Trump - "Illegal" immigration - Sam's view

[AutumnW]

Posted by Flash (here)
Listen to this Christian witness

She is 100% right, not exagerating at all, none - she is truthful and explains very well what Islam aims are and how they proceed. THIS IS WHAT IT IS, NO EXAGERATION.

she gives you the history of Islam and Mohammed, which is what is written and what is followed by ISIS and others.

She is right, lots of countries in the Middle East where Christian 60 years ago and are now Muslim, namely Lebanon, Syria (was half Christian, they are all being killed and raped right now), Egypt much more (now 10 millions christians, they were half the population previously), etc.

I am white, blond and a target - I have been told by Arabs here in Canada, that they would marry us, rape us, to make sure we do not have white christian babies but Muslim ones, and they would marry their 4 wifes to make sure they make children and overwhelm us given time. Some are open about it and spit it in our face openly (like the man in the food store who told everyone is was allowed 4 women and would just do it, despite our laws).

This is literally happening in France Marseille, a large city in southern France is now Muslim, Paris is going towards it within 20 years,

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS

My problem is not the religion itself, they could be Buddhist or whatever, the problem is the belief system and the crusade (jihad) and violence that comes with it. This is a very regressive and restrictive religion.

They were chased away from Austria a century ago and had conquest all of Eastern Europe, and were pushed back. The lesson, we invade from the inside by migrating and making children and imposing our beliefs.

Europ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-EbC4fowprY

Whatever they say has a double meaning - always, they are allowed to lie for jihad and it is part of the religious culture.

Some good Muslim explained it all to me (in My city, there is many Muslims), they told me never to trust.

Flash, This is really awful. The 'battle of the cradle' has been practiced by so many and to ill effect. The work around for our society is to provide a dignified model of living that other cultures can respect.

That means, to me, outlawing pornography, for starters. To the uninformed immigrant who is trapped within his/her culture with little access to the outside world, we all appear to be whores.

He believes the media he is exposed to. From watching porn a lot of Islamic men think that Western women enjoy being raped. It's insane, for sure, but I can see how they would reach that conclusion.

Then, as members of NATO, under the Harper government, we bombed Syria. As we don't make clear distinctions between radicals and moderate thinkers, neither do they. There are going to be a few in Canada who loathe us, as a consequence. Do we deserve it? You and I? Heck no. But I can see why it has happened.

[Helene West]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Helene, it is really important to back up extraordinary claims with something. Your last post leaves the impression that the U.S. will eventually have a separate Sharia law state within a state that the government has encouraged. You may have read this somewhere and don't have the time or energy to support it, but the onus really is on you to provide something more than, "a friend told me," or "I read it somewhere."

If it is your opinion that this will happen, state it clearly as such, not as a matter of fact.

Autumn

I have read you go on name calling insulting rants against the president of this country and you don't edit yourself.

I understand what your saying and I'm as concerned. But I also believe in putting an idea out there sometimes that is important. Like I said people have options, they can ignore it, say it's drivel and move on, or look something up themselves as well as demanding Proof Proof. Chances are when same people don't get the 'Proof' they like or want it will go into an unending thread as we have seen happen at times. I'll get back to it because it is important to me. Thx

[turiya]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
My question? How does one wake up an entire world that the Jesus Movement was ALSO hijacked & made into another "controlling" institution?

Foxie Loxie
Like most everyone else... Missing the first step will lead you on a path of many other missed steps that will be taken following that first misstep.

The message of Jesus & all other awakened individuals is to not follow them.... to not be a follower. Don't try to be like Jesus. The whole message, that most Christians are missing, is to not try to be like Jesus... But to be authentically yourself. This is what Jesus was about. He was being authentically himself. Existence doesn't make cabon copies.

The more appropriate question to ask would be:

How does one wake oneself up?

That's all that anybody can really do.
Once that is done, then that is enough.
If you want to wake up the world before you have awakened yourself, well then, this is what has been called a "Messiah complex."

Anyone who thinks they have already awakened, know well, that they are most probably not!

[AutumnW]

Helene, My opinions about Trump are/were obviously that. The statement you made about Sharia law states, being encouraged by government are stated as fact and beyond that provide fuel for anti- Islamic fear.

[TargeT]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
My question? How does one wake up an entire world that the Jesus Movement was ALSO hijacked & made into another "controlling" institution?

