Significant Keshe Foundation public announcements

[TargeT]

I didn't realize this was "hopegirl", I've read some of her stuff before.. seems a bit too steeped in emotion for me personally.

Keshe Investigation By The People
March 4, 2016

The following is a report we put together to help guide individuals through a body of disclosure information about the Keshe Foundation and its technology. We have divided the report into steps to make it easy to follow. This report will take several hours or a few days to go through completely as it contains links to large amounts of footage. We ask that you review all the information for yourself to come to your own conclusion. We have done our best to maintain a factual point of view in the presentation of this material. Opinions or conclusions drawn by the author of this report have been compiled in a separate document outside of this report.

Step One:
Please watch the following 2 ½ hour video “The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 3 Show me the Plasma”. This video is a presentation put on by the Fix the World Organization that covers Keshe Technology basics in the first half and then Keshe’s business practices in the second half.
Link to Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmp5Z4c9lE
Link to the PowerPoint Presentation for the Show:
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...ma-slides.pptx

Step Two:
Read through all these links and documents that were mentioned in the presentation:

Keshe’s Arrest Warrants in Dutch and English
Belgium Police to Mehran Tavakoli Keshe – Kortrijk – 11.4.2014 (2)
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...1.4.2014-2.pdf

English Translation Belgium Keshe Arrest Warrant
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...st-Warrant.pdf

Answers to call out for links to Keshe devices that work
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...-that-work.pdf

Form to submit your measurements of your Purchased Keshe Magrav Units
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...rav-Units.docx

Ten years Keshe Foundation – a review
The German Website http://karfreitagsgrill-weckdienst.org/ has published an interesting review of the Ten years anniversary of the Infamous Keshe Foundation, checking over the various claims disclosed by Keshe during each one of these years.

DOWNLOAD THIS zip file to view and view “index” file only
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...n-a-review.zip

Keshe Fact or Fiction?
Important article from other teams of energy engineers and scientists in the “free energy” arena. Very telling body of information.
http://emediapress.com/2015/11/14/ke...ct-or-fiction/
Relevant Facebook Thread from Aaron Murakami about Keshe Foundation Fact or Fiction
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...or-Fiction.pdf
Keshe timeline of lack of success
http://pesn.com/2015/08/12/9602649_K...ck-of-success/

Customer receives Keshe Magrav, initial output is same as input
http://pesn.com/2015/11/26/9602695_C...same-as-input/

Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ted-fraud.html
Keshe Wife Carolina threatens FTW with pedophile associations
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...sociations.pdf
Threat from bogus Keshe legal Dept against FTW
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...ainst-FTW.docx

Step Three:
Watch this video testimony (4 hours) of eye witness Keshe Whistleblower:

Keshe Whistleblower Sousan Alexander from Hope Moore on Vimeo.
https://vimeo.com/157722744
(the video is also available for download from the site)

Keshe Whistleblower Sousan Alexander
Sousan followed Keshe for years. She invested in the tech. She became a student of the Keshe Institute. She then invested her own money to travel to Italy to see the Keshe operation for herself.
She found a proxy operation and has exposed Keshe as a Fraud. She has come forward to give her testimony to help prevent others from losing hundreds or thousands of dollars on Keshe products that will never arrive and don’t work.
Her testimony took place over 4 youtube videos, mixed in with other conversations.
We have condensed her testimony into one video here to make it easier to follow and hear the information she has to share. The audio is a little shaky in several places, but it clears up shortly.
This is original footage created by “Circle Healing Network”. The links for the original videos can be found on youtube, we have provided them in the description.
This video has been created for educational non-profit, fair use purposes. Our intent is to help disseminate public information and testimony that uncovers fraud and corruption protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

Step Four:
Watch this 1 hour testimony from the QEG family.
It covers business practices and personal experiences with Omega Quantum (one of Keshe’s distributors). QEG worked with this group just prior to becoming Keshe distributors, this provides a history of behavior patterns.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oob3oAsM0
Alex/Soheil skype conversation
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...versation.docx

Step Five:
Listen to this leaked recorded phone call. It was posted on “anti-Keshe” facebook groups by a disgruntled Ex-Keshe worker.
The conversation is between Soheil, the CEO of Omega Quantum one of the major distributors and manufacturers of Keshe products, and head of Keshe Foundation China.
This call reveals:
• The admission that both parties know that Keshe’s energy products are fake.
• In spite of the fraud both parties still want to make money and get out fast.
• The admission that Keshe never tests his products, and that they know that people are making them on their own.
• The admission that Keshe will collect pre-order money on products that have yet to be developed, tested and manufactured. He then constantly seeks manufacturers to make something fast so that he will have something to send to people even if he knows it won’t work.
• The admission that the disclaimer he makes people sign is an attempt to write off accountability of any kind for sending a bogus product.
• Reveals the sentiment that the governments don’t care.
• Reveals that Keshe does not invent any of his products but rather just takes ideas from others, and then promotes them for pre-order sales without ever developing or testing.
Link to mp3 recorded call:
https://soundcloud.com/user-71269215...call-recording

