Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

[AutumnW]

Let's be realistic about racism here. I read an article written by someone who worked in human resources for a large corporation. She said that all resumes sent in by people with names like, Latoya, shalalya, and other black sounding first names, as well as those with presidential last or first names, like Franklin, Roosevelt, etc.. were immediately trashed. THAT is institutional racism and THAT is almost impossible to prove.

[TargeT]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Let's be realistic about racism here. I read an article written by someone who worked in human resources for a large corporation. She said that all resumes sent in by people with names like, Latoya, shalalya, and other black sounding first names, as well as those with presidential last or first names, like Franklin, Roosevelt, etc.. were immediately trashed. THAT is institutional racism and THAT is almost impossible to prove.

That is highly illegal and I doubt it happens currently.

IN FACT, most HR departments of large corporations (I've worked for a few) use a mostly automated selection process & let department heads or hiring boards do the final selection. I don not believe this lady, nor what she told you.



Culture is the key.. not race. This is a very well done discussion on the topic.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TY1_UWMy83c

[DNA]

It is a culture thing Targe, but there are a lot of factors involved. You could say our very worth our self worth is often determined by our standing in society and if we are deemed a success or failure in that society we often agree with society's sentiment in this regard.
For instance a guy working a minimum wage job and barely making enough to eat for his family would often be considered a failure.
In the grand scheme of things this min wage guy has it far better than say a King of a middle ages European Kingdom or the Captain of a sea faring English Navy vessel from the 1600's in so far as living conditions, safety of self and family and food. But because of the internal agreement with society we often suffer internal hardship if deemed a failure by society.
This is why a counter culture exists.
When you have little to no chance of being a success in the greater more accepted culture at large, you create a new culture, with new rules for what a success is.
When you change the definition for success you are creating achievable goals and thus when you achieve these new goals you increase your status in the counter culture and thus your self worth.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

“Why doesn’t anybody talk about the racism against white people?” This is called "reverse racism." Reverse racism doesn’t and can’t exist because racism is one group exerting social, political and economic power over another group. The powerless group can’t exert power over the dominant group because the dominant group collectively possesses the majority of power. Look at the majority of people in power. They aren't Black, Hispanic, Syrian, Yemeni, Indigenous, etc. They're predominantly white or light skinned.... The darker the skin, the greater the oppression, generally speaking.

You're seeing what you want to and not what I wrote, they were the dominant group.

The dominant group in your personal experience doesn't necessarily represent the institutional power over the planet.

You could be a white rabbit living in a neighborhood of black rabbits while white rabbits assume political power over the whole kingdom.

So what is your point then? Are you saying people like me can't say there's any racism against white people because white people are oppressing dark skinned people on a global scale, or are you agreeing that the condescending point you made about my comment was completely invalid, because despite the larger scale there is most definately racism against white people?

[DNA]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

“Why doesn’t anybody talk about the racism against white people?” This is called "reverse racism." Reverse racism doesn’t and can’t exist because racism is one group exerting social, political and economic power over another group. The powerless group can’t exert power over the dominant group because the dominant group collectively possesses the majority of power. Look at the majority of people in power. They aren't Black, Hispanic, Syrian, Yemeni, Indigenous, etc. They're predominantly white or light skinned.... The darker the skin, the greater the oppression, generally speaking.

You're seeing what you want to and not what I wrote, they were the dominant group.

The dominant group in your personal experience doesn't necessarily represent the institutional power over the planet.

You could be a white rabbit living in a neighborhood of black rabbits while white rabbits assume political power over the whole kingdom.

I think when someone is sharing something so personal and that has obviously affected them so much, we should take that individual sharing into account more so than push our own agenda.
I understand you are new here IF, but one of the reasons this forum is really special, is we care more about our fellow members and as such try to make being correct and or right take a back seat to what is really more important, and in this instance, it would be more important to validate someone's personal experience and allow them to share it than to argue over some trivial inconsequential such as the defining of a specific word the sharer used. In arguing over semantics you are really losing the important aspect of the post here, and that is someone is sharing their pain.

[Innocent Warrior]

DNA, if Intuitive Fish was correct then I wouldn’t mind at all, regardless of what I've gone through or how much pain I experience.

