Simon Parkes: Questions of integrity and credibility

[AutumnW]

Posted by Daozen (here)
1. It's becoming apparent that you cannot reason with a hardcore Parkes follower, nor can you appeal to them on an emotional or ethical level. Same with Cobreros and Ke****es. The similar tactics used across all communities is unsettling. They're all bizzarely tenacious and evasive at the same time. It's like debating a snake in a brick wall.

2. I just invented a new word: Slaviourism/Slaviorism (© Daozen 2016-2020). I Googled it, only one previous instance of it exists on the net.

3. The way off the merry-go-round, IMO, is to start threads specifically engaging subjects and people directly. Talk respectfully to them, instead of about them. There is a lot of wisdom here, but little structure or strategy. This thread is in danger of becoming another multi-storey Avalon train-wreck, complete with wall o'types and repetitive points.

Two suggested threads:

- Have you been plagarized?

- Letters to alt media personalities.

In which alt media personalities are address respectfully and directly. It's a way of focusing content into one thread, instead of 20. If the other party doesn't answer, their silence will speak volumes.

^^ Those two threads would focus the discussion, and start to provide legal and spiritual closure. I have a suspicion that a minority of Avalonians enjoy the meandering grandstanding, and prefer to string the subject out instead of delivering the, uhh, coup de grace. Am I wrong to say that?

Yes, less is more, when it comes to making a point. Concision is our friend. I think some people have a really tough time expressing themselves, but other people enjoy the exercise of blathering on and on. And then some people love emoting non stop, the drama and dissembling. That type of communication comes across as bullsh** to me, or the 'poop de grace.'

[Chester]

Posted by LindyLou22 (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by LindyLou22 (here)
It's not censorship to you? So it's your way or the highway, Shannon? You don't have the objectivity or respect for others that SHOULD be required to be a moderator. I can do my own thinking, my own discernment, thank you very much. Your manipulation has always been an affront to thinking people on this forum.

My way or the highway? Where are you getting that?

Manipulation? I hope you're kidding and if not, you better back that up sister.

I understand that you're angry, it's very noticeable but please do not take that anger out on me, I have not mistreated you and would like to be treated the same way.

Well, I went through pages of your posts, and it seems like you only act this way as regards SP. Your posts on other subjects seem on point. But it is a fact that you put yourself above the members who recognize that SP did some crappy things, but would still like to hear what he has to say. And I really, really don't care for the way you and others have treated Onawah. Frankly, your behavior Pathwalker's thread was that of a troll and not a moderator.

Okay, this is Bill's forum, and we're all guests, and he can do whatever he wants to do including censoring SP for whatever reason, including that he's just plain tired of him. But when it comes to claiming high moral ground in the treatment of people, I call into question all of you for the way you've treated Onawah and all the other people who wished to have a discussion on the material.[COLOR="red"]

People can go hear what he has to say all they want. This forum decided that they did not want to participate in his promotion. Simple. They made the decision because there is overwhelming evidence he has recently been behaving in such a way any clear minded individual would understand is a threat especially to the vulnerable. Many forum members support this and in fact some, like myself encouraged it.

Simon needs to get counseling. Simon needs to remove himself from this community until (and if) he can resolve whatever is behind his behavior so that others are no longer at risk.

In addition, people who are involved in the alternative media should no longer be involved with Simon Parkes at all in an way until he has resolved his issues if he is able so to do.

Members and readers who do not have enough information to understand this might consider the fact that many well grounded members (and many non-members who contacted folks involved with this forum) actually do. Far more than you would ever have wished to know about.

Its real simple.

Simon needs to shut it down and no one should continue propping him up at all in any way until he resolves his issues, if he even can... in this lifetime at least.

This is what a community is all about.

Again, its real simple.

[lizfrench]

This forum is soooo compromised at this point...so sad. I'm considering leaving.

