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    Default Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I'm a little worried about starting this thread as I feel it will become a descent into madness, argument and silly rhetoric. But here goes...

    I wonder if through the time we have all spent researching alternative history, conspiracy theory and the great unknown, if any of us have completely changed our beliefs.

    Here are some examples I made up for the sake of this discussion.

    1. Believed in a deity/religion and after research decided the deity and the religion were just false.

    2. Didn't believe in deities/religions but after research found a new belief and have stuck with it.

    3. Believed in the theory that 9/11 was an inside job and now believe in the official story.

    4. Believed that the 9/11 twin towers/building 7 falling was a controlled demolition but now believe it was the fault of the planes hitting the towers.

    5. Subscribed to the beliefs of a new age movement and now see it as a total hoax and a complete lie.

    6. Believed the pyramids were built by someone other than the Egyptians but now accept that the Egyptians built them.

    These are merely examples and I don't want to see or start discussions on any of the examples above. There are hundreds of other threads to offer your support or challenge. I would rather hear YOUR examples and PLEAD with anyone who chooses to respond to this thread to only respond with examples of your own.

    IF THE PURPOSE OF YOUR RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD IS TO CHALLENGE SOMEONE ELSE'S CONCLUSIONS THAN PLEASE DON'T RESPOND AT ALL.

    I am looking forward to hearing how others thought processes have changed over the time we have all spent learning...

    Looking forward to hearing your experiences...

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I would say yes to 1 and 5 repeatedly. Probably at first Neo-Paganism until I realized it was mostly "Neo" and had no legitimate continuity from its supposed origins. So I figured I would join the pack and was some kind of Christian for about a year or so, which also did not withstand scrutiny. Eventually hit a period of the "everyone is right" New Age kind of stuff and that disintegrated similarly, although it took a lot longer.

    I would surmise that most people don't "convert" or metamorphose a whole lot; I personally have. But not really with physical things such as 9/11, because I always took them with a grain of salt.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Well, I had hoped to see this thread get a couple of responses.

    I will offer up an example of my own beliefs taking a 180 degree turn. But after that I have to get some sleep. I will keep checking back.

    I have been skeptical of the events on 9/11 from the beginning and remain skeptical concerning the official story. But I have learned enough to feel I no longer need to question what caused the 2 towers and building 7 to fall. I had been a believer of the theory that these were controlled demolitions for over a decade. I now no longer feel the need to question whether the fires and explosive force of whatever struck the world trade center towers 1 and 2, were enough to bring the 2 towers down. The laws of physics and engineering were all in play that day and everything (for the most part) played out exactly as one should have expected.

    Here is a brief summary of what has changed my mind regarding this specific portion of the 9/11 mystery.

    1. The towers did not fall at free fall speed. They fell at much slower than free fall speed. In most conspiracy videos we do not see the full video of the towers falling. It took the towers closer to 25 seconds to fall which is significantly slower than free fall. Building 7 did not fall at free fall speed either. Think about all those videos you have seen where debris is raining down around the towers as the collapse occurs...this is evidence that the debris is free falling FASTER than the towers themselves. The 9/11 Commission Report stated that one of the towers falls in 10 seconds. Problem is the 9/11 CR is not a technical document, it deals with emergency crew responses and government responses, the events leading up to that date and the subsequent responses. The NIST report is the technical document and it contains seismic readings that show the towers fell in approximately 15-25 seconds which is WAY slower than free fall.

    2. The force of the impact and explosion WOULD have been enough to weaken the structure on the floors most closely affected by the impact and explosion. This is not disputed by anyone with enough common sense to understand that if I took a gun and shot you in your thigh, the affected leg would be weakened. It's actually pretty amazing that the 2 towers took such massive hits from fuel laden planes and merely shrugged at first. Amazing engineering.

    3. The fires on those floors (affected by the blast) would have easily burned hot enough to weaken the metal and cause structural failure. Anyone who has heated and bent steel in a kiln or with a welding torch will understand that metal can be bent easily (like a wet noodle) if heated enough. Anyone with enough experience will know this occurs long before the melting point is reached. You can bend a steel bar with your pinkie finger if it hot enough. How hot does steel have to be to bend with tens of thousands of tons of weight pushing down on it?

