Charlotte Riots... NOT protests....WTF is going on with the brewing "Race war"?

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Hey, whoa here. I would say "racism" is a word better suited to the dominant culture when it has power over a group or groups, either currently or in the past.

This is particularly true if the dominant culture has regarded the lower social, economic status group (even if it is historical) as no more deserving of respect than monkeys.

Indeed, the aboriginals and blacks in the U.S. were referred to frequently as monkeys. When a black man was suspected, often on false or weak pretences, of having an affair or raping a white woman, it totally grossed out American southerners, because they also considered it a form of bestiality imposed on their lily white women by another species.

Innocent Warrior, you were the innocent victim of generations of hostility, resentment and deep hatred, based on race. But as your race wasn't beaten down and considered inferior, I wouldn't call it racism, I would call it tragic blow back and you didn't deserve it.

When I made my original statement about minorities having to look inward and understand that there slave masters are long gone and MANY others, regardless of race, do NOT have a low opinion of them. Many white people have as much understanding as they can without being black themselves. This goes for aboriginal Australians, too, I am hoping.

From the Oxford Dictionary Of Sociology (2009) -

"race: The placing of the term ‘race’ in inverted commas is now seen by some sociologists as a useful way of indicating that this manner of categorizing individuals and population groups is not based on any biologically valid distinctions between the genetic make-up of differently identified ‘races’. Racial categorization is frequently (though not always) based on phenotypical differences, that is, differences of facial characteristics, skin colour, and so forth. But these do not correlate with genotypical differences (differences in genetic makeup). Nor, reputable scientific opinion now agrees, are there innate differences of personality, intelligence, and so forth, between populations categorised on either of these bases. The sociology of race is largely concerned with examining the causes and consequences of the socially constructed division of social groups according to their so-called race, regardless of whether this is legitimated by reference to any of the above factors, or none of them (as, for example, in the case of anti-semitism)."

It goes on for another one and a half pages on the arguments about what is wrong with that definition as a social construct but I’m not typing all that out. The above is the crux of what we’re taught (mostly, depends on the prof. sometimes). Not even the definition of race is black and white or one clear line of understanding, sociology often goes something like this; “it’s this, but then this sociologist’s study says this about that, but then earlier studies show this” etc. Trust me, you don’t want to get into lexical semantics, we could be here forever doing that. For example, here’s another excerpt from the definition of race -

"Early Marxist theories (notably, O. C. Cox, Class, Caste and Race, 1948) proposed a far simpler connection between race and class, seeing racism as a ruling-class ideology which developed under capitalism in order to divide—and hence help control—Black and White workers who shared a common and fundamental class indentity…”

I was going to type out the definition of racism, from both the sociology dictionary and psychology dictionary because, if you want to get into lexical semantics, what we’ve been discussing here is actually two terms; 'racism' and ‘racialism’. In summary, racialism is the unequal treatment of a population group based on social definitions of ‘race’, while racism is a belief system that sustains racialism. Denial of racialism breeds more racialism and, IMO, is racism. Enough said.

[Intuitive Fish]

And at the end of the day, kindness, sensitivity and self-respect rule anything worth existing for.

Exactly, and to use DNA's analogy again, I'd like to see all the dogs and rats refuse to fight, figure out how to get out of the sack together and deal with the farmers.

Innocent Warrior, thanks so much for your reply. I'll send you a pm. Excellent point about the farmers.

Flash, yeah I'm with you on all of that. Fat-shaming, ableism, racism, sexism, queer-phobia, classism.... These are my topics. Interestingly, they all intersect and are not isolated issues, which goes to show we all have a lot more in common than we're led to think. Because there's a good chance you're oppressed in some shape or form!

RunningDeer, thank you for making the correction on Flash's post and for the welcome to Avalon. That made me happy.

Back to Target's original post and the title of this thread... something to consider is that protests by nature, or at least effective ones, aren't intended to be comfortable for the socioeconomic system and the people who uphold it. In fact, protests are meant to be a disruption of the normal flow of things. They're supposed to be disturbing and attention-grabbing because this is the only way particular voices on a particular issue can be heard by the mainstream media-controlled public.

