High profile people born with the opposite sex

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
One cannot burn down a functional edifice that goes back genetically, for a million years, all due to a political, opportunist, and predatory moment - in modern exploited times.

I''m not interested in complicating life for 0.5% of the population or being mean to them, or making life miserable..... I'm interested in protecting the function of +99.5% over that exploited 0.5%.

And it really comes down to: Get the hell out of the women's bathroom. Or be forced out.

I agree 100%...

I'm sorry if I derailed akerons thread with the blog post, I felt it was relevant to the question of this whole very new trans issue being intentional and by design.

I think there might be a bit of that - I believe there is - at least to the extent Bruno expressed (wonderment) ... but I think msome of it may just the result of a major change toward the acceptance of "others" - let's face it, LGBTQ acceptance has exploded as a result of lack of that acceptance in the past - to the point of unbalance and over emphasis. Like any rapid change, there is also the settling effect, like a reducing sine wave, as what was the actual normality but not accepted, now gets a conscious recognition; some time in "way over-emphasis" is spent as that alignment normalizes.

[bobme]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
One cannot burn down a functional edifice that goes back genetically, for a million years, all due to a political, opportunist, and predatory moment - in modern exploited times.

I''m not interested in complicating life for 0.5% of the population or being mean to them, or making life miserable..... I'm interested in protecting the function of +99.5% over that exploited 0.5%.

And it really comes down to: Get the hell out of the women's bathroom. Or be forced out.

I agree 100%...

I'm sorry if I derailed akerons thread with the blog post, I felt it was relevant to the question of this whole very new trans issue being intentional and by design.

I think there might be a bit of that - I believe there is - at least to the extent Bruno expressed (wonderment) ... but I think msome of it may just the result of a major change toward the acceptance of "others" - let's face it, LGBTQ acceptance has exploded as a result of lack of that acceptance in the past - to the point of unbalance and over emphasis. Like any rapid change, there is also the settling effect, like a reducing sine wave, as what was the actual normality but not accepted, now gets a conscious recognition; some time in "way over-emphasis" is spent as that alignment normalizes.

what I wonder, is where are the male figures when this occured? Not the one in the womans restroom, but the ones outside waiting for the women to come out of them. Husbands or fathers or boyfreinds. I personally would not let a male into a female restroom. I am not a bulky man at all, rather thin honestly. Yet I know when something is not quite right. Respect of privacy is nearing an extinction in these times at hand. So sorry that happened.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by bobme (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
One cannot burn down a functional edifice that goes back genetically, for a million years, all due to a political, opportunist, and predatory moment - in modern exploited times.

I''m not interested in complicating life for 0.5% of the population or being mean to them, or making life miserable..... I'm interested in protecting the function of +99.5% over that exploited 0.5%.

And it really comes down to: Get the hell out of the women's bathroom. Or be forced out.

I agree 100%...

I'm sorry if I derailed akerons thread with the blog post, I felt it was relevant to the question of this whole very new trans issue being intentional and by design.

I think there might be a bit of that - I believe there is - at least to the extent Bruno expressed (wonderment) ... but I think msome of it may just the result of a major change toward the acceptance of "others" - let's face it, LGBTQ acceptance has exploded as a result of lack of that acceptance in the past - to the point of unbalance and over emphasis. Like any rapid change, there is also the settling effect, like a reducing sine wave, as what was the actual normality but not accepted, now gets a conscious recognition; some time in "way over-emphasis" is spent as that alignment normalizes.
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what I wonder, is where are the male figures when this occured? Not the one in the womans restroom, but the ones outside waiting for the women to come out of them. Husbands or fathers or boyfreinds. I personally would not let a male into a female restroom. I am not a bulky man at all, rather thin honestly. Yet I know when something is not quite right. Respect of privacy is nearing an extinction in these times at hand. So sorry that happened.

Personally, I've never experienced it myself -- Never seen a guy go into a woman's public restroom. So I can't really say how I personally would respond for sure. Maybe we need an extra washroom ... in many places in th eworld unisex washrooms are the complete norm,. When I went to expo86 in Vancouver, the washrooms the set up there were unisex .. I mean there were stalls and all that but the common area in them wasn't "mens" nor "womens". Also I didn't die or anything, so I guess that is a bonus.