    4. How could a building rigged with explosives have not been affected by multiple massive chained explosions (secondary to the impact and jet fuel explosions) set off by the initial impact? If this is not common sense to you then ask yourself, how could 2 big planes crashing at a tilt into the side of a building have avoided setting off the charges which must have been planted throughout the building?

    5. If the buildings were rigged with explosives by a demo crew why did they not fall inward on themselves and from the bottom down as most professional detonations would have been planned.

    6. Why were buildings as far away as 3 blocks from the collapse damaged by the falling shrapnel ? Controlled demolitions rarely affect such a wide radius. Many other buildings (including buidling 7) were leveled as a result of the collateral damage from the collapse. This is evidence of an Uncontrolled Collapse and looks nothing like a controlled demolition aside from the fact that there are things falling.

    7. There is not a single recognized scientific analysis of the debris that shows evidence of a controlled demo. The most famous example of a piece of thermite residue is merely speculation and just as closely resembles a burnt chip of paint.

    8. People like to talk about how the buildings were 'dustified'. What else do you think two 100+ story building loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of drywall falling to the ground is going to look like? In the end we see hundreds of thousands of pounds of large chunks NOT dustified lying on the ground.

    9. We can clearly see in dozens of videos that after the collapse there are major sections of the buildings still standing. Go back and watch them! There are sections about 40 stories high that collapse 30 seconds AFTER the initial collapse. This is the crappiest controlled demolition of all time!

    10. BUT THEY FELL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS!!! This is called gravity. It pulls things straight down. What else did you expect them to do?

    11. CRIME SCENE NOT PRESERVED IS EVIDENCE OF A COVERUP. It has been reported and well documented that 100's of FBI agents spent months scouring through the debris. When a plane crashes into the ground the investigators gather up the pieces and load them onto trucks and complete their analysis in a warehouse or laboratory somewhere. This is normal. Investigators would STILL be digging through the rubble if they had just left it there.

    This analysis will surely tick some people off but it is more logical and common sense than some of the other theories out there. I could go on with more common sense and evidence and will do so if you like. But for now, I need to get a little sleep,

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Thanks for your thoughts Shaberon. I too have taken some spiritual turns in my life only to return to my original beliefs. I guess that is more of a 360 degree turn in the end. It felt like two 180 degree turns though.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    1. I sometimes waver but generally think we DID go to the moon.
    2. When you look at the attacks on non pharma medicine, undermining of our food, increasing harmfulness of drugs and vaccines, gmos, fluoridated water, dumbing down etc, you could conclude it is a systematic coordinated attack on human survival. I do , most of the time. Occasionally I waver, and wonder if it is just common or garden corruption and corporate greed with no actual strategy behind it.
    3. when you look at all the destabilisation and war mongering, you may think it is a coordinated strategy to bring about a major war, and mass depopulation. Occasionally I wonder whether in human affairs, the destructive actions acquire a kind of momentum of their own, due to the corruption and cronyism within the establishment, and it is not deliberate, just harder to step off the path and change direction.
    4. When communing with something higher, one can rationalise it, construct a model of what is going on, what type of process, entities etc. Alternatively, one can recognise that as an intellectual distraction, and instead concentrate on the vibrational quality of the interaction, how inspirational and healing it is, what long term effects one notices etc.
    5. when looking at the 'process' of life, one can focus on challenges, problems both individually and collectively, or one can recognise the perfection within the process, and that there is really no wrong step...
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Well tptw had a lot of secrets from the time of the gov/church/people chose murderer over prince of peace. All to hide who the real scattered Hebrews were and where, other universal beings existance, the celestial alignment of destruction/cleansing/purification periods, usury and debt enslavement by siphoning more than interests off accts.
    Tsk, tsk, tsk, unfortunately for them, we have found them out, spread the word and working on it.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Having been raised in a narrowminded religious environment I believed the entire package until believing as I did caused a complete crashup in my life! A turn around...I'll say!! Watching Bill & Kerry's videos was the beginning of the turn around & lately, Robert Stanley has been connecting the dots for me in a Big Way!! His views on things really help one to understand what is going on in the Bigger Picture & what our place is IN it!

