Trump - "Illegal" immigration - Sam's view

[abmqa]

Posted by Helene West (here)
]If we don't start differentiating in our thinking, speaking and discussing, that is, being careful how we name things, discussion is meaningless.

You are absolutely correct with this statement

Posted by Helene West (here)
The purpose of modern immigration is to dilute and disempower the white race in every white or formerly white country.

Posted by Helene West (here)
The globalists are white but they do not practice 'diversity' or identify with whites outside of their class. They preach and mandate diversity to us peasants but they marry only their own class - that is what a ruling class does.

Your comments started me thinking. In particular where you say the "white race" and "white country".

It made me wonder what does it mean to be "White"? But not only white in a "white society" but the social impacts that affect all of the people living in a "white country" or society.

The following is a perspective from a "white" person.

I'd be very interested in hearing your views.

By Robin DiAngelo

I AM white. I have spent years studying what it means to be white in a society that proclaims race meaningless, yet is deeply divided by race. This is what I have learned: Any white person living in the United States will develop opinions about race simply by swimming in the water of our culture.

But mainstream sources — schools, textbooks, media and anecdotal evidence — don’t provide us with the multiple perspectives we need. Yes, we will develop strong emotionally laden opinions, but they will not be informed opinions. Our socialization renders us racially illiterate.

This illiteracy was evident in the debate about the Seattle Gilbert & Sullivan Society production of “The Mikado” and its casting of non-Asian actors in 40 Japanese roles.

To understand the crux of white racial illiteracy illustrated by the debate, consider a typical computer user. The user is proficient and knows all the basics — Word, email, spreadsheets. But when the user has a technical problem and tries to explain it to the IT department, communication breaks down. The user gets defensive, feeling talked down to by tech support. Tech support gets frustrated because the user doesn’t know how computers actually work and can’t comprehend its instructions.

Like a nontechnical user trying to understand a technical problem, our racial illiteracy limits our ability to have meaningful conversations about race.

Mainstream dictionary definitions reduce racism to racial prejudice and the personal actions that result. But this definition does little to explain how racial hierarchies are consistently reproduced.

Social scientists define racism as a multidimensional, highly adaptive system — a system that ensures an unequal distribution of resources among racial groups. The group that controls the institutions controls the distribution and embeds its racial bias into the fabric of society.

In the U.S., while individual whites might be against racism, they still benefit from their group’s control. Yes, an individual person of color can sit at the tables of power, but the overwhelming majority of decision-makers will be white. Yes, white people can have problems and face barriers, but systematic racism won’t be one of them.

This distinction — between individual prejudice and a system of unequal institutionalized racial power — is fundamental. One cannot understand how racism functions in the U.S. today if one ignores group power relations.

While the following do not apply to every white person, they are well-documented white patterns and beliefs that make it difficult for white people to understand racism as a system:

• Segregation: Most whites live, grow, play, learn, love, work and die primarily in racial segregation. Yet, our society does not teach us to see this as a loss. Pause for a moment and consider the magnitude of this message: We lose nothing of value by not having cross-racial relationships. In fact, the whiter our schools and neighborhoods are, the more likely they are to be seen as “good.” This is an example of the relentless messages of white superiority that circulate all around us, shaping our identities and perspectives.

• Individualism: Whites are taught to see themselves as individuals, rather than as part of a racial group. It follows that we are racially objective and thus can represent the universal human experience, while people of color can only represent their race. Seeing ourselves as unracialized individuals, we take umbrage when generalizations are made about us as a group. This enables us to ignore systemic racial patterns.

• Focus on intentions over impact: We are taught that racism must be intentional and that only bad people commit it. Thus a common white reasoning in cross-racial conflicts is that as long as we are good people and didn’t intend to perpetuate racism, then our actions don’t count as racism. But racism doesn’t depend on conscious intent. In fact, much of racism is unconscious. Further, when we focus on intent we are essentially saying that the impact of our behavior on others is irrelevant.

