Why Modern Art is Absolute Crap

[BMJ]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PRWJcrRO0GM

Published on 30 Mar 2017

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I like the point of the video that is "Modern Art is Absolute Crap".

This is reinforced by my visit to the National Gallery of Australia were I saw a blue sheet of plastic hanging on the wall.
I mentioned to my friends at the time that it would make a great coffee table or flipped over a great oil catch tray for my car, but I would never hang that on my wall.

Which looked like this:



And this is what art really is, when talent expresses a moment of time in life:

[Creedence]

I know what you are saying, but unfortunately beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

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[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Creedence (here)
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Is that "unfortunately"? or "fortunately"? The world would be one messed up place if everyone thought the exact same and had the exact same tastes, yet we as humans spend so much time putting others down for not sharing our own.

[Lifebringer]

Maybe that's the "emotional expression of the world? "Blue."
I AM artist, we express emotion through color or expression of what world we see in front of us. I remember lots of vibrant colors depicted in Nemoi or Picasso, but the "tv screen or pc screens depict a "blue life."
That's what this artist got from that out of darker blue, to lighter shade of blue.
But that's just me, I speak the "languiche.

jmo

[Creedence]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Creedence (here)
I know what you are saying, but unfortunately beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Is that "unfortunately"? or "fortunately"? The world would be one messed up place if everyone thought the exact same and had the exact same tastes, yet we as humans spend so much time putting others down for not sharing our own.

Fortunately or unfortunately, this depends on the view of the beholder.

We are all individual unique snowflakes that fall from the same sky.

[Hervé]

I think this should be renamed as "Why modern crap makes lots of $$ when palmed off as 'Art'?"

Anyway:

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

William Casey (CIA Director), February 1981.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hmm what is Art?
For some it was/is a way to give secrete messages (In plain sight) (the masters)
It has/is a way to condition the mind and or even control, both directly and subliminally.
It can be a statement and or a story.
It can simply be expression of emotions.
It can be something you might simply love to do or a way to make money.
It can be a visual representation of an idea brought into reality or a stagnated, repeated lack of imagination (Black Square comes to mind when seeing the blue square).
It can be the in crowd where you are seen to be with it or as an outsider not conforming to the crowd

I think of it as: For the love of doing/seeing and or a way to bring into reality an idea/vision.

On the whole now though, it is disappointing, stagnated, after all how many new, imaginative ways to see aspects of this reality can there be?

Having said that I still see many wondrous creative Art works

[Callista]

Posted by BMJ (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PRWJcrRO0GM

Published on 30 Mar 2017

And why the cancer is spreading to popular culture.

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Note: Some might not like his style but I do.

I like the point of the video that is "Modern Art is Absolute Crap".

This is reinforced by my visit to the National Gallery of Australia were I saw a blue sheet of plastic hanging on the wall.
I mentioned to my friends at the time that it would make a great coffee table or flipped over a great oil catch tray for my car, but I would never hang that on my wall.

Which looked like this:



And this is what art really is, when talent expresses a moment of time in life:

Yes I thoroughly agree with you BMJ - I love the Baroque era when music and art were meaningful. I really enjoy Joseph P Farrell's Dialogues (which are available to members of Giza Death Star) with Daniel DiGriz where they have been discussing this very subject. When we lose meaningful culture, we have lost the game. Why do you think Putin is guarding the Russian culture so closely?

[norman]

"Modern Art" has been around a very long time now.

If we just take the art since the 1980s, we should take a close look at Charles Saatchi. His influence on the art scene has made a deliberate mockery of it. Artists sprang up who were little more than an advertising mad scientist's lab rats.

[lunaflare]

One can assume that works selected for a gallery are the best offering from our society...
so who does the selecting?
That is the question that needs to be asked.

A blue sheet of hanging plastic?
um...nope
A can of trash or a guy screaming on a mat for hours?
Nope, again...

This TRASH (you can find the word art in there, actually) is in no way transformative. To be moved, transfixed and emotionally changed by what one sees or experiences are tenets of great art;
Art that is worthy to be hung in a museum or gallery for others to behold. Or literature- novel, prose, poetry-worthy of an award.

Agreed; Baroque, Renaissance, Impressionists are periods that were far more elevated in terms of technique and emotional power.

[The Freedom Train]

I got this feeling when I decided to pound the pavement like my father did back in the day (he had shows in an NYC gallery for his photorealist paintings) to see if i could magically get my nature art photography and sculptural woodcarvings into an NYC gallery. The response was total stonewalling. I looked around at what was being shown in the hottest galleries in the Chelsea district and was floored. Granted, there was some cool stuff in there. But quite a bit of it just left me scratching my head and wondering - WTF?

Here's a photo of one of my dad's paintings - he liked to work with reflective surfaces in his still lifes - metal, glass. The play of color and light was a challenge for him that he captured very well in paint.

[betoobig]

there are amazing pieces of modern art, now days, anywhere... art allways needs awe from the eye who witness it plus an open non judgamental mind...
i will love to see that big blue thing hanging...
Much love

[Ewan]

Modern art deadens the mind, it is an expression of nothing. Hans Christian Anderson would be laughing his head off, (or banging it against a wall), at the people that 'coo' over it.

