the Case that is ISIS

[Bob]

There have been numerous posts alluding, saying, proclaiming, discussing "isis is not real".

The wheel has turned one more click..

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.
--Grateful Dead

President elect Trump though feels it is not only real but is a threat growing across the world..

The founder of Blackwater a former security firm that received immense contracts for security in Iraq (and cited for scandals about killing who some consider "innocent" Iraqi civilians..) weights in as follows - what it will take, a 3 point plan to "take 'em out"..

“One, you have to take away any claim they have to a Caliphate. That means destroying any conventional force they have in Iraq or Syria,” said Prince, adding that he did not think it would require American troops on the ground, but local forces with American support, instead.

Item two is a “Phoenix Program,” similar to the one employed in Vietnam that would capture or kill “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.”

“Third,” said Prince, “you have to destroy them on the Internet.” Explaining, he asserted, “That means with a very capable IT program to dig in and find where these jihadist sites are being hosted, where they’re being issued from, and you go and find and finish them at the Internet server level and destroy their ability to communicate, even on the Web.”

(source http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/...islamic-state/ )

Even the left-stream media is now acknowledging that Donald Trump “has a point” when he blasts Hilary and Obama for creating ISIS.
“Hillary Clinton is vulnerable. ISIS did gain strength during her time as Secretary of State,” said ABC News correspondent Martha Raddatz.

Conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt tried to give Mr. Trump an out. “I know what you meant,” he suggested. “You meant that he [Obama] created the vacuum, he lost the peace.”

“No,” Trump replied. “I meant, he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.”

source: http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ders-isis-bet/

The issue of the vacuum created when one snake in a field of snakes is removed, all the others take the opportunity to jump in and be the 'new' terrorist group to have its moment in the spotlight as the new so called rebellious group..

"Thanks to Judicial Watch, we now have an August 2012 defense intelligence report on the civil war in Syria and the situation in Iraq that openly states that the policy of the United States and its allies was to support the Salafist opposition to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad.

"That opposition, at the time spearheaded by Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), soon morphed into the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, ISIS.

"The report appears to have originated from U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) in Iraq, well before their intelligence product was tarnished by political interference from top commanders in 2014 aimed at diminishing the threat from ISIS."

It is no secret that the United States was supporting the Syrian opposition in 2012 and even until very recently. In December 2012, thanks in large measure to the active lobbying of Mrs. Clinton and U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, Obama declared that the United States considered the opposition as “the legitimate representative of the Syrian people.”

What was secret until the release of this August 2012 defense intelligence report is that the United States knew that the Syrian opposition was dominated by al Qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic State of Iraq, groups that merged and morphed into what today we call ISIS.

"Some of America’s enemies, such as Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran, have also accused the United States of creating ISIS – but as a tool for encroaching on Iran’s efforts to dominate the Muslim world. In fact, Obama and Hillary’s policies have simultaneously favored Iran and its rise to regional dominance, standing aside as Iran filled the vacuum in Iraq with its own militias and allowing Iranian troops and weapons to flow onto battlefields in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya and beyond."

Deflecting attention from these arms shipments is precisely why Obama and Hillary hatched their “blame-it-on-a-YouTube-video” narrative as the cause of the Benghazi attacks.

It was a deliberate deception to trick the American people and cover-up their misdeeds.

Trump has revived his tough talk on obliterating the terrorist group — vowing to “utterly destroy ISIS.”

For more than a year, Trump has declined to lay out a coherent strategy for doing so. Whenever pressed for specifics, Trump insists that he has a plan but says it must remain secret to avoid tipping off the enemy.

[Bob]

Erik Prince's item 2 - find the funders behind ISIS and remove them with prejudice - -

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/put...-40-countries/

Putin Reveals ISIS Funded by 40 Countries, Including G20 Members

Antalya, Turkey – Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced that he has shared intelligence with the other G20 member states, which reveals the 40 countries from which ISIS finances the majority of their terrorist activities. The list reportedly included a number of G20 countries.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=96k_8ywt22g

During the press conference, Putin went on to stress that an international coalition is needed to more effectively counter the terrorist group, noting Russia’s readiness to support the fight against ISIS. The Russian intelligence analysis of the 40 nations funding the ISIS terror machine were relayed to diplomats attending the G20 summit – but were not released to the media, nor the general public.