[Tangri]

Posted by onawah (here)
With respect, Sierra, I never implied "that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to 'get' Simon", nor did I say that others' statements were irrelevant, nor did I claim that there were no valid concerns.
My point has always been the same.
We know that the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. If anyone wanted to, numerous positive testimonials could also be provided here.

I have no desire to keep on rehashing this issue either; my last post was only meant to focus on the points which I mentioned in that post.

Now, you are entering deliberately ignorance category.

You are creating a valid statement to support a void defense. I see an engineered intention here.

Your saying " the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. would be valid if Simon didn't blame his father's act on supposedly inappropriate behavior, apologized for him (not himself ) , then, delete all his confession from his web page.

[greybeard]

Can we not agree to disagree and let the whole thing be as it is?
I think we, including me, have all made our thoughts and various positions clear.

Chris

[Ewan]

I've not made all my thoughts clear. So I'll quickly do that now.

1: I didn't care for the posting of the e-mail, especially as it named two forum members. We don't know who it came from nor what reason may have been behind the sending of it.

2: If there is an mp4/mp3 of Simon behaving deplorably and 'losing it' why can't we all hear it and put the matter to rest?

3: It's possible Simon has multiple personality disorder, perhaps even programmed.

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Posted by lizfrench (here)
This forum is soooo compromised at this point...so sad. I'm considering leaving.

This happens from time to time Liz. In the 18 months I've been here I've seen it a few times already, and yes it is disheartening. It's like a few storm clouds gather, sometimes there is a little storm damgae, but the skies clear and on we go.

If we only had blue skies for evermore I'd guess we'd already reached the promised land.

[6pounder]

Does any one remember a post about some of the ways the CIA infiltrates to alt communities and starting a consensus in order to destroy the forum? Like Satanists do to churches btw. Now let's take a moment and ask ourselves, did we make it happen to us without any outside help? I mean look what's going on here guys. We fight over different opinions! Since when did we stop accepting the different??? Like a bunch of egoistic kids who fight over who is more right! What the actual ****???? Take a small step a tiny little step back and look at this whole week from above. From an eyes of a guest who can't make his opinion on the forum and tell me is it a bunch of enlightened people or a bunch of immature egoistic kids who want to scream and shout till their get their "I'm right" candy? So some are for and the rest are against. Can we read a comment of opinion and point of view without firing shots and throwing stones?

Please people. Let's not become another typical alt forum where there are a bunch of enlightened wanna he's....


And for any one there who commented about leaving the community and such. DO NOT GENELALIZE A WHOLE AWESOME COMMUNITY FOR MISBEHAVING OF 1%!!!

[Hervé]

Posted by Ewan (here)
[...]
2: If there is an mp4/mp3 of Simon behaving deplorably and 'losing it' why can't we all hear it and put the matter to rest?
[...]

I guess, like many others, the following in the original thread (post # 148) AND in this thread (post # 82) was skipped over:

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by bettye198 (here)
I was waiting for examples of where Simon perpetrated a wrongful harmful act, where he contradicted himself or became psychopathic. But the conjecture seemed to be focused on his history and his counseling efforts of which I have no interest in.

It is as a counselor there are problems. An example:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1077877

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... please.

The topic of this thread, started by Alberto e Daniela, is how Simon Parkes handles himself in counseling sessions, and how he manages the scheduling and booking of those sessions, with paid clients. That's all.

It potentially affects quite a lot of people who may be at their most vulnerable.

The thread contains specific experiences, that are problematic and concerning, reported by known, real, people, who are forum members. This isn't casual, malevolent, irresponsible innuendo or rumor.

I've been sent a recording of one session, and it's a horror story. Any certified counselor would be banned for life — with no risk of exaggeration — if a formal complaint was made to the certificating authority. In this case, nothing can be done, as Simon isn't qualified or certified.

Of course, I can't and won't share that publicly or privately. It's a little silly, if I may gently say, to ask for that to be posted as 'evidence'. It's for those concerned, and only for those concerned, to share those recordings if they wish or choose. But the session recordings all exist.