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I began my journey into the rabbit hole about 11 years ago, when I first came across the reptilian agenda I did not believe it. I actually would dismiss information about it that was passed along to me...that all changed once I came across one David icke's books. Once I found out for myself I immediately began to see evidence around me. It's like a had blinders that were removed from me. I started my conspiracy research looking into false flags,the federal reserve etc...never made the trip to the metaphysical side until I got that book. I am forever grateful that I came across that information. I am now into yoga, clean eating,meditation and made new friends in local MUFON chapters. It was fate I believe that I came across that book.
    If it vibrates.....it's an illusion

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    The Law of One stuff opened my eyes to the fallacy of organized religion. Not that I was overly religious. Everything I have learned since then has reinforced this.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I figure anybody who is capable of having an open mind and hearing new ideas will have a tendency to hear something, believe it, and then upon further investigation, dismiss it. Changing our minds, it seems to me anyway, is a very positive and healthy sign that we are not so entrenched in our own view of the world that we are incapable of seeing other's perspectives.

    It also seems prudent to take everything with a grain of salt. This could all be a computer simulation after all - we could all be brains in vats. Taking that line of thought, even our own experiences are called into question - which also calls "gnosis" (experiential knowledge) into question. So does that make the search for absolute truth completely pointless?

    I think the search for truth (and meaning) is something we all engage in because it is a drive that we have as thinking creatures. We can get to a point where we realize, in all likelihood, that we cannot really KNOW anything with zero doubt. At this point we may decide to reject everything, like a nihilist, or we may choose to see everything as a grand cosmic play where we continue to play detective and develop our own theories about it all. There is certainly something to be said for pressing the reset button every once in a while and starting anew.

    We all have our own very individual itches in need of scratching. And I do like the concept of many paths, one grand (and inevitable) destination.

    I go through my own cycles of research and mental rest/surrender to the void of uncertainty. When I feel the urge to seek out new information and share thoughts with friends, I come here. Thank you Avalonians!
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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Well it seems my belief systems are reverberating between the systems I had in place, The ones that changed during my more active seekers phase an where I am now.
    Some days I don't know what I believe anymore. When I sit to watch most beliefs I have are very much wishful thinking, or disappointing blaming. Believed in a supreme creator. Gods as expressions of the same force that I AM.

    Looking at how I conduct myself In Life I can't seem to find consistency there either. With stints of adopting lifestyle choices that over the years seem to change just as much. I can't even be sure that one of my current belief systems, "everything is transient and always changing" is why my life unfolds because of that belief or if it's the changing of everything made me adopt the belief system.

    One thing happened after getting involved in reading alternative media, joining new age groups and immersing myself in forums like these. Beliefs were changed, from 10 to 360 degrees and back.

    I could of course just be very compromised by the unseen "evil" forces out there as a loosh generator. Or didn't I believe that any more.
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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I remember like 15 years or so ago when I started reading The Day After Roswell, by Corso. The first half was awesome, then when they started getting into the stuff about aliens and the far side of the moon, it hit that cognitive dissonance threshold and I had to put it down. Since then I've soaked up so much that it wouldn't even present a challenge to me. It all gets filed away as different puzzle pieces that I keep fitting together. Great memory though, of a time when I was just peeling back the onion.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    I have had "niggles" niggling at me for many decades, probably since my teens. I believe it was my intuition trying to break through the programming to which we've all been subjected.

    1. No longer give credence to the Christian religion, or the Christian Science / Science of Mind / Eschatology religion or the New Age belief systems. I hope I have kept the granules of pure truth found in all, but realize it was those granules that attracted me in the first place. I was a rebellious sort and used to say that I chose a religion or belief system because it most closely matched with my sense of truth. Never did I accept the insistence that I adhere to ALL their precepts on pure "faith", especially those that I didn't understand. I see the huge manipulative / mind-control stances taken in all of them.

    2. 9-11 - total US initiated and orchestrated event. Grateful to have witnessed my response and others' responses, as it taught me more about insidious manipulations. Once pointed out to me about the controlled demolitions and other contradictions, I could see the truth (or at least the lies) there. Wondered how others could NOT, though.

    3. Big Pharma (vaccinations / treatments / GMOs / organic food / alternative medicines - been aware of most of this for decades. However, been in denial too, as my actions to support / protect myself didn't ramp up until fairly recently. I guess I just couldn't believe how bad it could be. I remember the 1980's court rulings against the innocent farmers being sued for having GMO seeds BLOWN against their will, onto their properties and being incredulous.