[Bluegreen]

Its like anything else
Take what works for you and leave the rest

[enfoldedblue]

I sooo don't agree with this post. Generally this is the stance of someone who thinks art should be about making pretty things to look at. I used to work in an Aboriginal art gallery and the amount of time people came in and looked at a painting and said something like "my kid could do that" was telling of how art is percieved by the masses. The reality is that yes their kid might be able to do it, but that is because their kid is still loose and free. By the time we are adults we have lost that magical loose quality and thus it become a challenge to breakdown internal programming enough to be able to recapture that innocence and simplicity that comes naturally as a child.
This is just one example of the way art is often misinterpreted by those who haven't delved deep enough onto the culture. The real point is that art isn't about making visually stunning images (alrhough that can be one aspect)...it is about exploring our world through visual representation.... it is a vehicle that can be used to examine and express aspects of our culture... from the most beautiful to the most disgusting.
Unfortunately our culture has a lot of dark and ugly aspects which is why there is so much contemporary art that explores these themes. Art is a reflection of who we are as a society. The good thing is that good art can be a powerful force that acts to expose disturbing aspects that might go unnoticed...and challenge our perception of the world.
The beauty of Contemporary art is that there are no rules. ..anyone is free to express their ideas whether they are sublimely beatiful, or horrible.
One of the most powerful exhibits i ever saw was hundreds of small charcoal drawings that covered the walls and ceiling of a small room. The drawing weren't technically good...they were messy and the subject matter was heavy and disturbing. A lot of people just glanced in the room and immediately judged it negatively. But the idea of the exhibition was that each drawing represented the artist's memories and the small space represented the artist's subconscious. And when a person entered the room and allowed themselves to be surrounded by all the dark imagery they got the sense of how oppressive and horrible it would feel to live in that artist's mind.

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

I suppose art is the way of expression and it's not a competition. Anyone can create works of beauty and wonder.
However "contemporary" anything is usually transient and only the real gems will remain unforgettable throughout the times.
I get that some artists want to "send a message" in unconventional ways and real art has to touch the viewer in some way.

For example only artists with incredible talent could create something like this.
A painting of nature which I could look for hours at a time and still be moved every time when looking at it.
Pure divine magnificence expresing itself through us humans. Real beauty will never fade.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by betoobig (here)
there are amazing pieces of modern art, now days, anywhere... art allways needs awe from the eye who witness it plus an open non judgamental mind...
i will love to see that big blue thing hanging...
Much love

I sort of get that blue thing too ... at first glance it looks stupid and not very artsy, but it is clearly made froma bunch of brush strokes that are barely distinct. From the very very slight variation, you can start to see images - just pareidolia I am sure, similar to seeing things in random patterns or clouds, so, I sort of get it. Had it not had this feature, I would think of it not really impressive.

The issue I see is sometimes the ridiculous money paid, often just for the artists name and not for the piece itself; This is disingenuous in my opinion.

Posted by Callista (here)
... I love the Baroque era when music and art were meaningful ...

I too harken for the days of creativity that allowed Baroque to flourish ... as though I were there ... in a past life perhaps.

[Fellow Aspirant]

LOL! I think maybe you have encountered a Klein. He (Yves Klein) was a painter who, for awhile in his career, explored humans' emotional reactions to pure colour, and he became famous for it. He fell in love with a particular shade of blue, like the one you have shown. He did entire shows using enormous panels of this one shade. I guess you had to love it or hate it, but I find myself very attracted to it. My response has been the same for my whole life - if I could, I would wallow in it. Yet I am at a loss to explain its attraction - it's immediate and visceral and spiritual at the same time. It was this kind of mysterious response that fascinated Klein, and he vowed to explore it. I guess that's the kind of things that artists do.

Here's a link to the man and his work ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Klein

One of his statements about his search was ...

"I did not like nothing, and thus that I met the empty, the deep empty, the depth of the blue."

Klein even went so far as to patent the shade and name it after himself. Thus we have "International Klein Blue".

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Klein_Blue

To see a collection of his images from this period, do a Google Image Search for 'International Klein Blue', and prepare to be astounded. Or not.

An important aspect of modern art is the philosophy that generates it and tries to explain the nature of the artist's quest. The viewer's take on a work is always an entirely personal one; however, if the viewer digs a little bit into the "why" of a piece, he or she is usually rewarded with a better appreciation of what the piece is and represents and often finds something about it to like.

Or maybe it was a protective tarp some workers left hanging by mistake.

Assigning a monetary value to emotional responses, though, launches one into the world of Capitalism. Let's not go there.

Just for snicks, though, why not compare "modern art" to some old school stuff, like this



One of these red 'dots' has been dated to 40 000 years BC. The cool thing is that there is no identifiable purpose for it (or them). It is not 'representational'. It is not intended to look like any thing in the 'real world', outside the cave. It was created by a human being who wanted to express some thing that he or she was feeling or thinking. In short, it is abstract.

Kinda makes one wonder about what 'modern' art really is, eh?

And like any good piece of modern art, it makes you think about your world.

B.

[araucaria]

Interesting that a portrait by Leonardo da Vinci should be taken to illustrate the point being made. Only the other day I was posting about how the most scathing critic of a Leonardo portrait was da Vinci himself: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1143037

It’s a bit of a long read, but this is a complex subject, and it explains why such a gifted artist painted so very few pictures, and even deliberately sabotaged the Last Supper by using the wrong media in the wrong way.