My point was more to Shannon than Carmody and more umbrella to the thread as opposed to a response to Carmody specifically.

[bobme]

Or maybe we need more respect for privacy. My point is there is right, and wrong, in a human aspect of respect. I do not wish harm upon anyone. Yet I can see the herding of the people into the no sex attitude. That harms all. Separation is what occurs when the thought of no gender is introduced. Men are men, and women are women. both equal. Yet very distinct in anatomy. My reply was to the ladies in the restroom, all of them. the masculine failed to show up and assist you. I apologise to you for that.

[Akeron]

Let's return some of the attention back to anatomy, please.

Starting the video at the 8:48 mark ( https://youtu.be/gOevhrb01V8?t=528 -- Less than 5 minutes needed ) they explain that if you draw a line from the lower armpit to the hipjoint a male will show a straight torso whereas a female will have an hourglass shape. I am now wondering whether this is a 100% case with people that are thin or have a muscular build.

Can anyone say something about this?

[Innocent Warrior]

I just checked on my friend, who is definitely male and always has been, he's thin and muscular and his line matches Bieber's, just not curvy as he doesn't have fat there.

[Akeron]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
I just checked on my friend, who is definitely male and always has been, he's thin and muscular and his line matches Bieber's, just not curvy as he doesn't have fat there.

Thank you for checking. Now just to be clear... you are saying that he has the indentation point above the navel as shown on the right?

[Innocent Warrior]

Correct, roughly an inch above.

I also got him to twist a bit to replicate the first image of Bieber, which accentuated the indent.

[Akeron]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Correct, roughly an inch above.

I also got him to twist a bit to replicate the first image of Bieber, which accentuated the indent.

After looking through pictures of male torsos (which is not particularly fun for me) I have to admit there is really no sure way to tell and the video above might just have set out to prove what they wanted to see.

[Akeron]

It appears as if I should have investigated the channels themselves... before looking at the arguments presented in some videos. It's much more revealing but you're always smarter afterwards ^^

[Is it okay to name names?]

MrE3000 -- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAg...L9bMTYw/videos
Yahweh Rules -- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb-...Py9IUdw/videos

Case closed.

[Innocent Warrior]

LOL.

Yes, perhaps. I showed my friend the images and his response was that Tom Cruise is a nugget and that just seems like different body types.

Note that Bieber's wings (can't remember what those muscles on his side, between his pectorals and biceps, are called) are quite large too.

[Akeron]

Now, in my defense... things are not always as obvious as they seem.

Aydian Dowling: Becoming the Ultimate Guy ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwkVMjnYPpA )

[Ewan]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
LOL.

Yes, perhaps. I showed my friend the images and his response was that Tom Cruise is a nugget and that just seems like different body types.

Note that Bieber's wings (can't remember what those muscles on his side, between his pectorals and biceps, are called) are quite large too.

Well I'm none the wiser - nugget

Australian Slang
1. testicle;
2. short muscular man or animal;
3. hard knob of faeces;
4. apply any shoe polish and buff the footware to shiny.

Number 2 perhaps?

[Innocent Warrior]

Yes, it's number two, apologies for the slang.

[webyourstuff]

Ever occur to anyone that the political agenda is to make reasons where couples are not likely to have babies. You know, Georgia Guidestones and Agenda 21 and all.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I am 100% for tolerance, for all people and all peoples in however they want to express themselves - as long as no other is being harmed. That's just a basic moral standard. But this modern trend for transgenderism, and blurring the lines between genders, feels a little different, and it is a bit disturbing. It reminds me of the early 80s and the explosion of synth-pop and the New Romance movement. Think Adam and the Ants or Flock of Seagulls. I remember the first time I saw Boy George performing on the TV. I couldn't tell, my sister couldn't tell, and my parents (to their considerable Christian dismay) couldn't tell, that he/she was actually a man. That was merely overt transvestitism, but no one had seen anything like that before on TV. The inner lens/filter of gender perception was not so finely calibrated in those days, and it just could not distinguish the difference.

