A documentary more powerful than Loose Change ... blows the lid off the Inside Job!

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Posted by Fred259 (here)
Many thanks, yes I read the post in full and I have to say I agree with all he says.

So it would seem we have been here before and for some reason you didn’t like what he told you or perhaps the manner in which it was conveyed. They are like that EYO, don’t take it personally, when you have flown CIA mission over Vietnam you do have a different outlook on life.

It was the manner with which John posted. With all due respect, fighting in a war is not an excuse to talk down to someone who asks a few questions of an expert they respect. Leaving the forum in strop was an extream reation. None of us expected that. By the way, about 3 or 4 posts by John and some other members were removed by the mods in that thread while it was happening. But lets not rake up old graves....

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Posted by modwiz (here)
To remove any spooky connotations: I thought I was replying to EWO who was replying to Fred259. After posting it came out looking like I was replying to Fred. I did not know how to remedy it,so not knowing how to remove a post I edited my reply to the one you found Pythonic moomeister. Since EWO has had a rough day

Thank you.

[Fred259]

([

QUOTE]Every 911 truth researcher needs to read Jeff Prager's theories. You're going to appreciate the insights - especially into the monetary reasons.)

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I enjoyed the docs Dennis especially Book 2 9/11 and the Sub Prime Crisis



This is the best bit


( Several CIA and Governemnt Operatives were speaking in a park and this was overheard)

“With our expertise at placing dictators in power why don’t we treat the United States like the world’s biggest banana republic and take it over"

You can’t argue against it, they have been remarkably successful. What a shower of cockroaches the lot of them. They should be tarred and feathered.

Goldman Sachs are cleaning up.

Rockefeller, water fracking getting every last drop out!

Get Obama out of the White House and into Jail.

It’s important because this sends a message to other world leaders.

“Power back to the people”

In Britain we are riddled with Marxists, it’s an Infestation.

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, models himself on former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair (Fabian/ Marxist) and Gordon Brown, (Fabian / Marxist) along with Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky!

Plan B

Abandon the south and the illegal aliens.

Move west from the Black Hill’s of North Dakota. Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, California.

Get down to Wal-Mart, F.W.A. (Food, Water, Ammo)

It’s the world over, posting with Teakai in New South Wales, Australia she was reporting they are building a $300 million prison camp on Christmas Island. (For illegal’s you understand)
They say “an Island” and you think it’s just by the coast, its 2000 miles from Sydney, now I know Aussies like space but is that not excessive!

UK, we are closing military air-bases and turning them into “Immigration Detention Centre”. (For illegal’s you understand)

What the public don’t understand is that when the country is down the pan, the illegal’s don’t want to come anymore. So detention centre’s become prison camps.

Now we know why we have mass immigration and illegal aliens.

It’s all part of the plan.

Marxism. Rothschild and the New World Order.

Yuri Bezmenov – Ex KGB Psychlogical warfare officer- "How to destroy a nation".


https://youtube.com/watch?v=JN0By0xbst8

(This video should be mandatory in every school in the western world)

[ketikoti]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
This seems to be the way of 9/11 threads.
[...]

The events of 9/11 have imposed a severe case of cognitive dissonance, split personality, on our culture.

Like the events surrounding the Holocaust you mean?

[Fred259]

Posted by ketikoti (here)
Like the events surrounding the Holocaust you mean?

Well yes or maybe depending on your interpretation.

It’s maybe better we steer around the “H issue” particularly so given this is a 9/11 thread.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
...
“Power back to the people”

In Britain we are riddled with Marxists, it’s an Infestation.

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, models himself on former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair (Fabian/ Marxist) and Gordon Brown, (Fabian / Marxist) along with Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky!

...

Marxism. Rothschild and the New World Order.

Marxism isn't Marxism if it doesn't follow Marx. It's like people calling themselves "Christian" but not following anything that Christ was supposed to have done and said.

