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    Yes, I paid close attention to all that he has said in his campaign and after, but ISIS is not in Jemen, so why drone bomb people there if he says that he wants to the interventionism? You cannot both declare war to radicalized Muslims and not intervene. That was a first red flag for me when he said those words at his day of inauguration.
    As far as the US military is concerned,, ISIS = Yemen, been like that for years now.

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    Do you think that approval will come if Trump keeps sending weapons to Syrian rebels?
    I doubt that will continue, in fact I'd bet that's one of the first things that stops... but that needs to be watched, those types of policy decisions will be very telling... "too soon" is all i can say for now.

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    Zero Hedge with offered two sources for its claim that Trump sent military equipment to Syrian Rebels.

    What do you think about that Target? True, false? What if true?
    "too soon" is all I can say on that; there's a bit of inertia built up from the previous administration, it doesn't go away in a week (but it doesn't last long either).

    I can't read that link (I think zerohedge blocks military networks.. haha!), did trump have any involvement in it, make a statement or anything? or was this just something that was done after he swore in and is attributed to his administration?
    Thanks for your response Target.

    Perhaps you're right that the weapon equipment was not ordered or condoned by Trump. I really hope so.
    Reuters was one of the sources and the rebels themselves the others, so a spin, or a lie is also possible imo.


    About Yemen = ISIS as far as US military is concerned:
    You'd have to explain that, because all I know is that there where, or perhaps are trainings- camps for Al Qaida there, but ISIS in Yemen is something that I've never heard of before and I don't think that's the case at all.

    When Trump spoke those words at his inauguration about "eradicating radical Islam terrorism from the face of the earth", I knew that we were in trouble, because this pledge both totally collides with his intent to end interventionism and (taken into a context in which he probably meant it: Taking a big hammer (military) and go after terrorists in the middle east) will never work, because this is fighting fire with fire.

    Yes, ISIS can be defeated and perhaps some sort of order can be restored in Iraq and Syria, but to send the military after radical Islam terrorism will be a bad bad move that the whole world will suffer from.
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    Perhaps you're right that the weapon equipment was not ordered or condoned by Trump. I really hope so.
    Oh, as for that, I can GUARANTEE that it was not ordered by trump; I know our logistic systems... we just can't react in a week or two with the rumored order to an overseas location

    now condoned or not, that's the question.


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    Reuters was one of the sources and the rebels themselves the others, so a spin, or a lie is also possible imo.
    Used to be I'd take it at face value, now.... your definitely right to leave the door open to subversive actions.

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    About Yemen = ISIS as far as US military is concerned:
    You'd have to explain that, because all I know is that there where, or perhaps are trainings- camps for Al Qaida there, but ISIS in Yemen is something that I've never heard of before and I don't think that's the case at all.
    Oh I don't know how much it ACTUALLY has to do with ISIS or if Yemen just didn't play ball at some point or what, but they are on our "****list" as it were.. (in reality I'm sure it's just us backing Saudi which is fighting with Yemen right now) I was not attempting to justify it, just explaining the thinking proccess.

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    When Trump spoke those words at his inauguration about "eradicating radical Islam terrorism from the face of the earth", I knew that we were in trouble
    Well, There are different levels of "consciousness" out there, different levels of understanding on a geopolitical level... he could very well think that Isis is exactly what he is told it is & therefor rightly wants to eradicate it. Or it's welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.

    time will tell imo, "too soon" for now.

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    Yes, ISIS can be defeated and perhaps some sort of order can be restored in Iraq and Syria, but to send the military after radical Islam terrorism will be a bad bad move that the whole world will suffer from.
    I don't think many people fully grasp the "terror" situation.

    Nearly every single weapon used in the last 20 years or so has come from a super power, every IED that goes off is because we gave them 155mm artillery shells during the iran contra situation (they used a tiny bit of clever re-working and made very effective weapons out of those relics). Everything is from us.

    If we quit supplying them, just the US alone and actually went after them it would be like a month (or less) long campaign.

