David Icke Debunked (Full Movie)

[Houman]

Posted by irishspirit (here)
either the Government fear this man real bad, or someone got to much time on their hands.

There is one topic that they fear most and it is that of child abuse/kidnapping/sacrifice and David Icke has recently focused on that...

Usually the people who get too close to that topic end up dead, in jail or something is done to make them change focus... but in his (David') case it is more complicated...

They fear attention on that topic because of the "people" involved and its triggering impact on the psyche of the population... more than any other issue, this one (because of its ramifications) has the potential to shock a whole population out of its compliance/passivity/illusions...

[Fractalius]

Wasn't Chris White also involved with the smearing of Michael Tsarion? And also par-took in his Mtsar forum? Definitely sounds like a serial offender. hah

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Houman (here)
There is one topic that they fear most and it is that of child abuse/kidnapping/sacrifice and David Icke has recently focused on that...

Usually the people who get too close to that topic end up dead, in jail or something is done to make them change focus... but in his (David') case it is more complicated...

They fear attention on that topic because of the "people" involved and its triggering impact on the psyche of the population... more than any other issue, this one (because of its ramifications) has the potential to shock a whole population out of its compliance/passivity/illusions...

Hi, Houman:

Many thanks for this extremely important post.

(Folks, read this one more time...)

Cheers, Bill

[StephenW11UK]

Hi Banshee, I think that, in a difficult area of research, you have misundestood just who is saying what. It seems to me that Bill is quoting the guy, Chris, who has put together the video you might have wasted your time watching. What Bill has done is to give us the last part of that video in written form, and he gives us the the link to where he got it from. I'm quite certain that Bill himself believes that he video is laden down with BS.

P.S. I didn't realise when I wrote this that numbers of posters had already answered your question, Banshee.

[Houman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Hi, Houman

Hi Bill

[last50cobra]

Posted by Fractalius (here)
Wasn't Chris White also involved with the smearing of Michael Tsarion? And also par-took in his Mtsar forum? Definitely sounds like a serial offender. hah

From the same youtube page:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LeIVz9lCZqQ

[deucalion2012]

What puzzles me is the correlations between Icke's work and Alice Bailey's work. I don't understand how Icke can draw so much from someone so pro New World order if he is trying expose the New World Order. It doesn't make sense. I don't think Icke is a deceiver or a charlatan but something doesn't make sense. Bailey believes the solar logos will help bring in the New World Order. Icke believes the solar logos will help humanity break free and overcome the New World Order. Well, which is it?

[jeannacav]

Hi everybody,
I think David I does a really great job and is impeccable, as well.

Isn't it entirely possible that he says one thing from his research then later changes his mind because he sees other information?

I was angry when I heard him point his finger at Djwahl Kuhl (Alice Bailey's informant)
David's reason was that DK had proposed the coming of the hierarchy and the 'new world order' which was going to be a really wonderful way to live here in harmony with all.
David had only heard the more recent use of the term 'nwo' and let that turn his opinion.
Later, however, he must have heard or read some of the older works, because he seemed to lighten up about Alice Baily and DK.

There is no doubt about it, the books of Alice Bailey do smack of all the elements we are trying to be clear of. but, I think that is part of the whole deception too.

Well, this is something that has happened for millennia, that a group of light-working beings will start some excellent program only to become infiltrated by the controllers who slowly take over the positions and slowly begin to poison it.
It is only much later that the world realizes the deception that has occurred.

The Dane Tops information on PC describes this method in great detail so, please, have a look there if you are not aware of this.

I believe the original Illuminati were sincerely illuminated beings who were here to help.
Their ranks and families were infiltrated by the controllers, who even would get born into these families to bring them down.
There was nothing sacred that was not touched, so again it is up to us to discern.

But even if David changes his mind, it makes him more trustworthy in my mind, not less.
Because he has the courage to change his mind and admit a mistake makes me value his work even more.

Please, consider this as well.

thank you,

jeanna

[jeannacav]

Posted by deucalion2012 (here)
What puzzles me is the correlations between Icke's work and Alice Bailey's work. I don't understand how Icke can draw so much from someone so pro New World order if he is trying expose the New World Order. It doesn't make sense. I don't think Icke is a deceiver or a charlatan but something doesn't make sense. Bailey believes the solar logos will help bring in the New World Order. Icke believes the solar logos will help humanity break free and overcome the New World Order. Well, which is it?

Ah, yes.
I just went into this a little in my post, but we were writing at the same time.

