A documentary more powerful than Loose Change ... blows the lid off the Inside Job!

[Teakai]

Posted by Zook (here)
Hi Aikisaw,

I guess I have two trouble points with holograms. Yes, the noise-making hologram and how that could be achieved is problematic.

Hi Zook, did you happen to see the post about LRAD?
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[Fred259]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Maybe it's cultural, Fred, the difference between an English afternoon tea party and an Australia prawn on the barbie.
My own character feels there is little time for delicacy - attention spans are short. Leave no spaces in which confusion has room to grow.


I have put a thread up - and pretty much spilled it all there as well
What else is there to say - except that there may be interesting and unexplored details to be aired.

No no no we don’t do afternoon tea where I come from afternoon whisky yes, but not tea.

Ummm Im just wondering if this is such a good idea, with Bill and his 33. You know what that is don’t you, and you also you know where the 33N degree latitude is don’t you. Tip, it’s got a mosque on a mountain, but some say it’s not a real mountain. It’s also got a wall close by, where grown men cry…that’s 33N degrees latitude.

What ya say…

[Fred259]

MODHATTER...

A decision is required on#282

[modwiz]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
No no no we don’t do afternoon tea where I come from afternoon whisky yes, but not tea.

Ummm Im just wondering if this is such a good idea, with Bill and his 33. You know what that is don’t you, and you also you know where the 33N degree latitude is don’t you. Tip, it’s got a mosque on a mountain, but some say it’s not a real mountain. It’s also got a wall close by, where grown men cry…that’s 33N degrees latitude.

What ya say…

Very delicate. Subtle phrasing too.

[Fred259]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Hi Zook, did you happen to see the post about LRAD?
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I saw that Teakai, that’s an example of the technology now in the commercial world or available for public use is I guess what Im trying to say. But bet your bottom $ they will have an all singing dancing military version up the sleeve…

[Teakai]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
No no no we don’t do afternoon tea where I come from afternoon whisky yes, but not tea.

Ummm Im just wondering if this is such a good idea, with Bill and his 33. You know what that is don’t you, and you also you know where the 33N degree latitude is don’t you. Tip, it’s got a mosque on a mountain, but some say it’s not a real mountain. It’s also got a wall close by, where grown men cry…that’s 33N degrees latitude.

What ya say…

I say what Ben says, 'People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both'.

[modwiz]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
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I enjoyed the docs Dennis especially Book 2 9/11 and the Sub Prime Crisis



This is the best bit


( Several CIA and Governemnt Operatives were speaking in a park and this was overheard)

“With our expertise at placing dictators in power why don’t we treat the United States like the world’s biggest banana republic and take it over"

You can’t argue against it, they have been remarkably successful. What a shower of cockroaches the lot of them. They should be tarred and feathered.

Goldman Sachs are cleaning up.

Rockefeller, water fracking getting every last drop out!

Get Obama out of the White House and into Jail.

It’s important because this sends a message to other world leaders.

“Power back to the people”

In Britain we are riddled with Marxists, it’s an Infestation.

Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, models himself on former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair (Fabian/ Marxist) and Gordon Brown, (Fabian / Marxist) along with Obama’s guru the Marxist Saul Alinsky!

Plan B

Abandon the south and the illegal aliens.

Move west from the Black Hill’s of North Dakota. Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, California.

Get down to Wal-Mart, F.W.A. (Food, Water, Ammo)

It’s the world over, posting with Teakai in New South Wales, Australia she was reporting they are building a $300 million prison camp on Christmas Island. (For illegal’s you understand)
They say “an Island” and you think it’s just by the coast, its 2000 miles from Sydney, now I know Aussies like space but is that not excessive!

UK, we are closing military air-bases and turning them into “Immigration Detention Centre”. (For illegal’s you understand)

What the public don’t understand is that when the country is down the pan, the illegal’s don’t want to come anymore. So detention centre’s become prison camps.

