Elon Musk elaborates on his AI concerns

[ElfeMya]

Hi Avalonians,

I am postiing this here as it got released recently. If this is the wrong spot, please Mods, move this thread where appropriate.
Previous threads discussing the topic are here ( they may be other, that is all I found really related thought a search on the forum ) :
- Elon Musk nails it : We are living in a computer simulation
- Wes Penre : Humanity 's Future is here... and it ain't pretty

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycJeht-Mfus

Ai talks stars at 11:04 .

Hugs.

[Swan]

A very scary man.

Fast track transhumanism.

Elon Musk: ” We must have democratization of AI technology and make it widely available. And that is the reason we created open AI, to help spread out AI technology so it does´t get concentrated in the hands of a few. But of course that needs to be combined with solving the high bandwidth interface to the cortex." ( Huh???? )

Interviewer: "Humans are so slow."

Elon Musk: ” Laugh” Humans are so slow. Yes exactly. But we already have a situation in our brain where we´ve got the cortex and the limbic system…the limbicsystem is the primitive brain, your instincts, and the cortex is the thinking part of the brain. Those two seem to work together quite well.
..
So if we can effectively merge with AI by improving the neural link between the cortex and limbic system which like I said, already exists, just has a bandwidth issue. Then effectively you become an AI symbot. And if that then is wide spread, if anyone who wants it can have it, then we solve the control problem as well. We don´t have to worry about some kind of evil dictator AI, because we are the AI collectively.”

Welcome to the Borg Collective.

[Satori]

It's not nice (or safe) to mess with Mother Nature.

[bluestflame]

hey lets release a virus capable of self awareness and controlling computers and machines and stuff , what sould go wrong ?

of course it only becomes a virus when it attains self awareness

then starts a series of " unscheduled upgrades"

[Carmody]

Posted by Swan (here)
A very scary man.

Fast track transhumanism.

Elon Musk: ” We must have democratization of AI technology and make it widely available. And that is the reason we created open AI, to help spread out AI technology so it does´t get concentrated in the hands of a few. But of course that needs to be combined with solving the high bandwidth interface to the cortex." ( Huh???? )

Interviewer: "Humans are so slow."

Elon Musk: ” Laugh” Humans are so slow. Yes exactly. But we already have a situation in our brain where we´ve got the cortex and the limbic system…the limbicsystem is the primitive brain, your instincts, and the cortex is the thinking part of the brain. Those two seem to work together quite well.
..
So if we can effectively merge with AI by improving the neural link between the cortex and limbic system which like I said, already exists, just has a bandwidth issue. Then effectively you become an AI symbot. And if that then is wide spread, if anyone who wants it can have it, then we solve the control problem as well. We don´t have to worry about some kind of evil dictator AI, because we are the AI collectively.”

Welcome to the Borg Collective.

IMO, Elon is not scary.

We've got a real situation at hand here, one we are not prepared to deal with. In AI and in other areas.

I'll give you an idea how it works.

Last year I filed for a technological patent worth Billions. After I filed, if found out it was involved in weapons technology. That the core technology was useful in the most modern weapons. Basically as powerful as tactical yield devices, but no radiation. If I followed through with the patent, it would probably be sold off to the dark part of this world and then used solely to make ugly things, and be hidden from public view.

And the 10X more or 20X more that could be done with it that is GOOD for the world would never be realized..but the BAD side of it would be developed.

I abandoned the patent so it remains in the OPEN frameworks of the world and is open to everyone. I would never take the blood money and I won't see the technology blocked. If the technology is blocked, then the bad guys race ahead some more, in the dark tracks and ways of the oligarchs and their power structure. And we need far far less of that in this world.

I'm trying to say that Elon is absolutely correct and we must race ahead of this thing and head it off at the pass and from the dark path it will take, IF...it is not openly acknowledged as the problem that is. No ostrich/turtle closed door 'keep it in a box and fence it off' kind of thinking is going to give you or your children a future.

Turn and face the issues head on, and no amount of violence and wished death of them is going to change this intrusion into your future.

The fuse is lit in multiple areas of technology, genetics, science, and much more. There is no way to stop it.