DK is one of the Masters of the far East, I think.
That is not verified, but there are many cross references that might apply.
If so, he is one of a few highly ascended beings that hang around here to help.
They were on the earth and raised their frequency to a high level and because they have been here for hundreds of years they have the continuity of memory and can really help a lot.
Naturally, everything they do will be a target.

If you have not read The Life and Teachings of The Masters of the Far East, please consider reading it.
It was an account of a dozen or so Americans who spent 3 years with these people in India Tibet and Nepal.
Baird Spalding who was one of the organizers of the trip and who was a stenographer took down all the words exactly.
It was amazing.


Published by DeVorss.

Anyway, they are working to help, but again we must do our part.
So, it is confusing because the controllers are trying to deceive us about them... Oh well!

jeanna

[Icecold]

Posted by willow (here)
Hey guys :O)
Well, that was tough viewing...I like to think I have no sacred cows, but alas I've got a whole farm full of them and I may herd them or set them free! I would very much like to hear David Icke's reaction to this video. Anyways, it has to be said that DI's work has ultimately expanded, bent and blown my mind in ways like never before and how I see this life will never be the same, I'm glad about that. I have great respect for the man. 'Bible basher' or no...this is very well researched and presented material. It obliterates anything else I've seen or read on the subject of debunking David Icke (or trying abismally to)... I think this is vital for our consideration. From what I can tell having just watched it, yes the guy is obviously a follower of Jesus but that's really neither here nor there when weighed alongside the comprehensive and well considered nature of the presentation. I think he obviously tried not to let the emotive nature of his beliefs about Jesus cloud his argument too much but as is natural our personal beliefs will bleed into such things... I think if we really are truth seekers, then it would do none of us any harm to watch and consider what is presented here. I don't for a minute think that all spirit contact is ultimately dark forces, and that Jesus of Arimithea was (as he seems to posit) the one and only true source of 'light' (if he existed), I'm sure even the man himself would disagree with that!

Great post :O)

From what I can tell having just watched it, yes the guy is obviously a follower of Jesus but that's really neither here nor there when weighed alongside the comprehensive and well considered nature of the presentation. I think he obviously tried not to let the emotive nature of his beliefs about Jesus cloud his argument too much but as is natural our personal beliefs will bleed into such things...

I read this differently. I think he snaked around the fact that he was pushing the barrow of Christianity at a time when everybody has had enough of the claptrap. They are insidious.

One can't say on the one hand that, the whole christian faith is a construct of mind control and on the other hand say, its truth. Sorry, I won't compromise my position on the dangers of this false ideology. The video is enough to prove my point. The fact is that the author was devious in his approach. Granted he did a lot of research but why does that change the fact that he is pushing a dying discredited ideology. He is a much bigger fraud than he suggests is David Icke.

[Flash]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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To save you the time, a full transcript is here:

http://davidickedebunked.com/?page_id=13

It ends like this:

Acts 17:30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

I do not think that David Icke knows that he is being used as a tool for the new world order, I would like to think that he would turn from his ways if he could be convinced of it. I want to ask you to help me pray for Mr Icke.
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I did not catch right away that you were citing someone else and for a BRIEF but BRIEF instant I tought that Charles had succeeded on his first mission. Hi Hi Hi!

[Flash]

Posted by str8thinker (here)

The more David Icke writes and speaks, the more convoluted I find his message becomes and the more work it seems to take me to sift out his inconsistencies.

This comment seems strange to me because it was much more difficult for me to accept lizards to start with years ago than it has been lately with "get off your knees" or something like "we are all extraordinary beings" and we need to be aware of it, or something aroung "love is all there is". These words speak for themselves, have been taught by the greatest thinkers and spiritual beings over milleniums and are also really coming from David's heart. We just need to feel it. The fundamental human message is right! As far as I am concerned, the more he speaks, THE LESS convoluted his message becomes. Is he used? It would be surprising in view of the number of people he awakened. Is everything he presents perfectly right? He is human... and I appreciate him for that.

[RedeZra]

I think it's great that so many come forward to challenge preconceived notions of reality because it makes us better detectives in the investigation of ourselves and the world around us ; )

[Gajanana]

David Icke spent years, say again... years! talking to empty halls and rows of silent chairs. The ridicule he has had to deal with is mind-blowing. I feel that he may have been introduced to some people and ideas, in order to lead him astray and maybe he did slip up now and again, but just look at the man. use your intuition and look into his eyes,
nothing that needs debunking. Is there really anyone out there that can debunk the message that we are Infinite Conciousness? If so please do, it would make for an interesting read.
my first post here boys n girls, but I've been reading this forum since day one... I hav'nt read every post, so forgive me if this has been suggested elsewhere. There are many solo "truthers" out there, Icke, Ryan, Wilcox etc... is'nt it time to pool our resources? The potential of one is infinite - the group potential is beyond words.
'av a good day people )

[deucalion2012]

So does he still go on about reptillians?