Now we know why we have mass immigration and illegal aliens.

It’s all part of the plan.

Marxism. Rothschild and the New World Order.

Yuri Bezmenov – Ex KGB Psychlogical warfare officer- "How to destroy a nation".


https://youtube.com/watch?v=JN0By0xbst8

(This video should be mandatory in every school in the western world)[/QUOTE]

Love the phrase, "shower of cockroaches". They do love the dark.

Addendum: This posted all wrong. If there is a way to remove an entire post I would love that information.
Thank you
Modwiz

[Fred259]

What dont you like?

[Teakai]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
What dont you like?

Yeah, I'm curious, too , Fred- it all sounds fine to me.

[aikisaw]

It has been a few years since I did extensive research on 9-11. I will try to find the web-sites when I have more time.
I was looking at a web site that broke down all the news footage from the different networks. I thought they did a good job in their analysis. They showed many different angles of the the 2nd plane hitting. on some of the footage you could see the nose extend beyond the tower in pretty good shape considering all the concrete and steel it just hit. I have a linked here https://youtube.com/watch?v=P5PZxGsYNnY ( probably didn't do that right sorry) You can note on this vid that it enters at one level and exist at another. One other point from the news angle they played the audio from 4 or 5 different networks they all had a beep 7 seconds before the plane hit. They was lots of footage from many networks all timed pretty well for the close up.

If this has since been found not to true I am not aware of it. If it is still of interest I will attempt to dig out the website

[Fred259]

Yes join the forum, I think I know what you are talking about its where the video joins the building.

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Posted by aikisaw (here)
I should know better than to bring a 5 pound brain to a 10 pound brain discussion. Here it goes anyway.

We agree that there were extra aircraft in the area of the pentagon.

Zook has an issue with holograms based on noise.

Is it possible that the extra aircraft were used to cloak/hide the flyover?

It would not have to done for long. Most if not all would distracted by the explosion.

I am not sure which technology is most difficult to to use in real time. Given the nose out at WTC an indication of a hologram being used at that site. Is it possible they trying other tech at the pentagon.

A very though provoking question at 23.32 GMT..ailisaw..

The answer is we don’t know if a Hologram was used or not.

It’s my view that no aircraft hit the Pentagon. Had this happened the building would have been extensively damaged both externally and internally. No serious wreckage was recovered.

Ground effect is a serious hazard particularly at speed, and this would have prohibited any aircraft penetrating the building, in the manner they intended.

Witness reports in the video indicate a B767 flying low over the Navy annex and the CITGO gas station. We suggest this aircraft then slipped over the top. Of course it created a lot of noise and vortices, this is what they wanted.

A C-130 was reported loitering overhead by 6 witnesses.

In one witness report a C-130 departing Andrews AFB for Minnesota, and while on route discovered “Hani Hanjour” on his way to the Pentagon. The C-130 then followed Hani. I think this aircraft was responsible for the Hologram activity from its cargo door or by another means.

Reports indicated heavy traffic and delays. These were staged managed with blind areas created and clear areas closed.

This whole attack probably took 4-6 seconds to execute.

My view is that real B767 flew over the Navy annex CITGO garage and over the pentagon making a lot of noise. As the aircraft disappeared over the roof top the hologram was launched from the C-130 and almost at the same time a shoulder held missile was fired at the building from the underpass. The building was wired with explosives, to create the illusion.

The question of Hologram noise has yet to be discovered. I agree this is the weak link.

I know nothing about Holograms, indeed the whole purpose of the thread from my point of view is to generate discussion and perhaps someone who does know about this technology might come forward. Tens of thousand of engineers know about Holograms, we just need to find that engineer.

The military industrial complex is 50 years ahead of our technology, so I conclude that if they can create Holograms they can modulate noise onto some carrier wave, but I fully accept and underscore I don’t know how this is done.

[modwiz]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
What dont you like?