Theres a LOT of evidence that christianity and islam were practiced side by side, often in the same churches before both religions were perverted by the parasites.
See this fascinating video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wfqSyFG3fMY

So yes.. clearly all three branches of the abrahamic religion (Islam, Christianity & Judaism) have been split, corrupted and turned against each other.

All the books were burned during the inquisition... our entire history was re-written at that time to what we think to be true now.

This really was the seed that grew into the situation we are at now with islam v the world (or, the world v islam?)

Popular culture encourages this three way divide where ever possible:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xagqiIVW6qk

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The statement you made about Sharia law states, being encouraged by government are stated as fact and beyond that provide fuel for anti- Islamic fear.

That is only true for like 1/4th the planet

The UK has 85 Sharia courts.

Sharia is part of Germany's private law through the regulations of the German international private law. It applies to people with nationalities from countries using Sharia. (a law that only applies to people from certain countries... hmm... I thought the PC crowd woulda shot that one down on principle).

so.. yeah...

[Helene West]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Helene, My opinions about Trump are/were obviously that. The statement you made about Sharia law states, being encouraged by government are stated as fact and beyond that provide fuel for anti- Islamic fear.

Easy on yourself, pretty hard on others from what I've seen.
it wasn't the main point of the post and islam doesn't need me to "provide fuel for anti- Islamic fear", it does a great job all by itself.
But I also knew you'd be the first one to focus on that ...thanks for highlighting the prelude, I need some help to get me away from the computer screen and back to my books.

[AutumnW]

Target, the UK has 85 Sharia courts? But those courts would operate under the greater umbrella of British Law, correct? A woman isn't going to be stoned to death for serving someone a pulled pork sandwich, right? I am hoping the answer is yes!

Whatever the case, there should be one rule of law, the hijab shouldn't be allowed and those who express a deep and abiding hatred of those who have taken them in, (not just misperceptions based on their exposure to the worst aspects of Western media and entertainment) should be sent packing. Bigotry does work both ways.

I am quite sure there are no government endorsed Sharia courts in the U.S. though. And it would take plenty to convince me that the American govt, right or left ever emcouraged any group to try to get that started.

I am striving for accuracy in reports. It doesn't mean I like the radical aspects of any religion. Fundamentalist Christians in the military seem to be as much on the war path as weird Wahhabists in Isis and creepy orthodox Israelis.

As soon as these radicals characterize anybody as evil, the 'evil' group defends itself with behavior starts to match expectations. And nobody does this better than the fundamentalist sects of any religion. Black and white thinking is so ungood.

[Helene West]

Hey Autumn
It just occurred to me - she's nice enough to be reading my posts! I know a lot of people react without reading. So for that thanks!
I'll try to get you your documentation as soon as I can...

[TargeT]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
A woman isn't going to be stoned to death for serving someone a pulled pork sandwich, right?

Not today, no.. But we all should be aware of the "totalitarian tip toe"; we have countless historical examples, this is a real tactic and it works.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Whatever the case, there should be one rule of law,

I certainly agree, I also think there should be a limited number of laws and they should be written to be easily understood as well as accurate.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
the hijab shouldn't be allowed

I think perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to be enforced. but your right, it will just stay hidden.. this is a hard one, because the Hijab is just a symptom of a problem, and banning symptoms does nothing for the problem itself.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
I am quite sure there are no government endorsed Sharia courts in the U.S. though. And it would take plenty to convince me that the American govt, right or left ever emcouraged any group to try to get that started.

That certainly would be an uphill battle, that's for sure.. I don't see it as an eminent threat, but an eventual one... as Sharia law is mandated to be spread by the Quran, and it only takes a few dedicated people to make real change.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Fundamentalist Christians in the military seem to be as much on the war path as weird Wahhabists in Isis and creepy orthodox Israelis.

Ahh, not sure if I agree with that at this point in time... perhaps back during the crusades. but the pendulum never dwells in one spot for long.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
As soon as these radicals characterize anybody as evil, the 'evil' group defends itself with behavior starts to match expectations. And nobody does this better than the fundamentalist sects of any religion. Black and white thinking is so ungood.

and here we see the finger prints of the parasites... clearly these institutions (religion) have been thoroughly compromised into excellent extremism filtering processes that concentrate the "true believers" into tiny echo chambers where ideas (some times wildly unrealistic ideas) can be easily introduced.

I don't blame the people who were raised in those cultures (religious), but I won't ignore the patterns I see around them.