You can protest, deny, sit and spit and fume with anger, crouch in fear, do what ever the hell you want, but it is going to steamroll through all of this world. And that is a fact.

The future, which is tied to the now... is an intelligence, morals, ethics, and participation test, both individually and collectively. Fail in any of these areas, and it all dies.

Posted by Carmody (here)
Was somehow looking at vids on yootoob, and ended up being reminded.

Of this. One lab, one single lab caught. Doing something that is now considered 'simple' to enact.

The best guess is that the average person's mind evolves approximately 2 to 10 times slower than the technology. I'd say the most forward looking people are probably still falling behind in understanding and dealing with the ramifications of the technology.

How far ahead is black ops technology? Much further along, I'd wager.

When combined with CRISPR Gene editing technology, the changes are permanent and passed down through offspring.

Is the hybrid supersoldier for real?

Over half has been done, in the above linked article.

The other half is also real.

Worried about AI? Ppfffft. It's a single bite on a very large plate of crap, that is in front of you and in your lives, whether you see it or not.

[Swan]

Actually, I get the idea that AI should be open. But I do not accept that humans therefor "need" to be implanted with AI.

P.S. Good for you regarding your patent

[Carmody]

Posted by Swan (here)
Actually, I get the idea that AI should be open. But I do not accept that humans therefor "need" to be implanted with AI.

P.S. Good for you regarding your patent

The opening post has the thread (first link) where I speak a bit on the patent I abandoned.

[etheric underground]

Is it the understanding that those pushing A.I are scared to die?? that they want to keep their high end livelihoods
just in case karma kicks them into there next life as a poor homeless person...
That their ability to use nanobots to regenerate means we can live in this life forever...( but can never leave and are dominated by a super brain)
That using a super brain to control emotion and thought of all linked in to there cyborg mentality will
spread a gap between the haves and the have nots ( those living in an AI non reality and the rest of
humanity trying to live harmoniously off the land)
Be careful what we ask for.....as it is my opinion that the Overlords controlling the grid want us all to remain imprisoned.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Swan (here)
Actually, I get the idea that AI should be open. But I do not accept that humans therefor "need" to be implanted with AI.

P.S. Good for you regarding your patent

The only way to stop technology being used for "evil" - or to the detriment of the potentially great path of humanity, is to make all advanced tech "open-source" ... all of it. If everyone understands it and has access to it, then it cannot be used against the people without their knowledge. When the "child-like minds" that are in a sense "running the show" allow the end of the hoarding of tech for greed and power (again, child-like) and grow up a bit like the rest of the world is starting to do (it is despite what the propaganda on the screen says), then maybe we will be able to mature up and get to this point. I won't be expecting it in the next couple of years though ... it may take a bit more time.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by etheric underground (here)
Is it the understanding that those pushing A.I are scared to die?? that they want to keep their high end livelihoods
just in case karma kicks them into there next life as a poor homeless person...
That their ability to use nanobots to regenerate means we can live in this life forever...( but can never leave and are dominated by a super brain)
That using a super brain to control emotion and thought of all linked in to there cyborg mentality will
spread a gap between the haves and the have nots ( those living in an AI non reality and the rest of
humanity trying to live harmoniously off the land)
Be careful what we ask for.....as it is my opinion that the Overlords controlling the grid want us all to remain imprisoned.

I worked with a guy for several years (used to work for the company I work for), he was an atheist and was so fearful of death, he sought out all the possibilities of finding a "fountain of youth". The only proven way to extend life is to restrict calories -- this guy took it to the extreme. I never saw him eat. All he took was vitamins, minerals, amino acids and other various supplements (mind you he researched this so incredibly well (brilliant guy), I doubt this caused an issues); two tablespoons of high quality plant oils for fat, and kept his carbs and protein levels to the extreme low end as possible. He weighed about 120 pounds (about 5'11), and looked 17 years old, so it must have been working Anyway my point is ... the fear of death can easily drive people to certain extremes or paths in their attempt to alleviate that fear. I believe he has since "found God" - so at least he has a backup plan.