    We can literally watch nearly all of the middle east if we want to, live, and on a clear day with resolution fine enough to read what ever letter your standing on the corner holding. This isn't classified anymore, it's basically common knowledge... but i guess people forget that.

    everything during the last 8 years has been a show. We have been arming both sides and trying to get the chaos stirred up to a point that would give us an excuse to "intervene" ( like we always do) if we just stop doing that it's over on it's own in a year or two.
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    Quote After appointing Goldman bankers to head the Treasury and the SEC and key economic advisory positions, it looks like the Trump era will be business as usual for Government Sachs. Today Carey Wedler of TheAntiMedia.org joins us to discuss her recent article, "Actually, Goldman Sachs 'Hacked' the Election."
    Looks like the Trumpet could be just another Goldman Sachs puppet.
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    Quote We can literally watch nearly all of the middle east if we want to, live, and on a clear day with resolution fine enough to read what ever letter your standing on the corner holding. This isn't classified anymore, it's basically common knowledge... but i guess people forget that.
    I would hope that we have 24/7 drone / satellite (as well as other assets) coverage of what are determined to be critical threats.

    I have been retired from the Air Force since the late 90's. I was an ELINT analyst/technician and had several very interesting assignments. I can assure you, we do have an extremely vast and powerful intelligence capability.

    As a Airman and later NCO, I had assignments where some of the things I was tasked with doing, the average American has no clue about. Yet they were key to helping assure the security of the United States and her partners.
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    Trump’s toxic agriculture policy will be as grotesque as Obama’s
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    Quote In articles about Trump, I have praised the man for certain things he’s done and is doing. But that isn’t a reason for closing my eyes and accepting his programs wholeheartedly.

    This is what I predicted in recent articles. Unless some miracle turnaround occurs, Trump’s pick for Secretary of Agriculture, Sonny Perdue, will be a catastrophe. Lights out. Bang.

    Big Ag vs. the small American farmer? No contest.

    Katherine Paul, the associate director of the Organic Consumers Association, has the story:

    “Trump heaped predictable praise on Sonny Perdue, promising that the former governor of Georgia will ‘deliver big results for all Americans who earn their living off the land’.”

    “The Grocery Manufacturers Association (GMA), that multi-billion-dollar lobbying group that represents Monsanto, Dow, Dupont, Coca-Cola, General Mills (you get the picture) rushed to praise Perdue’s nomination. In a statement, GMA’s president said her group ‘looks forward to working with [Perdue] on issues key to keeping America’s food the safest and most affordable food supply in the history of the world’. Coming from the GMA, leader of the charge to keep labels off GMO foods, we know that ‘safest and most affordable food’ is code for ‘industrial chemical GMO food’.”

    “And by now, we also all know that Perdue, who was named 2009 Governor of the Year by the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, counts both Monsanto and Coca-Cola among his many corporate campaign donors.”

    “A former fertilizer salesman, Perdue at one time owned Houston Fertilizer and Grain which, after its acquisition of Milner Milling Co., morphed into AGrowStar, a grain business with operations across Georgia and South Carolina. His supporters cite his business operations as proof that he’s qualified to lead the USDA. They fail to mention the role chemical fertilizers play in water pollution and global warming [I reject that latter connection], much less the cost to farmers of relying on synthetic inputs…”

    “Perdue has no qualms about taking government handouts. Environmental Working Group (EWG) reports that between 1995 and 2014, he cashed in on $278,679 in taxpayer-funded subsidies for his various businesses. Will he be open to overhauling the current system which doles out $25 billion/year in subsidies (paid out mostly to large producers, not small farmers) for commodity crops, like wheat, GMO corn, GMO cotton and GMO soy?”

    “At a 2003 meeting organized by his wife (then first lady of Georgia) and sponsored by Coca-Cola and Chick-fil-A, Perdue praised the soda giant for its ‘its continued effort to grow its business presence and invest in Georgia, as the Company prepares to open a $100 million plus expansion to its Atlanta production facilities’.”