[Flash]

Yes Turiya, I took the video below from one of your post from another thread. I did think it is a must listen for eveyone on one hand, on the other hand, you had much heat on for your points of views, why not taking it on me this time around, and third, I was preparing for work and had not much time for credits and references (but not an excuse)

I thank you for bringing the video to our attention, I would not have found it without you, however, all that is in it, I already knew, had read it, had mostly heard it directly (no hearsay)

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Listen to this Christian witness

She is 100% right, not exagerating at all, none - she is truthful and explains very well what Islam aims are and how they proceed. THIS IS WHAT IT IS, NO EXAGERATION.

she gives you the history of Islam and Mohammed, which is what is written and what is followed by ISIS and others.

She is right, lots of countries in the Middle East where Christian 60 years ago and are now Muslim, namely Lebanon, Syria (was half Christian, they are all being killed and raped right now), Egypt much more (now 10 millions christians, they were half the population previously), etc.

I am white, blond and a target - I have been told by Arabs here in Canada, that they would marry us, rape us, to make sure we do not have white christian babies but Muslim ones, and they would marry their 4 wifes to make sure they make children and overwhelm us given time. Some are open about it and spit it in our face openly (like the man in the food store who told everyone is was allowed 4 women and would just do it, despite our laws).

This is literally happening in France Marseille, a large city in southern France is now Muslim, Paris is going towards it within 20 years,

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS

My problem is not the religion itself, they could be Buddhist or whatever, the problem is the belief system and the crusade (jihad) and violence that comes with it. This is a very regressive and restrictive religion.

They were chased away from Austria a century ago and had conquest all of Eastern Europe, and were pushed back. The lesson, we invade from the inside by migrating and making children and imposing our beliefs.

Europ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-EbC4fowprY

Whatever they say has a double meaning - always, they are allowed to lie for jihad and it is part of the religious culture.

Some good Muslim explained it all to me (in My city, there is many Muslims), they told me never to trust.

Thanks Flash, for posting this. I see you picked this up from my "off topic" thread "The Turiya File". . I uploaded it to youtube late yesterday. I was planning on posting it here on this thread, but thought it would be better to wait a bit, until the heat of the thread cooled down some. It's also probably better that someone else posted this video, as some may not think it appropriate for me to keep on posting so much of what Islam is truly all about.

Again, thanks for taking the lead on this one...

Scholar David Wood also has many videos whereupon he brings out much of what the so-called Islamic faith holds to be true. Here's one where he explains about the practice of circumcision - cutting of the genitalia both for men & women... not a pleasant topic, but still better to come to grips with the reality of it, than not...

Linda Sarsour Caught Lying about
Female Genital Mutilation in Islam
(Published on Apr 25, 2017)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qle_4qiH4tU

[Flash]

What!!!! Uk has 85 sharia courts and Germany uses sharia law!!!!

This is total injustice and blasphemy regarding our own laws and human rights. This is total disrespect of our own societies values and laws.

Who f... allowed this ??? the people???

So British Muslim women do not have the rights to their full inheritance, only half of their brother's, Muslim women in Britain can be beaten up, Muslim women in Britain can be divorced with 3 words, Muslim women in Britain..... and Germany.... etc etc.

Gosh, my own western culture discourages me, it is disgusting.

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
My question? How does one wake up an entire world that the Jesus Movement was ALSO hijacked & made into another "controlling" institution?

Theres a LOT of evidence that christianity and islam were practiced side by side, often in the same churches before both religions were perverted by the parasites.
See this fascinating video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wfqSyFG3fMY

So yes.. clearly all three branches of the abrahamic religion (Islam, Christianity & Judaism) have been split, corrupted and turned against each other.

All the books were burned during the inquisition... our entire history was re-written at that time to what we think to be true now.

This really was the seed that grew into the situation we are at now with islam v the world (or, the world v islam?)

Popular culture encourages this three way divide where ever possible:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xagqiIVW6qk

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The statement you made about Sharia law states, being encouraged by government are stated as fact and beyond that provide fuel for anti- Islamic fear.

That is only true for like 1/4th the planet

The UK has 85 Sharia courts.

Sharia is part of Germany's private law through the regulations of the German international private law. It applies to people with nationalities from countries using Sharia. (a law that only applies to people from certain countries... hmm... I thought the PC crowd woulda shot that one down on principle).

so.. yeah...