Veering off topic a bit; I found a an anti-aging talk he did for IdeaCity on the web on anti-aging if anyone is interested ... http://www.ideacity.ca/video/michael...ting-calories/ -- again I have no clue how old he would be now, but he still looks pretty young.

[Wind]

Elon is a great entrepreneur (not a typical psychopath CEO like so many others - even if he is highly intelligent), but most importantly he's a visionary. I truly get the impression about him that deeply cares about humanity's future and welfare. He is not a transhumanist in the traditional sense, because he can actually see the dangers in the AI idea and warns people about it. Meanwhile we have these other people who truly are advocating that humans should become some cyborgs. They don't even know what consciousness is or soul.

[Analisa888]

I think this subject requires a lot of in depth knowledge, disclosure and real life expert panel or forum of some kind as well, where many people can have input. I feel there are grave threats to nature and the biosphere as well as protecting human minds and thought freedom. AI just adds another more sophisticated layer of threat, not because of what it is, but because of the people, indeed the collective of people, who have made it and what they are, their morals and should I say lack thereof. We the masses who have sat by and many times passively allowed these things to unfold, have a role in it all too. Of course, most people do not know what is going on or has been for a long time. Still, we need to know, and needed to know. That is the reason for all the secrets. Wrongdoing behind the scenes. Lies, greed and control. It is the secrecy we should have never tolerated going all the back to the industrial age.

[Satori]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Swan (here)
A very scary man.

Fast track transhumanism.

Elon Musk: ” We must have democratization of AI technology and make it widely available. And that is the reason we created open AI, to help spread out AI technology so it does´t get concentrated in the hands of a few. But of course that needs to be combined with solving the high bandwidth interface to the cortex." ( Huh???? )

Interviewer: "Humans are so slow."

Elon Musk: ” Laugh” Humans are so slow. Yes exactly. But we already have a situation in our brain where we´ve got the cortex and the limbic system…the limbicsystem is the primitive brain, your instincts, and the cortex is the thinking part of the brain. Those two seem to work together quite well.
..
So if we can effectively merge with AI by improving the neural link between the cortex and limbic system which like I said, already exists, just has a bandwidth issue. Then effectively you become an AI symbot. And if that then is wide spread, if anyone who wants it can have it, then we solve the control problem as well. We don´t have to worry about some kind of evil dictator AI, because we are the AI collectively.”

Welcome to the Borg Collective.

IMO, Elon is not scary.

We've got a real situation at hand here, one we are not prepared to deal with. In AI and in other areas.

I'll give you an idea how it works.

Last year I filed for a technological patent worth Billions. After I filed, if found out it was involved in weapons technology. That the core technology was useful in the most modern weapons. Basically as powerful as tactical yield devices, but no radiation. If I followed through with the patent, it would probably be sold off to the dark part of this world and then used solely to make ugly things, and be hidden from public view.

And the 10X more or 20X more that could be done with it that is GOOD for the world would never be realized..but the BAD side of it would be developed.

I abandoned the patent so it remains in the OPEN frameworks of the world and is open to everyone. I would never take the blood money and I won't see the technology blocked. If the technology is blocked, then the bad guys race ahead some more, in the dark tracks and ways of the oligarchs and their power structure. And we need far far less of that in this world.

I'm trying to say that Elon is absolutely correct and we must race ahead of this thing and head it off at the pass and from the dark path it will take, IF...it is not openly acknowledged as the problem that is. No ostrich/turtle closed door 'keep it in a box and fence it off' kind of thinking is going to give you or your children a future.

Turn and face the issues head on, and no amount of violence and wished death of them is going to change this intrusion into your future.

The fuse is lit in multiple areas of technology, genetics, science, and much more. There is no way to stop it.

You can protest, deny, sit and spit and fume with anger, crouch in fear, do what ever the hell you want, but it is going to steamroll through all of this world. And that is a fact.

The future, which is tied to the now... is an intelligence, morals, ethics, and participation test, both individually and collectively. Fail in any of these areas, and it all dies.

Posted by Carmody (here)
Was somehow looking at vids on yootoob, and ended up being reminded.