And I'm not just arguing semantics because labeling the Charlotte demonstrations as riots carries with it more of those aforementioned dangerous stereotypes which affirm the belief that Black people are violent thugs....

In reality, their protests have been predominantly peaceful by far, and plenty of white people are involved in them too. Anonymous does their part with Operation KKK, Asian activists for Blacks, BLM and social media protestors, independent journalists.... Everyone has a part to play. Yesterday I saw a video of Black activists trying to speak at the Charlotte protest. There was a ring of white people standing around them facing the crowd and protecting them from hecklers. It was beautiful. That could be us! <--haha, joke

Anyway, Black protestors have exhausted all other means of procuring change (decades ago) and if we're not listening to their pain and what they have to say, who can blame them for only getting louder? That's like blaming a sharp bodily pain signaling to let you know you've got a disease.

[Intuitive Fish]

A few more thoughts....

On using "victimization" as an excuse for racism. The idea that oppressed people shouldn't feel victimized is a cover for victim-blaming and justifying/ignoring the perpetrator. But victimhood is real. If you're killed in a drone strike, you're a victim. If you're extrajudicially executed by police, you're a victim. If you're a targeted individual, you're a victim/survivor. Victims are victims. The spiritual "Thou Shalt Not Be Victimized" mandate has never made sense to me. Maybe it's a psyops. It's probably sitting next to the Positivity Program.

About using the excuse of Black on Black crime to justify racism mentioned by several people in this thread (not to mention notorious U.S. presidential candidates), I think this quote by a Black activist explains the issue really well:

"White people need to embrace that a black officer shooting an unarmed black man isn't proof that there was no racial bias in the shooting. Some black people would gladly throw another black person under the bus if it meant they'd be viewed more favorably by the white man. That's part of living in a society that teaches you to hate yourself and your blackness. You have this constant need to prove that you are so unlike those other blacks. You're one of the good ones. Historically, people of color have oppressed each other in pursuit of some degree of superficial privilege. Hell, before then, even European immigrants attacked each other to gain favor with English 'settlers'." Kat Blaque

And... as Mike mentioned earlier in this thread, arguing numbers, race populations and stats is pointless. It's an illusion. It's not about numbers, it's about power. Just look at the 1% which has more power than the rest of the population combined. If there's any truth to that, it makes the amount of anything entirely irrelevant.

[Intuitive Fish]

One last thought.

Back to my theory about the "white race." There's the Nordic race, the Aryan race, Hebrew, Arab, Filipino, Asian, Native American, African.... What the hail is the white race? This is not computing for me. There doesn't seem to actually be a white race, except as a concept. A very powerful concept intended as a disguised vehicle to carry notions of separation, hierarchy, white power, white nationalism, white supremacy.... So powerful that every individual clamors to identify or associate with it in hopes of obtaining white privileges or at least survival.

But no one needs to identify as the "white race." You could be of pure German descent and still not identify as "a white person" and its inherent nature of division and superiority. You could simply be "German" or a mixed race if anyone felt the need for that identity....

White implies a hierarchy and therefore, we've got masters and we've got slaves. Any time you have slaves, you're going to get uprisings when they become miserable enough, because nobody likes being a slave. It's not the nature of our core self.

Basically people are hurting people, because as well we all know, people lash out when they're in pain, or when they're afraid of losing their privilege and means of survival. It's often a misplaced lashing out, so then we have a vicious cycle deceptively known as "race wars." But the point here is that "race wars" began with the arbitrary notion that the shade of a person's skin determines their value. Thanks to the "master race" or "white race" concept, we're all fighting with each other over... nothing. Which keeps the masses weak, divided and incapable of changing anything at the systemic level.

I used to think the white supremacist was the hyper macho guy flying a confederate flag from his massive truck with 5 rifles on his gun rack, an elk head on his front grate and a scrotum sack on his trailer hitch. But now I'm thinking white supremacy is just a segregating mental concept which permeates the minds of us all.... Maybe it's even an identity war, because identities strangely need to be preserved at all cost.