    “Before his nomination, Perdue served on Trump’s ag advisory committee whose talking points, as reported on November 15, by Politico, ‘offer a roadmap on how President-Elect Donald Trump’s agriculture secretary could shape agricultural policies, including the sweeping promise to “defend American agriculture against its critics,”’. Of course, what the committee means by ‘American’ agriculture is industrial factory farm and GMO commodity agriculture. And we all know who the committee sees as its critics—that would be us and a host of other groups that advocate for healthy food and a clean environment.”

    “…in 2009, Perdue signed a bill that blocked local communities in Georgia from regulating animal cruelty, worker safety and pollution related to factory farms. That’s hardly ‘looking out’ for the little guy.”

    —No need to read between the lines. Perdue will be Big Ag’s man in Washington.

    But just in case you think he’ll reverse all the wonderful farm policies promoted by Obama, read on. Obama was nothing less than Monsanto’s man in the Oval Office. Here is my piece, from 2013:

    After his victory in the 2008 election, Obama filled key posts with Monsanto people, in federal agencies that wield tremendous force in food issues, the USDA and the FDA:

    At the USDA, as the director of the National Institute of Food and Agriculture, Roger Beachy, former director of the Monsanto Danforth Center.

    As deputy commissioner of the FDA, the new food-safety-issues czar, the infamous Michael Taylor, former vice-president for public policy for Monsanto. Taylor had been instrumental in getting approval for Monsanto’s genetically engineered bovine growth hormone.

    As commissioner of the USDA, Iowa governor, Tom Vilsack. Vilsack had set up a national group, the Governors’ Biotechnology Partnership, and had been given a Governor of the Year Award by the Biotechnology Industry Organization, whose members include Monsanto.

    As the new Agriculture Trade Representative, who would push GMOs for export, Islam Siddiqui, a former Monsanto lobbyist.

    As the new counsel for the USDA, Ramona Romero, who had been corporate counsel for another biotech giant, DuPont.

    As the new head of the USAID, Rajiv Shah, who had previously worked in key positions for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a major funder of GMO agriculture research.

    We should also remember that Obama’s secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, once worked for the Rose law firm. That firm was counsel to Monsanto.

    Obama nominated Elena Kagan to the US Supreme Court. Kagan, as federal solicitor general, had previously argued for Monsanto in the Monsanto v. Geertson seed case before the Supreme Court.

    The deck was stacked. Obama hadn’t simply made honest mistakes. Obama hadn’t just failed to exercise proper oversight in selecting appointees. He was staking out territory on behalf of Monsanto and other GMO corporate giants.

    And now let us look at what key Obama appointees have wrought for their true bosses. Let’s see what GMO crops have walked through the open door of the Obama presidency.

    * Monsanto GMO alfalfa.

    * Monsanto GMO sugar beets.

    * Monsanto GMO Bt soybean.

    * Coming soon: Monsanto’s GMO sweet corn.

    * Syngenta GMO corn for ethanol.

    * Syngenta GMO stacked corn.

    * Pioneer GMO soybean.

    * Syngenta GMO Bt cotton.

    * Bayer GMO cotton.

    * ATryn, an anti-clotting agent from the milk of transgenic goats.

    * A GMO papaya strain.

    * And soon, genetically engineered salmon and apples.

    This is an extraordinary parade.

    Obama was, all along, a stealth operative on behalf of Monsanto, biotech, GMOs, and corporate control of the future of agriculture.

    He didn’t make that many key political appointments and allow that many new GMO crops to enter the food chain through a lack of oversight.

    Nor is it coincidental that two of the Obama’s biggest supporters, Bill Gates and George Soros, purchased 900,000 and 500,000 shares of Monsanto, respectively, in 2010.

    Obama, while on the campaign trail in 2008, was promising transparency in government, was claiming that every person has the right to know what’s in his food (GMO labeling). But clearly, that was all cover and fluff. He was lying through his teeth and he knew it. He hasn’t changed. He’s been a covert agent since the beginning.

    Imposter. Charlatan. These words fit Obama. He doesn’t care that GMO food is taking over the country and the world. He wants it to happen. He’s always wanted it to happen.

