A comprehensive review of the many health benefits of smoking Tobacco

[Frankie Pancakes]

No it's not from the Onion (satire). I don't have a dog in this fight as "they" say. This is an interesting and long article but worth a read. I wonder if it is possibly the additives in tobacco that cause some of the problems... pure organic as opposed to chemically enhanced?

https://www.sott.net/article/338885-...moking-Tobacco

[Ashy67]

There are alot of nasty chemicals in cigarettes but I think inhaling any smoke can't possibly be too good for you

[lucidity]

I'm not prepared to believe this.

Whilst it's true that we _have_ been lied to about many, many things:
=> that dietary fat causes heart disease or..
=> that eating dietary fat will make you fat
=> that chemotherapy is a valid treatment for cancer
=> that radiotherapy is a valid treatment for cancer
=> that 300 IU of vitamin D3 is an adequate dose
(but woe betide you if you exceed it)
=> that vitamin B17 is toxic
=> that cannabis causes cancer (or brain damage)
etc etc

I find it hard to believe that cigarette smoking is 'good' for you.
There's been too many studies showing, that for example, doctors who smoked
were massively more likely to contract every disease from heart attack,
lung cancer, emphysema, bronchitis, obesity and diabetes to throat cancer.

I think this is the equivalent of the "flat earth" stories that have been going
around for last few years.
Probably the point of this story is to pollute the information pool and
confuse the sheeple.

I'm willing to believe in UFOs, aliens, alien abductions, telepathic abilities,
telekinetic abilities, psychic abilities, conspiracies to pollute public drinking
water with fluoride, conspiracies to spray poisons into the skies, and
conspiracies concerning the murder of Kennedy, the 9/11 false flag and
USA funding ISIS
.... but believing that smoking cigarettes is good for you ?


I think Woody Allen predicted this story... about 40 years ago
See here (zoom in at 3:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fYguIX17Q

[Frankie Pancakes]

Did you read the article?

[bluestflame]

have long suspected the benefits of tobacco , likely why the elite took control of its cultivation and processing and loaded it full of chemicals

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Tobacco actually does have at least a couple of positive effects that I already knew about even without the article above:

- Nicotine unbinds fluoride from the pineal gland and other parts of the body.
- Smoking tobacco occasionally (not heavily) can acutely increase testosterone levels in men, which is a good thing because most men don't have near the healthy levels of T they're supposed to today. Having low T for men can actually increase risk of cancer. Not to mention it literally makes you sissified.

Of course organic tobacco is better. Otherwise you're smoking a chemical cocktail, and all kinds of harmful products.

And of course smoking anything is not healthy for your lungs, but neither are you going to die overnight just because you inhale smoke. I've known of daily smokers who have lived well into their 90s, but they were smoking before all of these chemicals were in the products.

[bettye198]

Pure Tobacco heals. Once added with all the nicotine and junk, it destroys.

[WhiteLove]

There is no way I am going to buy that commercial cigarrettes are healthy, they contain chemicals.

Naturally produced smoke from matches, wood etc. is less unhealthy in my opinion to the point that it makes little sense viewing it as a health risk. But the nostrils close instantly, so they block out that smoke, which indicates they want to minimize/balance it into the lungs.

I am not a smoker, if I were I would try to first migrate over to more natural smoking, e.g. being in the presence of smokey environments (not from people smoking), then gradually lower that too.

If that would not help, I would as the very last resort at least apply a really complex psychological block - limit the limitation - e.g. always smoke outside where there is fresh air, or always take fresh air before and afterwards, maybe even mix that with using lip protection from the cigarette paper similar to what Joseph Farrel uses, maybe stick to a particular brand, anything that could help apply a psychological block onto it.

But it is best to migrate towards more natural smoke and then from there lower that dose to ok levels, just to make it so that you don't have to think of the health aspects because that can cause a constant repetitive stress that is not good.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's not just a matter of inhaling smoke that has health benefits. Inhaling smoke isn't good in general. It's the nicotine itself that has some health benefits, just as certain chemicals in marijuana also have health benefits. And nicotine is naturally present in tobacco, it is not an additive.

As with anything, moderation is key. Even too much water or oxygen can kill you.




That is the easiest-to-find brand here in the states that uses no chemical additives. They even have a line of cigarettes that use certified organic tobacco, not that there is realistically much difference there because they still use fertilizer with radon in it either way and that's the other concern. The price is comparable to other brands, maybe slightly more expensive, at least here in Virginia.

