The Middle East, and self-hatred

[6pounder]

hi every one
im not the best writer but ill try to make my point clear as much as possible (and hopefully get to it).

id like to put up some points about israel and the hatred that is being tought from parent to chiled towords arabs and a brain wash that stands behind it to divide and conquer the middle eastern population to push war and prevent peace.

in israel its a known fact that most of the israeli jew population have a constent hatred towords arabs. and id make it clear, ARABS, not muslims. its noticeable from a young age in schools, not thought by the teacher or the system but coming strait from parents.

there is a constant hatred but also a great fear. in my work place if there is an arab employee, usualy if there is a problem with his beheiviour, the maneger will call the security to deal with it instead of doing it himself and its always comes from fear that something might happen like the israeli maneger for some reason is weaker or lesser to that particular employee.

now id like to put the hatred in the spot light.
most of the israeli population is immigrants from arab countries. for example iraq, yamen, libiya lebanon and meny more. BUT, tho they are considered arabs, they do not see themselves this way. but yet, every average israeli will tell you that he hates arabs.

this issue of 'self hatred' is all orcastrated so that peace will never be achived since the israeli citizens do not realize they are eventualy fighting themselves. lets put aside
the language and political views. being an arab and claiming you hate arabs is a brain wash that can only be done by some one who want it to be. and that force is ofc, who else but the force who made israel to be in the first place.

a country, in the middle of the east, surrounded by only arab countries, that its citizens forgot who they are and are blind to their self hatred. that is my dear friends, a self antisemism without even being aware of that fact.

my last thought is that there can never be peace in here, not untill this whole country wakes up and realize who they are and ask itself who is their true enemy?

[Justplain]

Hi 6pounder, great points about this self-hatred thing. As long as this intolerance and lack of compassion for those different than oneself persists, this self-destructive pattern will continue. Have you noticed that perhaps the newer generations of isrealis are getting fedup with this nonsense?

[Andre]

6pounder, thank you. I don't think many people in the West are aware of the difference in the Israeli perspective (Arab vs. Muslim).

Let us hope that more Israelis wake-up to the fact that they are being used by global powers with the support of Israeli puppet politicians (including Netanyahu). It's the same everywhere. Even in Australia, the same global agenda that is happening in Europe is at work. That agenda is to increase Islamophobia so as to justify further invasions of Islamic nations. They are already moving on to make Russia the big enemy again. Nothing new. These same tricks have been used for thousands of years now and fortunately, more and more of humanity is becoming very tired of them.

[KiwiElf]

Thank you 6pounder. (You're a wise & very good writer btw ) This "programming", for lack of a better word, is predominant everywhere. One generation often passing to others. Admittedly, we don't have a large middle eastern population here but most I've seen or met are every bit as friendly as anyone else.

First time I really noticed this "international prejudice" was when I first began teaching varieties of Asian students; (I was a bit naive - most people here get along pretty well with each other!) eg Korean vs Japanese was very sad and particularly nasty, (because of WWII), and can be evidenced by hateful comments on YouTube etc for almost any culture. As I pointed out to these Korean students, they weren't even alive in WWII! They had largely been "taught" to hate Japanese by their parents & grandparents.

Ironically, most of the Japanese Restaurants in NZ are actually owned & run by Koreans!

I had an Uncle who was captured as a POW by the Germans; he absolutely hated ANY Germans. Period. (And the only cars he ever bought after the War, were VW Beetles!)

Go figure.

Nonetheless, the hatred continues.

[Ewan]

A small synchronicity there, I woke up this morning thinking about the Israeli situation. I just watched a film last night by Hany Abu-Assad called Omar. Sadly most of the world is complicit in the Israeli/Palastine situation as we watch from afar and shake our heads and there it ends. There's bias in news reporting and govts say one thing and do the other. As individual humans we feel powerless even if we think far enought to consider, 'What can I do about it'. I conclude we are all subjected to a psychological programming, wherever the 'west' and their education system has been.

Thanks for the post 6pounder.

[6pounder]

Posted by Justplain (here)
Have you noticed that perhaps the newer generations of isrealis are getting fedup with this nonsense?

the nonsense that every newborn in israel is fed up with is that when their parents and grandparents are from iraq, they are not arabs but, they are IRAQIES. when your families origins are in libiya you are not a libiyan you are from TRIPOLY. and so on and on.... but NO you are not an arab.

[jimrich]

Posted by Justplain (here)
Hi 6pounder, great points about this self-hatred thing. As long as this intolerance and lack of compassion for those different than oneself persists, this self-destructive pattern will continue. Have you noticed that perhaps the newer generations of isrealis are getting fedup with this nonsense?

