Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Mike]

I'm also interested in Carol's take on "the light". l've always hoped the light was benevolent and authentic, but I'm open to other ideas. I think it's important to note that what we call "A.I." and astral tricksters are both great imitators and replicators (at least that's what the research seems to suggest). I often wonder if the confusion arises from this. Maybe the light is benevolent and authentic AND maybe there is a sort of phony light that souls get tricked into following. I dunno...just thinking out loud.

[Rainbowheart]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr, quoting Carol Clarke (here)
27:38 Now he is talking about the "light tunnel" being a trap that leads to a memory erasure station and manipulation. I agree with that. Because people are working towards the light.

Ron what does this mean, can you explain it to me please?
Is this the light tunnel people see during death, and if this is a trap, what else is there?

thanks Maria

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Rainbowheart (here)

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr, quoting Carol Clarke (here)
27:38 Now he is talking about the "light tunnel" being a trap that leads to a memory erasure station and manipulation. I agree with that. Because people are working towards the light.

Ron what does this mean, can you explain it to me please?
Is this the light tunnel people see during death, and if this is a trap, what else is there?

thanks Maria

I suspect that Simon Parkes is correct when he says turn your back to the light tunnel seen at death and go the other way, while maintaining a strong intent to return to Source.
Starting and reinforcing your intent to return home to Source is a good thing to do now and every night as you are going to sleep. According to Simon, as you walk away from the light trap, you will see something that resembles a fence designed to keep you captured. As you move towards the fence you will find a hole or some way to pass through it.

Follow your intuition. Pay attention to how your body feels. Intuition is your guidance.

[Ewan]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)

I suspect that Simon Parkes is correct when he says turn your back to the light tunnel seen at death and go the other way, while maintaining a strong intent to return to Source.
Starting and reinforcing your intent to return home to Source is a good thing to do now and every night as you are going to sleep. According to Simon, as you walk away from the light trap, you will see something that resembles a fence designed to keep you captured. As you move towards the fence you will find a hole or some way to pass through it.

Follow your intuition. Pay attention to how your body feels. Intuition is your guidance.

From what I've gleaned reading various reports over the years a lot of people have described being 'drawn' to the light, or some finding themselves already in a tunnel and being propelled along it. Encounters with entities/beings frequently describe a feeling of unconditional love.

If this light (and tunnel) are part of the trap it seems your intuitions are not much use to you at this point, these peoples 'feelings' were their intuitions. It would seem your very intuitions can be created, or at least influenced, (and we are not in the habit of questioning our intuitions very deeply), once you reach that point, so by then it is already too late.

I've also read accounts of various Tibetan masters who would practice taking their awareness into sleep with them so they would not fall prey to the traps of the afterlife. Practicing lucid dreaming might be the same.

So I surmise for those already awakening there is a better chance of negotiating that boundary between what we call life and death. I fear for the majority that will not be the case, and that raises a question. Where is the free will? If there is a soul-trap set up around earth/humanity where are the options. Where's the 'good guy' to counter the 'bad guy'. To give you a choice. It looks like a pretty stacked deck to me.

I recall on reading 'Journey of Souls' and 'Destiny of Souls' by Michael Newton that several times I got an uncomfortable feeling reading certain accounts. My intuition was that something was not right about this, (what I was reading). My hesitant conclusion was that there was still an element of control about it all, things were still being hidden. That is written clearly (quoting from memory) I was not allowed to see beyond this/that point, or variations of such.

Right now my position is such that I will be wary of the light, and another part of me asks 'What if that is the greatest psy-op of all?' Make them fear the light.

How can we know. That would be the greatest gift you could give to anyone in a 3D incarnation right now.

PS. My intuitions of SP when meeting him and conversing with him at a talk were not favourable. There could well be a good man in there but he may not be free of negative influences himself.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Ewan (here)
'What if that is the greatest psy-op of all?' Make them fear the light.How can we know.

That's a great point.