[turiya]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
A woman isn't going to be stoned to death for serving someone a pulled pork sandwich, right?

Not today, no.. But we all should be aware of the "totalitarian tip toe"; we have countless historical examples, this is a real tactic and it works.

I wouldn't doubt that it does go on in America. It may not be put on the MSM news. It may be covered over & pushed under the rug by those family members that commit the crime. You may not see it on tv or hear on the radio.

Under Sharia Law, being stoned to death is known as an "honor killing."

Some articles:

Honor killing in America: DOJ report says growing problem is hidden in stats
November 10, 2015

UK: Sharia court hands down sentence approving of honor killing
January 27, 2017 9:12 am By Christine Williams

It happened right on British soil. This is momentous, but not an aberration. It happened in a British Sharia court in Lancashire. The Plaintiff had been “disrespected” (i.e., dishonored) by a neighbor, so he demanded at the Sharia court that their children marry each other as compensation. Fast forward a bit, it turns out that the children were not happy with the arrangement; after all, they have begun to be enlightened to some degree by living in the free world. The neighbor reneged on his promise. This constituted even more “humiliation” for the Plaintiff: now his kids had also, in his view, been humiliated. So the Plaintiff wanted further compensation for his embarrassment and that of his children: he demanded that his neighbor’s children be killed, because in his eyes, the children were already married and they were thus committing adultery.

The Sharia court approved. The council of elders of this British Sharia court sanctioned honor killing. British Prime Minister Theresa May thinks that “many Britons ‘benefit greatly’ from Sharia Law.” Most shocking is not the tribal and brutal mentality of these immigrants who have been indiscriminately welcomed in from Sharia states, but the fact that Britain is allowing the practice of Sharia to override its own constitution and principles of human rights. Sharia itself asserts that no other law could stand above it, and British authorities are feeding that mindset.

SOURCE

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Whatever the case, there should be one rule of law,

I certainly agree, I also think there should be a limited number of laws and they should be written to be easily understood as well as accurate.

Sharia Comes to Great Britain

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-p-l1bNYosc

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
the hijab shouldn't be allowed

I think perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to be enforced. but your right, it will just stay hidden.. this is a hard one, because the Hijab is just a symptom of a problem, and banning symptoms does nothing for the problem itself.

Yes, hidden like their Sharia Court decisions remain hidden.
ARTICLE:

Iranian American: ‘Sharia Law Is Here in the U.S.'
By Penny Starr | February 25, 2015

Journalist & FOX News contributor, Lisa Daftari, spoke at the Heritage Foundation on Feb. 20, 2015. Here's some of what she had to say:

"Sharia law is being followed by practitioners of radical Islam right here in the United States, even if many Americans think of the human rights abuses towards women by these practitioners as something that only takes place in the Middle East and Africa.

"And some might ask why should Americans care about what goes on in those countries?” asked Daftar, whose family fled Iran during the 1979 revolution that overthrew Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and established an Islamic state in the country. “How about tolerance for other practices; respect for Sharia law – the cultural and religious differences?

“Well the answer is it’s not just contained to that part of the world,” Daftari said. “It’s here.

Conservative Women's Network: Lisa Daftari
@11m:23s

VIDEO

“It’s in Europe. It’s in our cities. It’s in our places of work. It’s in our schools,” Daftari said. “Yes, Sharia law is here in the U.S., and this too is a war on women.”

Daftari, who spoke at the Conservative Women’s Network at the Heritage Foundation, focused her remarks on what she said is “the real war on women,” including “honor killings” that have taken place in the United States.

“Every year, about 26 women are killed in the U.S. by a relative in the name of family honor,” Daftari said.

She cited two such killings. On Jan. 1, 2008, a man shot his two teenage daughters, Amina and Sarah Said.

“It later came to light that these murders were premeditated as honor killings as retribution for [Amina] rejecting an arranged marriage to a man in Egypt,” Daftari said.

In an essay written in September 2014, Amina’s boyfriend, Joseph Moreno, said the couple hoped to marry and that the father has never been arrested and his whereabouts are unknown.

“In 2011 an Arizona judge sentenced an Iraqi man to more than 34 years in prison, Daftari said. “He ran over his 20-year-old daughter because he claimed she’d become too westernized.”

Faleh Hassan Al-Maleki was found guilty in the killing of his daughter Noor, according to an article posted on AZCentral.com.