Either way, identifying people according to skin color seems completely absurd to me. Didn't Europeans and Asians descend from Africans anyway? Diversity is imperative and beautiful. But we're interconnected at the core. I suspect that's what Atlas was getting at.

[TargeT]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
A few more thoughts....

On using "victimization" as an excuse for racism.

No one did that, they said there is no racism, because there isn't.

Please , again for like the 5th time on this thread.. PLEASE SHOW ME RACISM

I've shown it to you, I"ve shown you "kill whites" chants in CURRENT riots, I've shown you multiple groups attacking any white person they can find.

I've shown you such clear evidence of racism that I can't even believe you feel comfortable typing the word out and coming back with these nothing arguments (no substance, blame shifting, straw man, it's a plethora of logical fallacy).

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
The idea that oppressed people shouldn't feel victimized is a cover for victim-blaming and justifying/ignoring the perpetrator.

Please show me these oppressed people.. and I want color photographs, no drawings or black and white photos from decades ago.

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
But victimhood is real. If you're killed in a drone strike, you're a victim.

So what's your thought on lumping blacks in america in with Yemen citizens that we drone to death.. I think your being DAMN disrespectful to those Yemen folk.

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
If you're extrajudicially executed by police, you're a victim. If you're a targeted individual, you're a victim/survivor. Victims are victims. The spiritual "Thou Shalt Not Be Victimized" mandate has never made sense to me. Maybe it's a psyops. It's probably sitting next to the Positivity Program.

Yes, and the few times that happens it's horrible, like this:

If these shootings are racially motivated, was this kid not white enough?

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
About using the excuse of Black on Black crime to justify racism mentioned by several people in this thread (not to mention notorious U.S. presidential candidates), I think this quote by a Black activist explains the issue really well:

"White people need to embrace that a black officer shooting an unarmed black man isn't proof that there was no racial bias in the shooting. Some black people would gladly throw another black person under the bus if it meant they'd be viewed more favorably by the white man. That's part of living in a society that teaches you to hate yourself and your blackness. You have this constant need to prove that you are so unlike those other blacks. You're one of the good ones. Historically, people of color have oppressed each other in pursuit of some degree of superficial privilege. Hell, before then, even European immigrants attacked each other to gain favor with English 'settlers'." Kat Blaque

Or cops are out of control and never get punished for it.. oh and they kill twice as many whites.. so there goes that theory,

You are looking for racism under evrey stone, you'll find it, confirmation bias alone will do that.. I'm telling you it's not there, not like you think it is.

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
And... as Mike mentioned earlier in this thread, arguing numbers, race populations and stats is pointless. It's an illusion. It's not about numbers, it's about power. Just look at the 1% which has more power than the rest of the population combined. If there's any truth to that, it makes the amount of anything entirely irrelevant.

and your feeding right into that agenda, lets punish whites and ignore cops shooting everyone all the time, lets ignore the fact that most major police forces have military grade APC's , C4, Robots and drones.... Lets look at eachother through warped lenses and start blaming though, that's the answer...


I think not.

[shaberon]

I'm curious about the "bussing" report.

Charlotte is practically in South Carolina to begin with, it is not all that far from Georgia, and bus is the cheapest way to go.

So a statistic of "70% out of state IDs" is not surprising. Plenty of people that live here have those anyway (the law gives you 30 days to update, but that is routinely ignored). Is it only this statistic that implies that bus loads of people were sent by an external sponsor? Or can people independently decide "I want to join this thing" and catch a ride?

[Intuitive Fish]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
A few more thoughts....

On using "victimization" as an excuse for racism.

No one did that, they said there is no racism, because there isn't.

Please , again for like the 5th time on this thread.. PLEASE SHOW ME RACISM

One of these days, I will have mastered posting member quotes. [ Mod-edit: I added the missing close [/QUOTE], above. -- Paul ] But for now, I am thoroughly confused. And I'm a web designer, haha.

Dear TargeT, I've only got so much time I can devote to Avalon each evening so I didn't want to waste it on a non-conversation. But I'm in a snarky mood so... Warning: patronizing snark ahead.