[Bob]

Prince's item 3 - determine the networks, websites, sources of "chatter" behind ISIS and remove them with prejudice - -

How Pentagon plans to destroy ISIS's internet connection

Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) is working to destroy the Islamic State group's Internet connections and leave the jihadists in a state of "virtual isolation."

The objectives there are to interrupt ISIL command and control, interrupt its ability to move money around, interrupt its ability to tyrannize and control population, interrupt its ability to recruit externally.

CYBERCOM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Cyber_Command -

[ghostrider]

No matter where they came from, who funds them , they must be stopped ... cutting off the heads of those who have a different view of the divine, cannot be allowed to fester ... they could takeover the UK , and just keep going and going , the world must unite against them ...

[Cara]

Posted by Bob (here)
The founder of Blackwater a former security firm that received immense contracts for security in Iraq (and cited for scandals about killing who some consider "innocent" Iraqi civilians..) weights in as follows - what it will take, a 3 point plan to "take 'em out"..

“One, you have to take away any claim they have to a Caliphate. That means destroying any conventional force they have in Iraq or Syria,” said Prince, adding that he did not think it would require American troops on the ground, but local forces with American support, instead.

Item two is a “Phoenix Program,” similar to the one employed in Vietnam that would capture or kill “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.”

Third,” said Prince, “you have to destroy them on the Internet.” Explaining, he asserted, “That means with a very capable IT program to dig in and find where these jihadist sites are being hosted, where they’re being issued from, and you go and find and finish them at the Internet server level and destroy their ability to communicate, even on the Web.”

(source http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/...islamic-state/ )

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I think Prince would know exactly who these people are... Since he has "worked for" them in the past... He also might have a hand to play in the third part of his plan - cybersecurity.

See my post here, which is an email from Wikileaks that includes a detailed article:

Secret Desert Force Set Up by Blackwater’s Founder

It covers the establishment of a mercenary company by a front corporation for Prince - Reflex Responses or R2:

Posted by Searcher (here)
Sheik Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi hired Erik Prince to build a fighting force.
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Mr. Prince, who resettled here last year after his security business faced mounting legal problems in the United States, was hired by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi to put together an 800-member battalion of foreign troops for the U.A.E., according to former employees on the project, American officials and corporate documents obtained by The New York Times.
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Mr. Prince’s new company, Reflex Responses, obtained another multimillion-dollar contract to protect a string of planned nuclear power plants and to provide cybersecurity. He hopes to earn billions more, the former employees said, by assembling additional battalions of Latin American troops for the Emiratis and opening a giant complex where his company can train troops for other governments.
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There are lots more details in the full article in the post.

One might make the following speculative argument:
Prince is in the Middle East training mercenary units -> these units form the core / ally themselves with the core of ISIS -> ISIS is spectacularly successful in detabilising and creating real "trouble spots" (no doubt due to their Prince mercenary assistance) -> this creates the need for more aggressive military take down of ISIS -> Prince steps in to provide much needed advice as a military and regional expert -> and once again secures a sub-contract to "do the deed"

Neat little plan if true!

Questions

• Who is paying Prince now?
• Is this the same faction/party that was paying him before (2011 is when this article was written)?

Sorry @Bob - not exactly on topic but it does seem very convenient for Prince and his gang.

[Bob]

Posted by Searcher (here)

Posted by Bob (here)
The founder of Blackwater a former security firm that received immense contracts for security in Iraq (and cited for scandals about killing who some consider "innocent" Iraqi civilians..) weights in as follows - what it will take, a 3 point plan to "take 'em out"..

“One, you have to take away any claim they have to a Caliphate. That means destroying any conventional force they have in Iraq or Syria,” said Prince, adding that he did not think it would require American troops on the ground, but local forces with American support, instead.

Item two is a “Phoenix Program,” similar to the one employed in Vietnam that would capture or kill “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.”

Third,” said Prince, “you have to destroy them on the Internet.” Explaining, he asserted, “That means with a very capable IT program to dig in and find where these jihadist sites are being hosted, where they’re being issued from, and you go and find and finish them at the Internet server level and destroy their ability to communicate, even on the Web.”