The Bolsheviks thought they were going to get communism, but instead, they got herded into a totalitarian state that was mislabled as "communism" or "socialism." I guess I just hate to see the purposely mislabeled concept getting bashed. At the core concept, Marxism and communism are about sharing everything and anti-elitism. As far as I know, no nation has ever actually even experimented with Marxism or communism, although several nations have (mis)used the labels.

I believe that calling any of the greed-driven, elitist people named above (Cameron, Blair, Brown, Alinsky) "Marxist" is literally the opposite of the truth - and would really piss off Karl Marx!

Sorry, this had nothing directly to do with 911 or the movie "National Security Alert", and I do agree that the above named individuals are Enemies of the People (and all part of a 911 cover-up), just not "Marxists."

Dennis

[Fred259]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Marxism isn't Marxism if it doesn't follow Marx. It's like people calling themselves "Christian" but not following anything that Christ was supposed to have done and said.

The Bolsheviks thought they were going to get communism, but instead, they got herded into a totalitarian state that was mislabled as "communism" or "socialism." I guess I just hate to see the purposely mislabeled concept getting bashed. At the core concept, Marxism and communism are about sharing everything and anti-elitism. As far as I know, no nation has ever actually even experimented with Marxism or communism, although several nations have (mis)used the labels.

I believe that calling any of the greed-driven, elitist people named above (Cameron, Blair, Brown, Alinsky) "Marxist" is literally the opposite of the truth - and would really piss off Karl Marx!

Sorry, this had nothing directly to do with 911 or the movie "National Security Alert", and I do agree that the above named individuals are Enemies of the People (and all part of a 911 cover-up), just not "Marxists."

Dennis

I’m sure you are right, we can discuss “the title” but the consequences are real.

[Zook]

Good afternoon, Dennis,

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Marxism isn't Marxism if it doesn't follow Marx. It's like people calling themselves "Christian" but not following anything that Christ was supposed to have done and said.
The Bolsheviks thought they were going to get communism, but instead, they got herded into a totalitarian state that was mislabled as "communism" or "socialism." I guess I just hate to see the purposely mislabeled concept getting bashed. At the core concept, Marxism and communism are about sharing everything and anti-elitism. As far as I know, no nation has ever actually even experimented with Marxism or communism, although several nations have (mis)used the labels.
I believe that calling any of the greed-driven, elitist people named above (Cameron, Blair, Brown, Alinsky) "Marxist" is literally the opposite of the truth - and would really piss off Karl Marx!
Sorry, this had nothing directly to do with 911 or the movie "National Security Alert", and I do agree that the above named individuals are Enemies of the People (and all part of a 911 cover-up), just not "Marxists."
Dennis

I hear you. One of my very closest friends is a Marxist ... and we always have a row over this. LOL! :

I will have to respectfully disagree with the argument that Marxism is only Marxism as Karl Marx saw it. Movements are usually started as an ideal and implemented away from this ideal. So you are correct, Marxism is not necessarily as Marx originally wrote about. That being said, Marxism is definitely connected to the bankster empire (via the well-connected Engells) ... and is genuinely not grassroots, e.g. of the people. One of the fundamental tenets of Marxism ... as Marx wrote and understood it ... is the centralization of credit. Fast forward to 2011, and we have the push for a One World Bank (amidst a litany of one-world constructs). That is the simple proof that Marx was a Rothschild banking stooge. For a more complex proof, we would need a new thread.

To wit, Marx was the strong pen of the bankster empire at the turn of the last European century; not the detached orator of the downtrodden masses (that the empire and its mainstream media octopus has strategically positioned him to be). Humble opinion.



ps: Please assume that my MOD hat is always off wherever I offer an opinion on political matters.

ps: BTW, my aforementioned Marxist best friend is the closest thing to a brother to me.

[Dennis Leahy]

You may have proof that Marx was indeed the pen for the Rothschild kingdom, and yes, that would be another thread.

