiled from this life also before he even identifies his own identity. This is the current state of technology in the military industrial complex.

Alt media has always been a good bit bastardized IMO. DARPA didn't give us the internet without a contingency plan to counter a truth movement. Electromagnetic mind control programs have been taking place for like half a century. They have largely gone by completely secretly.

Lots of discernment tests for us out there..

Yep.

[boutreality]

Omniverse,

It's like you answered my call!
Earlier in this thread I discredited an argument in defense of ZG and Simon Parkes, in part because it looked like channelled information and asked people to avail themselves of information in your threads, and here that information is.
Well done Sir!

[Cidersomerset]

I do not follow Simons work , but had to answer his Aug update posted today.

Simon Parkes' warning for Germany
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1092849

Same with many others in different parts of the community . Nick Pope really
annoys me and is a MI 5 plant imo which he all but admits , frequently using his
security oath as an excuse not to disclose any real information . Wilcock , Fulford
and others , I do not follow much , but its about connecting dots for me and many
different subjects unrelated seem to come together. When I first got the web and
found Camelot in 2005/6. All I was wanted to know are UFO's real and where
do they come from etc ?

I followed mainstream politics , history , Scy -fy and documentaries of all kinds
so have always been geo - political.A decade later I have many different threads
about all types of topics and a lot of them do connect and we tend to repeat history
in cycles . I am still learning as I go along and as David Icke has said for years
2016/17/18 are pivotal years and this years seems to be ramping up with Brexit,
Us elections and more. Yes David can get his interpretations wrong as well and
I do not agree with all his views , but he is one of the genuine researchers imo....

This is a good little interview in which thru Nicks usual double talk
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1087420

Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...k-4-March-2015

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
I found great comfort that there is a ground-swell taking place of like-minded individuals, individuals that have had enough of being lied to, of being deceived and being presented with ever more fanciful stories that are served-up without so much as basic due diligence.

I don't know much about Zen Gardner either but I know that even within our relatively small online community, we've had at least two people from amongst ourselves (Corey Goode and Shane "the Ruiner") who were either catapulted into the larger "alternative" limelight or almost were, because they were lying to everybody and not enough people were holding them to critical questions to try to probe how much they really know about what they're talking about.

In some sense we are all responsible when charlatans get us to buy into their stories, because to blindly believe anyone is to be giving our power away. I understand that plausible deniability is a thing, but I also think it's exaggerated. I would rather have a hard fact any day.

[Chester]

Hi Citizen No2 -

I have been traveling today and have fires to put out before I respond to this post but I did want to quickly post back that this was a very good post. I hope to start responding again tonight. Again, thanks for the very good post.

[Daozen]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
in fact, any large scale movement is questionable for me... Those are what is targeted & manipulated/CO-OPed or just taken over.

The military industrial complex has a bead on people's potentials before they manifest in themselves. They knew I had musical potential before I was a musician, and knew I would go on to make activist films before the thought had crossed my mind. They know about the potential leaders before anyone else does. Lets say Bruce Lee dies, they have an AI tracking babies to find his soul(which might not be too hard for some older souls), they would have him psyche profiled from his past life to some degree, and psyche profiled from this life also before he even identifies his own identity. This is the current state of technology in the military industrial complex.

Alt media has always been a good bit bastardized IMO. DARPA didn't give us the internet without a contingency plan to counter a truth movement. Electromagnetic mind control programs have been taking place for like half a century. They have largely gone by completely secretly.

Lots of discernment tests for us out there..

Yep.

I think what you said about soul-tracking, and knowing what people will do in the future is true, but many people miss the fact that there are 'white hat' civilizations with similar, if not better technology who are providing protection for potential displacers. We're still here, right? If it was just "DARPA and the NWO against the helpless people." we would have all been dead and imprisoned long ago. There is a balance of forces, and a wide field of free choice. The mountains and subterranean are laced with several civilizations, some bad, some good. What swings the balance are the choices we make in our daily lives: what we focus on, what we create, what food and nutrition we eat, what timeline we build.

If DARPA are so all-knowing, why is the internet out of their control, and why is there an explosion of benevolent technology in the public domain right now? 3D printing, hydroponics, organic food, advanced nutrition, longevity technology, fintech. All these movements can be partially subverted, but they can't stop it all.

The faction in control of the media in these parts does not want people to know about our benevolent neighbours. They will do anything to deny or distract from their existence. The only writing they let through are chanelled materials, which superficially raise interest, but ultimately kill hope, because they are so obviously unbelievable.

What do your sources tell you about this subject? It's worth considering this viewpoint without immediately dismissing it as a "Psy-op".