Here is a document that shows screen shots that as of 3/4/ 2016 Omega Quantum is still selling Keshe products on their site.
Omega Quantum Still Selling Keshe Producs as of March 3 2016
http://www.hopegirlblog.com/wp-conte...rch-3-2016.pdf

Step 6 What you can do:
If you wish to take action in some way here are a few suggestions.
A) You can write to Keshe asking these specific questions:
• Please provide proof that you refunded all of the money for all of the deposits and pre-orders from customers who purchased from you and never received anything.
• Please provide proof that you have had all charges against you dropped from the Belgium Federal police and that you are no longer wanted for Fraud and Human Experimentation.
• Please provide proof from reputable third party testing that GANS, especially the GANS that you are instructing people to make on their own is safe for humans and has no proven short term or long term deleterious health effects.
• Please provide proof that you have re-established an account in good standing with paypal who shut you down for fraud.
• Please provide proof that you have tested your products by a third reputable party before selling them to unsuspecting customers.

We ask that this proof be published publicly for all to see in a manner that is clear and easy to understand and properly translated into several different languages to make it accessible to all.
If proof is not provided, it can then only be concluded that you are guilty of the above accusations and have knowingly committed theft and fraud on multiple occasions and have also been guilty of conducting experiments on humans and endangering public health and well-being with untested illegal products.

http://prepareforchange.net/2016/03/...by-the-people/

http://www.hopegirlblog.com/keshe-in...by-the-people/

That is quite a collection of accusations... like, a lot.. don't have time for the videos yet; I'm still digging through for actual valid data.

We ask that this proof be published publicly for all to see in a manner that is clear and easy to understand and properly translated into several different languages to make it accessible to all.
If proof is not provided, it can then only be concluded that you are guilty of the above accusations and have knowingly committed theft and fraud on multiple occasions and have also been guilty of conducting experiments on humans and endangering public health and well-being with untested illegal products.

Not sure how much I agree with this statement.. I think the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

[Johnny]

Keshe Foundation Testimonials:

https://testimonials.keshefoundation.org/

Johnny

[Aurelius]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mrgrKSKyU0w

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Aurelius (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mrgrKSKyU0w

Some observations.

He spoke of "positive" and "negative". This is meaningless in an AC system. He probably meant live (or line) and neutral. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, but not one somebody familiar with this work is likely to make.

More importantly, does anyone have any idea how easily those power-measuring units respond to power factor errors introduced into an AC circuit by very inductive or capacitive reactive loads - the kind of thing a Magrav unit might introduce? This is not a rhetorical question, it is an engineering question. One I've asked before in this thread and it has still not been answered.

I'd be much happier if these power/voltage/current units were replaced with a purely resistive load and the voltage drop measured across it with and without the Magrav device use. It's suspicious to me that no one has done this yet - as far as I know.

[Aurelius]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
Some observations.

He spoke of "positive" and "negative". This is meaningless in an AC system. He probably meant live (or line) and neutral. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, but not one somebody familiar with this work is likely to make.

positive = Mag and negative = Grav. This is abbreviated plasma terminology, it is common knowledge to all those that work with magrav tech, it's the backbone of the tech. Though not everyone that works with this tech understands the underlying principles & concepts, there's a lot of "monkey see - monkey do" occurring.

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
More importantly, does anyone have any idea how easily those power-measuring units respond to power factor errors introduced into an AC circuit by very inductive or capacitive reactive loads - the kind of thing a Magrav unit might introduce? This is not a rhetorical question, it is an engineering question. One I've asked before in this thread and it has still not been answered.

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[re-written this response as the original form failed to call out important aspects]

The question you have asked is a valid question, especially in terms of looking at the device through the lenses of traditional electrical theory. However, I have told you many times before in this thread & will say it again, if you look at this tech in the traditional electrical theory methods, you will never understand it. The only place where traditional electrical theory applies is at the point/s where plasma converts to electron vibration. Humorously we refer to this as: "are you still looking for somewhere to put your multi-meter?". If you attempt to disrupt the plasmatic paths with std electrical instrumentation, the device will not work.