Perhaps the newer generations will finally STOP teaching and training their innocent kids to hate and fear others. Lets hope the patterns of love and respect happen in the whole world - and soon.

[happyuk]

This is absurd and asinine behaviour when you consider that Arabs and Israelis are essentially the same race of people - Semites.

[delfine]

Posted by 6pounder (here)
hi every one
im not the best writer but ill try to make my point clear as much as possible (and hopefully get to it).

id like to put up some points about israel and the hatred that is being tought from parent to chiled towords arabs and a brain wash that stands behind it to divide and conquer the middle eastern population to push war and prevent peace.

in israel its a known fact that most of the israeli jew population have a constent hatred towords arabs. and id make it clear, ARABS, not muslims. its noticeable from a young age in schools, not thought by the teacher or the system but coming strait from parents.

there is a constant hatred but also a great fear. in my work place if there is an arab employee, usualy if there is a problem with his beheiviour, the maneger will call the security to deal with it instead of doing it himself and its always comes from fear that something might happen like the israeli maneger for some reason is weaker or lesser to that particular employee.

now id like to put the hatred in the spot light.
most of the israeli population is immigrants from arab countries. for example iraq, yamen, libiya lebanon and meny more. BUT, tho they are considered arabs, they do not see themselves this way. but yet, every average israeli will tell you that he hates arabs.

this issue of 'self hatred' is all orcastrated so that peace will never be achived since the israeli citizens do not realize they are eventualy fighting themselves. lets put aside
the language and political views. being an arab and claiming you hate arabs is a brain wash that can only be done by some one who want it to be. and that force is ofc, who else but the force who made israel to be in the first place.

a country, in the middle of the east, surrounded by only arab countries, that its citizens forgot who they are and are blind to their self hatred. that is my dear friends, a self antisemism without even being aware of that fact.

my last thought is that there can never be peace in here, not untill this whole country wakes up and realize who they are and ask itself who is their true enemy?

I see your point, but at least the hate from jews to arabs is not as bad as the hate from arabs to jews. Jews don´t indoctrinate their children to hate arabs through childrens TV-shows, in kindergarten etc. like the palestinians do.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jqOdAZLBDhA

[transiten]

That was some horrible info above but the parents also have been brainwashed. Of course they are responsible for the upbringing of their children but the global elite who is running this planet is the most responsible. I prefer the word word "reponsible" before "blame".

[KiwiElf]

Clearly shows where YouTube "is at" in this ... programming

[sunpaw]

Thank you for the insight.

I think the fear is a problem. Which then fuels the hatred.
And regarding 'self-hatred' - I think its root is fear too -- from survival instinct.
I don't think its 'only' brain wash - and it might goes as far as rooted in DNA.
Not as much from where someone is (knowing and 'teaching'), which 'group' they are labeled - but from experience, also from ancestors - hence DNA.

Stemming from some region, country - doesn't mean one has automatically 'liking' rooted in their existence.
I know that from myself. So I don't identify with 'my' fellow 'group of born at the same country', sometimes I simply 'loath' being 'labeled' in that group and don't like 'the fellow' even.
Not sure about hate - but if so - I also don't see it as 'self-hatred'.
Just because we have a 'place' in common - I didn't choose (if leaving 'choosing - incarnation' aside).
I don't identify 'just in general' with the population. I don't need to like 'them' - and of course short cuts (prejudice) kick in sometime.
However, I 'like' the country I live in. Which became such by people - and I admire that and I am grateful. Yet again 'the group of people I would be counted to' often don't/aren't (which is one point why I don't want be in that 'pod'). And also interestingly I 'found my roots' where I never would have imagined.

Anyway - a while back I also was thinking about why people seem to strongly dislike certain others.
Of course parents have an influence - but not as given. So 'brain wash' doesn't apply to every child, besides parents having those 'traits'.
So how does that happen? I wondered.
The refugee 'crisis' sort of brought that more to light for me.
While I grew up I also was confronted with 'hate' toward 'different'. And as a young adult I identified I was taking, carrying fear.
It were personal experiences which caused fear in those persons - and they rather acted 'mouthy'. Not as much as feeling 'superior' as in racist, but rather actually feeling helpless in a personal situation and then putting on 'a show'.
However if such is experienced by a larger group - it can be about survival. Which somehow can get written into DNA - so the offspring has a better chance to survive similar threads. Its in regards being 'compatible' - which, even though our sense to smell is limited - THIS is NOTICED by the brain. And 'alert' is - because its important FOR survival - easily triggered, easily expanded and not accessible through 'thought' but rather actual experience, which needs to be plenty to 'grow' more prominent than the 'alert paths'. (Neuro-biology)

So 'feeling' drawn to someone isn't only preferences 'learned' - but also (to my understanding) rooted in genes.
My genes don't root in the country I was born in. And my ancestors also experienced being refugees themselves. And due to their life experience later, my family became sort of refugees. Which given the time 'now' wasn't labeled as such - but they felt drawn to leave. I however 'ended' back where I started - and found also someone who has an ancestry background like I do, from another region.
So my guess was - the 'survivors' had a different thinking pattern, which was enough important to be a part of DNA passed on.
Not only 'regions' matter (DNA variety) , but what people experienced during their times. Way back. When features/smells stuck in ones brain identified as 'friend/enemy' - so the offspring already 'got the plan' of what to be 'on alert' for or not.