Not enough people are prepared to get their hands dirty. The dirty, messy truth of real life is too uncomfortable, too many prefer bombastic social engineering terms and programming, which is speeding us towards our own extinction, in the most horrific way.

I feel massive shame whenever I share anything personal like that but I did it anyway because I believe the truth of real life will give rise to empathy and compassion and turn this speeding train around. But you know what? It’s not worth it, there aren’t enough people like you in this world, DNA, and I’m done. I will never share anything personal again.

Intuitive Fish, never mind answering my questions to you, believe what you want, and...

And I know my place yeah, I’ve gotta keep my white privileged mouth shut and feel guilty for what has happened in the past.

thanks for proving my point.

[Intuitive Fish]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

“Why doesn’t anybody talk about the racism against white people?” This is called "reverse racism." Reverse racism doesn’t and can’t exist because racism is one group exerting social, political and economic power over another group. The powerless group can’t exert power over the dominant group because the dominant group collectively possesses the majority of power. Look at the majority of people in power. They aren't Black, Hispanic, Syrian, Yemeni, Indigenous, etc. They're predominantly white or light skinned.... The darker the skin, the greater the oppression, generally speaking.

You're seeing what you want to and not what I wrote, they were the dominant group.

The dominant group in your personal experience doesn't necessarily represent the institutional power over the planet.

You could be a white rabbit living in a neighborhood of black rabbits while white rabbits assume political power over the whole kingdom.

So what is your point then? Are you saying people like me can't say there's any racism against white people because white people are oppressing dark skinned people on a global scale, or are you agreeing that the condescending point you made about my comment was completely invalid, because despite the larger scale there is most definately racism against white people?

I did not intend to be condescending and I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear about that since you shared your personal story, which I think is valid. Being treated wrongly is not right and it creates consequences and long-lasting traumas, affecting not only the rest of your life, but your relationships and therefore the world at large....

Explaining WHY that occurs and possibly occurred to you does not diminish your experience at all in my mind. My intention was to provide a bigger picture or more expansive perspective on why Black people might do the things they do. I'm watching their incredible plight, everyday struggles and excruciating tears while the majority of the world accuses POC's of being dangerous, violent, untrustworthy, lazy, ignorant, in gangs, on welfare, birthing too many kids, stealing jobs, criminals, terrorists, extremists, "3rd world," they need to go back to their own country and pay for the wall.... And it's just baffling how their narrative constantly gets silenced, erased or replaced with non-POC's experiences, thoughts and opinions.

So, yes. Everyone's experiences and thoughts are valid and everything affects our universal framework. But the Black community as a whole is and has been experiencing a crisis. There's a whole neighborhood of homes burning down but we're ignoring them and instead focusing on issues which only perpetuate more of those burning homes.

You're free to call out white racism if that's your view. My point was that, in my view, your experiences and others like them aren't a direct result of racism. They're a result of people lashing out in pain because they experience racism. So the problem isn't Black people. The problem is racism.

[Intuitive Fish]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

“Why doesn’t anybody talk about the racism against white people?” This is called "reverse racism." Reverse racism doesn’t and can’t exist because racism is one group exerting social, political and economic power over another group. The powerless group can’t exert power over the dominant group because the dominant group collectively possesses the majority of power. Look at the majority of people in power. They aren't Black, Hispanic, Syrian, Yemeni, Indigenous, etc. They're predominantly white or light skinned.... The darker the skin, the greater the oppression, generally speaking.

You're seeing what you want to and not what I wrote, they were the dominant group.

The dominant group in your personal experience doesn't necessarily represent the institutional power over the planet.

You could be a white rabbit living in a neighborhood of black rabbits while white rabbits assume political power over the whole kingdom.

I think when someone is sharing something so personal and that has obviously affected them so much, we should take that individual sharing into account more so than push our own agenda.
I understand you are new here IF, but one of the reasons this forum is really special, is we care more about our fellow members and as such try to make being correct and or right take a back seat to what is really more important, and in this instance, it would be more important to validate someone's personal experience and allow them to share it than to argue over some trivial inconsequential such as the defining of a specific word the sharer used. In arguing over semantics you are really losing the important aspect of the post here, and that is someone is sharing their pain.