The post was great. I was especially enjoying the "shower of cockroaches" phrase. It was the formatting that seem to come out wrong. That's all. Your entire post did not go into the quote box was my gist.

[Fred259]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Yeah, I'm curious, too , Fred- it all sounds fine to me.

I don’t know, maybe Rockefeller frac job.

947 logged on and No Zook, gone AWOL, Zook and the Z factor!

[Zook]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Hi Zook, did you happen to see the post about LRAD?
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Hi Teaks!

Yup. The sound energy is theoretically possible. So I guess that aspect of the argument leaves the possibility of a holograph intact.

Roosevelt Roberts scuttles it tho'. At least, I can't see how it cannot.



ps: Haven't been fracked yet, Fred! But if it involves a holograph of Lana Turner ... I'm all in!

[Riggaz]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Hiya...after reflecting on the whole 9/11 business....this is what I think probably happened...


Al Qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 airliners.

The day was chosen because Vigilant Guardian/Global Guardian military exercises
were taking place...and the confusion would buy the terrorists time.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity...ilant_guardian



Flight 11 was crashed by terrorists into the World Trade Centre tower.

Flight 175 was crashed by terrorists into the other WTC tower.


The US military got on top of the situation and....


Flight 77 was taken by remote control over the Atlantic Ocean and shot down.

Flight 93 was taken by remote control to a rural part of Pennsylvania and shot down.


For political and propaganda reasons it was decided to cover up the fact that
the military were forced to shoot down the 2 planes.

The Pentagon is the lynch-pin to the whole thing. The incident that fuels the 'Inside Job'
conspiracy and perhaps was, in retrospect a mistake by the 'authorities'.

It was decided to set up the Pentagon to make it look like flight 77 hit it.
Pentagon chosen because it is government property and there was an unoccupied section?

A helicopter fired a missile into the unoccupied area?
Or bombs were set off to look like the building was hit?

Airliner wreckage was placed at the scene.

As I have said before...I don't think that 9/11 was an 'Inside Job'....but I do think
that covering up what actually happened to flights 77 and 93 has brought about
an internet PSYOPS job....to drive the 9/11 conspiracy and muddy the waters.

??????????

I think the problem with making a judgement on 9/11 is looking at it as a civilian because we grossly underestimate the amount of standard operating procedures there are in place that makes the official version impossible to accomplish. Also laws of science were defied somehow in this event according to the official theory. Sometimes i find it easier to find out what can't happen and from that you can make a better judgement on what did.

You cannot fly aircraft of course with no transponder signal without immediate alarm bells going off and fighter jets being scrambled to investigate within 10minutes.
The Twin Towers were designed to take the impact of a Boeing 707, are we supposed to believe that the designers thought the 707 would crash into the building with no fuel on board?
An aluminium plane cannot cut a steel framed building in half.
Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, especially steel made to the spec of that used in the support columns.
The top 1/3rd of the building fell through the undamaged bottom 2/3rds taking the path of greatest resistance straight to the floor at near free fall speed as the undamaged bottom part turn to dust underneath it, previously unheard of and defying the laws of science.
The second tower fell not long after in exactly the same way.
Tower 7 fell to the floor at free fall speed into it's own footprint after not getting hit by a plane and having a few smallish fire on a few floors.
The passport that survived the initial plane impact, survived the fireball, survived the collapse of the trade centres only to be found in near perfect condition on the street bellow
Larry Silverstein's admission that he decided to "pull it" when speaking about WT7 despite the fact that it can take a week or two at least to rig a building of that size for demolition
Molten steel seen in the rubble
Explosions "like gunfire, bang, bang, bang, bang" heard by witnesses
Traces of Thermite found in the dust
Hani Hanjour, known as a terrible pilot, according to the black box data completed a manoeuvre that traffic controllers thought was a fighter jet due to the difficulty of the 360 degree turn at such a high speed and flew it into the Pentagon.
No aircraft parts at the pentagon, not even a mark on the grass outside it.
Key witnesses dying in strange events in the months following the attacks
Al queada is the name of a computer database that the CIA held on the Mujahadeen fighter that they were allied with against the russians
Osama Bin Laden has never admitted responsibility for the attacks
On the FBI website Osama Bin Laden has not been charged with the attacks