[shaberon]

Interesting that they mention MAO Inhibitor, apparently that's what's needed to get ayahuasca to work.

By-products of combustion always contain carbon isotopes, which is what carbon dating runs on, so that gives you perhaps a bit of neutron decay.

But yes, the first thing that fouled tobacco was industrial fertilizer, and then, the plethora of additives that constitute different brands. Some of this also involves the spraying of excess nicotine and placing fiberglass into the filters to manipulate addiction. World of difference between organic tobacco, and those "cocktails" which immediately induce respiratory trouble, mental stress, and impulsive cravings.

Interesting that one of the centenarians said he abstained from alcohol, as some amounts of red wine for example are supposed to be beneficial.

Filters were added simply to filter tobacco particles, the "filters tar and nicotine" thing was added for marketing later, but those can be just as problematic as some of what's in the smoke.

[Sean]

Posted by Frankie Pancakes (here)
No it's not from the Onion (satire). I don't have a dog in this fight as "they" say. This is an interesting and long article but worth a read. I wonder if it is possibly the additives in tobacco that cause some of the problems... pure organic as opposed to chemically enhanced?

https://www.sott.net/article/338885-...moking-Tobacco

Both my parents died of cancer, years ago. Both were smokers.

I CURRENTLY have an aunt and an uncle who are dying from stage 4 cancer. Both are smokers, well, they were before this cancer. I'm sitting in my dying uncle's living room, looking at him in a hospital bed that hospice care set up here, so he can die at home, as I type this.

Selling me on "beneficial" tobacco is gonna be hard. And yes, I read the article, but, still..not buying. Not yet.

[Ashy67]

Posted by Sean (here)

Posted by Frankie Pancakes (here)
No it's not from the Onion (satire). I don't have a dog in this fight as "they" say. This is an interesting and long article but worth a read. I wonder if it is possibly the additives in tobacco that cause some of the problems... pure organic as opposed to chemically enhanced?

https://www.sott.net/article/338885-...moking-Tobacco

Both my parents died of cancer, years ago. Both were smokers.

I CURRENTLY have an aunt and an uncle who are dying from stage 4 cancer. Both are smokers, well, they were before this cancer. I'm sitting in my dying uncle's living room, looking at him in a hospital bed that hospice care set up here, so he can die at home, as I type this.

Selling me on "beneficial" tobacco is gonna be hard. And yes, I read the article, but, still..not buying. Not yet.

Wow that's tough, I too am experiencing something similar in my family also. I agree that any smoking is not advisable for your health. Love and light to you and your family

[TargeT]

Posted by Ashy67 (here)
There are alot of nasty chemicals in cigarettes but I think inhaling any smoke can't possibly be too good for you

It's a bit counter intuitive, but, the statement "moderation in everything" really does mean EVERYTHING

Toxicity is always bout dosage, not substance.

Posted by Sean (here)
Both my parents died of cancer, years ago. Both were smokers.

I CURRENTLY have an aunt and an uncle who are dying from stage 4 cancer. Both are smokers, well, they were before this cancer. I'm sitting in my dying uncle's living room, looking at him in a hospital bed that hospice care set up here, so he can die at home, as I type this.

Selling me on "beneficial" tobacco is gonna be hard. And yes, I read the article, but, still..not buying. Not yet.

My grand dad died smoking at 96; I think he smoked for some 70 years.

Cancer is a weird one, is it SOLELY due to "carcinogens" ?

I think it's more of a systemic problem that manifests itself in places where your body is extra weakened (lungs on a smoker etc..).

IE: the problem isn't JUST the smoking, there are many compounding factors (mainly diet, and exercise... and it's MOSTLY exercise really) My grandfather was a Forrest ranger & worked until his late 70's... a
"woodsman" basically, lived a very very active life style, it's anecdotal; but I think that had something to do with his bodies ability to handle drinking and smoking for that many years.

[Bubu]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Ashy67 (here)
There are alot of nasty chemicals in cigarettes but I think inhaling any smoke can't possibly be too good for you

It's a bit counter intuitive, but, the statement "moderation in everything" really does mean EVERYTHING

Toxicity is always bout dosage, not substance.

Posted by Sean (here)
Both my parents died of cancer, years ago. Both were smokers.

I CURRENTLY have an aunt and an uncle who are dying from stage 4 cancer. Both are smokers, well, they were before this cancer. I'm sitting in my dying uncle's living room, looking at him in a hospital bed that hospice care set up here, so he can die at home, as I type this.