I do believe that many many souls who pass over do eschew the light. And you know why? Not because they believe it's a trap per se. With people who have led bad, destructive, or abusive lives, there can be only one place for them! They are terrified of the light. They shunned it in life, and so they do so in death as well. They are terrified at the very thought that they are dead, and that there is an after life. They're terrified of judgement, because that's what religion and the threat of hellfire teaches. So they stay put, in limbo, and they don't go into the light. They become earthbound spirits, stuck in an indeterminate state between realms - the very same place where lower entities mingle, feeding from this fear.

Maybe you are right, Ewan. The light trap as a psy-op, to prevent people from moving on so they get actually trapped in the lower realms.

Neither do I believe it's correct that, instead of going into the light, one could simply 'return to Source'. Source is where we came from, but you cannot get back there until the very end of your journey. That's our destination, but in terms of linear time that could be billions of years from now. I doubt there's a way to simply 'go back' to source and stay there before time, otherwise, there would be no life and the Universe would be empty, everyone would've gone back to Source, because they could do so. It's not possible to skip the line!

I really just don't know, but the light trap as a psyop does make some sense. If you think about it another way, a 'light trap' in itself is a pretty strange concept. I feel that if you are not of the light, you cannot 'fake' light. Anyone can manufacture darkness, by merely depriving a thing of light. But I find it hard to believe that light itself can be "made" from that which is dark and deceitful. Light simply is. Far more than illumination, it is warmth, peace, harmony, truth, and it is infinite, eternal, and unconditional love. This is what so many report in their NDEs. I find it difficult to understand how such things, that resonate in the very depths of our souls, can be faked.

Posted by Ewan (here)
My hesitant conclusion was that there was still an element of control about it all, things were still being hidden. That is written clearly (quoting from memory) I was not allowed to see beyond this/that point, or variations of such.

Another reason the light trap argument feels wrong is that there is no illusion on the other side, no trickery, and no deceit. Just vibration. And as you mentioned Ewan, anything in spirit that is kept beyond our perception, something we're not meant or allowed to see or experience, is because it's naturally beyond our ability to grasp, or beyond our vibrational attainment. I think that's ok, and there's nothing subversive or suspicious about that. Everything over there is thought and energy, and all communication is telepathic. Everything is known immediately, including deceit. Fakery cannot exist.

[RunningDeer]

Nix the tunnel of light...

I’m here as a catalyst to alter the future and to expand in knowledge, experience and wisdom. I’m subject to the rules of this illusionary maze (for now). One aspect of the journey is to perish the ego. Ego is more than a psychological or philosophical ideology. It’s an implant, an energetic overlay that runs the mind and biology. It is cemented through culture, family, education, religion, media, etc. It’s core loosens from every crack that comes from the cycles of knowledge, experience and wisdom.

Along this journey, one removes self from consensus reality: loosen attachments to what traps one in the maze, i.e. ideologies and deleterious emotions. As wisdom evolves one opens to and interacts with the larger universe and onto the cosmos which is governed by natural law.

It’s incremental. The more we live spirit-essence and relinquish attachment to ego then we're less and less inclined to be drawn to the tunnel of light technology. Eventually, it's no longer part of the world one has created for self and co-created with others. At death, the reflex action of the innate wisdom of spirit (soul) mergers with complementary vibration.

♡



Sorry for soooooo many edits.
Part of the problem is I'm a work in progress.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

While we are on the topic of the light trap and memory erasure station:

I have one recollection (a dream) of what may have been a memory erasure station, part of the "light trap" described by Simon. During the dream, while exploring somewhere off planet, I found a room with an open door. I entered and the door slammed shut and locked behind me. A very loud buzzing sound started and in the room with me were robots, possibly grays. Immediately recognizing that this was a trap, I called upon friendly ETs to get me out. No help came. Then I called upon my own power and was immediately set free. Probably a big lesson here.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
Ego is more than a psychological or philosophical ideology. It's an implant, an energetic overlay that runs the mind and biology. It is cemented through culture, family, education, religion, media, etc.

Hi Running Deer, good points. But to add, in my personal belief, the ego is something else, and arises from something different. Not that it cannot be nudged and expanded (corrupted) by these things, but I believe the ego, rather than a technological implant, is a natural part of our awareness, and is basically the sum, expressing itself, of all our former experiences (good and bad) in this life, and importantly all those of our former lives.

