Not Quite Farewell

[TargeT]

Her perception colored my words in a way that I did not intend (in a way that I can't even really understand) enough that she made a public statement on it.


I see it as another great example of the power of perception & how different it can be from individual to individual.


I'm sure in her mind she thought that she was doing exactly the right thing based on her perception.

Were I a more organized person I'd write up some formal paper on perception, reality and such... but I imagine there's plenty of good work out there on it already (haven't looked yet, plan to!)

[greybeard]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Her perception colored my words in a way that I did not intend (in a way that I can't even really understand) enough that she made a public statement on it.


I see it as another great example of the power of perception & how different it can be from individual to individual.


I'm sure in her mind she thought that she was doing exactly the right thing based on her perception.

Were I a more organized person I'd write up some formal paper on perception, reality and such... but I imagine there's plenty of good work out there on it already (haven't looked yet, plan to!)

I like Sierra and most time agree with her take on things.
Not this time---I think she unfortunately miss read what TargeT was saying and one misunderstanding led to another.
Unfortunate but there you go thats life.

Good book is "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" --enough said

Chris

[Sunny-side-up]

Sorry to see you go Whiskey_Mystic. I always appreciated your views and input.

Avalon is still that great site of wisdom and truth seekers, things like politics get people carried away a bit ha

Think about staying and keeping up the standards Whiskey_Mystic.

If you do go stay cool and report back any real items of worth you might deem worthy

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
From the Thread: Anti-Trump Riots Erupt in the Bay Area

Posted by Althena (here)
I grew up there, it's always been brain dead liberals living in the Bay, total waste of flesh.

I just checked back into Avalon after years away. Comments like the one above are why I no longer frequent the site. It is easier to put labels on people and objectify them than to try to understand their perspective. But it is disappointing. Avalon was once a place where people from different backgrounds and with different points of view could come together in pursuit of common goals and to enrich each other. It is no longer that place. Attitudes like the one above appear to be dominant now.

I clearly do not belong here at Avalon any longer, so I will bid you all a final adieu. I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Thank you Bill for your wonderful contributions to the greater body of knowledge.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

Posted by Star Tsar (here)
Whiskey_Mystic, please do not let one user change your perception of Avalon. I too have concerns about that user's posts...

All the moderators have those same concerns, and have had for a while. This may be a good opportunity to clarify that.

Moderation is an inexact science (or, maybe it's an art!) -- and we usually, if we can, try to guide things along with a fairly non-interfering hand. That's kind of our default, as it were.

What's important to state is that just because we seem to let certain posts and threads stand, that doesn't necessarily mean we endorse them one bit.

I count Whiskey_Mystic as a personal friend (I met him back in 2011, and greatly enjoyed his highest-quality company). And yes, he would be missed.

Althena's crass, crude, unaware, arrogant, verbally violent, and entirely unintelligent remark about people in the Bay Area does NOT represent the forum or its membership. (I wonder how many Avalon members live there! )

And it certainly doesn't represent my view.

Althena lives in Patagonia, nearly 7,000 miles away from several million people all of whom he's he's castigating, and does not know. Although he says he grew up in the Bay Area, that was several decades ago, and broad-brush remarks like that need very great care, caution, and caveats. None of those were evident.

This is simple bigotry.

There is a problem here, but it's one that's really about a very few people screaming loudly and attracting a lot of attention in a large group of well over 1000 people. Althena -- do spend a moment searching -- has usually always just copied and pasted text (and copied screeching headlines, too) from other blogs and forums. He has rarely let us know any personal opinions which he has taken the time to craft with his own words.

So, this thread has been very useful. The moderators unanimously agree that Althena should go. This has been discussed between us before, but (see above), we never took any action.

We wish him well, but he has now been unsubscribed: not for any one transgression, but for a prevalent and unrelenting attitude that is NOT very helpful to make this world a better place.

When it comes to the point that the forum itself is identified by a returning, longstanding member as being in some way represented or typified by someone like him, then that reaches a tipping point. It means something is wrong.