    4. Obama / Hillary & Bill - I saw this set of "fallacies" (probably not the best word) and orchestrations way back when Bill was president, because of my proximity to DC politics and government at the time. Great lessons in how TPTW used manipulations and long-term planning. Was incredulous at the 2004 election campaign and how too many got on board with the overt / covert / insidious mind-control programming. Hope? Change? Racist if you don't vote for him? I mean really, Obama (as no one proven in the national political landscape) gives the 2004 DNC keynote speech, and is elected as president in 2008, and is voted the Nobel Peace Prize BEFORE he takes office. And you're racist if you question or disagree with any part of it. Ummm.

    5. Moon (artificial? landing?), UFO's / Aliens (exist?), Mind Control, Illuminati, Man's origins, and so many other conspiracy theories - I'm so open to reviewing imbedded beliefs, researching, and re-thinking (re-penser - repent) and coming to new conclusions. Constantly amazes me how entrenched some of the past accepted beliefs were. And grateful that in some (hopefully all) cases, I am clear enough to see the inconsistencies and manipulations and act accordingly. I'm surprised once I come to my new understanding, how I could have been deluded for so long. I'm also alert to planted misinformation and it's clearer now than ever before for me to see at least some of the methodologies / patterns being used.

    Some of the information is difficult to read/view and digest as it's very negative and it's challenging to maintain a good and happy perspective when you dive in so deep. Which is another manipulative ploy - to get people to either ignore the info, or to become demoralized so they won't rise up and do anything.

    Thank goodness for Project Camelot / Avalon (Kerry and Bill), David Icke, InfoWars (Alex Jones), Julian Assange and so many others who have made it their life's work and passion to discover and share the truths. Especially for Project Avalon where it feels like people are not only processing the information, but acting on it in very positive and inspiring ways.

    This is a good thread - thanks Karma Ninja for starting it.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Reading the posts above there's a clear pattern of people slowly beginning to believe
    things they previously considered preposterous fiction.

    Like everyone else on this thread, my perspectives have been revolutionised in the last 10 years.

    I now doubt virtually everything i'm told or read. For example:

    (a) Today in the supermarket i found myself doubting the data listed for Fat/Protein/Carbohydrate
    content on products. Why? Because i just know some marketing manager somewhere has
    probably fiddled with the %fat levels on dairy products to make them appealing to consumers.
    And i'm probably correct, product manufactures would be happy to fudge the nutritional info
    listed on products if it promoted sales by even 1%. A couple of weeks ago i was
    reading the nutritional information for pumpkin seeds. It said 2% fat! Is just a load of codswallop.

    (b) I keep wondering if we're all going to get a shock if Trump turns round and attacks Russia.
    I keep wondering if Trump's explicit friendship for Russia is really just a ploy to lull Russia into
    a false sense of security whilst America positions tanks, troops and missiles on Russia's boarders.
    Sources such as Ron Paul and Veterans Today are suggesting Trump is an interventionist (militarily)
    so there's an expectation he'll create new violence in the middle east, and/or sustain current wars.
    (And i can't help but remember that this 'pretending-to-be-friends' scam was played by Hitler on
    Stalin. Hitler charmed Stalin, pretended admiration for him.... Whilst amassing tanks on the Russian
    boarder. And of-course, Germany invaded... and Russia was completely unprepared for the attack.
    It seems to me we're in that same position. USA tanks and troops are again being amassed on the
    Russian border and this deployment continues despite the congenial words from Trump. I can't help
    reflecting, that history tends to repeat itself. Even if Russia is ready, or semi-ready,
    for an attack by USA,... China and Iran will not have prepared for it,
    so Russia would not have the immediate protection of it's allies).

    (c) It seems to me that virtually everyone is a potential scammer or criminal.
    We can't even put our trust in priests and rabbis.
    We now know that there were 4% of priests in Boston molesting children in 2002
    (and probably there's a similar % of paedophile priests throughout the USA & Europe)
    We now know that the vatican bank, actually overseen and administered by high ranking priests,
    administering accounts to launder money, evade tax, fund drug deals and weapons purchases.

    Strewth ! Who can we _really_ trust ?