I'm not your tutor, pal. And it's not my job to prove or convince you of anything. That's your job. Thankfully for you, there's this learning place called the world wide web. You can start with a simple internet search and type in "systemic racism" or "structural racism" if you were actually interested. But if you can't see the everyday racism which is everywhere, and especially in the confines of your own mind of denial, even Glorious Google can't help you.

Are you saying that millions of protestors, activists, grassroots organizations, social media hashtags, news stories, the mass incarceration of Black people, the hundreds of Black mothers on the pavement crying because she just lost her son to an extrajudicial police killing are all for nothing? And that people are sacrificing their time and resources, enduring endless hostility (from lovely people like you, bless you all) and even risking their lives just because they like sitting around twiddling their thumbs? It doesn't get any more "logical fallacy" than that, bro.

Look up Darren Seals. (I know you're not actually going to do that. I said that for other viewers.) He was a Ferguson protestor who was recently found shot dead in a burning car. He was the 6th Black Ferguson activist/protestor to "mysteriously" die in a similar manner. But I'm sure all of those news stories aren't real. Maybe they exist in some distant, unknown galaxy in a 6 times removed parallel dimension, but I'm sure it couldn't be happening on YOUR shift and on YOUR planet. No, no, noooooo.... That would make you responsible. You'd have to challenge your own belief patterns and admit you were mistaken (gasp!). You'd have to give up privileges that don't do much for you anyway. You'd have to have unpleasant convos like this one calling out racism because it sure isn't going to trot away on its own into the beautiful sunset. You'd have to question the MSM narrative being force-fed into your cerebral cortex. You'd have to see horrible violence against people that makes you cry for days and question existence - if you have a heart and its accompanying emotions, that is. And this is just the Black story. Latinxs, Asians, Natives, Middle Eastern.... We could be here for a few lifetimes talking about all the engineered ways people are judged for their skin color. But you don't have to worry about that. Because in your mind, racism doesn't exist. You're off the hook! Therefore, don't let this topic concern you for one more minute. Oh wait, you started this topic? Hmmm... maybe you're a teeny tiny bit concerned after all. I mean, why go through so much trouble proving that something that doesn't exist... doesn't exist?

Now here's the tricky part. Most people think in binary terms when it comes to racism. They think "Racism=bad and non-racism=good. Therefore, I can't be racist, because I'm not a bad person." But that's not how racism works. Even though it sprouts from white supremacy, there isn't a specific race to blame because it's a socially engineered mind program. We're all discriminatory to some degree as long as we're even remotely connected to any institutional system at all. Being racist doesn't make us bad people. It makes us controlled people. We might even be... victims. It takes a conscious effort to dismantle our own thought processes and I'm not even sure I'd recommend it because of those aforementioned fun things. So don't go spreading false information saying that I'm blaming white people. You conjured that one up all on your own.

[Atlas]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
Darren Seals [...] a Ferguson protestor who was recently found shot dead in a burning car. He was the 6th Black Ferguson activist/protestor to "mysteriously" die in a similar manner.

The detectives told him to "choose your enemies wisely" (@0:47)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=67gJv6JqEaM

The detective said: "you might want to pick your enemies better" (@14:03)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=srdcOyFpd_I

My question is: why would the detectives suggest such a thing? did they try to warn him of a potential 'enemy' threat? if so, why didn't they try to protect him? was it because he was black?

[Flash]

Years ago, I was talking to a colleague at work about racism. He is black. He was describing to me how racism was lived on a daily basis, little snarky comments overheard for example, people sighing as if saying "well, I knew he was xyz", and this feeling that even when they do not talk or show anything, you can feel the subtle racism coming out of their pores.

I was listening and said in total surprise "wow, it truly looks and feel like I fell with mysoginistic men, they would not even talk but I can feel their stance, but could never name it since they said nothing, but I know"

He answered "yes, that is it" but the funnier part is that I could see in his non verbal language that we was not please at all to be compared, as a black person, to women situations.

Racism all along, white male on top, white fat male second, black male in third, black fat male fourth, white female fifth, white fat female sixt or equal to black slim female, and who knows, black fat females last??