Noted.

I think I felt the need to defend the POC experience, which I trust is just as important as any forum member (if we can't respect all, how do we respect one?) but I can see how I came across as arguing semantics and I apologize for that.

[Intuitive Fish]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
DNA, if Intuitive Fish was correct then I wouldn’t mind at all, regardless of what I've gone through or how much pain I experience.

Not enough people are prepared to get their hands dirty. The dirty, messy truth of real life is too uncomfortable, too many prefer bombastic social engineering terms and programming, which is speeding us towards our own extinction, in the most horrific way.

I feel massive shame whenever I share anything personal like that but I did it anyway because I believe the truth of real life will give rise to empathy and compassion and turn this speeding train around. But you know what? It’s not worth it, there aren’t enough people like you in this world, DNA, and I’m done. I will never share anything personal again.

Intuitive Fish, never mind answering my questions to you, believe what you want, and...

And I know my place yeah, I’ve gotta keep my white privileged mouth shut and feel guilty for what has happened in the past.

thanks for proving my point.

Innocent Warrior, I'm sorry, I replied to your last post before I read this one. I'd like to apologize again, if I may, for being insensitive to your sharing vulnerable and personal experiences. I was so looking forward to meeting new friends and possibly family in this forum and I didn't at all plan on jumping in right away to a controversial topic (controversial to this forum.) I think I'm trying to figure out if I can trust anyone here by noticing how people treat others who might be considered outsiders... or how I'm treated if I go out on a limb and voice my personal and vulnerable truths. Tbh, I was terrified and I'm still kinda waiting to get banned at any second! But your words are a good reminder that life is scary, relationships are complex, and stuff is beyond challenging and hard for everyone.... And at the end of the day, kindness, sensitivity and self-respect rule anything worth existing for.

[Intuitive Fish]

[QUOTE=Cidersomerset;1101266]I'm just looking at Davids headline page and heres a couple articles
if already posted I apologise , I had a quick skim thru the thread
but did not notice them.....


Charlotte Riots Show Hallmarks Of George Soros Operation

By David on 24 September 2016 GMT The Police State

ACTIVIST POST....


Charlotte Riots Show Hallmarks Of George Soros Operation

TOPICS:Civil UnrestGeorge SorosJoe Jankowski.

September 23, 2016



By Joseph Jankowski

Cidersomerset, your post sparked some thoughts.

George Soros is a brilliant mastermind and an incredibly powerful human being. His brilliancy seems to lie in mixing truth and higher intelligence with outright, blatant evil.

Do you remember the last coup attempt in Turkey? They say Soros was behind that as well, and it makes sense. The people are incredibly suppressed under Erdogan's regime. Turkey is the last place I'd want to be. But what better way to justify the expansion of a dictatorship than to use the excuse of an attempted coup to execute members of your own military in cold blood, get rid of the majority of journalists and teachers and oppress your own people?

Maybe Soros is using the same playbook with Black uprisings. That doesn't mean the people attempting to climb out of an oppressive regime or institutional oppression are necessarily violent, wrong or at fault.... But that's exactly what they want us to believe.

Have you noticed what we've done to the word "terrorist"? It always seem to apply to POC's. If the terrorist is white, all of a sudden, he has a mental illness and needs to be rehabilitated.

They have an interest in fueling hate toward POC "rebels" so they can continue militarizing a police state. Few seem to notice that lately more and more funds are funneled into adding more police officers in U.S. cities, more "security" checkpoints, millions of dollars spent on riot gear.... All to protect us from the scary black people who are protesting because they can't even lay on the ground with their hands up in the air without getting shot by police.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
Innocent Warrior, I'm sorry, I replied to your last post before I read this one. I'd like to apologize again, if I may, for being insensitive to your sharing vulnerable and personal experiences. I was so looking forward to meeting new friends and possibly family in this forum and I didn't at all plan on jumping in right away to a controversial topic (controversial to this forum.) I think I'm trying to figure out if I can trust anyone here by noticing how people treat others who might be considered outsiders... or how I'm treated if I go out on a limb and voice my personal and vulnerable truths. Tbh, I was terrified and I'm still kinda waiting to get banned at any second! But your words are a good reminder that life is scary, relationships are complex, and stuff is beyond challenging and hard for everyone....