Daftari said radical Islam is also being promoted by Muslim groups on college campuses in the U.S., based on her investigative reporting on the phenomenon.

Daftari cited other examples of human rights abuses against women around the globe that she said represent “the real war on women.”

“The real war on women is about the millions of women throughout the Middle East and the continent of Africa who are forced to undergo genital mutilation,” she said. “In 2013, 3.6 million were mutilated in these parts of the world. In Somalia, FGM (female genital mutilations) is at 99 percent.

“That means nearly every single woman,” Daftari said.

“The real war on women is about the many religious minorities who stand firmly behind their faith and beliefs in Muslim-dominated countries – Christians, Jews, Bahi’s and others facing minority taxes, imprisonment, persecution,” she said.

“The real war on women is about the women of Iran who cannot dress as they want, dance as they want, attend the schools or obtain the jobs that they want,” Daftari said. “They cannot file for divorce, even from a violent spouse, and even if they do, custody of all their children will go to the husband.”

Daftari also cited the case of a 26-year-old Iranian woman who was jailed and eventually executed because she fought back against the man who raped her.
CNSnews.com

[TargeT]

Posted by Flash (here)
So British Muslim women do not have the rights to their full inheritance, only half of their brother's, Muslim women in Britain can be beaten up, Muslim women in Britain can be divorced with 3 words, Muslim women in Britain..... and Germany.... etc etc.

That's like the "totalitarian carpet bombing" not "tip toe" ... haha... it's a much more limited (supposedly) version... but I"m sure behind closed doors much of this does go on, but it is not yet officially sanctioned in it's entirety.

no it's not like that, but it's HEADED THAT WAY; the camels nose is under the tent edge in those countries, but the camel isn't in the tent yet (yet....)





HOW did this happen? PC culture (the psychological warfare tool that lets you feel superior for being stupid)

[turiya]

Posted by Flash (here)
Yes Turiya, I took the video below from one of your post from another thread. I did think it is a must listen for eveyone on one hand, on the other hand, you had much heat on for your points of views, why not taking it on me this time around, and third, I was preparing for work and had not much time for credits and references (but not an excuse)

I thank you for bringing the video to our attention, I would not have found it without you, however, all that is in it, I already knew, had read it, had mostly heard it directly (no hearsay)

You wouldn't have found it otherwise, because I uploaded it to youtube for it to be an "unlisted" video. This is how I know you got it from my 'off-topic' thread. Really not a problem...

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Helene West (here)
Though I do see Islam as a very real threat to western life I agree with Saker that to see it as one large monolithic bogeyman is ridiculous as those who want us terrified of islam go out of their way to people western countries with muslims at the very same time they are frightening us. Here in the U.S. we have the Gulen school movement controversy and obama administration's quiet attempts to encourage supposed commonalities between muslims and american indians particularly for muslims to study american indian tribal governments so they also can formulate autonomy from american law. I won't even touch poor Europe, that deserves it's own thread.

But the continuing saga - create a conflict with two sides, fund both sides, create rubble from the conflict and fashion what you want from the rubble. That is the old, tired meme of our western ruling class. And that's only the main meme, they have their 'tributary' memes. Each time we think we get hip to their game we find another sophisticated twist like a hero is really a proponent or legislation we wanted passed has embedded in it hurtful legislation unbeknownst to us at the time and on and on.

Within the family unit, the one who acts out the most is seen as the problem and this is the one taken to the psychiatrist's office. This is called the "identified patient". But, in truth, the entire family contributes to the dysfunction. The dysfunction of the family is simply being acted out by the identified patient. For this person to heal, the family as a whole must heal. And so it is with the human family.

[Bruno]

I have seen numerous posts on Project Avalon recently about the sexist and abusive practices of Muslims and concerns about Sharia law becoming law in Western Nations. In general I think these concerns are fear mongering. While I do not want to allow Islamic extremists into my country neither do I want Christian extremists. It's not that I don't think people shouldn't be concerned about the ability of Islamic refugees to meld into society and that all people coming into my country of Canada should be willing to share our values. I just find in general that people seem quite hypocritical when they are talking about the poor treatment of Muslim women by their partners in one post and then in another talking about western feminism as a pysop meant to bring down society. You can't have it both ways. My own father who is part Native and who's European ancestors have been here for 5 generations wouldn't let my mother go back to school or work outside the home.