    Obama, Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow, among others, are prepared to do whatever is necessary to make GMO food and their attendant pesticides dominate America and, through exports, the world.Whether Trump has his eyes open or closed, he’s walking down the same path. His meetings with small farmers, and his pledge to protect clean water and air, were so much fluff.

    Theoretically, he has time to reverse course, but don’t bet on it, don’t hold your breath—unless you’re living in an area downwind from a corporate factory farm, where the air is full of gently wafting toxic pesticides and GMOs.

    Jon Rappoport
    I'm just not buying it that Trump's picks are going to be doing things differently than they were before, just because it's Trump calling the shots now.
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    Bit lost for words about the following video.

    Hi Akasha! I haven't watched the video yet, but am sure it highlights Trump's devil's deal with 'Net-a-yahoo.' I agree completely with Target's assessment about Middle Eastern wars for profit and control -- and the necessity of an arms embargo on that region. That won't sit well with Israel though. They are one of the world's largest arms manufacturers, themselves. Israel would also like to see Iran obliterated.

    I sense that Trump just might be foolhardy enough to take on Iran. And I mean, bomb it to glass. It would make Israel happy.

    Trump appears to be Israeli payback to the democrats who dared distance themselves from Israel's dear leader.

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    Quote We can literally watch nearly all of the middle east if we want to, live, and on a clear day with resolution fine enough to read what ever letter your standing on the corner holding. This isn't classified anymore, it's basically common knowledge... but i guess people forget that.
    I would hope that we have 24/7 drone / satellite (as well as other assets) coverage of what are determined to be critical threats.

    I have been retired from the Air Force since the late 90's. I was an ELINT analyst/technician and had several very interesting assignments. I can assure you, we do have an extremely vast and powerful intelligence capability.

    As a Airman and later NCO, I had assignments where some of the things I was tasked with doing, the average American has no clue about. Yet they were key to helping assure the security of the United States and her partners.
    There has only ever been one critical nuclear threat in the Middle East, and that was and is Israel. Pakistan, to some degree, as well. Iran needed to be watched carefully and that situation was contained by previous administration.

    I don't notice Saudi Arabia, another actual Wahhabist threat, being drone struck. What with all the princes, you might just hit one by accident!

    The only people who seem to be targeted are those who happen to be powerless and no threat whatsoever.

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    If this is all true and he keeps on pursuing that line, nothing will come of the hope that the US will stop bombing and killing people abroad. Nothing will come of the hope that the tensions between big players in the world will end.


    so far he has done what he's said, or close to it.

    he wants to go after ISIS, he wants to "grow the military".


    so don't expect a quiet four years for the military industrial complex.... a large troop deployment to the middle east would not surprise me at this point.
    Any ideas where this will happen, Target?

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    If this is all true and he keeps on pursuing that line, nothing will come of the hope that the US will stop bombing and killing people abroad. Nothing will come of the hope that the tensions between big players in the world will end.


    so far he has done what he's said, or close to it.

    he wants to go after ISIS, he wants to "grow the military".


    so don't expect a quiet four years for the military industrial complex.... a large troop deployment to the middle east would not surprise me at this point.
    Any ideas where this will happen, Target?
    I don't think it will be soon, so not even a guess on when right now

    Just guessing, why would we build the military up more? our budget is already 610something billion dollars.

    Ever seen the comparison chart of every aircraft carrier in the world?


    Not even sure why we would need a "build up" really.
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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)

    Perhaps you're right that the weapon equipment was not ordered or condoned by Trump. I really hope so.
    Oh, as for that, I can GUARANTEE that it was not ordered by trump; I know our logistic systems... we just can't react in a week or two with the rumored order to an overseas location

    now condoned or not, that's the question.


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    Reuters was one of the sources and the rebels themselves the others, so a spin, or a lie is also possible imo.
    Used to be I'd take it at face value, now.... your definitely right to leave the door open to subversive actions.