There are many, many more, too many impossibilities and anomalies with the official theory for it to be true
I don't think we have enough data available to us to say that the planes were remote controlled or hi jacked or whether there even were any planes for sure but what we can work out with the data that the alternative community has is that there was government and military intelligence involvement

[Fred259]

[
ps:

Haven't been fracked yet, Fred! But if it involves a holograph of Lana Turner ... I'm all in!

Lana Turner ? No no no sorry not on this occasion, perhaps another time. A frac job is just more of the usual Cra* that goes on in pursuit of $$$ sorry to disappoint.

A “Frac Job” it’s used in the oil industry, to get the last drop of oil and gas out. Remember its $$$ and more $$$ for Goldman Sachs your “Z friends”.

They bring in lots of lorry tankers and pump water down drill holes at immense pressure to “Frac” (fracture) the earths crust producing cracks and fissures and is so doing they can get that very very last drop of oil and gas out.

Environmentalist go mad. They say –

You are damaging the earths crust.
Polluting the natural water table. (drinking water)
Abusing a natural resource.
Tens of thosands of gallons of drinking water - lost in the Frac
Playing God with nature.
A lot of surface environmental damage also takes place.

It’s quite controversial in the US and Canada.

The oil giants as you might expect don’t agree. They have targets to meet for Goldman Sashs after all.

Warning - If you are an environmentalist don’t watch this – move on below.

This is a “Frac Job” (2mins)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NOfadg9xavE



This is what the environmentalists have to say (RT 3 mins)

The Environmental Argument.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mkr-ImrRxNM


In my post I said Rockefeller (Standard Oil) are “fracking” to get every last $ out of the earth.

Never mind maybe Lana next time!!

[mrmalco]

"Nanothermite is a much more logical answer for those questions."

This suggestion however doesn't address that long lasting furnace beneath the ground at Twin Towers. Nanothermite is, yes, incredible hot but also, according to military sources very quick cooling. Whatever was cooking beneath that site a month later, and still tending to melt the boots of workers there, was not nanothermite.

Having said that, there are so many conflicting reports, rumours, guesses, misquote and postures around the whole 9/11 topic that I for one distrust everyone. Which - on the assumption that the hands of people other than 'Al Quaeda' were all over the event - is no doubt exactly what was intended.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Operator (here)
There is an inconsistency in your storyline ...
1. if flight 77 and 93 could be taken over by remote control are you then suggesting that this could be done with any plane any time the military wants to ?
2. if so, then why did they let flight 11 and 175 crash into the buildings if they had the opportunity to remotely control the planes ?

I agree that there is probably a part where (part of) the US government and/or world governments were blackmailed to go along with a cover up.
But that's much more complicated then you picture here ....

They can indeed fly planes on remote control. Ironically, this system was designed to take over hijacked airliners, but on Sep 11, they used that to control the aircraft and crash them.
Anyone that believes there were pilots guiding the two planes into the WTC is seriously mistaken.
Why? Think about a military aircraft fitted with g suits to prevent redout and blackout in pilots. How many commercial aircraft have them?
How would the pilots on those two planes have avoided red out and black out pulling high g turns over New York city?

We have seen predator drones flown from California to Afghanistan and back again by a pilot on the ground in California, so this isn't some sci fi claim.


Former German Minister Von Buelow Already Knew About Remote Control. In his interview with the German daily "Tagesspiegel" on January 13th, former German Secretary of Defence Andreas Von Buelow made the following statement:

"There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: according to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case..."