This energy framework also expresses itself as conscience, dictating what we feel, what we think, what we say and what we do - based on all previously acquired knowledge and understanding. It is an expression of our vibration, and the level we're at. That's just what I believe anyway. But I also believe that on this long road to truth, the First Truth to be aware of is that what is true today, might not be true tomorrow.

We're all learning, we're all growing, and we're all trying to figure it out. For me anyway the truth as we understand it is relative, and always subject to editing

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
[ego is] ...natural part of our awareness, and is basically the sum, expressing itself, of all our former experiences (good and bad) in this life, and importantly all those of our former lives.

For me, ego is not a natural part of our awareness that’s what we’ve been programed to believe. Ego stunts opportunity for awareness. It’s job is to keep us busy. Keep us involved in defending it’s positions and lamenting it’s wrongs, all to keep us away from true self. That goes for former lives, the job is/was the same; dumb down and continuously circle the drain.

But I also believe that on this long road to truth, the First Truth to be aware of is that what is true today, might not be true tomorrow.

The road doesn’t need to be as long as we’ve been lead to believe. (Whatever long is.) We only have to step into another perspective where ego is not invited to join in the game. Yes, I agree. What is true today may not be true tomorrow. That’s the beauty of it. Once we dethrone ego and its ideas of how things should be, we invite our self into a whole new game.

♡

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
For me, ego is not a natural part of our awareness that’s what we’ve been programed to believe. Ego stunts opportunity for awareness. It’s job is to keep us busy. Keep us involved in defending it’s positions and lamenting it’s wrongs, all to keep us away from true self. That goes for former lives, the job is/was the same; dumb down and continuously circle the drain.

I know what you're saying, but I have a different view. I love you Running Deer I really do, so I hate disagreeing with you (it is however very rare). But I see things in a different light, and here's why.

I don't think the ego is there to stunt our awareness, it could perhaps be viewed as a wall, a stumbling block, for us to overcome in order to gain more awareness. The ego is full of traps and snares, and maybe that's the point insofar as progression and attainment of spiritual awareness is concerned?

I might be completely wrong, I don't know. It's just how I see it at the present time...the ego not as a retardation of awareness, but a tool through which we attain more awareness. I think of the ego as just 'selfness'. In extremes there can be the psychological (and psychic) complex where the emphasis of one's internal perception is concentrated strongly or solely on the betterment of self (at the expense of others). I think that's what you were talking about, a kind of dog eat dog sort of attitude. In other words conceit and self importance. In that, yes, I completely follow you and agree it is not a normal, natural way to be, and absolutely not the way. This is mostly down to negative programming (and undeveloped awareness).

But I still think the "ego" is a necessary thing. It's a natural part of that which actually makes us individual pieces of consciousness. The ego is defined in psychology as:

"the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment."

It omits any spiritual recognition, but it's reasonably correct I think. But a healthy, balanced ego is the goal, where ego = a healthy and balanced view and perception of The Self, and then because of that, and through that: all other Selves.

Ultimately, the ego is what gives us individualization, which in turns grants us our personalities, without which we would not be able to identify ourselves as a self, or be able to function as free-will beings incarnate in a human vehicle. I think part of the exercise is to conquer the ego, and to recognize and overcome its pitfalls. In so doing, discovering we're all One.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
I know what you're saying, but I have a different view. I love you Running Deer I really do, so I hate disagreeing with you (it is however very rare). But I see things in a different light, and here's why.

Disagreement is okay. Thank you for taking the time to express your views, Star Mariner.

It's helped me clarify some points for myself that I haven't been able to articulate. And because of your input, I've got more to ponder.

