Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[Nela]

Posted by Mayan2012 (here)
Nela:

I am impressed by your thoughts. I agree 100%
I believe that whomever is seen as having power has as much power over us as we give them. They know how to manipulate events and people by using our weaknesses, our fears, our strengths, our desires, our needs, in a way that serves them without us knowing it. In fact we are usually thankful for what they do which makes us slaves to their agenda.
They give us just about all the credit we can stand and then some, so that we can get in debt to them and have to work and work to try to pay off our debts, but at the same time, they raise our interest rates so that it makes it harder for us to pay the debts off and at the same time they tempt us with new unnecessary gadgets that we just can't seem to live without so we buy them as soon as our balance comes down enough.
Of course, then there are the holidays that were invented to make people buy more things for other people who also have to buy gifts for every one else. In the mean time everyone is going into debt.
Then comes the stress that all this working and spending brings, and we all know that stress is one of the main causes of illness in the world. another is the food that has been tampered with by them.
I guess we get the picture.
Since you understand that there are laws of the Universe, you might be interested, if you don't know about it yet, that there there is a book called "The Kybalion" http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp?chapter=II .
This book is about the seven Hermetic Principles or laws of the Universe. The Principles are: Mental, Correspondence, Vibration, Polarity, Rhythm, Cause and Effect and Gender. I highly suggest you take a look at it. I have read this book from cover to cover a half a dozen times and every time I do, I learn something that I didn't learn the time before.

Hi Mayan!

Thanks for the book! I will start reading as of today!

I would recommend to you site Montalk.net. It belongs to a guy named Tom, and I think he is a genius. He has a lot of good staff there.

The interesting thing is also INTENT. Sometimes it works, and when it does it is fast and happens in the most unconceivable way, but sometimes not. I am in the process of experimenting with this trying to figure out what are the factors.

I wonder, what would happen if a few people (just ordinary people) gather together and concentrate on the same intent at the same time. Can, for example, they call forth the rain if there is a drought, or maybe could such an intent be powerful enough to shut down a nuclear facility? Or can common intent of the large number of people influence some inevitable earth changes to at least lessen their impact? If that is possible, why we don't organize ourselves and go to work?

[Mayan2012]

Posted by unplugged (here)
Er, NO! We are under no moral or other compunction to trust anyone but ourselves. I listened to one half of 1 tape with Charles and turned it off as it set off every conceivable alarm in me. I am where I am today living the life I'm living because I've learned to trust my Inner guidance. Bill's body language, carefully-selected softball questions and disgustingly obsequious manner was enough for me. That, more than even Charles, was the turn-off for me. Had I not marveled at Bill's expert questioning and probing of other witnesses who've graced Camelot over the years I probably wouldn't have been quite as put off. And, for the record, I must say I agree with Kerry insofar as the bit I listened to before I tuned it out. The only remarkable thing was the lack of anything remarkable whatsoever.

When I said we have to trust Bill's judgement I meant as far as Charles credibility and the material being presented, since we can't personally verify anything that Charles says. I take everything I hear and read with a grain of salt. Regardless of where the information is coming from.
I also did not imply that we have a moral obligation or other compunction to trust them.
I respect your point of view but I feel that if we can't prove anything one way or another, it is prudent to at lest keep an open mind about everything.

[Mayan2012]

Posted by Nela (here)
Hi Mayan!

Thanks for the book! I will start reading as of today!

I would recommend to you site Montalk.net. It belongs to a guy named Tom, and I think he is a genius. He has a lot of good staff there.

The interesting thing is also INTENT. Sometimes it works, and when it does it is fast and happens in the most unconceivable way, but sometimes not. I am in the process of experimenting with this trying to figure out what are the factors.

I wonder, what would happen if a few people (just ordinary people) gather together and concentrate on the same intent at the same time. Can, for example, they call forth the rain if there is a drought, or maybe could such an intent be powerful enough to shut down a nuclear facility? Or can common intent of the large number of people influence some inevitable earth changes to at least lessen their impact? If that is possible, why we don't organize ourselves and go to work?

Nela, it just so happens that two years ago in Atlanta their was a big gathering of people to think focus on rain in the middle of a drought and low and behold it did rain.
The news of the gathering was in the paper before it took place and then the paper commented on how it rained. So common intent does work.
Are you familiar with David Wilcock's material? If not, do yourself a favor and look him up on You Tube and enjoy his videos. I think you will become a fan as I did.

[The Arthen]

I suddenly got chills, because Celine and some of the women of this forum hold considerable emotional influence over others. Win those over...and...bingo.

Ok, you can start throwing stones at me now

[Nela]

Posted by Mayan2012 (here)
When I said we have to trust Bill's judgement I meant as far as Charles credibility and the material being presented, since we can't personally verify anything that Charles says. I take everything I hear and read with a grain of salt. Regardless of where the information is coming from.
I also did not imply that we have a moral obligation or other compunction to trust them.
I respect your point of view but I feel that if we can't prove anything one way or another, it is prudent to at lest keep an open mind about everything.

Right. And we can certainly "stomach" a bit of disinformation without permanent damage to our brains. The information presented so far is either something we already knew, or partial disinfo- like a story on beings that "created us." Well, they haven't, they hi-jacked the planet and they mutilated us, or yes, they "created" us as we are now. But "by their deeds you shall know them" so if we turn around we will see what kind of "creators" they are, and what level they are on. Why bother? Because if you want to win, you have to know your "enemy" so if "they" are really here, we can just as well use this opportunity. And if "they" are really here (communicating with us), maybe that is exactly what they are doing- observing what "sheep" could possibly know about their plans... Since they are prone to "wishful thinking" that would not help them much, I bet they are somewhat surprised.