Israels population today has its roots also way back - and a great deal of fear traveled with. Even if people weren't directly/personally threatened, on some level they identified with - and its one main/prominent part passed on. Not as much as in 'talks' or 'brain wash', but also genes. So offspring hopefully NEVER will have to through that horror. (Stress, trauma can alter DNA)
And there were also people 'immune' to 'brain wash' - who had to be careful in order to 'fight against'. To survive by identifying 'friend/enemy' - which (my guess) is passed on too. And getting to know 'stories', to identify with - which 'side': nourishes the 'alert' system or the counter part.
Which is why some people feel safe or unsafe when 'confronted' with 'groups', unable to express why and also why its harder to 'change someones mind'. Which would ACTUALLY need to be exponentially fuel counter (to fear) parts to the alert system. The alert system itself can't be changed through thoughts (information, hearing, reading), and experience (good experience though) expanded.

Even though I 'heard' stories of why certain groups of people are bad or less - even as a kid I 'acted'. Sometimes to my surprise (as in 'am I crazy?? Just be quiet' - to also notice 'nah, no worry, I got that or plans 'to survive' - thoughts though). To confront a bully. And since my Greatgrandma was like that, my mom at times too - I GUESSED I got this in genes, not just the knowledge of how my ancestors were. Because I wasn't taught how to see, confront, prepare too. It just happened..

Long story short - I think that certain thought patterns have their roots in DNA, unfortunately. However, silver lining: with different experiences there can 'grow' different path ways (brain cell connections) - as a counter to the 'alert', more prominent at that time.

Which - I think - starts with acknowledging/seeing the fear.
Not expecting a certain behavior due to appearance identified as 'member of group looking/knowing coming from wherever'.
'Arabs' living in Israel might have rooted experience of 'wanting something different and going there even though its not easy'.
Expecting they act like 'not from Israel', because they 'look different even' - is like pushing them back to where their ancestors felt the want/need to flee or move on. And some have roots to Europe - where in their history is a great pain and fear. So even expecting someone 'be different', 'take on regional behavioral labels' - pushing them towards that pain and fear. Even though they were born way later.
Another point of course is 'fear of being pushed away due to limited space'. Which might get 'fueled' by want to just live free and safe. Which is expressed through violence then often - which comes from the fear. And as the post indicates not faced with trust, but with caution: have security deal with that person.
Who might be a nice person, treated like a threat. So this person starts caution/alert: being nice doesn't bring me good bc I 'look' diff or 'they KNOW' my roots.
So of course they don't identify with 'Arab' - because this is a trigger to fear and harsh consequences.

A change may come to just think (having thoughts), fill the inner with: no matter your roots, looks like 'you or your ancestors made it'. Which is nice - because otherwise they would have died elsewhere probably. Moving might took courage, to leave known behind. I might leave too somewhere - which I see as my right. The right to seek a place where I can live, survive, grow then. If so I'd wanted people see no threat in me - so I'll might start to provide that here, right now for 'you'. You're not a threat just because your parents or grandparents were born elsewhere. I am aware you might feel the need to act out - to protect yourself. But there wouldn't be a need and I hope you may experience that. Because I'd like a good life for you, at least with some peace - which I would/want enjoy too.'

And what 'defines' 'Arab' anyway? Genes of one person today have multiple roots. And given history Europeans were and are around there too - so I wouldn't be surprised to find an 'Arab' might have more or prominent roots to India, Italy, Russia, UK - and just 'knowing' of last ancestors born/living in .... Arabia(?)
A such widespread label of 'Arab' - ignores probably history, science and is rather 'all over the place'. And 'given' AS label might only refer to appearance and/or short history - not the 'whole picture'. (which indicates certain features also are imprinted to the transmitted code - 'we as group or I witnessed xy as friend/enemy - so 'be aware' and spread the DNA. Which ALSO is a prominent trait it seems - to 'live on' and in order to do so maybe better and easier the experience is passed on.)

Its my conclusion though..

(Hope I didn't waste your time )

[Ewan]

Posted by delfine (here)

...but at least the hate from jews to arabs is not as bad as the hate from arabs to jews.