Love right back to you,
Paula ♡

[onawah]

My impressions re the tunnel of light vs Source vary somewhat from what I've read so far in that I think we were meant to be able to go to Source between lifetimes to rest and heal and review our lives and decide on a soul level whether we are ready to stay in the Oneness or whether we want to return.
The control system that Earth is presently under has robbed us of that unless we are very strong and clear, though I think it has still been possible for the most evolved souls to escape the continuing rounds of reincarnation.
But it's more difficult than it really needs to be because the predators want to continue having lots of victims to keep their game going.
I've studied Tibetan Buddhism and I think the Tibetans know that there are more traps than just the light tunnel (though I do believe that is one trap).
Some of the traps may lead to higher planes where existence is not so painful if we are strong enough spiritually to make it there, though they can also lead eventually back to 3D existence, which is why the Tibetan Book of the Dead advises to move past even those realms of light.
There are other traps which lead to lower Bardo states where we suffer if we have not lived to our potential before we are able to mover closer to Source or to reincarnate.
But if we are given the choice of the light tunnel and return instead to Source, which is our true home, we can still choose to reincarnate; the big difference is that we have had the chance to heal, to rest and to review our lives, and we can to some extent choose what will be our next incarnation, rather than having it chosen for us in the punishment/reward system the prison wardens have devised for us.
But it's very important to remember, according to the Tibetans, that everything but Source is an illusion, because it is our own beliefs in the illusions that we are presented with that keep us entrapped.
I believe that Simon Parkes said that if we are in the light tunnel and someone appears to us who looks like Jesus or Buddha (or whoever)-- someone who we would tend to trust in implicitly-- if we really use our discernment, we will SEE that that's not who they really are.
So I think it's not just intuition we need to employ, but also caution and fine discernment.
And it's important to be very focused and prepared for going on that journey, and to live the best life we can until that crossing over so that we are ready for it.
Castaneda's teacher don Juan said to live life like Death is stalking you every moment, and then you may be prepared for it when it comes, and escape the devouring Eagle to fly to freedom.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by onawah (here)
Castaneda's teacher don Juan said to live life like Death is stalking you every moment, and then you may be prepared for it when it comes, and escape the devouring Eagle to fly to freedom.

I remember Castenada talking about the Eagle consuming consciousness but not all the details. My own "Eagle" experience at the Monroe Institute felt very positive. During a session (think of it as a dream while listening to Hemi-Sync) I was outside under a bright starlit sky. I levitated then flew to the stars. Some stars were shaped in the form of an Eagle's head. As I passed through the Eagle's head I was overwhelmed with the feeling of love. And I realized I had the freedom to choose any adventure I wanted.

[onawah]

Some days, I kind of prefer don Juan's option myself.
If we are all eternal, why not choose a multidimensional kind of freedom rather than just disembodied bliss consciousness?
But I think perhaps the rub is that there are always risks in the latter.

[joeecho]

"Don't go into the light"

(big inner smile)

Too late.

In reality, we are all consciousness rebels.

Where all is equal, consciousness is a rebellious act.

[Caliban]

Posted by joeecho (here)
"Don't go into the light"

(big inner smile)

Too late.

In reality, we are all consciousness rebels.

Where all is equal, consciousness is a rebellious act.

I'm intrigued -- would you mind elaborating on that?

[Mike]

I'll be the first to admit that i'm succeptible to whatever I happen to be reading or listening to in any given moment. Lately ive been listening to lots of stuff on electronic harassment, and i'm very cynical as a result...So the light as "trap" seems more probable to me now than it has in years past, especially when really smart people I respect support that position.

Theres some really good back n forth here between Paula and Star Mariner. Theyre both highly intelligent and convincing.....and they both represent the enigma that often emerges in these types of topics. Which is the psyop? the light itself?....OR the idea of the light being phony and malevolent? Which is the psyop? the ego being an inplanted overlay?....OR the ego being a natural, necessary challenge created by a benevolent creator?...

Another admission: this topic bugs me. I have to admit that I have an emotional and/or intellectual attachment to this idea of the light being benevolent. In the conspiracy world, we might call this a "trigger". I have an investment in this idea, for better or worse. Investments take energy...and no one wants to admit that theyve foolishly wasted their energy on something that is untrue. In my opinion, this is why people remain stuck in stale and stubborn memes - theyd rather argue for the wrong position into eternity than simply admit theyve been wrong. Ive stubbornly clung to this idea of the light being good and authentic, and a part of me resents being challenged on it. Is this my inner "programming" resisting a potential truth? Am I clinging to this idea out of an irrational stubbornness? Or is this so much of an authentic spiritual certainty to me that I resent the muddying of the waters coming from the malevolent light people? I honestly can't say...