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    About Yemen = ISIS as far as US military is concerned:
    You'd have to explain that, because all I know is that there where, or perhaps are trainings- camps for Al Qaida there, but ISIS in Yemen is something that I've never heard of before and I don't think that's the case at all.
    Oh I don't know how much it ACTUALLY has to do with ISIS or if Yemen just didn't play ball at some point or what, but they are on our "****list" as it were.. (in reality I'm sure it's just us backing Saudi which is fighting with Yemen right now) I was not attempting to justify it, just explaining the thinking proccess.

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    When Trump spoke those words at his inauguration about "eradicating radical Islam terrorism from the face of the earth", I knew that we were in trouble
    Well, There are different levels of "consciousness" out there, different levels of understanding on a geopolitical level... he could very well think that Isis is exactly what he is told it is & therefor rightly wants to eradicate it. Or it's welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.

    time will tell imo, "too soon" for now.

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    Yes, ISIS can be defeated and perhaps some sort of order can be restored in Iraq and Syria, but to send the military after radical Islam terrorism will be a bad bad move that the whole world will suffer from.
    I don't think many people fully grasp the "terror" situation.

    Nearly every single weapon used in the last 20 years or so has come from a super power, every IED that goes off is because we gave them 155mm artillery shells during the iran contra situation (they used a tiny bit of clever re-working and made very effective weapons out of those relics). Everything is from us.

    If we quit supplying them, just the US alone and actually went after them it would be like a month (or less) long campaign.

    We can literally watch nearly all of the middle east if we want to, live, and on a clear day with resolution fine enough to read what ever letter your standing on the corner holding. This isn't classified anymore, it's basically common knowledge... but i guess people forget that.

    everything during the last 8 years has been a show. We have been arming both sides and trying to get the chaos stirred up to a point that would give us an excuse to "intervene" ( like we always do) if we just stop doing that it's over on it's own in a year or two.
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    If this is all true and he keeps on pursuing that line, nothing will come of the hope that the US will stop bombing and killing people abroad. Nothing will come of the hope that the tensions between big players in the world will end.


    so far he has done what he's said, or close to it.

    he wants to go after ISIS, he wants to "grow the military".


    so don't expect a quiet four years for the military industrial complex.... a large troop deployment to the middle east would not surprise me at this point.
    Any ideas where this will happen, Target?
    I don't think it will be soon, so not even a guess on when right now

    Just guessing, why would we build the military up more? our budget is already 610something billion dollars.

    Ever seen the comparison chart of every aircraft carrier in the world?


    Not even sure why we would need a "build up" really.
    After upsetting close ally Australia, looks like we are losing friends. Should major military action become necessary we may not have a large coalition willing to assist, as in the past. I would say that we might need a build up. But omg that's a lot of naval power!

    Hard to see those numbers as real. Wow!

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    Hard to see those numbers as real. Wow!
    We are about to add three more of the big ones

    600 billion a year... its hard to waste that much money and not end up with SOMETHING to show for it lol

    Take a good look at these numbers... Welcome to the empire..
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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)

    Perhaps you're right that the weapon equipment was not ordered or condoned by Trump. I really hope so.
    Oh, as for that, I can GUARANTEE that it was not ordered by trump; I know our logistic systems... we just can't react in a week or two with the rumored order to an overseas location

    now condoned or not, that's the question.


    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    Reuters was one of the sources and the rebels themselves the others, so a spin, or a lie is also possible imo.
    Used to be I'd take it at face value, now.... your definitely right to leave the door open to subversive actions.

    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    About Yemen = ISIS as far as US military is concerned:
    You'd have to explain that, because all I know is that there where, or perhaps are trainings- camps for Al Qaida there, but ISIS in Yemen is something that I've never heard of before and I don't think that's the case at all.
    Oh I don't know how much it ACTUALLY has to do with ISIS or if Yemen just didn't play ball at some point or what, but they are on our "****list" as it were.. (in reality I'm sure it's just us backing Saudi which is fighting with Yemen right now) I was not attempting to justify it, just explaining the thinking proccess.