Not quite so much a theory as might first appear. When I released the above report about "Home Run" remote control in October 2001, I mentioned that one European flag carrier was aware of the technology, though at that precise point in time I thought it prudent not to name the actual airline:

"As long ago as the early nineties, a major European flag carrier acquired the information and was seriously alarmed that one of its own aircraft might be "rescued" by the Americans without its authority. Accordingly, this flag carrier completely stripped the American flight control computers out of its entire fleet, and replaced them with a home grown version. These aircraft are now effectively impregnable to penetration by Home Run, but that is more than can be said for the American aircraft fleet..."

The European flag carrier which completely stripped the American flight computers out of its aircraft was Lufthansa, the German national airline. Bearing in mind his former posts as Secretary of Defence and Minister of Science and Technology, Herr Von Buelow would have known all about this mammoth but secretive task.

How very clever (and discreet) of Von Buelow to sort of "drop the information" into the middle of an interview about the 9/11 attacks!
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/a...erun.html#ref1
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/a...s/homerun.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_Bülow

Also, have a look at this.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=26g18Dg7db4

Look at the date that went to air. What do you think of that little gem?

Posted by jaybee (here)
...and
a heartbreaking tragedy for all the people caught up in the events of the day.

This I agree with and I have a feeling that people will have to answer for the events of that day and I am not talking about some fake group set up by the alphabet agencies.

Posted by jaybee (here)
I believe that Al Qaeda exists and have used Western Governments for their advancement
and you could say......have used them and their money (when the Russians were involved
with Afganistan) to build the organization.

I would suggest to you that you have the horse by the tail, not by the head. Or, if you want, you have it the wrong way around.

Posted by jaybee (here)
Yes I do..... and I don't think for one minute that 7/7 was an 'inside job'....they are probably
very clever....extremely committed and have infiltrated Western Society at a military level..
or are good at hacking into military sites???

Did you know there were drills going on that day? That these drills involved the exact stations where the ''terrorists'' struck? And that the owner of the security firm that was running them is ex SIS?


http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

Posted by 3optic (here)
My understanding is that individuals involved in highly classified projects aren't privy to the whole picture and therefore don't necessarily know what happened.

They call this compartmentalisation.

Posted by 3optic (here)
You seem very young to me jaybee or simply new to these ideas. I recommend more investigation. For one thing Al Qaeda translates as "The Data Base". What radical Islamist group would call themselves that? Isn't it more likely the name of a list of people on a CIA payroll? You seem to be avoiding more obvious conclusions.

Al qaeda actually means ''The base'' and the name was coined by a player within the us government during the Clinton era.

Posted by Fred259 (here)
Power back to the people. Restore your battered Constitution.

Hey Fred, google this word, consitutor, then come back and tell us what you found.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Marxism isn't Marxism if it doesn't follow Marx. It's like people calling themselves "Christian" but not following anything that Christ was supposed to have done and said.

The Bolsheviks thought they were going to get communism, but instead, they got herded into a totalitarian state that was mislabled as "communism" or "socialism." I guess I just hate to see the purposely mislabeled concept getting bashed. At the core concept, Marxism and communism are about sharing everything and anti-elitism. As far as I know, no nation has ever actually even experimented with Marxism or communism, although several nations have (mis)used the labels.

I believe that calling any of the greed-driven, elitist people named above (Cameron, Blair, Brown, Alinsky) "Marxist" is literally the opposite of the truth - and would really piss off Karl Marx!

Sorry, this had nothing directly to do with 911 or the movie "National Security Alert", and I do agree that the above named individuals are Enemies of the People (and all part of a 911 cover-up), just not "Marxists."