    (I hope i'm wrong about (b) above)
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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    i was raised up and beeing told to question everything dont belive anything u are beeing told, find your own truth, and sometimes this is not the best advice for your kid special in the normal schools out there - i was kind of a rebellion.

    i bought my first book about alien abduction when i was 15years old (john e mack), the people in the bookstore looked at me with a crazy face but i didnt care, that was in the early 90`s.

    i started digging deeper into the alien/ufo phenomenon aswell into the illuminati theory.

    when 9-11 happened i knew in the moment i saw it live in tv that this was a orchestrated and planed event, i ended up in trouble with a lot of people because the majority wasnt ready to question 9-11 just right after it happened.

    in 2007 ive came across the reptilian shapeshifting theory by david icke and i had a hard time dealing with it, i remember it fascinated me but also scared me and i had moments where i said to myself - "this is just to crazy", i returned back to the information because there is no information that can be to crazy to study, its good to be sceptic but its not good to reject information before you studied it.

    from now i would say that in the time between 2007-2009 was my eye opening moment, in these last days i feel remembered to that time because of the mandela-effect.
    " Loka samasta sukhino bhavantu / May all beings in all worlds be happy and free and may the thoughts, words and actions of my own life contribute in some way to that happiness and to that freedom for all "


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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Humans can be conditioned/persuaded/forced into doing the most horrendous acts against others for money or survival in their field like military or politics. Add
    crime etc., professionals even, that we trust with our lives.

    How can we as humans or hybrids do to change that?

    If advanced aliens over thousands or millions of years did not solve that problem we need to find a way for our own sake. Perhaps the benevolent aliens have found a way.
    Or could all existence be just a matter of survival at all costs everywhere.

    As is thought, there may be no end to space or time, no limit to possibilities. Now that's something to contemplate in your spare time.
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Humans can be conditioned/persuaded/forced into doing the most horrendous acts against others for money or survival in their field like military or politics. Add
    crime etc., professionals even, that we trust with our lives.

    How can we as humans or hybrids do to change that?

    If advanced aliens over thousands or millions of years did not solve that problem we need to find a way for our own sake.
    My theory is: a massive consciousness shift,already begun,will carry us all on the tides of human awakening, which will lead to our collective freedom from suffering and oppression. An inner transformation for all beings is the only way to move into a truly harmonious way of living. The process is not the product of a mental activity.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    This is a pretty wonderful sentiment that describes my own process quite well. I take the approach that I need to study all the voices in the argument. I try to give equal time in my mind to debunking my own beliefs.

    Quote Posted by The Freedom Train (here)
    I figure anybody who is capable of having an open mind and hearing new ideas will have a tendency to hear something, believe it, and then upon further investigation, dismiss it. Changing our minds, it seems to me anyway, is a very positive and healthy sign that we are not so entrenched in our own view of the world that we are incapable of seeing other's perspectives.

    It also seems prudent to take everything with a grain of salt. This could all be a computer simulation after all - we could all be brains in vats. Taking that line of thought, even our own experiences are called into question - which also calls "gnosis" (experiential knowledge) into question. So does that make the search for absolute truth completely pointless?

    I think the search for truth (and meaning) is something we all engage in because it is a drive that we have as thinking creatures. We can get to a point where we realize, in all likelihood, that we cannot really KNOW anything with zero doubt. At this point we may decide to reject everything, like a nihilist, or we may choose to see everything as a grand cosmic play where we continue to play detective and develop our own theories about it all. There is certainly something to be said for pressing the reset button every once in a while and starting anew.

    We all have our own very individual itches in need of scratching. And I do like the concept of many paths, one grand (and inevitable) destination.

    I go through my own cycles of research and mental rest/surrender to the void of uncertainty. When I feel the urge to seek out new information and share thoughts with friends, I come here. Thank you Avalonians!


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    Wonderful reflections. Thanks for sharing!

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    1. I sometimes waver but generally think we DID go to the moon.
    2. When you look at the attacks on non pharma medicine, undermining of our food, increasing harmfulness of drugs and vaccines, gmos, fluoridated water, dumbing down etc, you could conclude it is a systematic coordinated attack on human survival. I do , most of the time. Occasionally I waver, and wonder if it is just common or garden corruption and corporate greed with no actual strategy behind it.
    3. when you look at all the destabilisation and war mongering, you may think it is a coordinated strategy to bring about a major war, and mass depopulation. Occasionally I wonder whether in human affairs, the destructive actions acquire a kind of momentum of their own, due to the corruption and cronyism within the establishment, and it is not deliberate, just harder to step off the path and change direction.
    4. When communing with something higher, one can rationalise it, construct a model of what is going on, what type of process, entities etc. Alternatively, one can recognise that as an intellectual distraction, and instead concentrate on the vibrational quality of the interaction, how inspirational and healing it is, what long term effects one notices etc.
    5. when looking at the 'process' of life, one can focus on challenges, problems both individually and collectively, or one can recognise the perfection within the process, and that there is really no wrong step...