"One world" and "centralization" and "globalist" all hold a dichotomy; any of those constructs can be seen as unifying in a very positive "brotherhood of mankind" way, or can be seen as mankind herded and branded and 'chipped' and controlled.

I have read Marx's writings, but honestly it has been a while, and my memory of details...well, let's say I did inhale. So, I cannot remember in what context the centralization of credit was offered as a solution, and whether it would be safe to say that Marx simply had not evolved the economic model far enough in his mind to dismiss the use of any form of money (as in a resource-based economy), or recognized that Russia would need currency and thus a bank to trade with other nations, or if your theory is correct. I am utterly opposed to centralized banking creating money (at interest, especially to private parties) based on debt (such as the Federal Reserve in the US.) However, if a nation is not yet evolved enough to produce and distribute goods and services without money (that is, if a nation still requires money), then I am not against a centralized bank (controlled by the People.)

I can't steer this back to 911 and the 911 movie we're talking about, in a smooth segue, but feel the need to cap-off the well of Marxist philosophical banter as being too tangential and unintentionally diluting the OP's topic.

Dennis

p.s. No need for the Mods to ever 'splain to me what hat they are wearing. I have thick skin, and, as an admin/mod on a couple of other forums, I think I'd easily know if someone was improperly using rank.

[Fred259]

Posted by Zook (here)
Good afternoon, Dennis,



I hear you. One of my very closest friends is a Marxist ... and we always have a row over this. LOL! :

I will have to respectfully disagree with the argument that Marxism is only Marxism as Karl Marx saw it. Movements are usually started as an ideal and implemented away from this ideal. So you are correct, Marxism is not necessarily as Marx originally wrote about. That being said, Marxism is definitely connected to the bankster empire (via the well-connected Engells) ... and is genuinely not grassroots, e.g. of the people. One of the fundamental tenets of Marxism ... as Marx wrote and understood it ... is the centralization of credit. Fast forward to 2011, and we have the push for a One World Bank (amidst a litany of one-world constructs).

That is the simple proof that Marx was a Rothschild banking stooge. For a more complex proof, we would need a new thread.

To wit, Marx was the strong pen of the bankster empire at the turn of the last European century; not the detached orator of the downtrodden masses (that the empire and its mainstream media octopus has strategically positioned him to be). Humble opinion.



ps: Please assume that my MOD hat is always off wherever I offer an opinion on political matters.

ps: BTW, my aforementioned Marxist best friend is the closest thing to a brother to me.

In an attempt to steer the thread back on topic, are you saying Zook that Karl Marx was a Zionist?

[Zook]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
In an attempt to steer the thread back on topic, are you saying Zook that Karl Marx was a Zionist?

LOL! Thanx Fred.

modHATTERoff

In the sense that I have defined Zionist previously in this thread, e.g. as a Rothschild bankster crime syndicate/movement, yes. But I would call Marx a proto-Zionist, because the official movement did not begin until later. Please feel free to start another thread. I will gladly donate what I can (to the new topic).

modHATTERon

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
It’s maybe better we steer around the “H issue” particularly so given this is a 9/11 thread.

No maybe's about it -- definitely better to steer around that one.

[aikisaw]

I should know better than to bring a 5 pound brain to a 10 pound brain discussion. Here it goes anyway.

We agree that there were extra aircraft in the area of the pentagon.

Zook has an issue with holograms based on noise.

Is it possible that the extra aircraft were used to cloak/hide the flyover?

It would not have to done for long. Most if not all would distracted by the explosion.

I am not sure which technology is most difficult to to use in real time. Given the nose out at WTC an indication of a hologram being used at that site. Is it possible they trying other tech at the pentagon.

[Teakai]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
No maybe's about it -- definitely better to steer around that one.

Probably good to open a new thread about it and have it out as well.

The whole idea was to have people tiptoe about it and speak in whispers - it makes questioning the moves and motives of the zionists so much more difficult.