Women in North America are still twice as likely to be killed by their husband or intimate partner as they are by a stranger. In my local news in the past year I recall there was a Muslim father and son that killed the youngest daughter/sister in the family for inappropriate behavior, basically going out with friends unchaperoned. People were naturally outraged. However, there have also been numerous murders of women by their intimate partners by nonmuslims in my area over the past year for situations that are just as ridiculous, like trying to leave an abusive relationship with their partner or dressing like a "****". In my opinion when white men kill their partners or children it is treated like a sad mental health lapse not a problem with the core values of our culture.

I guess what I am trying to say is that if you are going to pretend that you don't want Muslims in your country because they threaten our values and one of those values is that women should have equal rights to work, live and dress as they choose then I think you need to reflect on what our own values regarding women's rights are.


I find the focus on Muslims terribly xenophobic and I personally think it plays into the elites plan to distract and promote fear. The Westboro baptist church in the US and the Bountiful settlement in Canada are two high profile but small Christain groups that scare me personally, however I don't think they are going to take over and destroy our society.

[TargeT]

Posted by Bruno (here)

Women in North America are still twice as likely to be killed by their husband or intimate partner as they are by a stranger.

And men are killed 4x as much as women... So for every 1 women killed by someone she knows, 4 men die... but women need help and men have the privilege of dying 4x more, right? (see how feminism falls flat?)

Posted by Bruno (here)
In my local news in the past year I recall there was a Muslim father and son that killed the youngest daughter/sister in the family for inappropriate behavior, basically going out with friends unchaperoned. People were naturally outraged. However, there have also been numerous murders of women by their intimate partners by nonmuslims in my area over the past year for situations that are just as ridiculous, like trying to leave an abusive relationship with their partner or dressing like a "****". In my opinion when white men kill their partners or children it is treated like a sad mental health lapse not a problem with the core values of our culture.

Seems kinda racist and misandrist.. but ok.

Lets play with numbers and references and hard data. please site where you found this (after that I'll show you the rates of violent homicide and how abnormally high they are in the Muslim communities) I only say this because I'm starting to think these ideas you have are not based in fact, but based in "what you heard".

Posted by Bruno (here)
I guess what I am trying to say is that if you are going to pretend that you don't want Muslims in your country because they threaten our values and one of those values is that women should have equal rights to work, live and dress as they choose then I think you need to reflect on what our own values regarding women's rights are.

In the US, women have equal rights to work, live and dress as they choose here, what needs to be addressed; that there are assholes in the world that don't act like we want to, and some times kill women (but kill men 4x more often)?

The fundamental difference here is this: our society agrees that men and women are equal (on the surface, in reality women are "more equal" than men most the time) and we have laws that not only illustrate that, but give women advantages over men.

Islam is the exact opposite (customs, laws, all of it).

Posted by Bruno (here)
I find the focus on Muslims terribly xenophobic and I personally think it plays into the elites plan to distract and promote fear. The Westboro baptist church in the US and the Bountiful settlement in Canada are two high profile but small Christain groups that scare me personally, however I don't think they are going to take over and destroy our society.

That's because there's less than 50 westboro babtist church members...

There's something like 2 billion Muslims and they are rapidly growing

Xenophobic doesn't fit here, Islamophobic is far more accurate.... no one cares if people are immigrating from Japan or Canada, or Greece etc...

[Bruno]

I know you would be the first to reply TargeT. Here we go.

There are many places to find stats, here is one:

http://www.canadianwomen.org/facts-about-violence

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5. Aren’t men just as likely to be victims of violence as women?

We strongly believe that ALL violence is unacceptable, and we applaud other campaigns that work to end violence. As a women’s organization, our mission focuses on women and girls. However, our teen violence prevention programs are co-ed, designed for both boys and girls.

While both men and women experience violence, statistics indicate that women do experience higher rates. Women’s risk of violent victimization was about 20% higher than men’s in 2014, according to self-reported data from the General Social Survey on Victimization.[31] This is due to the fact that rates of sexual assault have remained relatively stable, while rates of robbery and physical assault have gone down, and men are more likely to be the victims of those crimes.