It's OK. I accept your apology but please don't at all feel bad about it. I don't want you or anyone to feel bad, I just didn't want to be dismissed. Don't worry about getting banned, you'll be fine and make friends and family here, I'm sure.

And at the end of the day, kindness, sensitivity and self-respect rule anything worth existing for.

Exactly, and to use DNA's analogy again, I'd like to see all the dogs and rats refuse to fight, figure out how to get out of the sack together and deal with the farmers.

[Flash]

You know what Intuitive Fish, you are showing here blatant discrimination not based on color of skin but based on size. This is in fact exactly the same, litterally racism.

I had an argument with Target on this. He was claiming that it is easy: eat less = lose weight, eat too much = gain weight. Very basic, transmitted to at least 2 generations right now. But false, as false as "black are lazy" or "white are always racists".

I was looking at a movie of a crowd of people assisting to a conference in the fifties and nobody was overweight, to my surprise. 20 years later, overweight people started to show up and now, 1/3 of children are overweight. There is certainly something else going on than "eat more = gain weight".

In fact, it is proven that children who had lots of antibiotics in childhood will have killed their guts bacteria and are often getting overweight later on. Also that pesticide kills good guts bacteria that are helping to control weight. And that hormonal disbalance creates more production of stomach hormones claiming hunger. And... that USA children are fed with growth hormone filled meat, milk and milk products (you get fat as an artificially fatten cow) and that ADHD could be blamed in parts on food colorant for which children will take stimulants (ritalin) and if not, self administer cafeine filled drinks.

And the list goes on and on and on.

And yes, these obese often by no fault of theirs are all ostracised, pushed away, laughed at, name it. Extremely harmful for self esteem.

And the comments you wrote here are a good example of it.

Division, division and again division, this time against the canary in the mine, namely the obese.

There is all kinds of racism.

Posted by Atlas (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
Don’t say, “I don’t see color.” It’s important to acknowledge they’re a unique race, and so are their experiences.

Thank you Intuitive Fish, I agree with your post. Yet, I'm still unable to see any difference in color, human beings are only one race, different genetic makeups are sub-races of the same species.

I met a South African lady one day who told me: "I don't need to go to Africa to see monkeys, there are plenty of them at the local zoo already"...

...and she looked something like this:


I didn't say anything but my first thought was: "I don't need to go anywhere to see a pig, here's one sitting just in front of me"

What I'm trying to say is that there are no races, religions or nationalities, there's only the human species, belonging to the family of great apes.

[AutumnW]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Let's be realistic about racism here. I read an article written by someone who worked in human resources for a large corporation. She said that all resumes sent in by people with names like, Latoya, shalalya, and other black sounding first names, as well as those with presidential last or first names, like Franklin, Roosevelt, etc.. were immediately trashed. THAT is institutional racism and THAT is almost impossible to prove.

That is highly illegal and I doubt it happens currently.

IN FACT, most HR departments of large corporations (I've worked for a few) use a mostly automated selection process & let department heads or hiring boards do the final selection. I don not believe this lady, nor what she told you.



Culture is the key.. not race. This is a very well done discussion on the topic.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TY1_UWMy83c

Hi Target,

I have to respectfully disagree here. I think it happens a lot. Any time illegal discrimination is impossible to prove, the stage is set for it. Where I live in Canada, one of the most crazily politically correct places on Earth (except when it comes to Aboriginal people. They are invisible) illegal discrimination against people with children is routinely practised by landlords.

And the standard response to a tenant with kids who has applied fruitlessly for months trying to find a place to live is, "landlords can't discriminate! It's illegal! You should sue!!" There is clearly discrimination taking place here, but try to prove it, particularly in a tight rental market. Same for good corporate jobs in U.S (now, even crappy corporate jobs, I figure) in spite of the phony stats, unemployment is a big problem, so employees can pick and choose based on their preferences and prejudices.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

“Why doesn’t anybody talk about the racism against white people?” This is called "reverse racism." Reverse racism doesn’t and can’t exist because racism is one group exerting social, political and economic power over another group. The powerless group can’t exert power over the dominant group because the dominant group collectively possesses the majority of power. Look at the majority of people in power. They aren't Black, Hispanic, Syrian, Yemeni, Indigenous, etc. They're predominantly white or light skinned.... The darker the skin, the greater the oppression, generally speaking.