[Fred259]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Probably good to open a new thread about it and have it out as well.

The whole idea was to have people tiptoe about it and speak in whispers - it makes questioning the moves and motives of the zionists so much more difficult.

We’ve been creeping around on eggshells here, and then BOOOOOM an ICBM from the southern hemisphere,,,,bang on target, not even a chance to ponder it....


Smashing idea Teaki, keep it separate, let us know when you have it up…Ahhhh look you’ve kind of spoilt it already by giving the answer before the post is even up! Never mind we will do our best.

[Fred259]

Given the nose out at WTC an indication of a hologram being used at that site.

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That’s a very interesting comment ailisaw, would you care to expand?

[Fred259]

Aikisaw, I see you are in Pennsylvania, and we are in England. We were wondering given that you are local, you must know where Shanksville is and aikisaw any chance of you nipping up with your camera so we can get a proper look at this site and the hole!.

Send us your PayPal details and we will wire you some cash!

Please take care on site, we are told it’s a small hole, we don’t want you stumbling into the hole it’s still a crime scene…

[Zook]

Posted by aikisaw (here)
I should know better than to bring a 5 pound brain to a 10 pound brain discussion. Here it goes anyway.
We agree that there were extra aircraft in the area of the pentagon.
Zook has an issue with holograms based on noise.
Is it possible that the extra aircraft were used to cloak/hide the flyover?
It would not have to done for long. Most if not all would distracted by the explosion.
I am not sure which technology is most difficult to to use in real time. Given the nose out at WTC an indication of a hologram being used at that site. Is it possible they trying other tech at the pentagon.

Hi Aikisaw,

I guess I have two trouble points with holograms. Yes, the noise-making hologram and how that could be achieved is problematic. But for me, the bigger issue is Roosevelt Roberts' witness testimony of seeing a jetliner leave the Pentagon airspace a few seconds after the huge explosion and fireball. It doesn't make any sense that a holograph plan would include a flyover, especially if the idea and propaganda value resides in perpetuating the story of a jetliner crash. Why not just crash the holograph into the Pentagon and be done with it? After all, holographs can be programmed to do anything one wants them to do. To wit, why have a holograph hang around at all after the planned explosion? Indeed, a lingering flyover holograph only stands to jeopardize the very notion of Arabs crashing a plane into the Pentagon. Yet a jetliner was, indeed, witnessed by an individual after the explosion, and this could only mean that a flyover had occurred with a physical jetliner, not a holographic one. Indeed, if holographic technology had been used, the most logical use of it would have been as a Southside attacking holograph (to overlay and mask whatever missile or projectile made the Pentagon hole); and to give credence to the downed light poles. In short, the Northside holograph taxes the evidence and turns Occam's razor into Occam's butter knife.

A final point is that this physical jetliner was on the Northside of Citgo, and therefore its dynamic attack profile has no continuity with the static damage profile of the object that made the Pentagon hole. The Southside attack profile is at the wrong incidence angle and way too low.

So, in summation, the evidence points only to a physical jetliner flyover. Humble opinions all around.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Teakai (here)
The whole idea was to have people tiptoe about it and speak in whispers - it makes questioning the moves and motives of the zionists so much more difficult.

Indeed .

[Teakai]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
We’ve been creeping around on eggshells here, and then BOOOOOM an ICBM from the southern hemisphere,,,,bang on target, not even a chance to ponder it....


Smashing idea Teaki, keep it separate, let us know when you have it up…Ahhhh look you’ve kind of spoilt it already by giving the answer before the post is even up! Never mind we will do our best.

Maybe it's cultural, Fred, the difference between an English afternoon tea party and an Australia prawn on the barbie.
My own character feels there is little time for delicacy - attention spans are short. Leave no spaces in which confusion has room to grow.


I have put a thread up - and pretty much spilled it all there as well
What else is there to say - except that there may be interesting and unexplored details to be aired.