Fruitarianism/Breatharianism/Initiation into Higher consciousness (NOT FOR THE WEAK!)

[Ventana]

That's interesting...my Irish/English mother raised us with very proper table manners and people used to comment on how "daintily" I ate my food, in the school cafeteria for example. And I ate slowly because my mother, again, insisted that we eat "properly." We always set a nice table with forks on one side, knives on the other, etc. We are all more casual now but growing up it used to bug me when people would comment on how slowly I ate. I got over it and having to eat lunches on the fly at work I probably eat faster now then is healthy. But I have always enjoyed sharing meals with others and the communal feeling it imparts.

[Ventana]

it is different for drinks.

a.[/QUOTE]

You know what they say about drinking alone

[annemirri]

Posted by Ventana (here)
Cook healthy food for your kids and keep 'em active in sports or some other activity.

When my own children were babies (now 14 and 16)
I noticed that they were growing quite well although they were not eating as much as I wanted them to.

There are many scientific studies of premature human babies, and animal babies,
that won't grow no matter how good the nutrition contents of their food may be
if they do not get any love, comfort, skin contact.

(my babies were really fat, people literally laughed at them,
although I was only breastfeeding them ! but babyfat is good for IQ and nerve development!)

a.

[annemirri]

Posted by Ventana (here)

You know what they say about drinking alone

I always got some company, pretty girl...

and as we have nothing other than plasters in our medicine cabinet,
for my joint (nerve) pain I take a small glass of wine a few times of week.

and for really bad pain the best medicine is a small glass of good quality cognac.

(nature's medicine is much better than synthetic ones )

( my body cannot take any other kind of alcohol, no mixtures, only the best and cleanest for me....)

a.

[Ventana]

Posted by annemirri (here)
When my own children were babies (now 14 and 16)
I noticed that they were growing quite well although they were not eating as much as I wanted them to.

There are many scientific studies of premature human babies, and animal babies,
that won't grow no matter how good the nutrition contents of their food may be
if they do not get any love, comfort, skin contact.

(my babies were really fat, people literally laughed at them,
although I was only breastfeeding them ! but babyfat is good for IQ and nerve development!)

a.

Your absolutely right! Just goes to show that our health is dependent on much more than simply what we eat.

[Ventana]

"and as we have nothing other than plasters in our medicine cabinet,
for my joint (nerve) pain I take a small glass of wine a few times of week.

and for really bad pain the best medicine is a small glass of good quality cognac."

I take it by "plasters" you are referring to what we call bandaids in the US? On another note, I like some Kahlua or Tia Maria with milk to induce sleep on occasion. Works like a charm, though I rarely need help getting to sleep, thankfully.

[annemirri]

Posted by Ventana (here)
I take it by "plasters" you are referring to what we call bandaids in the US? On another note, I like some Kahlua or Tia Maria with milk to induce sleep on occasion. Works like a charm, though I rarely need help getting to sleep, thankfully.

yep, I am learning to use english words instead of american ones, bandaids are plasters.

a.

[lightblue]

graybeard
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.

and then:

Posted by kriya (here)
So did Ramakrishna, it was the only thing that brought him back down from cosmic consciousness.

Love,

Kriya

sorry to but in...plus i feel i shouldn't be here as i am weak..but the above post is a BLAST !!

imagine that being written as warning on every packet of cigarettes - MAY BRING YOU BACK FROM COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS


what is going on here?

[Ailée]

Hey lightblue,

Don't know if it's a genuine question but, how this translates to me is that eating and, more generally, "earthly" things such as alcohol and cigarettes, are all ways of grounding the body, whether by virtue of their intrinsic healing/nurturing values or because of their 3D "density" tone (which includes the positive relation to the "substance").

I can relate.

My take

[lightblue]

hi ailee

do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?

earlier on graybeard worte this:

or the enlightened ones eating or not eating isn't an issue, very often they have to be reminded to look after the body.
They are fully aware that they are not the body.

They advise that all belief systems, without exception, must go, also the thought that I am the doer.
As long as there is a "me" choosing to eat or not eat this or that then consciousness is not fully evolved.

Eckhart Tolle joked about having to wear a baseball cap to go into Starbucks for coffee as a "disguise".
People kept saying to him "You wrote a spiritual book you shouldn't be drinking coffee"
Coffee is supposed to lower the consciousness -- so many stories.
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.
My one time partner and I spent a fortune on raw food and diet plans and the author of the diets maintained it was a way to enlightenment, he also recommended the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. We both stuck to the diet for many many month and it was enjoyable but raising consciousness -- who knows.
What ever works but I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

Regards
Chris

Quote Originally Posted by greybeard View Post
Many animals would not have the chance of life it was not for the meat industry, lets face it, farmers would not breed animals if they could not sell them. It may well be that the animal evolves to a higher life form after death.

and a little while before this he's on about how the meat industry helps animals evolve as souls faster than they'd be if there weren't for the slaughter houses..are we to assume that wars are great as they help human souls evolve faster??? i am lost for words..some other authors are on about their diets, someone wrote about his/her coffee drinking habit...yeah, just what is going on here?


i agree with the warning in brackets (title of this thread)... you do need a strong stomach to digest some of the things written here..

sorry, i am out of here..


best wishes l .