• White fragility: In a white dominant society, challenges to a white worldview are uncommon. The racial status quo is comfortable for us. We haven’t had to develop the skills, perspectives, or humility that would help us engage constructively. As a result, we have very little tolerance for racial discomfort and respond poorly.

Putting this all together, you get the outcomes we see in “The Mikado” controversy.

When actors audition, they are most often judged by white people, using white standards for roles written by white writers and intended for white audiences. The outcomes of a specific audition are the cumulative result of this historic control.

Precisely because the system reflects white interests and worldview, white people will not see any of this in racial terms. They are confident that we can represent all of humanity — if no Asian actors apply, we don’t question casting efforts.

Because the egregious depictions of Asians in the opera are not intended as racist (and because so many whites enjoy these depictions), the racist impact is denied. When racism is pointed out, umbrage ensues.

The understanding of racism as a social system of unequal power is generally termed antiracism. An antiracism framework will help any white person become more racially literate and navigate most any racial conflict. We can begin by acknowledging ourselves as having a particular and necessarily limited perspective on race. That acknowledgment engenders humility rather than certitude.

Thinking in terms of structures and patterns, not individual acts or good and bad people, is foundational. Putting ourselves in situations that challenge and stretch our racial worldviews, while uncomfortable, builds our racial stamina.

Finally, we need to focus on impact rather than intent. On Aug. 18, the Seattle Repertory Theatre and the City of Seattle are holding a community dialogue about “The Mikado.” This is a great opportunity for whites to practice these skills.

Let me be clear. I don’t see myself or other whites as bad. Racism is a system that we did not create, but it’s one that we did inherit. We must take responsibility to see and challenge it both within and around us. The first step? Have some humility and listen.

Robin DiAngelo is an associate professor of education at Westfield State University in Massachusetts. She teaches and writes extensively on whiteness. Her latest book is “What Does it Mean to Be White? Developing White Racial Literacy.

Sorry about the misaligned quotes. I'm such a noob to this editing system

[TargeT]

the white guilt is thick with that one... haha

Robin DiAngelo is an associate professor of education at Westfield State University in Massachusetts. She teaches and writes extensively on whiteness

What the hell have our schools come to? This is just as bad as the rampant victim-ism taught in Israeli schools.

[Desire]

The schools are teaching the NWO immigration, inclusion agenda on us.. but so many people are sleeping they just don't see that they are being manipulated.

[Sierra]

Posted by Abmqa
Our socialization renders us racially illiterate.

Have you seen Sam's thread on baby's exposure to a diversity of faces? It seems to nip racism in the bud (literally a baby bud, lol.)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1146562

Social scientists define racism as a multidimensional, highly adaptive system — a system that ensures an unequal distribution of resources among racial groups. The group that controls the institutions controls the distribution and embeds its racial bias into the fabric of society.

Bingo. That is why it is SO important to clean up the institutions first, i.e remove Confederate flag from state government buildings, take down statues of Confederate "heroes", from public squares etc. Glacially slow, but progress *is* being made, usually when something dreadful happens (children being gunned down in church a lá Dylann Roof (the latest American mass murderer and white supremacist).

[AutumnW]

The managerial class and business owners LOVE the cheap labor. Let the Mexicans who work their asses off stay and deport people who hire them and then want to legislate them out of the country.

[Sierra]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The managerial class and business owners LOVE the cheap labor. Let the Mexicans who work their asses off stay and deport people who hire them and then want to legislate them out of the country.

Indeed, schizophrenic behavior anyone?

A few years ago, Arizona got nasty with their farm workers. Next year, crops rotted in the fields. You'd a thunk it would be obvious their behavior would hit them where it hurts.

And most people (on the American US side) DON'T want the wall Trump is so hot to build to the tune of billions of dollars, that could be used to rebuild our infrastructure. (Neither do the herds that migrate across the border. But hey, we don't care about our fauna these days.)

[TargeT]

Posted by Sierra (here)
And most people (on the American US side) DON'T want the wall Trump is so hot to build to the tune of billions of dollars, that could be used to rebuild our infrastructure. (Neither do the herds that migrate across the border. But hey, we don't care about our fauna these days.)