This isn't untrue, invented, any kind of a 'smear' or 'attack', or a false malevolent rumor. It is what it is, nothing more or less, and it's merely pretty awful stuff that breaches any counselor's code one might ever conceive of.

[greybeard]

The great majority of members go about their business without the slightest interest in Simon threads including this one.
Avalon is in good health and is not really affected by the ups and downs that are natural for any forum.
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling it with the same argument over and over, and over, and over, and over... (the "bone").

[greybeard]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling it with the same argument over and over,and over, and over, and over... (the "bone").

Oh yes I am well aware of the amount of work that must have been put in---Those who engaged in the thread are also aware of who and what kept it going and your bone post is good Herve.
Its not necessary to highlight "culprits" now, at this time,for as long as we keep doing that this game of ping pong will continue.

I very much understand the frustration that the moderate team must have experienced and no doubt there were PMs sent by them to the "culprits" which were no doubt ignored.

Time to just let the whole thing go surely.

With respect
Chris

[Sierra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling it with the same argument over and over,and over, and over, and over... (the "bone").

Oh yes I am well aware of the amount of work that must have been put in---Those who engaged in the thread are also aware of who and what kept it going and your bone post is good Herve.
Its not necessary to highlight "culprits" now, at this time,for as long as we keep doing that this game of ping pong will continue.

I very much understand the frustration that the moderate team must have experienced and no doubt there were PMs sent by them to the "culprits" which were no doubt ignored.

Time to just let the whole thing go surely.

With respect
Chris

Amen. Let's.

[Chester]

deleted as I agree the best idea is stated in the above post that I just saw after I posted.

[AutumnW]

Deleted..amen

[Omni]

Some time back(Maybe 1-3 years or so) I posted an opposing opinion in the Simon Parkes Thread. I immediately got a PM from someone saying I should show more respect (in other words i should not oppose simon's information, my post was respectful just dissenting). Honestly I'm glad to see Avalon take Simon off the pedestal. He is a disinformant IMO. And even worse I think the black ops sources are using their tech on people to help Simon's cause.

[Ultima Thule]

Slightly off-topic, relating to disagreements and should one be concerned about them and how they reflect the forum:

I see no harm in disagreement, as long as it is handled in a way, which promotes further learning and development.
I see much harm in an alternative forum being really serene and all-enlightened-and-we-pat-eachothers-backs-about-it - therein lies the risk of minority not being able to voice their dissenting opinions out. That may lead to groupthink and really bad decisions get made as people conform to the "everything is wonderful"-ism.

Better to have disagreement.

UT

[Sueanne47]

Posted by Hervé (here)
the same argument over and over, and over, and over, and over...

Simon Parkes overkill!

[araucaria]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Can we not agree to disagree and let the whole thing be as it is?
I think we, including me, have all made our thoughts and various positions clear.

Chris

Well, Chris, I don’t know if this can be put to bed that easily; perhaps Onawah’s definite blind spot is the sole cause; or just maybe it just won’t go away because it is the major issue that we simply have to resolve. It is very flattering for Onawah to compare me to Carmody, but since she also means that I am being less than crystal clear, I for one need to have another go.

We have got to get this sorted, because although Simon’s claims appear outlandish, hybridity does seem to be the key to what is wrong with the world; it is a key ingredient of current paranormal research, and has a long history stretching back to the Book of Genesis and earlier. More generally, it refers to this alien presence that we all feel, whether it be in terms of cryptozoology, visitors from other planets, archons, or ETs from other dimensions. It is the issue on which we have agreed to disagree for far too long. It is high time we got on the same page.