The meter being used in the video accounts for reactive power (see pp12), however as you can see in the video they are only looking at real power (W) not reactive power (VAR).

It is common knowledge that the "energy source" within the magrav unit, consists of magrav stacker coils (think of them as planets or electrons, they fulfill a similar purpose), coupled together with the reactors in the center of each coil (think of them as a star or nucleus of an atom).

Magrav coils can be used for other purposes, but when utilised in the power supply unit, for this specific "energy source" purpose, the magrav coils are always connected to plasma capacitors in series (though this may change in the future).

So if one wanted to look at the device in traditional electrical theory (which is the wrong way to analyse this tech), one could argue the coils (L), give rise to θ lag, and the capacitors (C), which are in series, would give rise to θ lead. Have you carefully considered the PF calculation and how much reactance is required to go from 1157W to 319W ?

It is common knowledge that the energy device blueprint released last year had to be connected to the house mains AC supply (the grid), this created the gradient for plasma flow (i have called this out on this thread). It is also common knowledge that a further blueprint would be released afterwards (this was announced at least a year ago), where the device would not need to be connected to the grid, it would be a stand alone device, this is what Douglas demonstrated, and the most recent blueprints show how Douglas did it. This most recent device, an extension of the former blueprints, has the plasmatic gradient built into it (I also called this out on this thread, many months before the latest blueprints were released)

It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann . This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

It is also common knowledge that the "heartbeat" as per how Douglas did it with two refrigerator pumps, could easily be embodied in solid state form. The is what the video in post#1023 is all about, it is a demonstration of creating a heartbeat between two magrav stacker units. Much akin to an LC tank circuit in std electrical theory, but in a plasmatic form. This will be further simplified and size reduced in time to come.

Jon now needs to go back to the latest blueprints, get rid of the refrigerator motors and put the heartbeat configuration in its place. Then he will have a standalone device, that does not need to be connected to the grid, that doesn't need refrigerator pumps, unless you want to power a refrigerator, on the load side (which will now no longer be integral to the functioning of the device itself).

[Nick Matkin]

Thanks Aurelius. That's a decent answer about power factor, watts and VA in the instruction manual.

I'm still uncomfortable with the idea that this operates on 'non-traditional' electrical theory. OK, I'll say it before anyone else - I'll just have to get over that discomfort!

Nevertheless, Keshe plasma technology has to work with equipment that does work on traditional theory. They both must be compatible - and on the face of it the video in #1023 appears to confirm that. But there is a lot of scope for pulling the wool over people's eyes. It's too easy to make things look convincing to someone with little or no technical knowledge.

But how many experimenters have even heard of AC power factors for instance - let alone measured it in their Keshe system?

Neither am I convinced that test instruments 'disrupt plasmatic paths'. How do these plasmatic paths know the difference between a very high impedance voltmeter or or a very low resistance ammeter? Especially if these devices make up part of the load? How does it 'know' it being 'watched'?

[Kimberley]

Greetings to my friends and family :-)

I am not following this thread, just read this last page...

Although I have been following Keshe for several years now...I interviewed him Early December 2012

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AUH77PtVvm8

I still hear people asking for "proof"...a "demonstration"...well here it is...posted on the Keshe YouTube channel August 13, 2016.

There may be other videos from earlier, however this one "proves" it for me anyway...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ

Much love, health, joy, peace, and fun to us all in all ways!!!

[Nick Matkin]

Further thought on the above following a shower...!

If I understand correctly, Magrav coils and capacitors introduce θ degrees phase shift between voltage and current. If that can be demonstrated then they cannot be coils or capacitors. Consider a DC pulse of voltage/current into a capacitor: initially there in no voltage but maximum current, cunnent ceases and voltage is max. That's how a capacitor (C) works; it's discharged and becomes charged. How else would a capacitor work? And it's the reverse for an inductor (L).

If you put them in series or parallel of appropriate vales at the right frequency these phase differences cancel out and you get a purely resistive circuit at resonance, a concept that is held in such high regard in these circles. But Keshe Ls and Cs don't look to be resonating at mains frequency - if that is relevant

(Sorry, just trying to reason this through with real physics.)

Thought experiment:

I have a washing machine operating via a magrav device. On this machine there is a panel showing spin speed, water temperature, amount of water used, mains voltage, mains current and power consumption.

Is anyone suggesting that as soon as I look at the V/A/W readings it starts drawing the expected power and not the Keshe reduced power because the plasmatic paths are disrupted? What if I just disable those readings? Does it go back to drawing magrav reduced power?