It is a different but similar phenomenon today. Today, it feels as though transgenderism is being normalized – and that's okay, let's make that clear, but what is not so okay is how, to some degree, it is being normalized to the extent that it surpasses "normal", elevating it above that category to special-class citizenry, at the expense of the normal. Case in point: transgender persons using women's bathrooms. That is not okay!

Film, television, and music is actively encouraging social awareness of the transgender status, and whilst doing so, taking some sort of perverse delight in exalting even fetishizing it. Could there be some transgender people out there, particularly in celebrity, that are taking advantage of this tendency, not because they identify wholly as transgender, but merely because it's hip/modern/chic, and feeds the narcissist within? or alternatively, to gain the status of *being* this special class citizen, and to socially profit from it?

To take, for a moment, the metaphysical/spiritual stance: we are all consciousness, we are all eternal beings, and we are all the one same energy. However, in this human experience there are 'cadences' of energy that align either more with the feminine, or more with the masculine - though at spiritual heart-centre we are neither. But a soul will often identify with one leaning or the other in degrees usually relative to the incarnations they have experienced (as one or the other), and what personally feels most comfortable to them in how they experience, create, and express. Sometimes in a soul's journey it is necessary to break with one's personal gender comfort zone in order to regain balance, so they will incarnate as the gender they are less familiar or comfortable with. The result can often lead to a difficult and confusing life experience. A female-aligned energy in a male body may translate in a number of different ways, resolving in same-sex orientation for example, and/or gender identity issues. It's all fine. It's part of the experience and all part of the journey.

But are the powers that be, and the politically-correct liberal masses, attempting to push society down a path of -no perceivable genders- that it is not yet ready to take? I feel the answer is yes. The result is, that the vast majority of people, particularly women, are having their rights and personal boundaries infringed and demoralized by a radical minority. And that is wrong. Ultimately, yes, we are all one. Ultimately there aren't, spiritually speaking, any genders at all. But at present, in our physical experience, there are genders. Two genders. I feel that a social engineering effort is underway to knowingly and forcibly distort these gender barriers for some purpose other than enlightenment, tolerance, or equality...to eventually lead who knows where.

[Akeron]

I've started a new thread over here that kind of deals with the subject raised by so many that is *not* transgender specific but rather about how society deals with political correctness. Since this is very important I thought it deserves its own space so feel free to join us in discussing the topic.

[Shannon]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Yes, it's number two, apologies for the slang.

Off topic ...

Innocent warrior omg I lmao over "nugget"!

My goal is to get all of NYC to start using it!


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Back to topic...

That pic of the bieb, to me, looks like he had some fat taken out of mid section there. His angle is such that it could just that a weird camera angle but it's def feminine.

I don't think there's too many real transsexuals that are hiding now a days (in Hollywood that is) It's much more lucrative to come out and get a book deal and reality show.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Yes, it's number two, apologies for the slang.

Off topic ...

Innocent warrior omg I lmao over "nugget"!

My goal is to get all of NYC to start using it!

Careful lol. As I recall, some years ago, there was a particular member here (the one and only Lord Sidious!) that used the term 'nugget' over and over and over again. Literally everything was nugget this, nugget that. It did get annoying, and eventually he got banned! Which was a shame, because beyond his fixation for 'nuggets' he was a valued poster.

[Shannon]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Yes, it's number two, apologies for the slang.

Off topic ...

Innocent warrior omg I lmao over "nugget"!

My goal is to get all of NYC to start using it!

Careful lol. As I recall, some years ago, there was a particular member here (the one and only Lord Sidious!) that used the term 'nugget' over and over and over again. Literally everything was nugget this, nugget that. It did get annoying, and eventually he got banned! Which was a shame, because beyond his fixation for 'nuggets' he was a valued poster.

Okay okay....I'll keep the nugget for my inside voice ;P

Too funny. Thanks Star Mariner