You're seeing what you want to and not what I wrote, they were the dominant group.

The dominant group in your personal experience doesn't necessarily represent the institutional power over the planet.

You could be a white rabbit living in a neighborhood of black rabbits while white rabbits assume political power over the whole kingdom.

So what is your point then? Are you saying people like me can't say there's any racism against white people because white people are oppressing dark skinned people on a global scale, or are you agreeing that the condescending point you made about my comment was completely invalid, because despite the larger scale there is most definately racism against white people?

Hey, whoa here. I would say "racism" is a word better suited to the dominant culture when it has power over a group or groups, either currently or in the past.

This is particularly true if the dominant culture has regarded the lower social, economic status group (even if it is historical) as no more deserving of respect than monkeys.

Indeed, the aboriginals and blacks in the U.S. were referred to frequently as monkeys. When a black man was suspected, often on false or weak pretences, of having an affair or raping a white woman, it totally grossed out American southerners, because they also considered it a form of bestiality imposed on their lily white women by another species.

Innocent Warrior, you were the innocent victim of generations of hostility, resentment and deep hatred, based on race. But as your race wasn't beaten down and considered inferior, I wouldn't call it racism, I would call it tragic blow back and you didn't deserve it.

When I made my original statement about minorities having to look inward and understand that there slave masters are long gone and MANY others, regardless of race, do NOT have a low opinion of them. Many white people have as much understanding as they can without being black themselves. This goes for aboriginal Australians, too, I am hoping.

[AutumnW]

Innocent Warrior,

I want to encapsulate my long winded post. I think that "racism" exists where there is an assumption of inferiority. Hatred and hostility exists towards the dominant culture by those who feel their race or group is designated as,'lesser than.'

Let me give you an example. Even though it might not be politically correct, I DO NOT like the mainland Chinese, who have spirited vast sums of money out of their country (often illegally) and laundered it through Canadian real estate.

I do not think they are intellectually, racially inferior. Canadians regard them as equal, in every way, in that regard, as we do other people from elsewhere. What I have for them is resentment.

What many of them have for Canadians is utter contempt and a feeling of superiority. They don't like being here, it was just the easiest place to launder their money, in the developed world, on the planet.

They are often racist AND class-ist. They reserve their purest contempt for the assimilated Hong Kong Chinese who immigrated decades ago.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by Atlas (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
Don’t say, “I don’t see color.” It’s important to acknowledge they’re a unique race, and so are their experiences.

Thank you Intuitive Fish, I agree with your post. Yet, I'm still unable to see any difference in color, human beings are only one race, different genetic makeup are sub-races of the same species.

I met a South African lady one day who told me: "I don't need to go to Africa to see monkeys, there are plenty of them at the local zoo already"

...and she looked something like this:


I didn't say anything but my first thought was: "I don't need to go anywhere to see a pig, here's one sitting just in front of me"

What I'm trying to say is that there are no races, religions or nationalities, there's only the human species, belonging to the family of great apes.

Hopefully I'm posting correctly. Someone please let me know if I'm not!

Atlas, yes, I understand your well-meaning intention and I think that's a legitimate perspective. But I'm not sure why you'd want to erase the diversity of races, religions and nationalities? Would you also eliminate the different kinds of plant life and fish in the sea?

To me, rich diverse cultures, languages, customs, religions and races... make up the beauty of existence on this planet and in this universe. We can equally respect each one while acknowledging their differences.

In fact, I have a motto that says unity means nothing if it doesn't include diversity. Otherwise, it's just communism. <--- If I could find the laughing smiley with the tears, I'd put it here.