    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    When Trump spoke those words at his inauguration about "eradicating radical Islam terrorism from the face of the earth", I knew that we were in trouble
    Well, There are different levels of "consciousness" out there, different levels of understanding on a geopolitical level... he could very well think that Isis is exactly what he is told it is & therefor rightly wants to eradicate it. Or it's welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.

    time will tell imo, "too soon" for now.

    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    Yes, ISIS can be defeated and perhaps some sort of order can be restored in Iraq and Syria, but to send the military after radical Islam terrorism will be a bad bad move that the whole world will suffer from.
    I don't think many people fully grasp the "terror" situation.

    Nearly every single weapon used in the last 20 years or so has come from a super power, every IED that goes off is because we gave them 155mm artillery shells during the iran contra situation (they used a tiny bit of clever re-working and made very effective weapons out of those relics). Everything is from us.

    If we quit supplying them, just the US alone and actually went after them it would be like a month (or less) long campaign.

    We can literally watch nearly all of the middle east if we want to, live, and on a clear day with resolution fine enough to read what ever letter your standing on the corner holding. This isn't classified anymore, it's basically common knowledge... but i guess people forget that.

    everything during the last 8 years has been a show. We have been arming both sides and trying to get the chaos stirred up to a point that would give us an excuse to "intervene" ( like we always do) if we just stop doing that it's over on it's own in a year or two.
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    We are about to add three more of the big ones

    600 billion a year... its hard to waste that much money and not end up with SOMETHING to show for it lol

    Take a good look at these numbers... Welcome to the empire..
    Gawd! With 16 more planned. Like we need them! It makes me wonder why any country would ever eff with us!!! lol
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    I don't think it will be soon, so not even a guess on when right now
    Perhaps I spoke too soon....

    I thought we were over this Iran thing...

    Quote The coming clash with Iran

    Pat Buchanan: Why did Trump and Flynn feel the need to threaten Tehran now?


    When Gen. Michael Flynn marched into the White House Briefing Room to declare that “we are officially putting Iran on notice,” he drew a red line for President Trump. In tweeting the threat, Trump agreed.
    His credibility is now on the line.
    And what triggered this virtual ultimatum?
    Iran-backed Houthi rebels, said Flynn, attacked a Saudi warship, and Tehran tested a missile, undermining “security, prosperity and stability throughout the Middle East,” placing “American lives at risk.”
    But how so?
    The Saudis have been bombing the Houthi rebels and ravaging their country, Yemen, for two years. Are the Saudis entitled to immunity from retaliation in wars they start?
    Where is the evidence Iran had a role in the Red Sea attack on the Saudi ship? And why would President Trump make this war his war?
    As for the Iranian missile test, a 2015 U.N. resolution “called upon” Iran not to test nuclear-capable missiles. It did not forbid Iran from testing conventional missiles, which Tehran insists this was.


    Is the United States making new demands on Iran not written into the nuclear treaty or international law – to provoke a confrontation?
    Did Flynn coordinate with our allies about this warning of possible military action against Iran? Is NATO obligated to join any action we might take?
    Or are we going to carry out any retaliation alone, as our NATO allies observe, while the Israelis, Gulf Arabs, Saudis and the Beltway War Party, which wishes to be rid of Trump, cheer him on?
    Bibi Netanyahu hailed Flynn’s statement, calling Iran’s missile test a flagrant violation of the U.N. resolution and declaring, “Iranian aggression must not go unanswered.” By whom, besides us?
    The Saudi king spoke with Trump Sunday. Did he persuade the president to get America more engaged against Iran?
    Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker is among those delighted with the White House warning:
    “No longer will Iran be given a pass for its repeated ballistic missile violations, continued support of terrorism, human rights abuses and other hostile activities that threaten international peace and security.”
    The problem with making a threat public – Iran is “on notice” – is that it makes it almost impossible for Iran, or Trump, to back away.
    Tehran seems almost obliged to defy it, especially the demand that it cease testing conventional missiles for its own defense.