Let me start by agreeing with Sierra: ‘Flash is brilliant’. Now Flash finds my analogy with Anna Breytenbach and the black panther particularly helpful. This will be because it is a prime example of interspecies relations and how they can be dramatically improved. Note: from here on, in any reference to other species, I am referring to a two-way relationship on an equal footing: the notion of animal is not intended as being derogatory or suggesting inferiority in any way. Other species are never easy to relate to: even cats – if you treat cat A the way you treat cat B, you might get scratched. And hybrids can be especially awkward. If I tell you my mongrel is part Rottweiler, most people will know to give it a wide berth, and in any case I will post a Beware of the Dog sign on my gate. This is part of human training or education: we learn about dangerous dogs and how to handle them through hearing about accidents and learning from them. In other words it is a two-way relationship: humans train dogs and at the same time dogs educate humans.

As someone pointed out a while back as I recall, Simon’s self-diagnosis as a hybrid being is certainly borne out by what is happening now (Flash: ‘Not bad if from a real psychopath!!!! lol - this is why I say he has some traits, but some other traits aren't psychopatic. So I am watchful, but without fear, because here, I do not know where to stand.’). He warned people from the outset that he was part reptilian. Those who have studied the reptilian phenomenon understand that even as a minority, these entities tend to rise to dominant positions; hence what has occurred should come as no surprise. It does not make Simon a total conman when a propensity for deception is laid out so explicitly. But it does mean that everything he says should be met with a degree of circumspection, because you never know which part you are dealing with, and as I said, the odds are it will be reptilian-influenced. You can train a young dog not to chase cats, but during that process you can watch it thinking, ‘I know I’m going to get smacked on the nose for this, but I’m going to do it anyway’. In other words, ahead of the fully tamed behaviour there is a thought process going on, at which point there is still time to say no. Seen in this light – which is I think where Flash is coming from – the likes of Simon Parkes should be seen as valuable assets since they have a built-in human component to work with rather than having to start from scratch with a dog, or with a full-blown reptilian.

Hence the decision that this forum should have no truck with Simon Parkes the counsellor makes perfect sense. Let me be absolutely clear in giving my full support to that call by Bill and the mods. In a situation where violence is being committed, the first step has to be to separate the attacker from the victim and from other potential victims. That is the smack on the nose, or if you like, it is the equivalent of having the panther Diabolo locked up on his own. But it is only a short-term stopgap solution. We still need an Anna Breytenbach for effective mediation. Simon himself has been trying to act as mediator, which may be viewed as devious by some and well-meaning by others, but we can all agree that it isn’t working. At best he can be a negotiator; but you cannot negotiate a truce without first calling a ceasefire.

So we need to take a closer look at Anna Breytenbach’s method. And to the extent that Flash was able to emerge unscathed from ‘the panther’s cage’, we need to understand what she is saying too. Beyond the actual ability to communicate and most of all listen, Anna’s main tool in her communication package appears to be her ability to dedramatize. ‘What seems to be the matter? You don’t like your name: it can be changed. You were badly treated: we are trying to treat you properly, things have improved, the door is open but you don’t seem interested. You are worried about those two cubs: now that we know about them, we can bring them to you. Is that all? Consider it done.’ It seems so trivial as to be beyond belief, and yet so not beyond relief: you have to believe it because the results are so instant and spectacular – gratitude on both sides, thank you, thank you and thank you for saying thank you... No one can claim that Anna Breytenbach is not the real deal. Things become dramatic when left to fester for whatever reason over a long period of time. You dedramatize by seeing what needs fixing right now and fixing it; that is often left than anticipated, but it requires courage, because it involves a capacity for friendship – even with the most hopelessly vicious panther.

One time, I was speaking with Shane (another deemed illuminati reptilian), and he was telling me (truth or not, it does not matter, the archetypal story does), that the human specie was very near extinction after a planet wide cataclysm and that we were so desperate for help, going to be extinct, FEELING LIKE NATURE'S VICTIMS.

The Dracos saw this and took the opportunity to offer help (SAVIOR), which we were starving for as a specie - and still are, the archetype being so well implanted.