Therefore yes, you are right racisim and mysogyny as well are socially engineered mind programs and yes, we are all discriminatory to some degree as long as we're even remotely connected to any institutional system at all.

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
A few more thoughts....

On using "victimization" as an excuse for racism.

No one did that, they said there is no racism, because there isn't.

Please , again for like the 5th time on this thread.. PLEASE SHOW ME RACISM

One of these days, I will have mastered posting member quotes. But for now, I am thoroughly confused. And I'm a web designer, haha.

Dear TargeT, I've only got so much time I can devote to Avalon each evening so I didn't want to waste it on a non-conversation. But I'm in a snarky mood so... Warning: patronizing snark ahead.

I'm not your tutor, pal. And it's not my job to prove or convince you of anything. That's your job. Thankfully for you, there's this learning place called the world wide web. You can start with a simple internet search and type in "systemic racism" or "structural racism" if you were actually interested. But if you can't see the everyday racism which is everywhere, and especially in the confines of your own mind of denial, even Glorious Google can't help you.

Are you saying that millions of protestors, activists, grassroots organizations, social media hashtags, news stories, the mass incarceration of Black people, the hundreds of Black mothers on the pavement crying because she just lost her son to an extrajudicial police killing are all for nothing? And that people are sacrificing their time and resources, enduring endless hostility (from lovely people like you, bless you all) and even risking their lives just because they like sitting around twiddling their thumbs? It doesn't get any more "logical fallacy" than that, bro.

Look up Darren Seals. (I know you're not actually going to do that. I said that for other viewers.) He was a Ferguson protestor who was recently found shot dead in a burning car. He was the 6th Black Ferguson activist/protestor to "mysteriously" die in a similar manner. But I'm sure all of those news stories aren't real. Maybe they exist in some distant, unknown galaxy in a 6 times removed parallel dimension, but I'm sure it couldn't be happening on YOUR shift and on YOUR planet. No, no, noooooo.... That would make you responsible. You'd have to challenge your own belief patterns and admit you were mistaken (gasp!). You'd have to give up privileges that don't do much for you anyway. You'd have to have unpleasant convos like this one calling out racism because it sure isn't going to trot away on its own into the beautiful sunset. You'd have to question the MSM narrative being force-fed into your cerebral cortex. You'd have to see horrible violence against people that makes you cry for days and question existence - if you have a heart and its accompanying emotions, that is. And this is just the Black story. Latinxs, Asians, Natives, Middle Eastern.... We could be here for a few lifetimes talking about all the engineered ways people are judged for their skin color. But you don't have to worry about that. Because in your mind, racism doesn't exist. You're off the hook! Therefore, don't let this topic concern you for one more minute. Oh wait, you started this topic? Hmmm... maybe you're a teeny tiny bit concerned after all. I mean, why go through so much trouble proving that something that doesn't exist... doesn't exist?

Now here's the tricky part. Most people think in binary terms when it comes to racism. They think "Racism=bad and non-racism=good. Therefore, I can't be racist, because I'm not a bad person." But that's not how racism works. Even though it sprouts from white supremacy, there isn't a specific race to blame because it's a socially engineered mind program. We're all discriminatory to some degree as long as we're even remotely connected to any institutional system at all. Being racist doesn't make us bad people. It makes us controlled people. We might even be... victims. It takes a conscious effort to dismantle our own thought processes and I'm not even sure I'd recommend it because of those aforementioned fun things. So don't go spreading false information saying that I'm blaming white people. You conjured that one up all on your own.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
One of these days, I will have mastered posting member quotes. But for now, I am thoroughly confused. And I'm a web designer, haha.

From "How to reply with quote" - post #2.

step 1: (click @ bottom right of post you respond to)

*****

step 2:

[Hervé]

a repost from there:

Posted by Hervé (here)
...

There may be a way to restore some sanity between those culturally ingrained behaviours and that's recalling past lives... like the Druze and others do.