[Omni]

Posted by Daozen (here)
What do your sources tell you about this subject? It's worth considering this viewpoint without immediately dismissing it as a "Psy-op".

All valid points that I agree with. My "sources" (<-- your language, not mine) are exactly that, some of the counterbalance.

[boutreality]

I'm comfortable saying we have a psyop with tentacles that reach into all areas of the Alt Media; any topic they cover.

When it comes to basic behaviors, when you have a marketplace made up of individuals that need to produce a story; a body of themes that will intrigue if just enough so-called "details" are relayed regularly enough, you need enough characters to tell that story.
So the new "whistleblower" gets added to the cycle and once in, they become part of the "if one of us goes down we all go down- for fraud; for giving our endorsements to one another, many of whom, it seems are of disreputable character to say the least.

A self-enforced paradigm; hardly anyone in the Alt Media scene or community needs to knowingly be a psyop agent; the model runs itself.

When the area covered is the New Age- I believe that the NWO has a vested interest in keeping that cycle going. I just posted what are solid enough links to conclude that the New Age movement was founded and still exists today as part of Nazi/NWO system of mental and emotional controls, "brain-being washing" at the end of my "Nazis, NWO and the New Age thread." -It's a troubling conclusion to make, but the link is there. I link to the post here, check it out, if interested.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1092946

Refer to the self enforcing paradigm model -not every New Age personality needs to know they are being used to control others- and the same, "If doubt is cast on one it hurt us all. -In the pocketbook."

[Chester]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
Hi Citizen No2 -

I have been traveling today and have fires to put out before I respond to this post but I did want to quickly post back that this was a very good post. I hope to start responding again tonight. Again, thanks for the very good post.

Hi, after carefully considering going further in this thread, a bigger picture view fell into place. I realize that my responses would continue descending into a morass of details which (maybe) I have finally learned serves only one purpose... that being to distract attention from the things that actually matter most (at least to me and perhaps a few others whose experience I respect).

[boutreality]

Sam-

As a thread, I feel the Alt Community is being served well- a depository of questionable figures that promulgate Alternative stories who, once found to be of "diminished character, " have doubt cast on all info they provided.

Is that the agenda? - To negate valid contributions once allegations against these persons are proven? Or is there a larger network of interest at work through the Alt Media? -As I suggest in my last post here.

Trusting your discernment regarding the value of anything you'd add to this thread, for whatever reasons you see as valid, I hope we can agree that you resolving to follow what sources you consider valid (kudos there- needed to be said) does not undo this thread's worth.

[TargeT]

Posted by Daozen (here)
I think what you said about soul-tracking, and knowing what people will do in the future is true, but many people miss the fact that there are 'white hat' civilizations with similar, if not better technology who are providing protection for potential displacers. We're still here, right? If it was just "DARPA and the NWO against the helpless people." we would have all been dead and imprisoned long ago. There is a balance of forces,

Or, it could be..

That "they" are very small and very few in number

and WE are very great in number...

I cannot think like "they" I couldn't do what they do & I like to hope that this is how 99% of people are.

in my mind they are loosing control because, it's damn hard to plan for all the contingencies present in a 7 BILLION+ mind sphere..

The internet is our power source currently, but that's only with half of the worlds population using it... HALF!

I think a case could certainly be built that the majority of actions are human based & the slippage of control is due to their dogmatic ways that were never designed for near instantaneous communication between the common man; however, I still am not convinced that we are "winning" by any means, as the average person still watches TV and parrots what they hear the next day... I think "TPTB" are still firmly in control with their long standing basses of power that have amassed so much kinetic energy it will be very hard to displace them.

[boutreality]

iIm about to the point where simply listing names is fraudulent Personalities suffices, here's one:

In 1991, Ralph Amrigon changed his name to Alex Collier, after being released from federal prison on tax fraud charges, (working as an accountant without a license) and then began lecturing about alleged alien contact with the Pleaidians.
He made dozens of specific predictions based on what the aliens told him. None of his predictions came true.

I can see Daozen's point, "It's the viewer/listener's fault for giving him an audience." Still he should have been dis-invited from the "circuit of Alien/Conspiracy Expos long before he went relatively silent, but to fill the roster of speakers- as opposed to the backers of such events coming out against him.

Perhaps it's as simple as a For Entertainment Purposes Only message.
What's sad is that this simple addition would do a lot, but is likely to be fought tooth and nail.

[Enola]

I'd almost forgotten about Chanter. I listened to him for a bit in May, before I started listening to the "Out of darkness, Into the light" podcast guy, who's better.

I'm not that interested in Alternative media drama. I'd rather learn about something useful, like development of consciousness or alternative health. But Chanter isn't so bad, he brings some common sense to the table, which doesn't really hurt.