[Ailée]

Well, I see your point, and it's interesting what crystallization we each form from the fragments that compose a thread.

I do not think that there is a method to achieve cosmic consciousness (not going into what we mean by that) but that there are indeed processes, techniques, habits, disciplines, tools, ways, searches, ... etc ... that allow one to take that road.

Now regarding meat industry, here is another viewpoint of the entire post including this passage. That in whatever form, each and every "living" lifeform that is expressed on this planet has somehow agreed to, chosen to. Whether to assist humans in their being (not entirely my cup of tea) or just as another manifestation of the Earth's consciousness (or, just consciousness). In the relationship of respect to these other beings that is a way of life in some cutlures, is implied a reciprocity or terms of interaction that could take many forms.

Just to say, I do not see this following into a defense of any form in particular, thus not promoting war over another means, since

I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

I also want to say that my contribution was more related to kriya's post

So did Ramakrishna, it was the only thing that brought him back down from cosmic consciousness.

ie about it being non paradoxical (or self-contradicting or "unbelievable" - lol) that a quote master would "indulge" (as it may be seen as a very deliberate, responsible, preferential choice) in a quote bad substance.

About the way "back" rather than the way "to".

That being said, I see your point and I can't but contemplate, amazed, the dance of weighs different trends form meeting one another.

And I appreciate your standing for a grounded claim to responsibility. That, to me, is part of both the way to and the way back.




Edit to ad :

I forgot to mention that, in line with what comes out of the original topic, if the idea itself of needing to eat - and particularly the way it is being played out in the darwinian mainstream conception of human evolution - is a construct that buries the connection to higher self or whatever cosmic consciousness you will, it is assumed that breatharianism, even fruitarianism, integrate in their very "practice" (who you become/regain through that process and from that process) the peaceful wisdom of no kill existing.

That was more to come back to the thread. What I really wanted to say in reply to your "chock" in what you were pointing, is that something makes sense to me in the idea of slaughtering, hunting as in killing, and even hunting as in living - the way we came to feed ourselves being the result of an imprisonment construct on the whole biosphere

[Kikine]

One important thing we have to remember is that nearly all the food we have now is ''poisoned'' in a sense. It is hard to find real food that has no chemicals in it except if you grow it yourself. Again, you have to think about the seed , where they come from etc. I think the word in english is wheat (in french blé) but an example I could give is that the wheat from 2009 and 2008 is supposely toxic because of the weather etc. They shouldnt be eaten but everybody use it. Thanks I know someone who still has reserve from 2007. Anyway, also, about deceases, people might want to look at the acid/alcalin thing. Many are acid because the food we eat is acid. Most food from the stores are acid. People should try to be more alkalin, i saw results from people i know. Look up on internet what food is acid and what is alkalin. doing your own milk is also better ( im talking of sesame mils or almond milk etc) The water we drink isnt better(tap water). What they do for the filtration is putting chemicals in it to remove virus etc. After that its too acid so they have to put back other chemicals to make it around 7 ph. Moreover, I am sure people can be breatharian but I think you really have to be in control of yourself to be able to do that. Today, people loose energy just by being angry or stressed etc. You have to be sure to take energies somewhere lol. I guess people should try different things and see what works for them cause we have different reactions and are at different stages. But it is always better to do your own food or to take it from a farm etc. ( i hope i didnt write too bad, sry its my french )

ps; oh and i think that that kind of ''poisoning'' could have an effect or block us spiritually or with our consciousness, in my opinion.

[Fruitman]

Posted by lightblue (here)
hi ailee

do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?

earlier on graybeard worte this:






and a little while before this he's on about how the meat industry helps animals evolve as souls faster than they'd be if there weren't for the slaughter houses..are we to assume that wars are great as they help human souls evolve faster??? i am lost for words..some other authors are on about their diets, someone wrote about his/her coffee drinking habit...yeah, just what is going on here?


i agree with the warning in brackets (title of this thread)... you do need a strong stomach to digest some of the things written here..

sorry, i am out of here..


best wishes l .

See, you get it. Youre wise to see what kind "super intellects" come out when they hear this information.

As I said, fruit is nothing but a nicotine patch, in my opinion, to ease one off of a lifetime of cooked food addiction.

If one wants to say otherwise, fine, then this thread isnt for you its for someone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921

It's funny how quick people change when situations change. What people say they know and what they REALLY know become clearer, I can say, when one consumes only fruit for a time. Theres only one way to find out if theres any validity to that last sentence. If you dont want to, its cool. No one is going to force anyone, so there shouldnt be anything to defend.

Some people are on a death wish with food, as Jericho Sunfire has repeatedly said. For those, I wouldnt recommend it. Some people wanna talk about their kids, coffee, some yogi smoking, animals here to serve us, etc... thats fine, this thread's not for you.