7 in 10 people who experience family violence are women and girls.[32]

Women are about four times as likely as men to be victims of intimate partner homicide.[33]

Women were 10 times more likely than men to be the victim of a police-reported sexual assault in 2008.[34]

In terms of domestic violence, some self-reported research shows men are almost as likely as women to experience it.[35]Although some people claim that men are too embarrassed to admit a woman has abused them, the reverse is actually true: in self-reported research, men tend to over-estimate their partner’s violence while under-estimating their own. At the same time, women over-estimate their own violence and under-estimate their partner's. This explains why self-reported research often shows similar levels of violence by men and women, even though other research clearly shows that women are disproportionately the victim.[36]

In addition, men are more likely to initiate violence, while women are more likely to use violence in self-defence.[37]

Most men are not abusive to their families. However, when family violence does occur, the victims are overwhelmingly women:

Women are twice as likely as men to be victims of family violence.[38]
Women who experience spousal violence are more likely to endure extreme forms assault including choking, beating, being threatened with a knife or gun, and sexual violence.[39]
About 80% of victims of dating violence are women.[40]
Girls are 1.5 times more likely than boys to experience violence at home.[41]
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Islamophobia or xenophobia? It's both TargeT. Xenophobia for me emphasizes peoples fear of difference. But if you prefer Islamophobia, fine.


As for the Westboro Baptist church comment. Yes, it's small. I brought it up because it makes the news. Just like isolated instances of extreme Muslims in North America make the news.

Please quote rates of violence in Muslim countries. I know they are horrifyingly high, but I would be more interested in rates of violence amoungst practicing Muslims in North America and compare them to any other practicing religious group.

[TargeT]

Posted by Bruno (here)
I know you would be the first to reply TargeT. Here we go.

There are many places to find stats, here is one:

http://www.canadianwomen.org/facts-about-violence

That was some AMAZING cherry picking of data, like. wow! notice how they changed the definition of violence and only focused on "in the home".. well yeah, cuz men die "out of the home" 90% of the time... haha that's just a cluster **** of disinformation and extremely biased.

Totally off topic tho, we can start another thread about women's oppression of men if you'd like
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Posted by Bruno (here)
Islamophobia or xenophobia? It's both TargeT. Xenophobia for me emphasizes peoples fear of difference. But if you prefer Islamophobia, fine.

Words have definitions, if we change them arbitrarily we'll end up thinking many topics are what they are not; or at least we just won't communicate well.

Xenophobia is a fear of foreigners, but encompassed in Islamophobia there are a lot of the same thoughts (fear of loosing identity, fear of aggression etc..)

Posted by Bruno (here)
As for the Westboro Baptist church comment. Yes, it's small. I brought it up because it makes the news. Just like isolated instances of extreme Muslims in North America make the news.

Please quote rates of violence in Muslim countries. I know they are horrifyingly high, but I would be more interested in rates of violence amoungst practicing Muslims in North America and compare them to any other practicing religious group.

Yeah, pointless to put up numbers of violence in the countries of origin, violence in the destination countries is what most people are concerned with. (and for you and I, we only care bout north america really)

US:
A report by the United States Department of Justice in 2000 found that 1.3% of women and 0.9% of men reported experiencing domestic violence in the past year.

US:
A study of Muslim married female immigrants from Bangladesh residing in Houston, Texas revealed a 10% prevalence rate of spousal abuse.

So that's almost 10x more?

of course, islamic women are highly encouraged to defer to their husbands, I doubt they report domestic violence as often; though undoubtedly more often than men of any origin.

there's 3.3 million (1% of the US) Muslims (roughly) in the country; most have not immigrated but some have.

That's a tiny percentage of the US population currently. They are over representing them selves with violence.

[Bruno]

Posted by TargeT
That was some AMAZING cherry picking of data, like. wow! notice how they changed the definition of violence and only focused on "in the home".. well yeah, cuz men die "out of the home" 90% of the time... haha that's just a cluster **** of disinformation and extremely biased.

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I thought this was a discussion of domestic violence and sexism in Muslim and nonmuslim populations? Not whether men or women get murdered more! Cherry picking? That's rich since you just shared data based on 63 participants opinions?
"A survey of 63 Muslim leaders showed that 10% of Muslims experienced physical abuse in their homes." (Is the quote I found from your linked article.)

Please compare apples to apples. If you can find me a stat that shows that Mosque attending Muslims batter their family members more than Church attending Christians I will be all ears. Not based on religious leaders opinions but on hospital or police data.

My original point is that if you are worried about immigrants coming here that treat women poorly than you should be worried about the people who have lived here for generations that treat women poorly. It is so hypocritical to be worried about immigrants influencing westerners in this regard. Especially since you (TargeT) don't believe that women have a hard time to begin with.