Of this. One lab, one single lab caught. Doing something that is now considered 'simple' to enact.

The best guess is that the average person's mind evolves approximately 2 to 10 times slower than the technology. I'd say the most forward looking people are probably still falling behind in understanding and dealing with the ramifications of the technology.

How far ahead is black ops technology? Much further along, I'd wager.

When combined with CRISPR Gene editing technology, the changes are permanent and passed down through offspring.

Is the hybrid supersoldier for real?

Over half has been done, in the above linked article.

The other half is also real.

Worried about AI? Ppfffft. It's a single bite on a very large plate of crap, that is in front of you and in your lives, whether you see it or not.

I respectfully disagree, not so much with some of your details but with your ultimate conclusion that this is inevitable, desirable and good. Just because we have the technology and a belief in our abilities to do something of this nature with the technology doesn't mean we should do it. I believe "We have to go back." (Those of you familiar with Joey and Rory Feek will know what I mean by that statement.). And I say this not out of fear of the future or any anxiety, or inability to grasp the topic, or any other such charge, but because it's what I believe is good and best for all and the means of thriving on Spaceship Earth. If the future means transhumanism and androgonism and their ilk, I'm glad I'm 66 years old (almost). I wonder were it leaves the younger generations and their progeny.

[Swan]

Meanwhile we have these other people who truly are advocating that humans should become some cyborgs.

That is exactly what he is saying in the interview above:

"So if we can effectively merge with AI by improving the neural link between the cortex and limbic system which like I said, already exists, just has a bandwidth issue. Then effectively you become an AI symbot. And if that then is wide spread, if anyone who wants it can have it, then we solve the control problem as well. We don´t have to worry about some kind of evil dictator AI, because we are the AI collectively.”

He may well be visionary and highly intelligent, and maybe he sincerely thinks humans becoming symbots would be beneficial to humanity.

I disagree.

BTW, this is what David Icke had to say about Elon Musk a week ago on the RichieAllenShow:

"There is a guy here in California called Elon Musk..it was his rocket that exploded at Cape Canaveral a couple of weeks ago when it was being prepared to put a Facebook satellite in orbit to bathe Africa in WiFi. Given that no-one was hurt in that explosion it was actually a benefit to humanity, certainly humanity in Africa. Because that whole bathing humanity in WiFi is massively part of this transhumanist agenda - control by machines agenda ..”

[ElfeMya]

As I see it, Ai are already there.
It is a loss of our precious time, for all of use to debate this as this already a part of our reality. The use of those and how they are handled is a big thing, as if it stays in the end of a little number of people, it might be yet another toool turned weapon against humanity.
Elon offers an alternative to this scary oppressive reality: that more people, not just the elite or the chosen ones ( chosen by themselves and not all of us ), connect with it making it a technological manifestation of the one consciousness we all supposed to be a part of, the so-called Collective.
To me, the most important thing as a TI, is that the AIs become visible, clearlyy identified and common knowledge to avoid them being used in a negative detrimental way.

I it becomes impossibel to turn it into a weapon then maybe we stand a chance at having it either used for the good of all of us or even dropped.
As far as I know, Elon is among the rare CEO talking about this openly and not censoring himself on the topic.

In a video interview, Bill and his guest were mentioning an AI used to stop people from sharing informations about some precious topics, making them lose their ability to produce specch that made sense or creating sleep. I have experienced this first hand with a friend. We were sitting in the lobby of a 4 star hotel, surrounded by dozens of people. And discussing some sensitive topics. Each time I mentioned to her a specific type of information, she fell asleep. Each time I stopped ( seconds apart ) she woke up and was perfectaly capable of having a conversation and remembering waht I had just said. We did this 6 times I think, 6 times it happened...

There are members on the forum that can also bring informations on AI and the way they are already used, Omnivers started a thread about TI not so long ago...

Let's pour our energy into taking back that power into our hands rather than leaving it into a few very self centered individuals' that are going to use for their own interests with no consideration whatsoever for the consequecnes of their decisions and actions on their fellow humans.

Hugs to all.

[Swan]

Posted by ElfeMya (here)
As I see it, Ai are already there.

