Simon Parkes: Questions of integrity and credibility

[BMJ]

Thank you onawah for expressing your point of view.

[Debra]

Dear Mike, I love your perspective, always have and always will because you stand for yourself - as does Onawah ... but recently ... WTF has happened? I am confounded by her stand and validations. This pursuit of truth we all have but there is enough evidence in front of us surely to steer well clear of anything that Simon says.

However, that view is not shared by everyone and I do respect freedom of speech.

But what I am horrified about is this lack of compassion in Onawah for members who have clearly been through some bad experiences with this guy. And even when the testimonies continued to roll on in, there has been no visible iota of empathy from her. This is a reflection and so be it. It happens to us in this truth movement. Sometimes we get it wrong. Man, I've been caught seriously out in the past but when members have helped me see what I wasn't seeing, I have stepped back. I've re- considered and dropped the bone. Glad I did.

Frankly, mod hat on and off, I am drop dead tired of this blindness - it's so far away from consciousness it's ludicrous IMO. This emailer calls it and it's everything I have been thinking. Why I supported it being published is because it was cleanly said and reached in with courage to say this whole matter smells. I don't think we should be giving space to Parkes when there has been next to zero work done by him to address the mountain of serious claims that have been laid before him. And for members on here to ignore that and continue to enable him? And hold him up with respect and continually present via Avalon that he is of great value, is a spiritual, trustworthy being who has humanity's best interests at heart ? Bull**** !

This is not what I signed up for.

Onawah is fairly vocal in airing what she has to say. Well I now say back: enough already! Only thing I regret about this email in the OP is that I didn't come forward first and just say it myself. Hell, I am way overdue saying what I want to say because of a distant loyalty to Onawah as a member whose voice I used to respect. I feel now implicit in allowing her to bathe in this mess for so long and not just say it cleanly from my own heart.

I cannot afford to engage in this unclean, slippery exchange; the kind that pussy foots around. It is circular energy going nowhere and doing nobody any favours. I want to put my energy into exposing the virus (thanks, Songs) clearing this virus that I know is still in me and certainly around me.

Posted by Mike (here)
I agree with many of the emailers points. Many of us do. There are dozens upon dozens of active members that could have, and maybe already have, written something similar. Which makes posting it here all the more redundant and pointless. It was in my opinion in very poor taste, as it repeatedly singles out one member (Onawah) for reprimand, which has the effect of shaming or embarrassing or intentionally trying to gang up on someone...and accomplishes little else. I was embarrassed by it.

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one. I can't help but question the motivation here???

[BMJ]

Posted by greybeard (here)
think this sums up the reason for the decision.

the mods and administration feel there are, and should be moral standards for how we humans treat one another, and we have a moral responsibility to uphold those standards.

chris

That is a very good point.

[BMJ]

Posted by onawah (here)
In a way, I am glad that this matter has been put to rest, but I agree that the OP letter should have been for members only. However, I don't apologize for keeping an open mind about Simon or any other whistleblower who is being accused of various things, when no real tangible proof other than hearsay is being provided of serious wrongdoing.
We all know the elite are desperate to keep information that is unfavorable to them from being spread, and they will go to great lengths to obfuscate the truth and to discredit their detractors.
Just because someone is a member of Avalon doesn't mean that they are infallible, integral or omnipotent, and that certainly holds true for non-members as well.
Contrary to what so many seem to believe, I am not convinced one way or the other about Simon's story or his integrity or motives.
I've experienced a lot of "stranger than fiction" kinds of things in my own life, and as unbelievable as his story may sound to others, I think there's a chance it may be at least partly true.
I also would not surprised if it is all fabricated.
But when your mind is made up and nothing can change it, then there is isn't a lot of opportunity for real proof left to be presented, if it is ever uncovered.
As for Simon's abilities or integrity as a counselor, I have no idea.
I've heard people make both positive statements and negative statements about all kinds of licensed and unlicensed counselors, psychics, channelers, advisors, etc. etc.
It seems to me to be more about finding the right one than expecting a one size fits all, or having any expectations at all--it seems to be pretty much a crap shoot to me.
I would much rather keep my own counsel.
And that is all I have to say on that subject.