Important side note:

Did you know that 15 billion dollars is ~0.375% of the annual federal budget?

[Sierra]

Very unimportant side note.

15 billion is not the actual amount needed to build a wall. The amount whatever it is, can be used to do good, not evil.

Crops still rotted in the fields, and as I said, the current fascist regime don't care about our fauna.

Really? You are still going to quote me after (your unseemly barrage) I asked you to leave me alone?

Stay away from me Target, with your clearly biased alternative facts.

Stay away from me as you said you would in your PM to me.

[abmqa]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Abmqa
Our socialization renders us racially illiterate.

Have you seen Sam's thread on baby's exposure to a diversity of faces? It seems to nip racism in the bud (literally a baby bud, lol.)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1146562

Social scientists define racism as a multidimensional, highly adaptive system — a system that ensures an unequal distribution of resources among racial groups. The group that controls the institutions controls the distribution and embeds its racial bias into the fabric of society.

Bingo. That is why it is SO important to clean up the institutions first, i.e remove Confederate flag from state government buildings, take down statues of Confederate "heroes", from public squares etc. Glacially slow, but progress *is* being made, usually when something dreadful happens (children being gunned down in church a lá Dylann Roof (the latest American mass murderer and white supremacist).

Sierra - I think that you are correct. Please see the video below that addresses exactly what you are referring to.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cOQwnvJwilA

[abmqa]

Posted by TargeT (here)
the white guilt is thick with that one... haha

Robin DiAngelo is an associate professor of education at Westfield State University in Massachusetts. She teaches and writes extensively on whiteness

What the hell have our schools come to? This is just as bad as the rampant victim-ism taught in Israeli schools.

Target - I'm not sure that I agree with your assessment.

Firstly, the link that you have provided requires a subscription in order to read the article , therefore I am unable to respond to your attempt to draw an analogy, if that was your intent.

Secondly, your first comment is extremely lacking in substance. I have seen you post intelligently and constructively in many, many posts here at PA and am surprised and disappointed by your failure to cogently address at least one of the many points made by Robin DiAngelo.

I do find it telling that your post fit in the category listed by Robin DiAngelo as follows:

"White fragility: In a white dominant society, challenges to a white worldview are uncommon. The racial status quo is comfortable for us. We haven’t had to develop the skills, perspectives, or humility that would help us engage constructively. As a result, we have very little tolerance for racial discomfort and respond poorly."

Lastly, though you might find it humorous, I See Nothing Funny About Systematic Racism.

[marique3652]

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
The purpose of modern immigration is to dilute and disempower the white race in every white or formerly white country.

Just wow.

You might need to ponder what it means to be American.
Here is some help

New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

America is an idea, not a piece of land. It is the ideas of liberty freedom and justice FOR ALL. Sam, if you want solutions, it is standing right in front of you. I see one simple test. Either you believe in those ideals and are welcomed freely into our country, or you leave. And currently, many so called americans should be shown the door as they dont actually share american values. Lady liberty is weeping . . .

I agree up to a point, but having common sense to averting danger is also prudent too.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
The purpose of modern immigration is to dilute and disempower the white race in every white or formerly white country.

Just wow.

You might need to ponder what it means to be American.
Here is some help

New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

America is an idea, not a piece of land. It is the ideas of liberty freedom and justice FOR ALL. Sam, if you want solutions, it is standing right in front of you. I see one simple test. Either you believe in those ideals and are welcomed freely into our country, or you leave. And currently, many so called americans should be shown the door as they dont actually share american values. Lady liberty is weeping . . .