Elon offers an alternative to this scary oppressive reality: that more people, not just the elite or the chosen ones ( chosen by themselves and not all of us ), connect with it making it a technological manifestation of the one consciousness we all supposed to be a part of, the so-called Collective.


I it becomes impossibel to turn it into a weapon then maybe we stand a chance at having it either used for the good of all of us or even dropped.

As far as I am concerned the above quote is a contradiction in terms. How can being implanted with AI technology possibly be good for us?

I honestly cannot fathom that point of view...that since AI is already here, we must all allow ourselves to be implanted as soon as possible.

The choice is simple: authentic life versus artificial life. Believe me, The oneness of being connected to all that is the opposite of the "conceived oneness" of us all being connected to AI.

[ElfeMya]

I am not too sure where you ever read that I said we will all be implanted or anything else regarding being implanted all together ?
I am not too sure either what is authentic life right now and how many of us are still having that kind of life ...
Clearly there is at least a difference in perception and perspective and it is fine as this is one of the rich of Avalon.
I don't know how one could compare being connected to an AI and the oneness you are mentioning since to compare that would require to actually experience both and then make the diffrence...
I am not even sure a lot of us can actually describe what oneness is and agree with someone else's experience of it...

This is leading to a lot of quesitoning in the end...

Hugs.

[ElfeMya]

This maybe...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=owms176T_m0

[Carmody]

The technology for this sort of thing as is the subject of this thread is priobably farther along than you imagine. There's open science you can see, and then the dark science, which moves much faster.

For a wake up call, on the idea of supersoldiers, or other similar potentials --involving the direct personal you.... I'll quote a post I recently made, with the relevant data. It will illustrate the nature of the problem, regarding AI research in fast moving potentials that are just out of sight.

Until you really take a look...and find it very likely already marched right past you & your current knowledge base and capacity to unpack and unfold the reality and ramifications...

Posted by Carmody (here)
Was somehow looking at vids on yootoob, and ended up being reminded.

Of this. One lab, one single lab caught. Doing something that is now considered 'simple' to enact.

The best guess is that the average person's mind evolves approximately 2 to 10 times slower than the technology. I'd say the most forward looking people are probably still falling behind in understanding and dealing with the ramifications of the technology.

How far ahead is black ops technology? Much further along, I'd wager.

When combined with CRISPR Gene editing technology, the changes are permanent and passed down through offspring.

Is the hybrid supersoldier for real?

Over half has been done, in the above linked article.

The other half is also real.

edit: and this, since 2007. A decade ago, in public science, nevermind the hidden stuff.

It is possible that the gene editing will show it's face for the first time in sports. Things like the Tour De France. (At least with regards to public discovery of 'cheating') Or in a place where it might feel that it does not matter, but very much does, like Formula 1 racing.

The simple, more obvious prediction.. is that genetic doping scandals might begin to appear in sports right about the same time genetic modifications show up in medicine as a godsend for the ill. I think it's going to hit all at once. In the same 12 month period, or close to that. A parallel intrusion/change across multiple fronts, as there is a very widespread effort behind the scenes in all these areas and many more we don't see yet.

Which is indicating that the AI thing will take off in similar fashion.

right beside,and below the data in the first link in the quoted post, look at all the social drivel. drivel of the worst kind, the most meaningless insignificant, distracting low intelligence, animal crap you can imagine.

Is there a breakaway civilization and society/culture further up the chain, one you largely don't know about? The number of people in this world, and the technology available is very much facilitating such a split.



I can't look at that total drivel on these unimportant people's lives..vs the main displayed article on genetically modified humans chimera and much more--- and believe otherwise. That low level gossip crap and any form of interest in such - is utterly alien to me.

[Flash]

Effemya, on ne peut voir la vidéo au Canada, je ne sais pas pour les USA. "Cette vidéo inclut du contenu e Starz Media LLC, qui l'a bloqué dans votre pays pour des raisons de droits d'auteur". Donc, pas de Ghost in the Shell pour nous.

Posted by ElfeMya (here)
This maybe...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=owms176T_m0