I agree that was really well put onawah.

[Debra]

Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

[BMJ]

Posted by 6pounder (here)
First of all thank you dear guest for your point of view and thank you admins for sharing this with the forum.

During my entrance to the alternative community I came with the though that I won't find liers or people who would mislead others since why would some one in the alternative community would do such a thing. After a while as i grew up a bit and got some good advices, I reviewed some of Simon's materials (at the beginning I was a dedicated follower of him) and I started to feel that there is something in me that says "this guy is inconsistent". I was hoping to find some negative critic about him around here but or I didn't find any or I have probably missed it while searching. So thank's again for this reassuring info. I speak for myself here tho we will never know until we are satisfied with a hard proof that Simon is a conman or a truth teller. I do listen to connecting consciousness sometimes to see if that is some consistency with other sources but not more then that. I stopped taking Simon's stories and information seriously for quite some time now and I feel great for doing that.

You need to be constantly diligent using your commonsense, intuition, gut feeling regardless of whether it is here or elsewhere as TPTB do try to inflirtrate all forms of alternative media.

[BMJ]

Posted by Mike (here)
Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one.

Very well put Mike.

[BMJ]

Posted by Debra (here)
Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

[Chester]

Posted by BMJ (here)

Posted by Debra (here)
Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

It would be nice to know if you are reasonably aware of the matters involving Parkes of which others, like myself, have felt compelled to raise concerns regarding those who may be unwittingly enabling Parkes which extends the potential endangerment to newbie vulnerables.

From all the posts I have read of yours... and posts from onawah and a few others, I make odds pretty high the depth of seriousness of this matter has escaped you all.

There's reasons it hasn't been spelled out in black and white yet I am baffled that none of you have figured this out. And if you do actually have a clue, then you also understand the discretion demonstrated by the staff of Avalon as well as several members in not making this so plainly clear but there are two strong hints that may finally get you to see why there appears to be excessive comments and why apparent excessive moderation has taken place.




and this post

with this specific quote -

Telling someone you believe you were someone in a past life and that you could HEAL THEM USING SEX is NOTHING NEW.

Yet I make odds high Kerry knows that what developed into a serial situation over a lengthy period of time had zero to do with healing. Certainly the folks that "got healed" didn't feel very healthy after and in some cases, the results have been tragic. Yet he is one of her stars and in fact headlined an event right around the time of her post. The community needs to draw a line here and if they need to, draw a line on those who continue to promote this.

This isn't about "judging" someone. This (effort by some members and staff) is folks reacting to their own sense of responsibility to others in this world who, in some cases, may become statistic number 20 or 30 or however many that have ended up feeling at the very least metaphorically raped.

I quoted his words and I quoted Kerry's as she is fully aware of how far this has gone.

And the call is for those who have a conscience to think for once not about themselves, not about their ego for maybe getting this one wrong, but to think about the next victim who might just happen into this forum without any idea of the situation and see in the new posts a new "Simon said this in this interview" thread... listen and fall for the guy, decide to check out his site, run across his promotion for "soul readings" and end up like documented cases of others have... in ways you wouldn't wish upon anyone, much less someone you cared for.

This is what this is all about because this community does not have any faith in any legal system. In fact, prior to too many victims coming forward, Simon himself threatened at least one lawsuit against a former member of Avalon.

As for the ludicrous comment I read some time back that goes something like... "if people feel he has wronged them, they should take him to court..." and it came from a veteran of the alternative community.

That makes about as much sense as Wilcock's threat to use US Federal authorities to enforce copyright against anyone else who teaches his material (which so happens to have been the perennial philosophy to a great extent in the Access Your Higher Self series) while he pretends to be a champion for humanity. Essentially he threatens you with the very same thing he pretends he's saving you from. "They should take him to court..." Right.