I'll ignore your fat-shaming comment since that's a whole different topic. : )

Please DO start a thread about fat. That would be interesting. People often don't understand it, but I totally appreciate the point Atlas is making. Sometimes fat IS just gluttony, which is a self indulgent lack of self discipline. It is ironic that someone fat for these reasons, and who might easily be able to change, EVER refer to whole racial groups, who can do nothing about their colour and little about their other life circumstances

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Flash (here)
You know what Intuitive Fish, you are showing here blatant discrimination not based on color of skin but based on size. This is in fact exactly the same, litterally racism.

I had an argument with Target on this. He was claiming that it is easy: eat less = lose weight, eat too much = gain weight. Very basic, transmitted to at least 2 generations right now. But false, as false as "black are lazy" or "white are always racists".

Hi Flash,

I may have misread your post to Elizabeth, i.e., Intuitive Fish. I’m stepping in with a technical clarification (as I understand it).

Atlas' post #69 was the one with the graphics of the lady and the monkey riding the pig.

This was the partial response from Elizabeth:

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'll ignore your fat-shaming comment since that's a whole different topic. : )

While I'm here, welcome to Avalon, Elizabeth.

*****

UPDATE: FYI - AutumnW has created a thread called, The Fat Thread

[TargeT]

Milwaukee apparently had the same situation as Charlotte.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7D7dljmZ9KY

[ozmirage]

Most Americans are kept ignorant of American law - and that's a tragedy.
An example is the accusation of murder for policemen who shoot suspects.
It is difficult, if not impossible to prove premeditation in such shootings. As to the charge of manslaughter, it has to be unlawful. If the officer is attempting to arrest, and the suspect resists, that is a felony, and the officer can escalate accordingly.
- - - -

● MURDER : (Law) the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
● MANSLAUGHTER : (Law) The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury.
● HOMICIDE : (Law) the killing of a human being by another person.
● RESISTING ARREST : (Law) physical efforts to oppose a lawful arrest; the resistance is classified as assault and battery upon the person of the police officer attempting to make the arrest.
● SELF DEFENSE : (Law) The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary.
● AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE : An affirmative defense to a civil lawsuit or criminal charge is a fact or set of facts other than those alleged by the plaintiff or prosecutor which, if proven by the defendant, defeats or mitigates the legal consequences of the defendant's otherwise unlawful conduct. In criminal prosecutions, examples of affirmative defenses are self defense, insanity, and the statute of limitations.
. . .
FUGITIVE - Running away or fleeing, as from the law.
Fugitives are EXCEPTED from the protections of law.
. . .
It's not the initial crime that is the problem, it's the subsequent behavior.
Once he is resisting arrest, he is engaged in a FELONY. He is engaged in assault and battery of the police officer(s). Their response can escalate accordingly, which is an affirmative defense against any charge of murder, manslaughter or homicide.

[Flash]

I had not even seen the comment of Intuitive Fish. Thanks for bringing it up Running Deer.

Yes, I think I should have written "you are showing here The blatant discrimination people have or do against obese people, all based on size.

I meant that in our societies, obese people are being discriminated against and most people doing it do not even realise they are doing it - it is just automatic thinking, just as racist will have automatic thinking on race. when in fact race is independent of the people will to change as well as obesity often is.

And I did not mean Intuitive Fish himself showing discrimination, but people in general.

I am revising sometimes two or three times what I write in order to be understandable. I still miss on some revisions it seems. In the last year I have lived 100% in French, being French speaking, and my English writing has taken a hike. Sorry.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
You know what Intuitive Fish, you are showing here blatant discrimination not based on color of skin but based on size. This is in fact exactly the same, litterally racism.

I had an argument with Target on this. He was claiming that it is easy: eat less = lose weight, eat too much = gain weight. Very basic, transmitted to at least 2 generations right now. But false, as false as "black are lazy" or "white are always racists".

Hi Flash,

I may have misread your post to Elizabeth, i.e., Intuitive Fish. I’m stepping in with a technical clarification (as I understand it).

Atlas' post #69 was the one with the graphics of the lady and the monkey riding the pig.

This was the partial response from Elizabeth:

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'll ignore your fat-shaming comment since that's a whole different topic. : )

While I'm here, welcome to Avalon, Elizabeth.

*****

UPDATE: FYI - AutumnW has created a thread called, The Fat Thread