Admissions (After life)

[Camilo]

https://youtu.be/2rBwX_CpcxA

Published on Sep 4, 2013

The past and the future don't really exist. The only thing you need to be concerned with is right now.

[joeecho]

And even that is suspect.

[Sueanne47]

Great video! all I can say is ~

[raff]

Yes but what happens to them if they can't forgive? Where would they go?

[Camilo]

Posted by raff (here)
Yes but what happens to them if they can't forgive? Where would they go?

I think no-one can answer that for you. The answer is within.

[raff]

Posted by Camilo (here)

Posted by raff (here)
Yes but what happens to them if they can't forgive? Where would they go?

I think no-one can answer that for you. The answer is within.

You can't have one without the other, it doesn't make sense (heaven and hell.) What if you can't forgive your murderers or oppressors? What if you couldn't go to heaven due to the pain and suffering you caused? Don't you think there would need to be some arbitration to do an honest appraisal and judgment due to the unresolved conflict existing between both parties (people can be dishonest even in the spirit world you know)

Sorry but this clip is pish and piffle and a denial of the logic that conflict resolution requires, nay demands resolution. Great if everyone can forgive then let love take us home (or a temporary one at that) It is said "as above so below" so how many people when confronted with their abusers AND have the ability to condemn them to equal suffering would not demand that?
What do you think logically speaking (or even spiritually speaking) would be the JUST and HONEST process?
And even if they were told the truth of their karma what would happen to those who's hate could not be extinguished?

Having a loving creator and being created from love what would love do to save us from this turmoil? would it pluck us from our predicament or even impell/remind us to love unconditionally and quit this troubled sphere? (If He was so nicey, nicey why would He stick us in this torture chamber in the first place? )If so what would be the point of this earthly experience? Do you honestly think the creator of this war driven, mad house of a universe would rob us of our experience of consequences? And allow/create a place where this hell could be a purifying sin sewer that eventually cleans the negative charge against the evil doer?

I guess we can't be too angry or deprecating towards the big fella after all we're all volunteers in this mad house. But then again I'm not sure our souls are all that sane in the first place. But my guess is that Mr G has bitten off more than He can chew imho.
But maybe we're all suckers for a just and heroic cause. I just hope the payoff is worth it. But if I get the "life is its own reward" platitude then I need to reconsider my choices.

[Satori]

Posted by raff (here)
Yes but what happens to them if they can't forgive? Where would they go?

There would be no spiritual growth in that event, and they would stay where they are. But where is that? I am convinced heaven and hell, so-called, are constructs made by or for us. These constructs, and many others, exist in this plane and only in our minds--if at all.

[raff]

That doesn't make sense to me sorry mate. Then this world, this experience is all in the mind? What like a computer simulator, a game perhaps and that nothing in this world is actually real? Then nothing is of value only what you decide I suppose. But then what would be the point of coming here in the first place especially if you knew that it was going to be a big pile of doo doo? I for one would not come here. I'm not that effing bored. And besides if this is all unimportant like computer game why can't I leave/finish when I want to? (and there be no ramifications from that)

[Sueanne47]

Hi there Raff,
There are certain members of my family I hate because they've hurt me so much. If I didnt forgive them in my mind, then it would leave me bitter and twisted with anger for the rest of my life...why should I let them rule and cause me to have negative energy & unhappiness? I'd much rather cut them loose and let god deal with these people instead!.

Sue

[raff]

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
Hi there Raff,
There are certain members of my family I hate because they've hurt me so much. If I didnt forgive them in my mind, then it would leave me bitter and twisted with anger for the rest of my life...why should I let them rule and cause me to have negative energy & unhappiness? I'd much rather cut them loose and let god deal with these people instead!.

Sue

Thank you Sueanne47 that is very decent of you but my point is that there are many people who don't have that kind and wise heart that you have. What would happen to those that couldn't let go?

[Satori]

Posted by raff (here)
That doesn't make sense to me sorry mate. Then this world, this experience is all in the mind? What like a computer simulator, a game perhaps and that nothing in this world is actually real? Then nothing is of value only what you decide I suppose. But then what would be the point of coming here in the first place especially if you knew that it was going to be a big pile of doo doo? I for one would not come here. I'm not that effing bored. And besides if this is all unimportant like computer game why can't I leave/finish when I want to?

I hear you. But if I may say, I was not attempting to be absolute. Much depends on what is at issue.