I agree up to a point that America should take in the poor, the homeless, the tempest tossed. However are we as a whole supposed to welcome people who hate us, are jealous, and want to destroy this country and take it over, to rape our women, cut off our daughter's clitorises, rape our children, beat our women, stone them and behead them or kill family members if they wish because they worship a murderous, bloodthirsty pedophile who advocated that anyone that does not believe in allah should be killed? As a freedom loving American I welcome immigrants but do not welcome people who wish us harm, and I am sorry if that makes me a bad person. Would you want a male Muslim babysitting for your children, and would you trust them alone with your daughters and wives. If the answer is no then that is because it is unwise to invite someone whom believes in violence and rape into your home. I just call that common sense. Would you put your child in a room with many poisonous snakes and some snakes that are not, would you risk it that they may get bitten by a poisonous snake. Just asking. Now I am sure you think me a bad American, but welcoming concept sometimes has to use some reasoning too. Muslims as a whole do not want to assimilate, they want to take over our country. I for one want a future for my granddaughter where she does not have to live in fear. I for one do not want to see life for women like back into the dark ages where they are just objects for a man's pleasure. I for one do not want to have to stay inside to avoid being raped or mugged or killed. Read the other day that some mayor in Sweden told the women to just get used to staying inside, and not going to public places as they may get raped or killed or both, and that they just should get used to it. I do not want that for America, but if you collectively do, then I guess I am a horrible person, a Muslimophobe. Sorry for the ramble but it makes me feel good to get it out, lol.

Sounds like FOX news. And racist fearmongering.

Here's a quick self-test:

All women are __________. <--- fill-in the correct word.




.




.




.




OK, what was the correct word?

The only possible correct answers are "unique" or "different."

Get it? (All Blacks are ______. All left-handed people are _______. All Muslims are ______. All Christians are ______.)

You are taking an enormous group of individuals, and based on a single factor, you are pre-judging the entire group (as having the worst behavior possible.) This is prejudice. This is bigotry.

Are you a Christian? If you are a Christian woman, you could be stoned to death in the town square for speaking on the sabbath without a male's permission and for displeasing God by wearing fabric woven of more than one fiber. If you really piss him off (note I said "him" - the God of Christianity clearly identifies as a man), you might cause a flood and wipe us all out, so watch it!

(You have lived your entire life right surrounded by people that are members of one of the three most violent religions - the Abrahamic religions. Stop being so scared.)

This crap doesn't belong on Project Avalon. It is divisive, prejudicial, alarmist, fear-mongering, playing into the hands of the Controllers that want the latest boogeymen, Muslims, demonized to fuel the fear to manipulate you and millions of others to acquiesce to war and death and oil and gas pipelines and US military bases and global control. TURN OFF YOUR TV. Avalon is a coming together of humanity, not a division of humanity into racist cliques.

[Innocent Warrior]

Mod hat off

All women are __________. <--- fill-in the correct word.

Glorious! I'm left handed, so that makes me a unique, glorious woman.

Seriously though, as of 2010 there were 1.6 billion Muslims, roughly 23% of the world's population. Any statement that reads, all Muslims are _________ <- insert any word other than Muslim or human, is going to be a inaccurate.

Meaning, yes I would hire a male Muslim babysitter, I wouldn't give a sh*t if my babysitter was Muslim, Christian or otherwise, I'd only care that he/she will take excellent care of my child.

[turiya]

You have lived your entire life right surrounded by people that are members of one of the three most violent religions - the Abrahamic religions. Stop being so scared.

Just to throw in my 2 cents worth...

Its about time that humanity comes to realize something very basic. And that very basic thing concerns what is presently being called 'religion'.

To think that one can reach to a 'heaven' by taking a mass transit bus or train system (i.e. belonging to a certain so-called 'established' religion), one has been deluded, brainwashed, manipulated into believing in a certain ideology - a fairytale of sorts. And that fairytale is that one can take a mass transit system - bus, train, plane - in order to get to a place called 'heaven' that exists elsewhere. And, that mass transit system is called an "established religion".

Granted... for most people are programmed from childhood to be indoctrinated into accepting a certain set of religious beliefs. Once that is done, then one becomes part of the flock, the sheeple of that particular so-called 'religion'.