Dennis

Posted by Zook (here)
Good afternoon, Dennis,



I hear you. One of my very closest friends is a Marxist ... and we always have a row over this. LOL! :

I will have to respectfully disagree with the argument that Marxism is only Marxism as Karl Marx saw it. Movements are usually started as an ideal and implemented away from this ideal. So you are correct, Marxism is not necessarily as Marx originally wrote about. That being said, Marxism is definitely connected to the bankster empire (via the well-connected Engells) ... and is genuinely not grassroots, e.g. of the people. One of the fundamental tenets of Marxism ... as Marx wrote and understood it ... is the centralization of credit. Fast forward to 2011, and we have the push for a One World Bank (amidst a litany of one-world constructs). That is the simple proof that Marx was a Rothschild banking stooge. For a more complex proof, we would need a new thread.

To wit, Marx was the strong pen of the bankster empire at the turn of the last European century; not the detached orator of the downtrodden masses (that the empire and its mainstream media octopus has strategically positioned him to be). Humble opinion.



ps: Please assume that my MOD hat is always off wherever I offer an opinion on political matters.

ps: BTW, my aforementioned Marxist best friend is the closest thing to a brother to me.

To the both of you, let me add this, marx and engels did not write that crap with their names on it.
Go and google this group, A League Of Just Men, they are the group that was used to get those names onto the books under marx and engels names.
Have a guess who really wrote/had it written?

Posted by Fred259 (here)
In an attempt to steer the thread back on topic, are you saying Zook that Karl Marx was a Zionist?

Posted by Zook (here)
LOL! Thanx Fred.

modHATTERoff

In the sense that I have defined Zionist previously in this thread, e.g. as a Rothschild bankster crime syndicate/movement, yes. But I would call Marx a proto-Zionist, because the official movement did not begin until later. Please feel free to start another thread. I will gladly donate what I can (to the new topic).

modHATTERon

Yes, he was and the movement predates any orgs that only popped up in the late 1800s. They have been on this road for millenia and you can see it in jewish religious texts.

[aikisaw]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
Aikisaw, I see you are in Pennsylvania, and we are in England. We were wondering given that you are local, you must know where Shanksville is and aikisaw any chance of you nipping up with your camera so we can get a proper look at this site and the hole!.



Please take care on site, we are told it’s a small hole, we don’t want you stumbling into the hole it’s still a crime scene…

I' sorry I did not respond to this sooner I just saw it . Sure I will attempt to do that. I have a good camera and would not be a problem.

The problem may arise from the fact that the government wanted to" protect the property owner" so they made him sell the farm to them. Then in a effort to "protect the public" they put a fence around it. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10252/1085912-55.stm The article is mostly tripe.

Be happy to get what I can.

The only reason I found this post Is I was looking for the site to answer this question you wrote about the nose out theory.

"That’s a very interesting comment ailisaw, would you care to expand"?

The web site that I thought did a good job covering the media was this one.

http://www.septemberclues.info/

This web site and forum is so vast that that this may already be here and be considered junk. I do not know. I thought the questions that they raise are as good as any

[Fred259]

Posted by aikisaw (here)
I' sorry I did not respond to this sooner I just saw it . Sure I will attempt to do that. I have a good camera and would not be a problem.

The problem may arise from the fact that the government wanted to" protect the property owner" so they made him sell the farm to them. Then in a effort to "protect the public" they put a fence around it. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10252/1085912-55.stm The article is mostly tripe.

Be happy to get what I can.

The only reason I found this post Is I was looking for the site to answer this question you wrote about the nose out theory.

"That’s a very interesting comment ailisaw, would you care to expand"?

The web site that I thought did a good job covering the media was this one.

http://www.septemberclues.info/

This web site and forum is so vast that that this may already be here and be considered junk. I do not know. I thought the questions that they raise are as good as any

Well there you go… it was just a casual remark given you live in Pennsylvania, so what does aikisaw come back with,

“The government wanted to protect the property owner so they made him sell the farm to them. Then in an effort to "protect the public" they put a fence around it.”Some say the hole was 30ft x 20ft which is a Cessna 172 size hole. Then again perhaps they looked in the wrong hole.

So that’s good aikisaw, the farmer is now protected, the public protected but what about the public getting the truth? I suppose they had to fence that in as well; “to protect the public”.