I'll counter that with..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iqL048x4msM

I don't think any of us are in a position to judge who hates more, it's not a contest.

Israel operates from a position of power, but strip away all the layers and all the history and it comes down to fear. Palastine currently have the part of victims, underneath all their layers the same story exists. (As Sunpaw already said. Ultimately all of our problems, as individuals, as nations or cultures, can be traced to fear, which is the absence of love).

[6pounder]

here is a short story about a moment in my army sevice:

me a first lutenant, platoon commander is on a daily patrol with my squad.
so we open a check post and just check id's as we are ordered to do (this is to keep the citizens of the west benk always in fear and to let them know we are always looking).
so as always i great every car driver with a "salam o-alekom" which is the highest way to great and show respect to a muslim, and ask for an ID. so i do that a couple of cars and then i let my soldiers keep on doing it till we can close the check post.
one of my soldiers approach a car that just arrived and ask for an ID. in the driver sit is sitting an elder at least 60 y/o male. my soldier opened his mouth and all i could hear was disrespect and hate.
so after we relised the car i asked my soldier: "who do you think you are?" and he was like "what?". i explaind him that his way of talking with that elder was a way he would never talk with his grandparents. after all its just a 19 y/o kid with an m-16 in his hands.
i told him this: "you are nothing but a kid with a rifel and uniforms. strip your uniforms off and put down your rifle. can you talk this way to every citizen here now?".
my soldier was silent...

[Iloveyou]

Posted by delfine (here)
I see your point, but at least the hate from jews to arabs is not as bad as the hate from arabs to jews. Jews don´t indoctrinate their children to hate arabs through childrens TV-shows, in kindergarten etc. like the palestinians do.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jqOdAZLBDhA

Great research. Great sources. Helps a lot to understand. I'm sorry

There is such a lot of crap on the net, faked information, videos, manipulative lies. Maybe such indoctrination of children takes place in Palestine, maybe not. Maybe it's a small, criminal group of haters behind that, maybe it's all an impudent lie.

At least the first video is from PMW (Palestinian Media Watch) - an "Israeli research institute that studies Palestinian society from a broad range of perspectives by monitoring and analyzing the Palestinian Authority through its media and schoolbooks. PMW’s major focus is on the messages that the Palestinian leaders, from the Palestinian Authority, Fatah and Hamas, send to the population through the broad range of institutions and infrastructures they control."

Something about the source of the second video (CMIP / edume.org)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...mpact_of_Peace

Anyway, despite the most probably distorted view in such propaganda-videos I would be surprised if the manipulators and players were not sitting in positions of power inside the Fatah / Hamas, too.

Show me an article / interview from a serious, independent journalist (if a journalist can be independent at all which I doubt - but at least one who sticks to the basic rules of critical journalism) about these issues. Then I'll consider to take it serious, maybe.

What is the purpose of these kind of videos, to show the "truth"?

edit:
Apologies, delfine, for the angry tone. It is not directed to members who post the videos, but to those who produce and circulate it ceaselessly and on purpose.

[Hervé]

There may be a way to restore some sanity between those culturally ingrained behaviours and that's recalling past lives... like the Druze and others do.

I vaguely recall reading a book way back in the last century by a Palestinian woman who was recalling her latest past life as a Jewish woman... and comparing the suffering from both side of the fence... then, she compared another underlying cultural programming that deeply affects both camps : their treatment of women: an exact match of behaviour vis-à-vis the female of the species from the male portion of either camp. Like in many other cultures, women are considered belonging to a species well below batrachians in the "evolution" ladder... which is a world wide programming in existence even underneath the "veneer" of some so-called "modern" societies. Thanks to the programming/training of, so-called, "gods."

So, "genetics," "bloodlines," ethnicity and races? What's that got to do with the price of fish?

[meat suit]

6pounder, thank you !
like so many of the more aware folk, you have incarnated into this mess to help repair it...
you are in one of the epicentres of what is wrong here on this world... stick with it and keep making it better....

[Lifebringer]

But what of the neglected brutally oppressed that selective amnesia in some nations continue the legacy to always be on guard because death may occur? What of the poor who have NO voice in this 21st century of rebuilding and change, are they include or.. as nwo wants, to be excluded and in the process humanity lose what's left of it's soul, compassion or empathy towards your neighbor? It's really just time for 'sorting" and that's coming. The evil, will not be allowed in the new world. The nwo, forgot about people power and want to have robots w/no hearts of understanding of action, instead of the common sense of the common man that most likely came from the same upbringing, LOVE.

[Atlas]

Using kids to fight war (both sides), how smart is that?

[Althena]

I don't understand why Jewish and Palestinians don't get along, after all that's said and done you ARE COUSINS in the ancient land.