Whether it is Christian, Islamic , Judaic, Buddhist, etc., etc. - These are basically cults that perform ritualistic practices - whether these practices have you kneel down 5 times a day, or go to a church or synagogue once a week, or repeat certain phrases, a mantra, over & over again - & call it 'prayer'. These individuals have simply become a member of a certain cult. The brainwashing begins at a very early age in the process. The ideology is ingrained into the psyche of an individual. Once that is done, it is very difficult to become clear of it, to deprogram oneself.

To acquire a babysitter for your children, one would reasonably, rationally, pragmatically, vette the person that one would invite into your home to be with your children. That would be the most logical, reasonable thing to do. Screen the person, vette the person, get to know the individual... that is what vetting involves.

Also know this, one that belongs to one of the so-called "established religions", know well, that you are welcoming into your home a brainwashed individual... and that person belongs to a certain cult... And, for the most part, individuals in general are brainwashed to a certain degree or other. That is what human beings are about.

Human beings are cable of doing just about anything... forget about racism, forget about bigotry, forget about whatever label that you want to call somebody... just screen the indiividuals that you invite into your home. Period.

So do your own vetting on which human being you will welcome into your home and be with your own children. Its the same thing - vetting - that should be done with welcoming people into a nation of people.

But to say that one is discriminated against because of one's religion... Well, that is certainly an absurdity, imo. Whatever religion one is claiming to belong. Its a cult. Its not a religion. Get over it.

The truth of the matter is that real religion... to be truly religious - it is an 'individual & personal' affair. Its not a group travel. Its not possible to take a charter flight with millions of others to reach to heaven. On the contrary, one travels alone... going within oneself to reach the treasure that everyone is seeking outwardly - it is the path least traveled.

The following video some may find disturbing...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHv3ccox6L4

[Chester]

Brilliant post, turiya.

I understand.

Yes, "get over it."

Yet, I am not holding my breath.

[marique3652]

Ok, I get your point, and have been summarily kicked to the curb. I will delete the post as it "does not belong on Project Avalon" as you say. I guess the only people who should comment are the people who agree with things, so I have learned my lesson. I see what is going on in the world in other countries and do not want that for the US. That is my option, I will just keep my fears to myself and not share anything here. I rarely post anyway for the reason that if one does not feel the same way as the consensus, it just pisses everyone off. So you stand victorious in squelching my opinion and right to have one. I guess it comes from raising 11 sons, my protective streak of seeing danger for my sons and trying to avert disaster. But you are right, one should not care about this countries welfare, let it be a free for all, to be a nice person. I GUESS I SUCK.

[marique3652]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
The purpose of modern immigration is to dilute and disempower the white race in every white or formerly white country.

Just wow.

You might need to ponder what it means to be American.
Here is some help

New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

America is an idea, not a piece of land. It is the ideas of liberty freedom and justice FOR ALL. Sam, if you want solutions, it is standing right in front of you. I see one simple test. Either you believe in those ideals and are welcomed freely into our country, or you leave. And currently, many so called americans should be shown the door as they dont actually share american values. Lady liberty is weeping . . .

I agree up to a point that America should take in the poor, the homeless, the tempest tossed. However are we as a whole supposed to welcome people who hate us, are jealous, and want to destroy this country and take it over, to rape our women, cut off our daughter's clitorises, rape our children, beat our women, stone them and behead them or kill family members if they wish because they worship a murderous, bloodthirsty pedophile who advocated that anyone that does not believe in allah should be killed? As a freedom loving American I welcome immigrants but do not welcome people who wish us harm, and I am sorry if that makes me a bad person. Would you want a male Muslim babysitting for your children, and would you trust them alone with your daughters and wives. If the answer is no then that is because it is unwise to invite someone whom believes in violence and rape into your home. I just call that common sense. Would you put your child in a room with many poisonous snakes and some snakes that are not, would you risk it that they may get bitten by a poisonous snake. Just asking. Now I am sure you think me a bad American, but welcoming concept sometimes has to use some reasoning too. Muslims as a whole do not want to assimilate, they want to take over our country. I for one want a future for my granddaughter where she does not have to live in fear. I for one do not want to see life for women like back into the dark ages where they are just objects for a man's pleasure. I for one do not want to have to stay inside to avoid being raped or mugged or killed. Read the other day that some mayor in Sweden told the women to just get used to staying inside, and not going to public places as they may get raped or killed or both, and that they just should get used to it. I do not want that for America, but if you collectively do, then I guess I am a horrible person, a Muslimophobe. Sorry for the ramble but it makes me feel good to get it out, lol.