[Johnny]

Here is the last new version of the magrav power generator, which not yet is explained. There are 3 different kind of capacitors, which also will be explained in the near future.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6579jPiQpmQ

Johnny

[Aurelius]

lovely people, doing lovely things, some really good discussion and innovative ideas here and there:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fojyXxfoRTU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tBvon9JTpkg

just to re-iterate what has become common knowledge, try to stay away from LEAD GANS, it literally sucks the energy out of your body, there are other elements that are more suitable for Grav biasing.

[Sequoia]

There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Sequoia (here)
There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

You are in possession of a working device I guess?

[Aurelius]

[re-written this response as the original form failed to call out important aspects]

Posted by Aurelius (here)

The question you have asked is a valid question, especially in terms of looking at the device through the lenses of traditional electrical theory. However, I have told you many times before in this thread & will say it again, if you look at this tech in the traditional electrical theory methods, you will never understand it. The only place where traditional electrical theory applies is at the point/s where plasma converts to electron vibration. Humorously we refer to this as: "are you still looking for somewhere to put your multi-meter?". If you attempt to disrupt the plasmatic paths with std electrical instrumentation, the device will not work.

The meter being used in the video accounts for reactive power (see pp12), however as you can see in the video they are only looking at real power (W) not reactive power (VAR).

It is common knowledge that the "energy source" within the magrav unit, consists of magrav stacker coils (think of them as planets or electrons, they fulfill a similar purpose), coupled together with the reactors in the center of each coil (think of them as a star or nucleus of an atom).

Magrav coils can be used for other purposes, but when utilised in the power supply unit, for this specific "energy source" purpose, the magrav coils are always connected to plasma capacitors in series (though this may change in the future).

So if one wanted to look at the device in traditional electrical theory (which is the wrong way to analyse this tech), one could argue the coils (L), give rise to θ lag, and the capacitors (C), which are in series, would give rise to θ lead. Have you carefully considered the PF calculation and how much reactance is required to go from 1157W to 319W ?

It is common knowledge that the energy device blueprint released last year had to be connected to the house mains AC supply (the grid), this created the gradient for plasma flow (i have called this out on this thread). It is also common knowledge that a further blueprint would be released afterwards (this was announced at least a year ago), where the device would not need to be connected to the grid, it would be a stand alone device, this is what Douglas demonstrated, and the most recent blueprints show how Douglas did it. This most recent device, an extension of the former blueprints, has the plasmatic gradient built into it (I also called this out on this thread, many months before the latest blueprints were released)

It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann . This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

It is also common knowledge that the "heartbeat" as per how Douglas did it with two refrigerator pumps, could easily be embodied in solid state form. The is what the video in post#1023 is all about, it is a demonstration of creating a heartbeat between two magrav stacker units. Much akin to an LC tank circuit in std electrical theory, but in a plasmatic form. This will be further simplified and size reduced in time to come.

Jon now needs to go back to the latest blueprints, get rid of the refrigerator motors and put the heartbeat configuration in its place. Then he will have a standalone device, that does not need to be connected to the grid, that doesn't need refrigerator pumps, unless you want to power a refrigerator, on the load side (which will now no longer be integral to the functioning of the device itself).

[TargeT]

Posted by Sequoia (here)
There will never be "proof" enough until the devises are in the hands of the masses (literally), today's people are used to instant gratification without any understudying how things work in nature and what makes it all go around and around.
In 20 years no one will even remember how dangerous it was once upon a time to bring the awareness of "free energy idea" to the masses, the incredulous comments, the ridicule, and of course, the healthy banter over over-unity technology...

There will never be proof untill the devices can actually demonstrably do something... there have been 10000's of scams just like this one & they all follow the same path... a working device is NEVER shown; because it doesn't exist.

Every example shown on this thread so far is unacceptable, it's just way too easy to fake this stuff (and it's been done, over and over..).

so until some actual standards are adhered to this debate will be very one sided (and I'm sorry, your faith in a product you've never seen first hand does not make your debate tactics any better).


Just an "FYI" those "two refrigerator motors" could also easily be two large chemical batteries.

Posted by Aurelius (here)
It is also common knowledge

It's also common knowledge (I'd say a fair bit more common than the 5 items you described as "common knowledge") that the Keshe Foundation and all it's claims are a scam... does that make it true?

Posted by Aurelius (here)
It is common knowledge Douglas's device used two refrigerator motors, they are there purely to create a plasmatic gradient. Think of it as a heartbeat, no different to main purpose of the heart in your body or Schumann . This is a universal phenomenon tied to how creation works.