(source http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/...islamic-state/ )

...

I think Prince would know exactly who these people are... Since he has "worked for" them in the past... He also might have a hand to play in the third part of his plan - cybersecurity.

See my post here, which is an email from Wikileaks that includes a detailed article:

Secret Desert Force Set Up by Blackwater’s Founder

It covers the establishment of a mercenary company by a front corporation for Prince - Reflex Responses or R2:

Posted by Searcher (here)
Sheik Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi hired Erik Prince to build a fighting force.
...

Mr. Prince, who resettled here last year after his security business faced mounting legal problems in the United States, was hired by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi to put together an 800-member battalion of foreign troops for the U.A.E., according to former employees on the project, American officials and corporate documents obtained by The New York Times.
...

Mr. Prince’s new company, Reflex Responses, obtained another multimillion-dollar contract to protect a string of planned nuclear power plants and to provide cybersecurity. He hopes to earn billions more, the former employees said, by assembling additional battalions of Latin American troops for the Emiratis and opening a giant complex where his company can train troops for other governments.
...

//
There are lots more details in the full article in the post.

One might make the following speculative argument:
Prince is in the Middle East training mercenary units -> these units form the core / ally themselves with the core of ISIS -> ISIS is spectacularly successful in detabilising and creating real "trouble spots" (no doubt due to their Prince mercenary assistance) -> this creates the need for more aggressive military take down of ISIS -> Prince steps in to provide much needed advice as a military and regional expert -> and once again secures a sub-contract to "do the deed"

Neat little plan if true!

Questions

• Who is paying Prince now?
• Is this the same faction/party that was paying him before (2011 is when this article was written)?

Sorry @Bob - not exactly on topic but it does seem very convenient for Prince and his gang.

Seems Putin would know too..

The point being Prince made 3 primary points -

1. - destabilize/contain ISIS in Iraq and Syria, prevent a new religious-like "state" being formed by them. The Caliphate - A caliphate is an area containing an Islamic steward known as a caliph - a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad (Muhammad ibn ʿAbdullāh), and serves as a leader of the entire Muslim community within the Caliphate.
2. - find and remove the funders. Under Obama's administration, 'removing funding' consisted of not going after the mideast billionaires that Prince alluded to are funding, but went after "oil convoys".. A low level form of "containment" but not stopping the main sources of funding.
3. - stop the networking - starting with internet, no matter where the servers are, take them out, and the IT managers (or 'kids?') setting them up, following with cellphone, radio, etc.. What would be left is word of mouth and hand carried notes either by ground vehicle, possibly by air, but the chance of such being shot down would be high.

I hadn't heard of anyone besides Erik Prince who has suggested those particular 3 key steps to deal with ISIS.

That Putin says his organization located the "backers", could be an interesting reason why President Elect Trump would be looking to a good working relationship with Putin. President Elect Trump has emphasized "draining the swamp". How far that goes internationally with the "Phoenix-like" campaign could be as small as a DELTA-like force teams and in conjunction with the Russian Spetsnaz teams. Again a reason for cooperation.

--In the OP post 1, I pointed out, albeit colorfully, that removing a local leader, an "ISIS" head is just part of the small level "containment effort". "Whack-a-mole". Prince points out find the sources which makes the snake, and remove that. Else another snake will appear rapidly and the drama will continue.

--I haven't seen how Prince's 3 step plan deals with "home grown" terrorists, trying to be "ISIS-Like", however part of draining the swamp (in other threads), the paths seem to point pretty clearly that Soros is involved in supporting "home-grown" terrorism.

Other posts in the Transitioned into Trump thread detail Soros' activites, with sponsoring/paying for organized movements to seditiously attempt to brain-wash US kids to jump on the "protest" campaigns.. playing into the ISIS backer's hands..

** I will add one other 'point' - the "Pay for Play" relationships created during the Clinton Era and the payments into the Clinton Foundations - potentially, one can find leads back to the "makers of snakes". In one post I pointed out "fly on the wall-like" what could have been spoken to President Elect Trump, during his 15 minute meeting, that turned into a 90 minute "briefing".. that probably "pay for play" was explained, why it was done..