    This U.S. threat will surely strengthen those Iranians opposed to the nuclear deal and who wish to see its architects, President Hassan Rouhani and Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, thrown out in this year’s elections.
    If Rex Tillerson is not to become a wartime secretary of state like Colin Powell or Dean Rusk, he is going to have to speak to the Iranians, not with defiant declarations, but in a diplomatic dialogue.
    Tillerson, of course, is on record as saying the Chinese should be blocked from visiting the half-dozen fortified islets they have built on rocks and reefs in the South China Sea.
    A prediction: The Chinese will not be departing from their islands, and the Iranians will defy the U.S. threat against testing their missiles.
    Wednesday’s White House statement makes a collision with Iran almost unavoidable, and a war with Iran quite possible.
    Why did Trump and Flynn feel the need to do this now?

    There is an awful lot already on the foreign-policy plate of the new president after only two weeks, as pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine are firing artillery again, and North Korea’s nuclear missile threat, which, unlike Iran’s, is real, has yet to be addressed.
    High among the reasons that many supported Trump was his understanding that George W. Bush blundered horribly in launching an unprovoked and unnecessary war on Iraq.

    Along with the 15-year war in Afghanistan and our wars in Libya, Syria and Yemen, our 21st-century U.S. Mideast wars have cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of dead. And they have produced a harvest of hatred of America that was exploited by al-Qaida and ISIS to recruit jihadists to murder and massacre Westerners.
    Osama’s bin Laden’s greatest achievement was not to bring down the twin towers and kill 3,000 Americans, but to goad America into plunging headlong into the Middle East, a reckless and ruinous adventure that ended her post-Cold War global primacy.
    Unlike the other candidates, Trump seemed to recognize this.
    It was thought he would disengage us from these wars, not rattle a saber at an Iran that is three times the size of Iraq and has as its primary weapons supplier and partner Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

    When Barack Obama drew his red line against Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons in Syria’s civil war, and Assad appeared to cross it, Obama discovered that his countrymen wanted no part of the war that his military action might bring on.
    President Obama backed down – in humiliation.
    Neither the Ayatollah Khamenei nor Trump appears to be in a mood to back away, especially now that the president has made the threat public.
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    Trump certainly will act if Israel prompts it... not good.
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    I don't think it will be soon, so not even a guess on when right now
    Perhaps I spoke too soon....

    I thought we were over this Iran thing...
    And what about the US ambassador at the UN?
    She insanely (cause Russia did nothing of this sort) blamed Russia for the recent violence in Eastern Ukraine.
    What is that all about?



    Either Trump has no control over his people, or he is playing a very different game then the one he promised to play.

    I don't know which option is worse.
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    Either Trump has no control over his people, or he is playing a very different game then the one he promised to play.

    I don't know which option is worse.

    First one, IMO...

    most presidents play ball.. this one isn't, so the holes in the system are showing.
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    Donald Trump (DT) first meeting with Big Pharma (BP) --- it did not go well.

    DT: Hi guys, thanks for coming. As you know I have stated that drug prices are excessive. I hope we can exploit the scale of US drug consumption, and the buying power of Government programmes to achieve economies of scale... basically I want to see, as per my campaign platform, CHEAPER DRUGS for our people. This is a key pledge for me. Another key pledge is to re-patriate good jobs, I want to see more of these things made at home for our people.

    BP: Hi, big D. So let me get this straight... you want us to sacrifice profits, cut prices AND move plants back home to a higher cost zone that we currently have... where is the up-side for us?

    DT: Guys, guys, don't forget that I will be cutting Company Income tax so there is a benefit. Overall profits should do fine...

    BP: Well, those tax cuts are in the bag for us already...where is our incentive to change ? The way things are going we are looking to off-shore as much as we can, and that will blow your 'bring jobs home' clean away. So don't mess with us!

    DT: Jeez, you guys do play hard ball! OK, what do you want? PLEEEZE can I have a fig leaf gesture regarding cheaper drugs for our poor seniors.. what will it take??