The main purpose of a heartbeat is to pump fluid in and out of various organs for processing.. the main purpose of the Schumann resonance is nothing as it's a by product of our atmosphere & fluctuates with the thickness of the ionosphere.. it doesn't have a purpose & is simply an environmental phenomenon that we have grown custom to.

I figured that was "common knowledge"

Apparently common knowledge cannot be counted on to clear this up... we'll have to fall back to more "commonly" used: Science, Logic & Critical Thinking to find what's really going on.

[mkscarola]

Posted by TargeT (here)

There will never be proof untill the devices can actually demonstrably do something... there have been 10000's of scams just like this one & they all follow the same path... a working device is NEVER shown; because it doesn't exist.


The main purpose of a heartbeat is to pump fluid in and out of various organs for processing.. the main purpose of the Schumann resonance is nothing as it's a by product of our atmosphere & fluctuates with the thickness of the ionosphere.. it doesn't have a purpose & is simply an environmental phenomenon that we have grown custom to.

There has been scams involving this technology...there have also been real working technologies. For example, the Moray Valve or the fuel-less motor that Lester Hendershot developed for Lindenburgh's flight. There have been demonstrations of this technology working, again lookup T. Henry Moray, but the technologies were destroyed for malicious reasons (You can't make a profit off something that is free). Moray based his machine off of one of Tesla's inventions... I would hope that you realize the credibility of that.

As for your comment on the heart...just take two seconds and lookup the HeartMath Institute. The heart is much more than just an organ used for pumping blood....you sound like those people that say consciousness is an emergent property of the brain *face palm* You don't know that the Schumann resonance is 'nothing'.

Posted by TargeT (here)
I figured that was "common knowledge"

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by mkscarola (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
I figured that was "common knowledge"

and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

TargeT stated something of his own thoughts, regarding the topic at hand.

You called TargeT rude and condescending.

[Daozen]

Posted by mkscarola (here)
and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

This is the field of energy production. It's not meditation. Claimants are required to have a working prototype, not just a shaky cam video of an ohmeter and a grinning cultist.

Lots of crybullying on this thread. A lot of Keshe supporters pretending to be the aggrevied victim. From my point of view, you guys are distracting from viable solar and hand cranked initiatives in the developing world. You are suggesting people drink dangerous Ganz water, and guiding people to perform potentially fatal experiments with mains electricity. You are also supporting a man who took donations for a space flight, when he couldn't (and still can't) light an LED with his technology. So who is on the attack here?

There's an awakening going on in the field of home energy. Keshe is one of the dragnets.

If any of you were remotely sincere, we could turn this into a round table on viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>working<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< energy devices. But all you ever want to do is hype your Messiah.

From my point of view, *you* are the aggressor. Your poor-me-hurt-victim act does nothing to hide it.

[TargeT]

Posted by mkscarola (here)
and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

I have installed 30 solar panels, 2 charge converters, 2 inverts, 2 battery controllers and 10 48v batteries on my house, myself; after self educating. I had to not only learn about AC and DC (solar panels produce DC power, which charges my batteries through the charge controllers, which then gets inverted (from DC to AC) to run my house, there's some more complicated additions as well, but that's the basics)but also about faulty wiring systems, grounding, bad neutrals and all sorts of other "fun" topics.)

I've worked in telecommunications (sending electricity through wires, or light through fiber to communicate) for 17 years professionally.

I'm NO WHERE NEAR as "qualified" to comment on this topic as some who have before....

I have looked into this topic (Keshe) since 2012..... I will completely commit (at this point, with current evidence submitted) that Keshe technology is false on many levels and is leveraging genuine hopes by honest caring people do disastrous distraction.

If you feel I am being rude then I hope this clears it up.

I am not attempting to be rude, I am attempting to clearly show the reader (anyone) that this technology is false, in every way... and I will continue to do so untill something is presented to show me otherwise (at which point I will GLADLY be Keshe's main cheer leader..I support this concept fully. I DO NOT support deceiving people, for any reason.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I DO NOT support deceiving people, for any reason.)

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[jaybee]

Posted by mkscarola (here)
and you don't have to be so rude all the time this is a discussion not a fight no need for the condescending use of quotations. I thought that Project Avalon would be a forum that didn't have people like you as members, but I guess it's unavoidable. I am going to continue my pursuit of free energy knowledge elsewhere. Thanks for ruining it here haha

you might like the Face Book group 'Golden Age of GANS' - lots of creativity and sharing there - - - mostly without the politics -

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/

wishing you all the best with your research and experimenting - -

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