I vaguely recall reading a book way back in the last century by a Palestinian woman who was recalling her latest past life as a Jewish woman... and comparing the suffering from both side of the fence... then, she compared another underlying cultural programming that deeply affects both camps : their treatment of women: an exact match of behaviour vis-à-vis the female of the species from the male portion of either camp. Like in many other cultures, women are considered belonging to a species well below batrachians in the "evolution" ladder... which is a world wide programming in existence even underneath the "veneer" of some so-called "modern" societies. Thanks to the programming/training of, so-called, "gods."

So, "genetics," "bloodlines," ethnicity and races? What's that got to do with the price of fish?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
One of these days, I will have mastered posting member quotes. But for now, I am thoroughly confused. And I'm a web designer, haha.

From "How to reply with quote" - post #2.

The trick is how to trim the quoting down, as both you (Running Deer) and Intuitive Fish did (Good!), and still keep matching pairs of properly nested opening [QUOTE] and closing [/QUOTE] markers.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
One of these days, I will have mastered posting member quotes. But for now, I am thoroughly confused. And I'm a web designer, haha.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
From "How to reply with quote" - post #2.

Posted by Paul (here)
The trick is how to trim the quoting down, as both you (Running Deer) and Intuitive Fish did (Good!), and still keep matching pairs of properly nested opening [QUOTE] and closing [/QUOTE] markers.

Thanks, Paul. The beginning and end tag is critical. Some members break up the quoted material. See above for example.

[TargeT]

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'm not your tutor, pal. .

I'll tell you what.


You keep on thinking what you think (with apparently no evidence) and let the adults have a discussion here eh?

I'm certainly not covering this topic for my own edification,, mostly it's to illustrate how people who have the beliefs like you do have been manipulated into it and how this whole racing this is a distraction (it's not the issue it's played out to be).

Straw man me all you want (I assume you don't know what a straw man is: change my argument to one more easily defeat-able.. like "there is no racism" .... it's really a pathetic manipulative logical fallacy.. very irksome), pat your self on the back and confer with your echo chamber all you want, until you come up with actual proof (for you and others) of a thing, what are you actually believing in, the personality of the person who convinced you??

Are you telling me you see rampant racism in the Pacific North West?

[DNA]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'm not your tutor, pal. .

I'll tell you what.


You keep on thinking what you think (with apparently no evidence) and let the adults have a discussion here eh?

Try not and make this personal Targe, insinuating Introspective Fish is a child is indeed a personal attack.
She has made far more sense than yourself in so far as your posting is concerned.
I would post more on the subject but I consider you a lost cause in so far as how entrenched you are in your reasoning.


Regardless please don't attack folks, especially a new member who shows so much potential in terms of her future contributions here.

Posted by TargeT (here)
I'm certainly not covering this topic for my own edification,, mostly it's to illustrate how people who have the beliefs like you do have been manipulated into it and how this whole racing this is a distraction (it's not the issue it's played out to be).

By your own estimation, which I might add no one is agreeing with you about. You are solely on your own on this one, and I for one find you are incredibly out gunned in this argument. Where as you are making the most elementary comparisons by splashing us with youtube videos showing stupid people doing stupid things she is pounding you with point after point.

You are drawing stick figures in this argument you are waging and Intuitive Fish is combating you with publication worthy writing.

[Matthew]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'm not your tutor, pal. .

I'll tell you what.


You keep on thinking what you think (with apparently no evidence) and let the adults have a discussion here eh?

Try not and make this personal Targe, insinuating Introspective Fish is a child is indeed a personal attack.
She has made far more sense than yourself in so far as your posting is concerned.

loool stop right there.. now its my go There's no need for that last bit. Same as I would say to both of you the content is excellent except the barbs.

Posted by DNA (here)
I would post more on the subject but ....

The barbs don't do your excellent points and posts credit, both of yous. Barb spirals are boring. Other content excellent

[Mike]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Intuitive Fish (here)
I'm not your tutor, pal. .

I'll tell you what.


You keep on thinking what you think (with apparently no evidence) and let the adults have a discussion here eh?

I'm certainly not covering this topic for my own edification,, mostly it's to illustrate how people who have the beliefs like you do have been manipulated into it and how this whole racing this is a distraction (it's not the issue it's played out to be).