The folks at this forum didn't want to be in this position at all whatsoever. Anyone who thinks they like this, that they enjoy or that they have some strange desire to quash 1st amendment rights... well, I truly can't imagine not understanding the importance in doing the right thing by standing up as a community for the vulnerable.

Sadly, Youtube video hits, conference attendee counts and other forms of profiteering are far more important than doing the right thing. Yet the Avalon staff did... That was the point of the mention of a moral obligation.

Just blows my mind so many folks here still don't get it.

[6pounder]

Onawah, ty for sharing with us this part of your pm, it helped me a lot to understand your perspective on the matter and I agree with you. Not because you are some kind of underdog here but because that's what I believe in too - justice.

Now ide like to address something to everyone:
Welcome to the internet guys. The invention that made info unreliable forever unless you have witnessed something with your own eyes or have been provided with evidence that can satisfy you. In our case of accusations at Simon (defending justice here, not an individual) proper evidence would be a video of the accused and accuser both in the accurance of the accusations.
Now back to the internet. Any one of us should consider anything here as fiction. If it's what been said about Simon or any other thing UNTIL you have your own experience of it. Some might guide you towards that experience to provide proof to their claims. The rest is you and your way of taking any info as you wish if its for granted or with a grain of salt.
Now for justice.
When we call upon justice,
what exactly do we consider as just? The accuser proving the accused as guilty with evidence or the accused proving his innocence with evidence? Which one is just? So far no proofs to any claim ware brought to the table, REAL PROOF. Assuming some one said something about someone, if we take this as evidence then we forget what internet is.

Who thinks that the picture on my profile is really me? Do I have any proof it's me? Do I need to prove it to anyone? NO it's a damn internet, nothing here is credible until you face it IRL.

So please dear Avalonian ladies and gentlemen, let us not forget what internet is and what justice is. Do not judge one by INFO on the internet. It's just another info that we cannot have its credibility except believing it with pure innocence.

(I just flipped the table here so any one got offended no offense...)

[Daozen]

Mike, I like a lot of your posts, especially our conversation on longevity tablets, which I found valuable. So I hope we can agree to disagree on this subject.

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Posted by onawah (here)
I am not pointing the finger at anyone by taking that position, I am no more omnipotent than anyone else, so how could I know?
I don't claim to know who is deceived and who is deceiver.

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But I think is it is valid to suspect that there may be foul play on the parts of some who have made complaints, for the very reason that Simon is constantly speaking out publicly about the elite. And that is a point that is constantly being ignored, which I find very puzzling.

So you are saying that people who suffered abuse at the hands of a "therapist" are working with the elite? Is that right? Again, it's you who are on the attack here, Onawah.

I'm sorry, but you're treading in libel territory. You said this a few weeks back: some members may have a (from memory) "dark agenda" against Simon, because he is speaking out against the elite. I can't remember your exact words.

You were asked directly by Bill to name names, or get to the point regarding who you thought it was. You backed down straight away.

And now you are using the same tactic again. Soon you're going to be asked a second time who you are talking about. And I guess you're going to back right down again.

[BMJ]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by BMJ (here)

Posted by Debra (here)
Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

It would be nice to know if you are reasonably aware of the matters involving Parkes of which others, like myself, have felt compelled to raise concerns regarding those who may be unwittingly enabling Parkes which extends the potential endangerment to newbie vulnerables.

From all the posts I have read of yours... and posts from onawah and a few others, I make odds pretty high the depth of seriousness of this matter has escaped you all.

It seems you've jumped the gun and not read my post or missed the point I made in post 37 Sam Hunter which was very straight forward and clear, quote:
"I would like to make some points:
1. I am fully aware of the misgivings the communities and guests had about Simon Parkes abilities as a counselor, and this played a significant part in stopping me from seeking his counsel."

I fully understand the issues. I simple don't like people taking it upon themselves to try to police the forum and ram their opinion down my throat at every opportunity we have a mechanism in place which is the moderators whom in part act as watchdogs of the forum.