For people who dont REALLY want to do cleansing I wouldnt recommend it. For those doing it, I would strongly recommend physical strength training exercises/isometrics, meditation, and qi gong/dancing/some form of free movement. Putting the body into this cycle makes transitioning to fruitarianism "and beyond" a little easier. In fact, it makes it beautiful.

[kriya]

Posted by lightblue (here)
[SIZE="3"]hi ailee
do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?

Yes its called meditation and service to others. Just because some ideas threaten your worldview, doesn't make them false.

love,

Kriya

[annemirri]

Posted by Ailée (here)
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how this translates to me is that eating and, more generally, "earthly" things such as alcohol and cigarettes, are all ways of grounding the body, whether by virtue of their intrinsic healing/nurturing values or because of their 3D "density" tone (which includes the positive relation to the "substance").

I very much doubt that cigarettes or smoking can ground one,
but poison the physical body,

if not talking the native american indians who used smoking
as a way of harmonising the mind/body, form of meditation. (I remember my own father relaxing, becoming more gentle with his words when filling his pipe and smoking it, and it was just basic tobacco.)

And there are many kind of alcohols...poisons (mixtures, many beers)
and those which are aged with time and care, or basic good wine made out of nutrious rich grapes.

Many times I have myself used eating as a way to ground myself,
as we are here to live in three dimensional word.(at least for a few more years)

I have noticed that many vegetarian women have to "ground "them selves by eating more fat or protein rich food before their menstrual cycles, be more in their "animal body."

a.

[annemirri]

Posted by Fruitman (here)

For people who dont REALLY want to do cleansing I wouldnt recommend it.

For those doing it, I would strongly recommend physical strength training exercises/isometrics, meditation, and qi gong/dancing/some form of free movement.

Putting the body into this cycle makes transitioning to fruitarianism "and beyond" a little easier. In fact, it makes it beautiful.

The one thing that you may not get,

that for some it is just a body.

Their mind and souls are clear and bright enough to live or reside in any kind of bodies,
nourished with any kind of food,
and still their their conciousness is far more than those punishing their physical bodies.

a.

[Swami]

Posted by realitycorrodes (here)
Those who know will know what I am talking about. Each to their own belief system. If you were to understand you would have understood already...seems like you have realised more than me.lol There was a man in a city whose water got poisoned. This man never drank the water and could see how different everyone was while drinking poisoned water. Everyone else thought he was crazy - only cos he did not drink the poisoned water and did not change like the others. No matter what he said they could not understand him....they just thought he was crazy! C'est la vie! I don't have the time or the inclination...find someone at your level to play with...maybe a master. lol

Question is: HOW did that water get poisoned......??

[greybeard]

I accept that virtually any practice that requires disciplining the mind will lead to a higher state of consciousness including Fruitariaism- breatharisinism but to Enlightenment no. Higher states of consciousness come and go and are therefore not it.
No concept will show you the Truth of what you are.
Every enlightened sage since time began has spoke of the same path to enlightenment and that the only place that God can be found is through subjective internal experience. Then you will know the truth of "The Father and I are One", all the rest is concept and talking about it. To know it, you are it.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel nor is there any lasting benefit from new ways.
Eat healthy, discipline the mind but realize that, the body is temporary the soul permanent.
Chris
Namaste

[HORIZONS]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I accept that virtually any practice that requires disciplining the mind will lead to a higher state of consciousness including Fruitariaism- breatharisinism but to Enlightenment no. Higher states of consciousness come and go and are therefore not it.
No concept will show you the Truth of what you are.
Every enlightened sage since time began has spoke of the same path to enlightenment and that the only place that God can be found is through subjective internal experience. Then you will know the truth of "The Father and I are One", all the rest is concept and talking about it. To know it, you are it.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel nor is there any lasting benefit from new ways.
Eat healthy, discipline the mind but realize that, the body is temporary the soul permanent.
Chris
Namaste

That is a wise distinction to point out that a higher state of consciousness and enlightenment are not the same thing. I have experienced the ebb and flow of higher states of consciousness but I do not consider that I have ever been an "enlightened one". If I were enlightened then if you see me you would see the Father and that aint so - yet :-) -but if you/me were enlightened you/me would see the Father in everyone and all conflict would be overcome.

[annemirri]

Posted by Swami (here)
Question is: HOW did that water get poisoned......??

I don't care how none eco thing, or how expensive,
it is to buy bottled high quality spring water in dangerous plastic bottles,

but I cannot drink tap water, not at least in our house,

it smells like the water in the swimming pools.

Some people can smell it, some cannot, those who cannot smell it are fine drinking it,

and it is the same with food, if you think that it is not good for you,
and you eat it anyway, it makes you feel bad.

-the spiritually highest water is so called drill hole water,
a hole is drilled through the granite rocks to get the pristine water.

(the granite helps to ground higher energies, )

and where you get that water, Finland of course.

a.