Straw man me all you want (I assume you don't know what a straw man is: change my argument to one more easily defeat-able.. like "there is no racism" .... it's really a pathetic manipulative logical fallacy.. very irksome), pat your self on the back and confer with your echo chamber all you want, until you come up with actual proof (for you and others) of a thing, what are you actually believing in, the personality of the person who convinced you??

Are you telling me you see rampant racism in the Pacific North West?

You play nice now, Target.

Trying to be clever doesn't suit you. Stick with your pie charts and we'll all just do our best to pretend you arent here, ok?

Your dedication to being wrong is almost admirable. Theres something in your stubbornness that I almost admire, honestly. But it still doesnt stop me from hoping that your responsibilities with the Hitler Youth with eventually cause you to give up your distorted anti-sanity crusade here on Avalon. Unlikely, but a guy can hope, can't he?

Till then, keep digging yourself that hole. They say if you dig far enough and long enough you'll eventually wind up in China. Not a bad idea actually. I don't think they can access avalon there.

[TargeT]

Posted by DNA (here)
Regardless please don't attack folks,

I'm pretty sure you've never seen me attack some one

I've repeatedly asked for some sort of "point" (which you so adamantly express I've been smashed and destroyed with, yet I see no "points" no evidence, no facts so far). Generally when requests are ignored, side stepped or when you are berated for asking them... well I have children, I see the same pattern

Posted by DNA (here)
By your own estimation, which I might add no one is agreeing with you about. You are solely on your own on this one, and I for one find you are incredibly out gunned in this argument.

I highly doubt I am on my own

Out gunned yes, I'm quite used to that.. I'm challenging a meme that has been hard set into society for quite a few decades.... but the opposition has no ammunition.. so it's a bunch of empty tubes really isn't it?

I did it with global warming, that was a contentious journey

I did it with radiation, that was an uphill effort

I did it again with Fukushema....

Why would I back away from this one?

Posted by DNA (here)
Where as you are making the most elementary comparisons by splashing us with youtube videos showing stupid people doing stupid things she is pounding you with point after point.

well you're not watching the videos so you can't really comment can you

I posted a couple videos of people being stupid, then some really smart people analyzing culture and a few videos noting how disingenuous the BLM movement is.

Posted by DNA (here)
You are drawing stick figures in this argument you are waging and Intuitive Fish is combating you with publication worthy writing.

Eloquent writing is meaningless when it's based on nothing.

Show me the structure!!

Posted by Mike (here)
Trying to be clever doesn't suit you. Stick with your pie charts and we'll all just do our best to pretend you arent here, ok?

Your dedication to being wrong is almost admirable. Theres something in your stubbornness that I almost admire, honestly. But it still doesnt stop me from hoping that your responsibilities with the Hitler Youth with eventually cause you to give up your distorted anti-sanity crusade here on Avalon. Unlikely, but a guy can hope, can't he?

Pretty sure this isn't the first time I've been called a racist, or aligned with Hitler in this thread.... But I'm not female nor new, I'm a white male.. so F-me right?

anyone want to "white knight" for me?



no?

Yeah, I'm used to that.

Posted by Mike (here)
Till then, keep digging yourself that hole. They say if you dig far enough and long enough you'll eventually wind up in China. Not a bad idea actually. I don't think they can access avalon there.

Growth is never achieved with out struggle.. so struggle I shall!

[RunningDeer]

Posted by DNA (here)
Regardless please don't attack folks, especially a new member who shows so much potential in terms of her future contributions here.

Thanks, DNA.
I second that.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
Regardless please don't attack folks, especially a new member who shows so much potential in terms of her future contributions here.

Thanks, DNA.
I second that.

[Mod note from Bill]

And I third it.

This has evolved to be a very valuable and interesting discussion on a difficult, sensitive and often complex topic.

Please always show every new member -- and everyone else watching who may be thinking of joining the community! -- that we're smart, articulate, well-informed, and pleasant people to hang out with, no matter what our personal views may be on a tricky topic.