It is up to everyone to perceive this situation according to their will. Some will see it as a danger, some will see it as an opportunity. I personally have read so much junk so far, but how would I ever learn to discern if I haven't? No need to get emotional, but discussion is on order. We should and we can, together, take down every lie if we remain balanced and avoid attacking each other. Attacking received information is the goal. If it is truthful, it will survive. If it is a lie, it will die. So, let's make a storm. A brainstorm!

And cheer up! Humor is a powerful weapon. They don't have it, and that one can not be subject to "reversed engineering"!!!

[InCiDeR]

I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

[Nela]

Posted by Mayan2012 (here)
Nela, it just so happens that two years ago in Atlanta their was a big gathering of people to think focus on rain in the middle of a drought and low and behold it did rain.
The news of the gathering was in the paper before it took place and then the paper commented on how it rained. So common intent does work.
Are you familiar with David Wilcock's material? If not, do yourself a favor and look him up on You Tube and enjoy his videos. I think you will become a fan as I did.

I know, I go to David Wilcock's site daily to see if there is something new!
I am sorry I live so far away (Serbia), otherwise I would attend all those conferences and events. I feel somewhat lonely here...

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Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

Interestingly, I have a same feeling about communication with Charlie being a trigger for something else...

[InCiDeR]

Posted by sepia (here)
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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Well put, Sepia. But as well we are the students, we are also the teachers. Maybe that's why Charlie claims "that we are helping him now" when we participate in his so called "interview".

[HaveBlue]

Concerning the title of this thread. It is well known that this forum is called Avalon and that people are free to read and post when and where they see fit.
Since the 'charles' material is the lateset topic of interest it is no surprise that it has the limelight.

The importance the subject matter is plain for all to see.
The naming of a thread in this way is negative which ever way you look at it.
There are many other threads here for perusal if the charles material does not interest you.

This thread should only have one post in it. The first post should be 2 letters- no.
thread closed.

[Isostool]

Posted by Sentience (here)
Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line. Dangerous precident if you ask me. I remain unconvinced but have purposefully refrained from taking part in the discussion as It feels as frog has said that dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.

Three people have been shown the door as I can tell, Shiva777, redeyeblue and manny. There may be more. I'm not sure. I only found out about Shiva777 when I went to write him a PM and his profile said unsubscribed. And he had been a heavy dissenter.

Edit post: [I just went and checked..] He's back. I wonder what went on there?

[Gajanana]

Nothing charles has said has changed my beliefs or outlook in the slightest... however, the members of this forum have taught me BUNDLES! Maybe charles has yet to come up with the goods, if he does, then Brill! If he doesnt, no problem. The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

We can all change though, I know I have. After walking the same streets as charles, Ive found something else and that is a belief in myself. Seeing as I believe we are all One, myself includes all of you and I believe all of you are various parts of myself - I need to see the good, chuck out the non usefull and enjoy life. Tough ride though aint it?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Isostool (here)
Three people have been shown the door as I can tell, Shiva777, redeyeblue and manny. There may be more. I'm not sure. I only found out about Shiva777 when I went to write him a PM and his profile said unsubscribed. And he had been a heavy dissenter.

Edit post: [I just went and checked..] He's back. I wonder what went on there?

Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread for more details.

[Gajanana]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread for more details.

He will be welcomed back... nice one Bill.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gajanana (here)
The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

Quite wrong.

The care I was taking was because of the sensitivity of the subject matter. I was astounded that the interview was taking place at all. I hadn't known for sure until we turned the camera on that it was actually going to happen.

I wasn't concerned about my safety. I was concerned about making a good interview from the opportunity of a synthesis of more than 30 hours of prior conversation, much of which covered very complicated ground, in limited time.

[Gajanana]

My mistake - cheers

[jorr lundstrom]

XLNT job Bill Thank you

Jorr

[Tangri]

Posted by sepia (here)
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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Hi Sepia,
I think Master means not a "Sahib","owner" but a Teacher.
Yes you can be your own teacher but also you can use a light from any source.
I had a lot master in the past ;They were my professor, my Chess partner, my (experienced) co-worker, old time philosophizer.
They never had me, I had my own free will.

Sincerely Love

[Tangri]

Posted by Gajanana (here)
Nothing charles has said has changed my beliefs or outlook in the slightest... however, the members of this forum have taught me BUNDLES! Maybe charles has yet to come up with the goods, if he does, then Brill! If he doesnt, no problem. The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

We can all change though, I know I have. After walking the same streets as charles, Ive found something else and that is a belief in myself. Seeing as I believe we are all One, myself includes all of you and I believe all of you are various parts of myself - I need to see the good, chuck out the non usefull and enjoy life. Tough ride though aint it?

Gajanana you are right at the moment. Charles did not give anything that we can touch yet.
Maybe(actually I am pretty sure) Bill knows more than what we heard. Wait and see

[jorr lundstrom]

Originally Posted by sepia
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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Hi Sepia

How easy it is lose ones being in becoming. You are a master already.

Jorr

[joedjemal]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

I don't think Bill will fall if Charles turns out to be a deceiver. I'm involved here because of the quality of the members not this particular bit of material (it did catch my eye and bring me here) although if we get some decent information about our history I'll be delighted.