..like I said, im susceptible to whatever I happen to be researching at the time. My opinions on many things are always in flux. And when it comes to things we really don't know the answers to with any sort of certainty, intellectual flexibility seems the most prudent stance to me. Unless we've died and come back (and some here have!), all our info regarding the light comes from books or interviews etc. My personal tho still very flexible stance at the moment is that reincarnation is a good and natural process put in place by a good and natural creator. When the word "recycle" is used in its place it makes us sound as negligible and unimportant as soda bottles...and the notion of the light seems artificial and deceptive. It all depends on how one approaches it. Words are important!

I dont know what happens when we die. I only know what I want to have happen. at the moment, it's an emotional and intellectual longing trying to bridge an endless abyss of unknowingness. The research seems to suggest the light is good...the key word being *seems*. But as we all know, things arent always what they seem to be

[onawah]

The terms "light" and "false light" can be interpreted in a lot of ways.
People like Dannion Brinkley who died and came back more than once and remembered incredible, life-changing experiences after his return concur that great things can happen to us after death and that there are benevolent beings on "the other side" that can help us and direct our feet onto a path of "Light" are very convincing, and I don't doubt them.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=77lc0yasjYc

I have experienced the true Light during satori experiences, as have many over the ages, and it is realer than real.
So yes, I say there is Light that is from Source and that is what Consciousness truly is.
But the false light is something else, and though it is deceptive, I think it is actually a very poor imitation once you have experienced the real thing.
You can experience false light being channeled through certain New Age type teachers, religious evangelists etc. who have a kind of power, and it can seem like the real thing if you don't really pay attention, or if you are willing to be taken for a superficial feel good ride, or if you simply want to surrender to a power that you think is going to take care of you so you can relinquish responsibility for yourself.
I think those deceivers are often being controlled by the Archons, the Djinn, or the Greys or the Reptilians, or whatever other kinds negative forces there are arrayed here who are trying to keep us enslaved, and so there is a kind of power that seems to be otherworldly, and in a way, of course, it is.
But otherworldly isn't necessarily a good thing, obviously!
It's hard to be precise when describing this situation because it's very complex, but I think it's safe to say there are two different kinds of light/Light that we are discussing here, and it's important to understand that.

[East Sun]

Dylan Thomas

"Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage at the dying of the light."

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Mike (here)
My personal tho still very flexible stance at the moment is that reincarnation is a good and natural process put in place by a good and natural creator. When the word "recycle" is used in its place it makes us sound as negligible and unimportant as soda bottles...and the notion of the light seems artificial and deceptive.

I think that too Mike. This is a world of fear, darkness, and chaos, and in this highly corrupted and subversive atmosphere could there be a better psy-op to oppress us even more than to tell us, "hey, there's no hope for you, because even the light at the end of the tunnel is fake, death is no escape." This feel to me like another level of control, another kick into the guts of humanity, in other words, just another lie.

I can't refute the existence of Archonic light traps, because I don't know from actual experience. But ask yourself, where does this information come from? People. Human sources, mostly on youtube and internet blogs. Whereas all other information about 'light', 'heaven', and the 'afterlife', and there are reams of it, centuries of it, comes from the horse's mouth, ie Spirit, clairvoyant mediums, our higher selves during hypno-regression, and even the Bible. And they say no such thing. Precisely the opposite in fact. Unless all that is fake too (which I am sure is not), I'll go with that source rather than the fear-based, control-driven, lie-ridden human perspective.

If there is a trap, it's right here. Earth. This is the trap. You live your lives, and through your choices and your actions you shed, or accumulate karma. It is precisely karma, and the work we have to do here to clear it, that keeps bringing us back. You cannot graduate until you've finished all the lessons. If you want out of Earth, live, learn, love, and forgive. Unconditionally and always. That's the ticket.