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Thank you for your response.

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    I have had "niggles" niggling at me for many decades, probably since my teens. I believe it was my intuition trying to break through the programming to which we've all been subjected.

    1. No longer give credence to the Christian religion, or the Christian Science / Science of Mind / Eschatology religion or the New Age belief systems. I hope I have kept the granules of pure truth found in all, but realize it was those granules that attracted me in the first place. I was a rebellious sort and used to say that I chose a religion or belief system because it most closely matched with my sense of truth. Never did I accept the insistence that I adhere to ALL their precepts on pure "faith", especially those that I didn't understand. I see the huge manipulative / mind-control stances taken in all of them.

    2. 9-11 - total US initiated and orchestrated event. Grateful to have witnessed my response and others' responses, as it taught me more about insidious manipulations. Once pointed out to me about the controlled demolitions and other contradictions, I could see the truth (or at least the lies) there. Wondered how others could NOT, though.

    3. Big Pharma (vaccinations / treatments / GMOs / organic food / alternative medicines - been aware of most of this for decades. However, been in denial too, as my actions to support / protect myself didn't ramp up until fairly recently. I guess I just couldn't believe how bad it could be. I remember the 1980's court rulings against the innocent farmers being sued for having GMO seeds BLOWN against their will, onto their properties and being incredulous.

    4. Obama / Hillary & Bill - I saw this set of "fallacies" (probably not the best word) and orchestrations way back when Bill was president, because of my proximity to DC politics and government at the time. Great lessons in how TPTW used manipulations and long-term planning. Was incredulous at the 2004 election campaign and how too many got on board with the overt / covert / insidious mind-control programming. Hope? Change? Racist if you don't vote for him? I mean really, Obama (as no one proven in the national political landscape) gives the 2004 DNC keynote speech, and is elected as president in 2008, and is voted the Nobel Peace Prize BEFORE he takes office. And you're racist if you question or disagree with any part of it. Ummm.

    5. Moon (artificial? landing?), UFO's / Aliens (exist?), Mind Control, Illuminati, Man's origins, and so many other conspiracy theories - I'm so open to reviewing imbedded beliefs, researching, and re-thinking (re-penser - repent) and coming to new conclusions. Constantly amazes me how entrenched some of the past accepted beliefs were. And grateful that in some (hopefully all) cases, I am clear enough to see the inconsistencies and manipulations and act accordingly. I'm surprised once I come to my new understanding, how I could have been deluded for so long. I'm also alert to planted misinformation and it's clearer now than ever before for me to see at least some of the methodologies / patterns being used.

    Some of the information is difficult to read/view and digest as it's very negative and it's challenging to maintain a good and happy perspective when you dive in so deep. Which is another manipulative ploy - to get people to either ignore the info, or to become demoralized so they won't rise up and do anything.

    Thank goodness for Project Camelot / Avalon (Kerry and Bill), David Icke, InfoWars (Alex Jones), Julian Assange and so many others who have made it their life's work and passion to discover and share the truths. Especially for Project Avalon where it feels like people are not only processing the information, but acting on it in very positive and inspiring ways.

    This is a good thread - thanks Karma Ninja for starting it.

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    Default Re: Different directions - changing/evolving beliefs and the 180 degree turn.

    Very true about our conditioning. We are subject to so much more mental influence and suggestion than we can possibly fathom. Minds are clay to be molded for people with the knowledge on how to influence others. I doubt there is a way to break out of the processes which control us, rather, we need to change the noise to a more positive influence.

    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Humans can be conditioned/persuaded/forced into doing the most horrendous acts against others for money or survival in their field like military or politics. Add
    crime etc., professionals even, that we trust with our lives.

    How can we as humans or hybrids do to change that?

    If advanced aliens over thousands or millions of years did not solve that problem we need to find a way for our own sake. Perhaps the benevolent aliens have found a way.
    Or could all existence be just a matter of survival at all costs everywhere.

    As is thought, there may be no end to space or time, no limit to possibilities. Now that's something to contemplate in your spare time.

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