What I WOULD request -- Whiskey, I'm addressing you directly here as a friend, and asking you personally -- is that you might take a few moments to chip in and add your own remedial balance to all this. These are important times -- critical, maybe -- and there are a lot of strong feelings swirling round.

All that can be understood. But how we express ourselves, even when upset and passionate, is always the measure of the person. We welcome anyone here, no matter what their political views, who can share their worldview in a careful* and intelligent* way.

* And -- a note to every one of us, maybe, self included. 'Careful' and 'intelligent' are two words that we might all take a moment to bookmark... and refer to often.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I myself think elections have been a hot spot for discussions since Avalon began...

After elections things calm down, but as long as crazy videos are being created, we have members who bring them forward.

There was a reason you came back after several years so before you stroll off, you might want to meditate with the TV fear porn shut off.

Those loading the lips on CNN and MSNBC are fueling a civil war in the US.

Heavy mind control being broadcast that gives me a headache every time I stop for a few minutes to see what is going on...

I come to Avalon daily and really think you searched for a reason to say goodbye...

There are always plenty of posts, blocking a vulgar poster makes it go away...

So, I'm not saying goodbye...

But will pour a Johny Walker Blue and toast until we meet again...


Avalon is a think-tank people go to for knowledge on taboo discussions, we look at both sides of every situation. Trump Depends on Drudge VT and Zero for real news...

We're do you think they go to find what is breaking?

It's Us...

Things are about to change quick, and we might be the place where a crazy world makes sense...

That is why we are gathered, to discuss the real story behind events that affect real people.

We have no agenda, thoughts and discussions change with the wind....

So remember, even the obnoxious ones have gathered for a reason, all sides, all minds...

Stay away from anything political, it's better for your health...

Cheers!!!

You want to start an important discussion, a smart doctor once said, for those who can't afford healthcare give them all cures, save the fancy hospitals and drugs for those who can afford them.

Make that the New Romney care...

[RunningDeer]

As many have expressed on this thread, their only intent is to make a simple point when they post. Or in one recent case, a new member began a thread with a simple mountain analogy. I saw it as one way to gauge others' interests, their perspective, and level of understanding. Within a couple of posts the thread went south. There was a rush to judgement rather than as Whiskey Mystic pointed out “try to understand their perspective".

To my way of thinking, that only shuts people down. People lurk. They don’t bother to check in. They unsubscribe. We all lose.

That’s also how I’ve interpreted Whiskey_Mystic farewell comments:

1. It is easier to put labels on people
2. objectify them
3. than to try to understand their perspective.

[Flash]

thank you Bill - he had been literally gross with me. In my views, he was not worth any response, because his were not that creative/thought of of course the views that were his own, not copies from other blogs/forums (contrarily to Target where I took time to speak with him because of his intelligence and good will). And if he reads this, assuming I was French speaking because I am from Quebec would not have made an a ss of him and me, as he said it did because I presumed he spoke Spanish since he lives in Argentina. He would not have made an a ss of him and me because assuming people from Quebec are French speaking is a right assumption (7 millions of them located in the same province), and I myself have French as my mothertongue.

Please Whisky Mistyc come back -

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
From the Thread: Anti-Trump Riots Erupt in the Bay Area

Posted by Althena (here)
I grew up there, it's always been brain dead liberals living in the Bay, total waste of flesh.

I just checked back into Avalon after years away. Comments like the one above are why I no longer frequent the site. It is easier to put labels on people and objectify them than to try to understand their perspective. But it is disappointing. Avalon was once a place where people from different backgrounds and with different points of view could come together in pursuit of common goals and to enrich each other. It is no longer that place. Attitudes like the one above appear to be dominant now.

I clearly do not belong here at Avalon any longer, so I will bid you all a final adieu. I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Thank you Bill for your wonderful contributions to the greater body of knowledge.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

Posted by Star Tsar (here)
Whiskey_Mystic, please do not let one user change your perception of Avalon. I too have concerns about that user's posts...

All the moderators have those same concerns, and have had for a while. This may be a good opportunity to clarify that.

Moderation is an inexact science (or, maybe it's an art!) -- and we usually, if we can, try to guide things along with a fairly non-interfering hand. That's kind of our default, as it were.

What's important to state is that just because we seem to let certain posts and threads stand, that doesn't necessarily mean we endorse them one bit.

I count Whiskey_Mystic as a personal friend (I met him back in 2011, and greatly enjoyed his highest-quality company). And yes, he would be missed.

Althena's crass, crude, unaware, arrogant, verbally violent, and entirely unintelligent remark about people in the Bay Area does NOT represent the forum or its membership. (I wonder how many Avalon members live there! )

And it certainly doesn't represent my view.

Althena lives in Patagonia, nearly 7,000 miles away from several million people all of whom he's he's castigating, and does not know. Although he says he grew up in the Bay Area, that was several decades ago, and broad-brush remarks like that need very great care, caution, and caveats. None of those were evident.

This is simple bigotry.

There is a problem here, but it's one that's really about a very few people screaming loudly and attracting a lot of attention in a large group of well over 1000 people. Althena -- do spend a moment searching -- has usually always just copied and pasted test (and copied screeching headlines, too) from other blogs and forums. He has rarely let us know any personal opinions which he has taken the time to craft with his own words.

So, this thread has been very useful. The moderators unanimously agree that Althena should go. This has been discussed between us before, but (see above), we never took any action.

We wish him well, but he has now been unsubscribed: not for any one transgression, but for a prevalent and unrelenting attitude that is NOT very helpful to make this world a better place.

When it comes to the point that the forum itself is identified by a returning, longstanding member as being in some way represented or typified by someone like him, then that reaches a tipping point. It means something is wrong.

What I WOULD request -- Whiskey, I'm addressing you directly here as a friend, and asking you personally -- is that you might take a few moments to chip in and add your own remedial balance to all this. These are important times -- critical, maybe -- and there are a lot of strong feelings swirling round.

All that can be understood. But how we express ourselves, even when upset and passionate, is always the measure of the person. We welcome anyone here, no matter what their political views, who can share their worldview in a careful* and intelligent* way.

* And -- a note to every one of us, maybe, self included. 'Careful' and 'intelligent' are two words that we might might all take a moment to bookmark... and refer to often.

[Sierra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
Her perception colored my words in a way that I did not intend (in a way that I can't even really understand) enough that she made a public statement on it.


I see it as another great example of the power of perception & how different it can be from individual to individual.


I'm sure in her mind she thought that she was doing exactly the right thing based on her perception.

Were I a more organized person I'd write up some formal paper on perception, reality and such... but I imagine there's plenty of good work out there on it already (haven't looked yet, plan to!)

I like Sierra and most time agree with her take on things.
Not this time---I think she unfortunately miss read what TargeT was saying and one misunderstanding led to another.
Unfortunate but there you go thats life.

Good book is "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" --enough said

Chris

Greybeard, I trust, and respect your perceptions.

Apologies.

DNA: Hell no, I'm no Clinton apologist. I did not vote for her either. IMO both candidates were a set up to foment divisiveness, and polarize the population to attack one another, instead of the PTB. We're pretty much an ignorant loosh factory right now.

[Wind]

It's sometimes even quite important to disagree about things, since it can be healthy. That being said, it should be done without being too blunt or by being mean towards others. Words can be powerful tools, we should always think twice what to say or to post. Sometimes we can of course be emotional about some things and need a moment or two to cool down and think things through. It's natural...

I think this is a great community and I have lots of respect for it. It's always sad to see long standing members go...
Disagreements don't have to cause division amongst ourselves.

All the best.

[greybeard]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
As many have expressed on this thread, their only intent is to make a simple point when they post. Or in one recent case, a new member began a thread with a simple mountain analogy. I saw it as one way to gage others interest, their perspective, and level of understanding. Within a couple of posts the thread went south. There was a rush to judgement rather than as Whiskey Mystic pointed out “try to understand their perspective".

To my way of thinking, that only shuts people down. People lurk. They don’t bother to check in. They unsubscribe. We all lose.

That’s also how I’ve interpreted Whiskey_Mystic farewell comments:

1. It is easier to put labels on people
2. objectify them
3. than to try to understand their perspective.

With respect Paula--when you have just joined a forum I would think it would be a good idea to interact with others fist, to test the water on the many threads to choose from.
First post is a thread quoting from a book you have written or have an interest in is not a particularly good idea.
When you are putting yourself up as an expert in a subject you should know better than to start off in a new forum in this manner.
She had every chance to start anew as I suggested--then she compared the reaction here unfavorably to other forums she had joined--oh well.
How many forums would that be I wonder.

Thats my opinion and Im not saying my take is correct--no doubt she had good intentions but shot herself in the foot.

There have been quite a few gurus of late who did not last but they were give a fair crack of the whip so to speak.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
With respect Paula--when you have just joined a forum I would think it would be a good idea to interact with others fist, to test the water on the many threads to choose from.
First post is a thread quoting from a book you have written or have an interest in is not a particularly good idea.
When you are putting yourself up as an expert in a subject you should know better than to start off in a new forum in this manner.
She had every chance to start anew as I suggested--then she compared the reaction here unfavorably to other forums she had joined--oh well.
How many forums would that be I wonder.

Thats my opinion and Im not saying my take is correct--no doubt she had good intentions but shot herself in the foot.

There have been quite a few gurus of late who did not last but they were give a fair crack of the whip so to speak.

Chris

When you are putting yourself up as an expert in a subject you should know better than to start off in a new forum in this manner.

With respect, Chris, that member joined on June 3, 2016. Her first thread was October 18, 2016. How long must one be a member to put forth ideas without be accused of claiming to be an expert?

The title of the thread included the word excerpt not expert. In no way did I read or did she infer she was an expert. From her work and the other partners, I’d say Avalon lost some interesting perspectives.

no doubt she had good intentions but shot herself in the foot.

Maybe so or maybe she felt cornered or ganged up on or felt unwelcomed? We’ll never know.

Paula

[greybeard]

I apologize for being in error Paula but how many posts were made before starting the thread?
However Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall being the title of the thread suggests some expert knowledge of the subject.
The lady is still a member and free to post whenever she so wishes.

With love Chris

[3(C)+me]

New members it can be tricky cuz you can get pounced on right out of the gate. They can make mistakes and the older members who have seen "experts" come upon the stage suggesting all kinds of insider info ask me anything come and gone. The new expert requesting questions so he can educate the masses only to learn he is just trying to get over and have a laugh.

Not saying suggested poster above is such. I doubt very much that is the case.

But with all the weird and extreme emotions running around the collective and some of us are kind of world weary, we can be very cynical at times and trigger happy. I know I have been myself.




* And -- a note to every one of us, maybe, self included. 'Careful' and 'intelligent' are two words that we might might all take a moment to bookmark... and refer to often.


Noted.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I apologize for being in error Paula but how many posts were made before starting the thread?
However Quote from the book 'Advanced Teachings' by Mrs. Endall Beall being the title of the thread suggests some expert knowledge of the subject.
The lady is still a member and free to post whenever she so wishes.

With love Chris

The lady is still a member and free to post whenever she so wishes.

No, not really. She never got a fair chance to express her perspective. Unlike yourself and other strong folks, there are many bright, sensitive, caring people that don’t have the inclination to put themselves out there. They’re a quick study when the welcome mat is pulled out from under them.

Mrs. Endall Beall is a person that cared enough to go beyond the naysayers and post a bit more and then left. That’s unfortunate. That’s what’ll happen time and again until we stop with this rationale of why it’s okay to treat people that way.

We’re better than that.

Stepping away. I have no desire to do the intellectual shuffle, round and round and round.

A quote from one of her posts:

“…Who am I? I am nobody as I have explained in my written work. I am just one person sharing insights I’ve had of doing their own internal digging for a while, I am doing so because my spirit feels the push to do so as it is why I am here. My husband prompted me last year to share my insights because they are insights he thought should be shared in collaboration with the work he’s producing so I have put them out to the universe and let them fall where they may. My motivation to share is because someone out there may find inspiration in what I share; I do realize not everyone will…”

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think most people joining have been lurking for years, but might have one question left unanswered.

They Join, get accepted...

Then don't know how or where to ask their question...

Many move right into the different conversations and know everyone.

Then we have the stumble on that want to join the minute they find us...

Trouble always blows in and out from the 2nd group...

[Sueanne47]

Its great to be kind! ~

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yZQN1dYK_gM

[Bluegreen]

The thought occurred to me very early on with the poster in question, Oh, here is a fear porner out to rile people up. Is there an agenda? Working for someone? I wasn't bothered, just kept it in mind.

Because I really don't have a problem with it. I can always tune it out. Much so-called 'fear porn' is actually 'valuable information' that 95% of the population, through no fault of their own, remain completely in the dark about because they have been programmed and conditioned since birth by the conspiricists themselves to dismiss out of hand. There are actually not that many websites on the worldwide web that offer this information to the public and I wish every one of them the best of luck despite the petty internal squabbles they all seem to get distracted with from time to time. We provide a public service.

My goal is to see the 99% prevail in my lifetime. I see this site and my participation as part of that effort.

[7alon]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
From the Thread: Anti-Trump Riots Erupt in the Bay Area

Posted by Althena (here)
I grew up there, it's always been brain dead liberals living in the Bay, total waste of flesh.

I just checked back into Avalon after years away. Comments like the one above are why I no longer frequent the site. It is easier to put labels on people and objectify them than to try to understand their perspective. But it is disappointing. Avalon was once a place where people from different backgrounds and with different points of view could come together in pursuit of common goals and to enrich each other. It is no longer that place. Attitudes like the one above appear to be dominant now.

I clearly do not belong here at Avalon any longer, so I will bid you all a final adieu. I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Thank you Bill for your wonderful contributions to the greater body of knowledge.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

While it is disheartening to witness crude posts, I believe most people on this forum provide constructive and friendly discussion. I think you belong in this community. Do not think that the questionable things that have been said/posted are not being seen/recognised by Bill, the moderators or the rest of the community. Leniency goes hand in hand with freedom of speech, but rest assured, I can attest to Bill and the moderators' ability to know when they are giving too much leniency and ability to explain how and why they've dealt with the situation.

[Eram]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Althena's crass, crude, unaware, arrogant, verbally violent, and entirely unintelligent remark about people in the Bay Area does NOT represent the forum or its membership. (I wonder how many Avalon members live there! )


So, this thread has been very useful. The moderators unanimously agree that Althena should go. This has been discussed between us before, but (see above), we never took any action.

Hi Bill,

Perhaps I'm missing some vital information here, but it seems to me that Althena has now been unsubscribed for only one remark that was out of line. A remark that many of us could have made in a moment of carelessness.

What happened to a slap on the wrist and some field trip experience?

I'm no expert on Althena's behavior on this forum, but I know he was active and I can't remember other posts where he was disrespectful to posters or people in general.

I'm a bit puzzled here...

[Tangri]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
From the Thread: Anti-Trump Riots Erupt in the Bay Area

Posted by Althena (here)
I grew up there, it's always been brain dead liberals living in the Bay, total waste of flesh.

I just checked back into Avalon after years away. Comments like the one above are why I no longer frequent the site. It is easier to put labels on people and objectify them than to try to understand their perspective. But it is disappointing. Avalon was once a place where people from different backgrounds and with different points of view could come together in pursuit of common goals and to enrich each other. It is no longer that place. Attitudes like the one above appear to be dominant now.

I clearly do not belong here at Avalon any longer, so I will bid you all a final adieu. I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Thank you Bill for your wonderful contributions to the greater body of knowledge.

May all beings be free from suffering. May all beings be at peace.

You were not alone there for a long time.

In my life I met a lot less intelligent people but rarely met an AU- artificial unintelligent, I thought he was one of them and stay away of him. He have caused lost of few post which could ignited a fire.
My last poster on my wall is raised up with similar reason.

"Having Intellectual-Conceptual, Integrative and Quantitative Abilities is a big handicap, servants and masters with same instinct, do not like this skill is surfing around."