Sounds like FOX news. And racist fearmongering.

Here's a quick self-test:

All women are __________. <--- fill-in the correct word.




.




.




.




OK, what was the correct word?

The only possible correct answers are "unique" or "different."

Get it? (All Blacks are ______. All left-handed people are _______. All Muslims are ______. All Christians are ______.)

You are taking an enormous group of individuals, and based on a single factor, you are pre-judging the entire group (as having the worst behavior possible.) This is prejudice. This is bigotry.

Are you a Christian? If you are a Christian woman, you could be stoned to death in the town square for speaking on the sabbath without a male's permission and for displeasing God by wearing fabric woven of more than one fiber. If you really piss him off (note I said "him" - the God of Christianity clearly identifies as a man), you might cause a flood and wipe us all out, so watch it!

(You have lived your entire life right surrounded by people that are members of one of the three most violent religions - the Abrahamic religions. Stop being so scared.)

This crap doesn't belong on Project Avalon. It is divisive, prejudicial, alarmist, fear-mongering, playing into the hands of the Controllers that want the latest boogeymen, Muslims, demonized to fuel the fear to manipulate you and millions of others to acquiesce to war and death and oil and gas pipelines and US military bases and global control. TURN OFF YOUR TV. Avalon is a coming together of humanity, not a division of humanity into racist cliques.

Please let me know how to delete the post, I will gladly do that. Email me or tell me here. I do not want to be known as this site's disgrace. Will delete when I find out how to delete it.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
This crap doesn't belong on Project Avalon. It is divisive, prejudicial, ...
...TURN OFF YOUR TV. Avalon is a coming together of humanity, not a division of humanity into racist cliques.

Please let me know how to delete the post, I will gladly do that. Email me or tell me here. I do not want to be known as this site's disgrace. Will delete when I find out how to delete it.

Hi marique3652 Two suggestions below. The second one may be more immediate if mods aren't available.

Step One: click the triangle @ the bottom, left corner of the post in question. Not only the parties involved can do so, but any member.

Step Two: leave a brief message and the mod team will take it from there.

*****

Second Option: go back and re-edit your post. One example might be “please delete this post”.

♡

[marique3652]

Thanks Running Dear, will try method B first.

[Chester]

Because I created this thread, I am choosing to shift for a moment to something which some might not see as related, but which I see as very pertinent to the recent flow of this thread.


I walked by a store front the other day. I saw an item I was interested in buying and wanted more information. I walked into the store and asked the first clerk I could find if I could get more information about the chair I saw in the storefront window. The clerk responded, "the what?" I replied, "the chair."

The clerk became indignant and informed me they only have furniture in their store. I shook my head..., "Say what?"

The clerk repeated what he said, "Again... we only have furniture in our store."

So I asked him to follow me to the window so I could point out the chair. When I did, I asked him, "Isn't this what we call a chair?"

His response was, "why are you assuming that piece of furniture perceives itself to be a chair?" He then asked me to leave stating, "people with your views are not welcomed in our store." At that point I decided I wouldn't want to buy the chair anyways from such a store.

As I walked out the door, someone passed me and asked... "Did you see any cool tables?" I said, "If I did, I wouldn't say it as just around the corner is UC Berkey." The moment I said that, the would be customer looked at me a bit confused and then... as if a greater truth dawned on him/her, he/she winked at me and nodded and walked back out the door.

And this story is an allegory for what "some folks" wish for the world to become and indeed, in some places... it already has.

Funny how so many folks that are worried about endangered species are bent on the endangerment of free speech.