    BP: OK that's better ! Well big T these are our demands:

    1. De-regulate rules on trial drugs for the imminently terminal ( so we can torture the dying in their last weeks )
    2. De-regulate the whole testing regime, because the best judge of the benefit or otherwise of our products is US, not a publicly accountable body that slightly pays lip service to the greater pubic interest.
    3. Can you help us with our big loss makers in Europe- the low prices we get there... (we have drafted a policy document on this...)

    DT: OK I get it except for part 3. Why is it my business what prices you get for your excellent and indispensable products in Europe? Surely they have a free market for drugs over there too??

    BP: Well, Donald, see, it's like this... in Europe etc, they have a different way of operating. They ensure that there is a fully functioning price competition mechanism operating for drugs. We have mostly subverted this insidious idea back home by co-opting public regulatory bodies. So we just cannot get the prices. But it's worse than that. They just say to us ' sorry, guys, we are just not prepared to pay for that product at that price. They flat refuse. Their publicly transparent mechanisms for evaluating cost-benefit for new drugs often conclude that a cheap generic alternative, or old out of patent version is adequate for their system.

    DT: Good God! Poor Europeans! They must suffer from much lower life expectancy without the latest treatments. But I cannot see where I fit in. Surely your great products sell themselves?

    BP: No, we are asking for help from you above and beyond. THIS is the trade off. THIS is what we require. If we cannot convince them with back handers, research papers, advertising etc, we HAVE TO fall back on POLITICAL POWER. Use your influence to 'open' their markets. Don't worry, the 'How' is all worked out. We need to you go back to TTIP and implement the product protections enshrined in the secret provisions there. Just do NOT call it TTIP! And start with those fools the English when the come begging! The rest will follow!

    DT: OK, but you drive a hard bargain!
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    Either Trump has no control over his people, or he is playing a very different game then the one he promised to play.

    I don't know which option is worse.

    First one, IMO...

    most presidents play ball.. this one isn't, so the holes in the system are showing.
    The second option, IMO...

    President Trump's job is to serve as the US front man for some major changes in the economic, monetary and political structure of the world.

    The Saudi, Iran, Israel, Syria, Turkey, ISIS, "terrorist", ... conflicts are tearing apart the Muslim world, and they are providing major cover or excuse for various major actions, world-wide, as various powerful hidden hands jockey for position and bring about various changes to the Next New World Order, with its multi-polar political order and multi-major-currency monetary system, all guided by hidden globalist hands, using increasingly sophisticated world-wide surveillance and mass population control technology. In particular, this latest outrage by the US over Iran is serving nicely to distract from this bit of news: Iran to ditch the US dollar in retaliation to Trump's travel bans. The hegemony of the US Dollar is coming to an end, and Iran just took a key step in that process.

    The primary victim of the US sanctions against Russia, which US Ambassador Haley justified in her remarks at the UN, is Europe. These sanctions will serve, along with other insults to Europe, as the motivating factors for European nations exiting the EU and NATO, or at least for substantially reforming these institutions, to better fit the Next New World Order.
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    Either Trump has no control over his people, or he is playing a very different game then the one he promised to play.

    I don't know which option is worse.

    First one, IMO...

    most presidents play ball.. this one isn't, so the holes in the system are showing.
    The second option, IMO...

    President Trump's job is to serve as the US front man for some major changes in the economic, monetary and political changes in the world.
    With the amount of Sachs employees he brought on, I guess he must be "in on it"; I guess the Sanctions were just a part of the destabilization of the west to transfer power to the "stable" east (though china has a LOT of PR work to do... haha)

    Clearly the EU block is in for a fun year, but that alone isn't enough to bring the US down with it... perhaps trumps machinations are meant to accomplish that bit? Go broke building a wall and expanding the military? The continued departure of countries using the dollar for oil will collapse our economy over time, but is that "fast enough"? Iran isn't the first to ditch the dollar.
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    I don't blame people for being pro-Trump. I agree with nearly all of their sentiments and values. My question has always been, if he is sincere and if his intentions are above board. My personal view is regardless of any of that, what about the swamp? Which way are the catfish really swimming?

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