[East Sun]

If you really could put yourself totally in someones mind/feelings and fears and they put their total mind in your

situation there would be oneness and total forgiveness. If? But that is not how we find ourselves.. We may have

been doctored with and have to learn to become perfect..It's going to take something far beyond us, if any such

thing exists. If not we will have to create a way............

[Sueanne47]

What would happen to those that couldn't let go?

Native Americans lost about 300 of their men, women & children by being massacred, yet they have forgiven the white man. God loves you Raff and feels your pain..and so do I you are better than the people you cant forgive!!! I feel sorry for my brothers because their bad ways will have repercussions in the afterlife.

[raff]

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)

What would happen to those that couldn't let go?

Native Americans lost about 300 of their men, women & children by being massacred, yet they have forgiven the white man. God loves you Raff and feels your pain..and so do I you are better than the people you cant forgive!!! I feel sorry for my brothers because their bad ways will have repercussions in the afterlife.

Your a real sweetie Susanne47

[ZooLife]

Posted by Sueanne47 (here)
Great video! all I can say is ~

The irony.

It's like attempting to remove the speck from someone's eye when all along it was in ones own. Film has it's inherent imperfections it seems.

[raff]

Posted by East Sun (here)
If you really could put yourself totally in someones mind/feelings and fears and they put their total mind in your

situation there would be oneness and total forgiveness. If? But that is not how we find ourselves.. We may have

been doctored with and have to learn to become perfect..It's going to take something far beyond us, if any such

thing exists. If not we will have to create a way............

I can't see 2 spirits merging if there is hate and/or fear/terror being felt. This would instantly tear the opposites apart. This merging can only really happen imo when the spirit is calm and free from these turmoils. And yes I believe there is an established way but that may be uncomfortable for some people to consider that being that there is a judge and a judgement.

[raff]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by raff (here)
That doesn't make sense to me sorry mate. Then this world, this experience is all in the mind? What like a computer simulator, a game perhaps and that nothing in this world is actually real? Then nothing is of value only what you decide I suppose. But then what would be the point of coming here in the first place especially if you knew that it was going to be a big pile of doo doo? I for one would not come here. I'm not that effing bored. And besides if this is all unimportant like computer game why can't I leave/finish when I want to?

I hear you. But if I may say, I was not attempting to be absolute. Much depends on what is at issue.

Well I would hope that all would pass over free from any conflict, terror or turmoil. But taking a hypothetical case where it has not been so that the passing came with deep suffering and resentment, what then?

[Callista]

The video is self-explanatory so I wont give an overview - experience it for yourself!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2rBwX_CpcxA

much love

Callista

[damian]

I was robbed and shot when I was 25 years old. On the way to the hospital, I made a promise that if I lived I would not seek revenge or hate the people that tried to kill me. The three men who committed the robbery were caught and I had to testify in court about the robbery. The men were found guilty and given lengthy prison sentences. About a year later I was asked to go back to court and testify again as one of the individuals was granted a mistrial on a technicality. I asked to speak to the judge before the trial and told him that I would prefer, as the victim that he be let go. The judge asked me why and I explained that I didn't think that spending the next 10 plus years in prison would make him a better person. I said that maybe by knowing that I forgave him , it might make a difference. The judge began the trial and about 20 minutes into it asked the defendant to stand and pointed to me and said, you robbed and tried to murder this man but he wants to let you go.
The judge dismissed the charges and let him go.
Getting shot was the best and worst day of my life. It was the worst because I almost died. It was the best because I had the opportunity to learn one of the biggest lessons of my life, and I feel that I got it right. Forgiveness.
I was able to carry this lesson with me and time and again when someone did something to hurt me I was able to remember that if I was able to forgive someone that tried to kill me than forgiving a lesser transgression, should be a lot easier. I don't always get it so quickly but eventually I do.

[raff]

Well Damian that is very decent of you. Excuse me while i tentavily step around your painful experience but what if that fellow went out of that courtroom and did the same robbery and caused pain and suffering to others ? What if he did? Would the decision to not allow some restrictions of this person's freedoms be a good thing ? I know some felons "go straight" after a prison term because they wish not to return to those sad, violent circumstances that prison brings.

You may have released this criminal from your conscience but I don't think (although I dont deny the possibility) that you have changed this criminals intent which is the point I've been trying to make all along about there would have to be some judgment, some purification of this person's spirit of the sin it has perpetrated and that a place would have to exist in order to carry that out.