Selling me on "beneficial" tobacco is gonna be hard. And yes, I read the article, but, still..not buying. Not yet.

My grand dad died smoking at 96; I think he smoked for some 70 years.

Cancer is a weird one, is it SOLELY due to "carcinogens" ?

I think it's more of a systemic problem that manifests itself in places where your body is extra weakened (lungs on a smoker etc..).

IE: the problem isn't JUST the smoking, there are many compounding factors (mainly diet, and exercise... and it's MOSTLY exercise really) My grandfather was a Forrest ranger & worked until his late 70's... a
"woodsman" basically, lived a very very active life style, it's anecdotal; but I think that had something to do with his bodies ability to handle drinking and smoking for that many years.

agree to all that you have said but especially to exercise. Speaking from first hand experience. My siblings (6) got their share of diabetes and/or high blood pressure and a host of diseases, as early as 30 to 45 years old. I have never been diagnose with any. The only difference between them and me before I change diet 4 years ago age 47 is that I live a very active life. I simply cant leave working in the office. I was once hired to teach in school but resigned after 4 days.

As to the smoke I knew a very healthy man who never smoke but burn dry leaves every morning upon waking up. I guess he inhales some smoke. As for me I always have a wood stove inside the house which I fire every now and then. My instinct tells me that a house without smoke is mold and germ infested. For the spiritually inclined it drives bad spirit. Not to mention I simply love to inhale some smoke. As you have mentioned its about the right amount. I don't smoke cigar because it does not feel right but love to inhale some from wood or dry leaves smoke. simple as that. trust the senses its there for a reason.

PS your grand dads job is my dream job. activity in nature. nothing beats it when it comes to feeling good and healthy. that's also from experience.

[bluestflame]

simple methodology , if in doubt , leave it out ... this is why we each get to choose what we do to our own bodies based on our own research and intuitions , ( even while the govt seems hellbent on taking even THAT away from us)

ie we do reap what we so , hence the importance of the ability choose WHAT we'll so and the importance of informed decisions , though seems many sow with wild abandon lately

[CurEus]

I am part way through the article ( I tend to read the studies as cited) and what they posit is not "unconventional" by any means. They deconstruct flawed studies that showed correlation instead of causation between tobacco and cancers. They ASLO inform readers that current cigarettes products can have nearly 8,000 different additives by commercial manufacturers...is it the tobacco or the additives, chemicals and other constituents that are problematic ? They also discuss they several thousanbd nuclear tests ejecting enough radiation particles to kill the whole planet several times over....

The body seems to adore nicotine with improved immunity, cognition, metabolism among other benefits. We are all pretty much on the same page as it relates to pesticide based farming........I doubt anything other than organic tobacco should be consumed. Then we concern ourselves with filters and rolling papers...I''ll keep at the article but I haven never been very comfortable with governments damning cigarettes while loving vaccines.....seems like a disconnect.

[norman]

When you're all done sifting this tobacco thing, start on tap water.

I quit tap water 3 years ago.

I've heard tobacco stops the mind control working on you. I thought I was growing eccentric, for years. Turns out I'm just semi immune to mind control and it's not really me that's drifted away from 'normal'.

[TargeT]

Posted by CurEus (here)
I doubt anything other than organic tobacco should be consumed. Then we concern ourselves with filters and rolling papers...I''ll keep at the article but I haven never been very comfortable with governments damning cigarettes while loving vaccines.....seems like a disconnect.

Every gas station around here has a container full of large, wrinkly brown tobacco leaves, locally grown. The locals pay a dollar and pick out a big piece, then usualy mix with with cannabis, or just smoke it strait.

Only tourists/outsiders smoke "carton" cigarettes here (though even american spirits are only ~$2.50 a pack), I only smoke when I'm at the bars (which can be up to 2-3 times a week.. haha) and at that price point, I don't mind at all.

Posted by norman (here)
When you're all done sifting this tobacco thing, start on tap water.

I drink water from the sky (well, from the sky, that fell on my roof and drained into my cistern)

[norman]

I bought a packet of tobacco seed last year and want to have a go at growing some. Is there an expert reading this ? The seeds are very tiny and I'm thinking they are going to be very delicate little plants during the early and cooler months, which isn't ideal for the climate I live in.

[bluestflame]

i brought a dvd with all sorts of info on growing tobacco a few years ago
think it was on ebay