And slowly, like good sharks going around their prey, they slowly introduced helping conditions which were equating to promoting them as gods and giving ourselves as slaves basically (they have zero respect for their prey), letting go of our powers by not believing in ourselves.

They became the PERPRETATORS, and assigned young human perpretators to represent this kind of energies on the planet.

Shane, intentionally or not, was clearly explaining to me the origins of the victims complex, for all people on earth, the origins of this victim archetype we all adopted and continue to pursue, implement, use, even fighting to remain in it.

Before I apply the Anna Breytenbach method to the above, I would take issue with the idea of ‘good sharks going around their prey’: this is not necessarily the case at all. Take the situation of Athens in ancient Greece. In the early fifth century BC, Athens played a major role in defending Hellas against the Persian invader, largely through its skill in building and sailing triremes. In the aftermath of the Persian war, an alliance of Greek city states was formed to avoid a repeat scenario. The original idea was for all to contribute ships and men, but over time they found it simpler to delegate this task to the skilled Athenians, who collected payments of tribute to finance the building of what became their own all-powerful fleet. The result was Athenian imperialism, and was the root cause of the Peloponnesian War (431-404 BC), a civil war of Greeks against Greeks which resulted in the downfall of Athens, the cradle of modern civilization. Hence, while some may be born sharks, others have sharkhood thrust upon them – something went wrong along the way, with no one to blame and everyone losing out.

Some transposition is needed, as the roles have been partly reversed. Okay, what seems to be the matter with you humans? Well you saved us from catastrophe once, and of course we are eternally grateful for that. But the victimhood was not part of that problem, it was caused by the problem and ought to have disappeared when it was solved. It is not part of our nature to invite predatory behaviour: please stop calling us victims and treating us like victims. If you can do that, then we can find other better ways of thanking you for your help; we can get to know each other and maybe help you or share friendship in some mutually beneficial way. We cannot be properly grateful until we are also released from victimhood.

There is the story of Androcles and the lion. In one version, Androcles is an early Christian who once helped a lion by removing a thorn from its paw. When they next meet, in the Coliseum, the lion declines to rip him to pieces. In the words of Apion, "Afterwards we used to see Androclus with the lion attached to a slender leash, making the rounds of the tabernae throughout the city; Androclus was given money, the lion was sprinkled with flowers, and everyone who met them anywhere exclaimed, 'This is the lion, a man's friend; this is the man, a lion's doctor'".

[greybeard]

Yes araurcaria but that is a different subject from the one on this thread
You could start a thread specially to that.
Onawah is unlikely to change her position and why should she?
Every time her position is questioned she will naturally respond.
Surely we have exhausted all possibility of this particular thread?
This is the only reason I suggest let it be.
This in not taking away from the original post /thread on counseling given and all that stemmed from that.
A brave and essential under taking in my view.

Maybe I have said to much already.
Please do no respond to this post, as next thing there will here we go again.

With respect for all who have posted on this subject.

Chris

[Sierra]

Posted by araucaria (here)
We have got to get this sorted, because although Simon’s claims appear outlandish, hybridity does seem to be the key to what is wrong with the world; it is a key ingredient of current paranormal research, and has a long history stretching back to the Book of Genesis and earlier. More generally, it refers to this alien presence that we all feel, whether it be in terms of cryptozoology, visitors from other planets, archons, or ETs from other dimensions. It is the issue on which we have agreed to disagree for far too long. It is high time we got on the same page.

Ara, your post is too good to languish in a thread dominated by head banging drama, lol (and I include myself in that category). I can't see people slogging through eight pages of sturm un drang to get to your jewel.

Not too sure how you would introduce the topic separately from the Simon/counseling issue without collapsing more brick walls...

De-dramatization, love it.

And thank you for the explanation, I wasn't quite getting what Flash was saying about the catastrophe/victimhood/predator cycle.

Ignore me too as you wish, but I agree with Greybeard, a separate topic on a separate thread. The moderators can moderate if it devolves into another Bohemian Rhapsody...