Does that make sense to you?

And still you don't get it you are not the forum police Sam Hunter.

And as further note I not going to get drawn into a slanging match with you or anyone else in the style "he said she said".

I'll leave that to those that "enjoy" that style of discourse like yourself to continue causing controversy and division.

[greybeard]

I think it would have been abdicating personal responsibility to just report our concerns to the mods regarding Simon and expect them to get on with it.
As a community we are collectively responsible for what happens or does not happen with some subjects (contentious) on Avalon.
It is up to the individual to be vocal if they feel that vulnerable or not so vulnerable people have been hurt by what a member is posting, saying, doing (Simon in this case) or non member video for that matter
I have not always agreed with Bill or Mod decisions but have said so at the time.
However this time I think that Bill and the mods have done their very best in a difficult situation.

Chris

[Daozen]

This is not a policing action. This is a round table of equals, where some of us are speaking in support of Simon, others against him, others neutral. If moderators were to get involved, it would demean the whole discussion. They are here to provide a platform, and only intervene when necessary. The Parksists asked for the other thread to be closed. It was closed. Now we're on a new thread.

Avalonians are forgiving and mild mannered in general, and this is cynically being used against them. Simon, Onawah and others were given dozens of chances to calmly step down, they decided not to.

Our justice system has failed us, diplomatic means have been exhausted. Our last resort is open, public discourse. No honest person should be afraid of that.

I say let everyone speak freely.

[Ewan]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

To onawah, in case you need it…I’m over here. Jump. If not, that’s fine, too.

What a fantastic image!

[greybeard]

Yes its been a bit of merry go round for Simon supporters, as in, stuck in denial.
Chris

[Ewan]

I've made this post before, though not word for word.

It is fair to say as a young man I was very naive. Any conman could have had a field day with me as I was so wide-eyed and innocent. Somehwere along the line, through a step by painful step in awakening, or just purely tired with being so damned gullible, I began to develop some discernment. By the time i was 40 I had developed something like a 6th sense about people. I just got a vibe when something wasn't right. I don't know how else to explain it.

It can be hard to discern via video or text when the person you are listening to is a smooth operator. In a personal face to face meeting though that is where my senses function. When I went to a talk by Simon I was very interested in what he had to say and thought he was a really interesting person with some amazing experiences and knowledge to share.

I left that 2hr talk with an entirly different perception. Something was just 'off' about the whole thing. I'm now of the opinion a minute spent listening to him is already a waste of energy.

[Ewan]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes its been a bit of merry go round for Simon supporters, as in, stuck in denial.
Chris

Well, it was more about breaking free, but yeah. Hopefully one will appear in the Keshe thread before too long.

[ulli]

When someone messes up, even repeatedly, one can still forgive.
But when someone is so consistently self-serving that he sees others only as an opportunity to enrich himself then forgiveness is no longer an option.
The option is to either lock them away, to protect the community, or to shun them, and warn others to stay away as well.
One can't really work with them, unless one lets them know that one has seen through their deception.

I'm quite amazed now reading this thread how many here saw the SP game for what it was early on. I thought at first Iwas the only one who felt he was off, somehow.

In fact, I felt a bit guilty at first, when so many other Avalonians were excited about him being on this forum, while I was thinking that here we had another conman.

He showed all the signs- a smooth talker, nice, neat little story...ready to target the alt community, where no real protective measures were in place. Don't people ever learn?
If he were for real, he would never ever have come forward like this.
True, we are no court of law. We are a communitty of isolated individuals with little back-up support. A century ago any one of us might have been committed to a mental hospital, because of the things we have "seen" and believe in.

So here we are, free to explore truth the way we see it. And the only recourse we have in case a wolf in sheeps clothing appears amongst us is to allow those who have seen the fangs close up to cry "wolf" and then collectively examine if there really is a wolf.

Then tell those who find predators fascinating to please leave and find another flock where wolves in sheps clothing are welcomed by all.

[greybeard]

Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris