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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

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    "'m not buying the whole abduction story. I think she died in the apartment"

    well, any ideas HOW she died in the appt.?-

    please give us your viewpoint; so IF she died in the appt., HOW?

    please explain and give us your reasoning processes behind this-

    I came to the conclusion a long time ago: the more preposterous, outlandish, crazy, horrific a a concept initially appears to be the more truth there probably is behind it;

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    Having watched all of Richard D Hall's videos on the case, I can tell you that the girl cannot absolutely be accounted for as alive and well from Tuesday of that week onwards. It's almost certain she was signed in to the creche fraudulently for most of the week.

    My current best guess is that she died between Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning. That's 4 days before the alarm was raised.
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    "'m not buying the whole abduction story. I think she died in the apartment"

    well, any ideas HOW she died in the appt.?-

    please give us your viewpoint; so IF she died in the appt., HOW?

    please explain and give us your reasoning processes behind this-

    I came to the conclusion a long time ago: the more preposterous, outlandish, crazy, horrific a a concept initially appears to be the more truth there probably is behind it;

    welcome to the real world-

    be well all-

    Larry
    I believe Kate and Jerry could have gave the child some kind of narcotic to put her to sleep and she either was hit in the head or she fell, died, and they covered it up. Just one theory

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    The gentleman in the video in the OP spoke in absolutes in an attempt to make it sound scientific. It is not, but like an economist, if you develop enough corollaries and theorems you sound scientific and in his words "put food on the table" for his family.

    What happen is anyone's guess given that the Portuguese police did not charge them.

    My one question with the other couples there, what was their testimony?
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    So according to the analysis in the above videos, Madeleine died in the apartment, the parents were involved, and they subsequently hid her body. She may have been drugged and may have experienced excruciating pain.

    What about the Podestas? What would they want with a child who is already deceased, if there are actually involved in this as the police sketches strongly suggest?

    Well I'll leave you with these images. The first of John Podesta and some artwork they keep at the Podesta home, and the second of their Satanic friend Marina Abramovic.






    Notice Lady Gaga in the above photo as well.

    I don't pretend to understand these people or why they do this stuff. I'm just observing their apparent interests, "hidden" in plain sight.

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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    An accidental death in the aprtment, needing to be covered up, does not bring a Tony Blair spin doctor, Clarence Mitchell, flying out to take control of the situation. The very same guy who was one of the first on the scene of Jill Dando's murder.

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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    Quote Posted by Cardillac (here)
    @Jantje

    "'m not buying the whole abduction story. I think she died in the apartment"

    well, any ideas HOW she died in the appt.?-

    please give us your viewpoint; so IF she died in the appt., HOW?

    please explain and give us your reasoning processes behind this-

    I came to the conclusion a long time ago: the more preposterous, outlandish, crazy, horrific a a concept initially appears to be the more truth there probably is behind it;

    welcome to the real world-

    be well all-

    Larry
    Hi Larry,
    I think the theory that Peter Hyatt came up with is very much plausible. The McCanns gave Madeleine something that should have put her to sleep, so they could go out and have dinner wihout being interrupted. Madeleine somehow had an unfortunate accident that killed her. The parents covered it up out of fear that either :
    a. The other children would be taken away from the McCanns or
    b. The police might find out that Madeleine was abused. which would have consequences as well.

    I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that the McCanns are hiding something

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    Norman, one wrong assumption beliow: you think the catholic priest would have told the McCann they would not be forgiven unless they told the authorities what truly happened (presumably murder).

    In the catholic faith, a priest can give forgiveness in the name of God although they will usually refer to the grace of God himself without giving forgiveness if the sin is major, such as murder.

    They may incite the person to report to authorities but would probably never make it conditional to God forgiveness since God clemency and authorities work are unrelated in a catholic mind frame.

    Furthermore, a priest is tight with the secrecy of confession, like a lawyer would be for its clients. However, in North America, this secrecy vow and commitment may be overturned by a judge (but rarely is). I doubt very much that in a profoundly carholic country, like Portugal or Spain, i doubt that a judge could or would ever ask a priest to brake his confession secrecy vows.

    Now, it is also quite plausible that those taking care of the church (priest or others) gave a key for those in pain to prey quietly and alone. This is not unusual at all, all in good faith.

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    Listening to an early interview with Janet and Brian Kennedy, Kate McCanns’s aunt and uncle, a helpful priest was mentioned.

    The name of the Anglican priest was David…. David? I didn’t remember a David. What I did recall was Father Pacheco, who gave the McCanns the keys to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Luz, most known as the PdL Church, and supposedly left a broken man, weighed down by the burden of Kate’s confession.

    Then there was Haynes Hubbard and his wife, who arrived soon after Madeleine's disappearance, befriended the McCanns; to whom they returned the said keys.

    I also remembered Paul Seddon, the Catholic priest who married the McCanns; an old golfing pal of Gerry. He was the priest Kate called on the night that Madeleine went missing. They spoke to him on the phone, according to an interview with The Tablet on June 16th, 2007.

    It was in this interview the name of Father Pacheco is cleverly linked with Seddon’s name. They talked of him saying the rosary with them a later date; then, the article adds “The Parish Priest also gave the McCanns the keys to the Church so that they could pray there alone in the evenings.”

    You see, it doesn’t say it was Father Pacheco, but it certainly implies it was to any reader. Father Pacheco’s statement of Oct 30th. 2007. gives a mixed message: “He (Father Pacheco) gave them the key to the church on the 7th or 8th of May, on the suggestion of John Geraghty, a resident of the parish, so that they could go calmly to church without any pressure. Someone from the Church gave the key to John Geraghty, who then passed it onto the McCanns with Father Pacheco’s permission.”

    He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned. However, Father Pacheco later denied that he had made any decision to hand the keys to the McCanns. In an article dated Dec 13th, 2007, by Cecilia Pires, for The Algarve Resident, she writes: Father Pacheco ensures that “Priest have no power to order anything in our churches. We have an entity for that, which is the Conselho Pastoral, where the catholic community is represented…………….With regards to the key to the Praia da Luz Church that the McCanns were given after Madeleine went missing…..”That was a decision made by the Conselho Pastoral and I only knew about it three days later "”

    How many people were members of the Conselho Pastoral and how many were required to make this decision? Could it be that only one person made this decision?

    David seems to have been airbrushed from history, often a sign that something interesting lurks.

    The Reverend David W Heal was the priest at St Vincent’s; the Anglican name of the same church which was shared with the Catholic congregation.

    According to reports in Correio da Manhã, Sep 19th, 2009: “The keys to the Church , which members of the parish decided to lend to the couple a few days after Madeleine’s disappearance…. were returned to the Anglican priest…who befriended the couple". However, Hubbard‘s comment on the returning of the keys was ambiguous “I agree that the parish decided to lend them the church keys” . He didn’t reveal it was to him that the couple returned the keys.”

    The McCanns were reported to have handed the keys over without saying goodbye to Father Pacheco, so it certainly wasn’t him they were returned to. Even so, Father Pacheco seems to have been severely chastised by his superiors.

    He denied taking confessions from the McCanns in his statement, so perhaps he left feeling used and abused. It’s hard to believe any burden he may have carried came from the unlikely event of confessions, but there may have been other reasons.

    From what I know of the Catholic Faith, I’m certain that Kate would not have confessed to Father Pacheco. He would have told her that she could not be forgiven unless she confessed what had happened to the authorities.

    Confession would have brought risk, not forgiveness. A few Hail Mary’s or a decade on the rosary would not be enough!

    Unless she wanted to compromise him.

    Russell O’Brian, in his rogatory interview, refers to David Priest -a comma between the words is required- and explains why David’s number, beginning 914, is on his mobile phone, immediately after that of Robert Murat.

    It seems David, therefore, was the most likely person to have sought the agreement of the Conselho Pastoral. Was it also not more likely that the keys had passed between Geraghty and Heal? Fiona Payne and Rachael Mampilly/Oldfield comment on the perceived strangeness of Kate’s desperate need to speak to a priest in the midst of this maelstrom and seek to explain it in a vague manner.

    It seems that concerns were expressed that the McCanns had called the media and a priest before they contacted the police. El Pais in Dec 07 “For the police, the most surprising thing was that the first concern of the parents was to alert the press before the police themselves. They were also struck by the fact that Kate asked the Ocean Club reception for the village priest’s telephone number.”

    Why would they do that?

    The following article in First Magazine (with thanks to Pamalan’s site) throws a very interesting spotlight on the involvement of David Heal: “With every squeeze of her daughter’s Cuddle Cat, anguished mother Kate McCann willed her little daughter home. Priest’s wife, Pam Heal helped Kate and Gerry through the early, terrifying hours of Madeleine’s disappearance…. “Someone’s taken Madeleine, someone’s taken Madeleine” she wailed over and over again, said Pam. Kate kept playing with the toy. She said Madeleine had definitely been taken from them because she would never go anywhere without her favourite toy. The night Madeleine disappeared, Kate and Gerry telephoned the local Anglican priest, Father David Heal, asking him to visit them at their apartment…..When he arrived with his wife, 38 year old Kate threw herself into the priest’s arms as she broke down. It took him 3 hours to comfort Kate.

    There are no statements from the Heals in the available PJ files, in spite of their KEY roles in the early hours of Madeleine’s disappearance.

    References to the Heals’ involvement refer to the McCanns contacting them on Friday. The Mail, on Sunday reports Reverend Heal was called to meet the McCann family on Friday.”

    Well, that would be partly true, if the Heals had arrived around 10 p.m. and had remained at the apartment for 3 hours. None of the T9 mentions the Heals’ visit in their interviews and they quickly disappear from the media radar.

    Father Heal did continue to conduct services at St Vincent’s, although one report suggests that he may have been leaving the next day.

    During a service held later in the week Father Heal’s sermon included the following observations “Whatever happens today, whatever happens tomorrow, whatever happens in the days ahead, after this week, life will never be the same again……. We have all been changed and we have all been changed forever.” (Mail on Sunday)

    Thanks to The Maddie Case File for newspaper archives. References refer to key and keys. I don’t know if there was more than one.



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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

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    An accidental death in the aprtment, needing to be covered up, does not bring a Tony Blair spin doctor, Clarence Mitchell, flying out to take control of the situation. The very same guy who was one of the first on the scene of Jill Dando's murder.

    http://www.whale.to/c/tony_blair6.html

    This is the elephant in the room that people seem to be blind to.

    In my estimation, this was not a normal group of holiday makers having a break in the sun with their kids. Something very odd was going on there all week.

    If the Podestas really were the guys in the police sketches, they were probably just the fixers at the end of a crisis meeting to decide how to deal with something that had gone badly wrong.

    I've been searching for photos of the other children with that group but the web seems to have been swept of them. I once saw a photo of another girl in that group who looked very similar to maddy, I mean creepily so. Are we looking at some kind of genetic/cloning conference/evaluation meeting where something was done early in the week that ended up with the fatality they then had to deal with?

    Something very special was going on, hence the activation of the UKs heavy hitters. I mean VERY. Think of it as being on the same level as the possibility that the royal babies were not produced by normal means and the mother was never actually pregnant, kind of special.

    edit:

    Perhaps Kate McCann had a wobble and went off script. Perhaps reporting a missing child was her idea at the last moment because she was scared and confused. THAT would certainly have got the big boys in a panic.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    An accidental death in the aprtment, needing to be covered up, does not bring a Tony Blair spin doctor, Clarence Mitchell, flying out to take control of the situation. The very same guy who was one of the first on the scene of Jill Dando's murder.

    http://www.whale.to/c/tony_blair6.html
    Interesting !
    It seems that Clarence Mitchell was paid with government funding as well. He might just be an opportunist though.
    He owns a communications consultancy company now. He got his name out there and some air time as well.

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    An accidental death in the aprtment, needing to be covered up, does not bring a Tony Blair spin doctor, Clarence Mitchell, flying out to take control of the situation. The very same guy who was one of the first on the scene of Jill Dando's murder.

    http://www.whale.to/c/tony_blair6.html
    Interesting !
    It seems that Clarence Mitchell was paid with government funding as well. He might just be an opportunist though.
    He owns a communications consultancy company now. He got his name out there and some air time as well.
    Clarence Mitchel is almost certainly a British intelligence asset. Put that in the mix.
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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    Well he is definitely on the McCann's side and he seems to tell lies a lot. Question remains why? and also why him of all people ?
    There has to be a reason for it.

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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    What I've found very disconcerting from the beginning, was the type of pictures that were released. The major part of them does not show a healthy, lively and happy kid expressing herself naturally, imo. I see widened eyes, a stiff look, an artificial exerted grin, grimaces (the programmed happy-lucky face?)

    The second picture in particular - which circulated in the media so extensively that it has become something like an icon for the Maddie McCann-case - reminds me in an alarming way more of a puppet, a (sex)-toy than of some parents beloved little child. It always made me think: there's a kid yelling for help, without a sound. I'd be more than relieved if I were wrong.








    Then there are the strange pictures of the girl in the following video (produced by Madeleine’s godfather, Jon Corner, and released on 1 May 2010) at 1:11, 1:14 and 1:20.



    Mark William-Thomas, British investigative journalist, commented on the pictures in an article in The Independent:
    (quoted here: http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12...the-last-photo)

    “In my view, which is of course completely out of step with the mainstream thinking on these issues, a child wearing make-up, or adult clothes certainly does not in itself constitute a pornographic or inappropriate image. However, if a fully clothed child standing in a street can be considered material of interest for a paedophile, then photographs of this nature should certainly fall within the same category. I am male, and like practically every other male that I have socialised with since from the age of about 6, to a greater or lesser we have all been exposed to pornography. I'm not great fan of pornography, nor have I been exposed to a great deal, but I could certainly give you a pretty good description of the stereotypical images that the producers of this product tend to use. It's a definite genre, with a definite style, camera angles, lighting, model poses etc.

    I know what picture of a child playing looks like, my parents have albums of pictures of my sister as a child playing with make-up, dressing up. I also understand when I'm seeing the deliberate sexualisation of a child. I also know which end of that spectrum that those images lie.

    I've previously critisised people for expressing these sorts of views, but when you see the three Madeleine pictures in that video in close succession you start asking: what's the probability that this is just some sort of accidental pose? I really don't like the answer.

    I'm not a photographer, nor a film maker, nor actively involved in the media, and so if I can pick up on these references, then Jon Corner [who produced the latest Madeleine video] most certainly can”.


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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    Such a mystery. I found the update in this thread very useful. We don't have all the dots in one place yet. Focusing on evidence of McCann deception is one of many threads to pull. And if you will forgive me mixed-metaphors I'm going to do just that ...pull in a post from another thread here :

    The Sir Clement Freud connection comes into focus when reading normans post (and thread) here (link to pertinent post)

    Here is an extract:

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Madeleine McCann
    ...

    One of our FBI insiders can confirmed the Intelligence community indicates John and Tony Podesta were in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007– the day Madaline McCann vanished.

    The Podesta brothers were staying with a friend named “Clem” . Clement Freud, the grandson of psychopathology sex expert Dr. Sigmund Freud, who was known to be a pedophile. This is a quote from our insider: [B]“Of greater interest is that fact that Freud owned a villa in Praia da Luz.”

    ...

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    Quote Posted by Jantje (here)
    This is a very important update in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann imo.
    Richard Hall meets Peter Hyatt, who is an expert in statement analysis and take a look at the embedded confessions of the McCanns. reccomended for people that follow this ongoing investigation





    Wow. This guy Hyatt is a sharp cookie. His expositions on how we deceive have given me a new-found appreciation for this subject area. I had no idea this was such a huge area of expertise.

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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    @Jantje

    yes, I agree with you totally- the McCanns are hiding something- something huge-

    stay well-

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    They discuss the topic and the innuendo and possible hidden meanings
    and much more .....They also touch on the possible Podesta/McCann speculation.

    Monarch Survivor Jay Parker On #Pizzagate, Podesta Emails & Washington Paedophile Rings



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    Default Re: What happened to Madeleine McCann?

    Thanks for posting, I think I'll be looking into Statement Analysis some more - a very useful tool.

    I'd like to see an analysis done on Dr David Payne's statement, in fact all of the Tapas 7 but his in particular stood out to me as being odd. When describing the last time he saw Madeleine & her siblings he stated that they looked like angels, were wearing white & appeared to be at peace or peaceful. I personally would not use the word peaceful to describe a group of young children. A more normal description would be something like they were playing nicely together, they were watching TV quietly etc.
    When he says she looked like an Angel and was at peace it sounds more like he is describing a dead child.
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    The work done by Hyatt's interviewer Richard Hall in particular convinces me that none of the popular media is for information gathering. None of it.

    It is all fantasy and perception management.

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    Peter is having a live q&a this evening at 5pm est.

    http://statement-analysis.blogspot.c...ccann.html?m=1

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    If anyone is interested in all the investigations, as well as all the little ins and outs of the Madeline McCann case, besides Peter Hyatt and his statement analysis blog, I would check out the daily profiler, Pat Browns blog.

    Like Hyatt, i just straight up cannot put up with certain biases she (brown) holds (which of course she says she doesn't have any bias, like everyone who does lol) so with that, you'll have to pick and choose what's relevant. She did a lot of research and Investigating the McCanns, even going to Portugal.... Reenacting the whole evening Maddie disappeared. She also was sued by the McCanns.

    http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co...-case.html?m=1

    Most recent McCann entry

    http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co...blish.html?m=1
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