[StephenW11UK]

1] to Banshee, #17, I hope I speak for everyone posting on this thread, that you have no need to apologise for wasting anyone's time. Your question was an important one because, as you may have noticed, a number of us who attempted to answer your question were not completely sure that we had fully understood that last sentence either.

[2] to Bill, This is not a criticism, far from it, but I for one would find it helpful if you would make it quite clear to us that you are, in fact, quoting.

Probably when most of us went to school we learned to use inverted commas when quoting both speech and other people's views, just as was the norm in the classical novels we studied. Sometimes, for example when lots of inverted commas appear close together, even they can create confusion.

Another way that might work would be to - straight after the quote - add the words End of Quote. Or you may think up another solution altogether.

Thanks, Stephen.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by StephenW11UK (here)
Probably when most of us went to school we learned to use inverted commas when quoting both speech and other people's views, just as was the norm in the classical novels we studied. Sometimes, for example when lots of inverted commas appear close together, even they can create confusion.

Or one can use the QUOTE mechanism provided by the forum software, as in:

This line is marked as quoted.

The QUOTE brackets can be entered into your reply post using the icon that looks like:

You will find that icon as about the 16th icon in the row of 23 icons above the reply entry box.

[str8thinker]

I've given Mr David Icke a bit more thought and research, and now I've just about had a gutful of his insincerity.

Whatever he might have been when he began proselytising his own ideas, he has certainly changed as his ego inflated. Mind you, it may not be all his own fault. As bible-bashing as Chris Wright is, I empathize with his concluding remarks in his David Icke Debunked video:

I do not think that David Icke knows that he is being used as a tool for the new world order, I would like to think that he would turn from his ways if he could be convinced of it. I want to ask you to help me pray for Mr Icke.

Wright isn't the only one who feels this way about Icke. Ivan Fraser, in an unfortunately undated article titled David Icke, Arizona Wilder and the Biggest Secret appears to have known him quite well. He begins:

The following is a short summary of a minor investigation into aspects of David Icke’s latest book and his star witnesses Arizona Wilder and Credo Mutwa. Wilder claims to have been a mind controlled slave who performed Satanic rituals for the Illuminati at which she witnessed many famous people including the Queen Mother, shapeshift physically from a human to a lizard and consume sacrificial victims. She claims that since her programming broke down she has been able to reveal this information to the wider public.

My own role in the Biggest Secret saga was that I was asked by David to help him check spelling and offer any further information to his initial draft of the book. It was following my input that David was introduced to Arizona and heard her revelations, which subsequently became a focal point within the book and used as ‘evidence’ to support various themes outlined therein.

Having discussed my concerns with David’s wife and having sent David e-mails outlining my concerns over errors in his book and a feeling I have that he has been set up with misinformation and been the target of psychic manipulation, over a period from before publication to very recently (September 1999), and as yet having absolutely no feedback from David about any of the major concerns, I decided to publish my findings at the David Icke website forum.

Consequently, I was banned from attending that forum by David Icke.

I wish it to be known that I bear David Icke no malice over this affair and the reason for publishing this information is to seek clarification and also offer information of which most may not be aware. My fears may be unfounded, but I feel that after reading this, you may see they are justified. And if my fears have solid foundation, these issues need urgent clarification, both for the sake of David Icke and his readers.

What follows is a most interesting analysis of Icke's sources of information which I will leave to you to read. He also mentions Credo Mutwa and Zecharia Sitchin. Finally he states:

Icke's Matrix is real. But Icke's portrayal of it and understanding of it is like a naive child's. He has no depth of understanding and insufficient experience in the field. His veil is strong, and his influence great - because he connects his ignorant level of energy with others of ignorance and the energy is transferred, auric field breached, and controllers plugged in.

When you finish reading it you may also come to the same view as me.

It also seems that Icke desperately wishes to hide the fact that he is a Mason and/or is rebelling against his father who was. This was borne out in a radio interview by Alan Watt with Hepsehboah:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=monYPbbXa3M

Hepsehboah: Oh I must share something with you. At one time I ... and that was my last show with David Icke ... and I got him very upset when I brought up Masonry - Masonry in England - and Masonry, and possibly, I said, and possibly your dad.. I said because some people had spoken about you and Masonry... He just lost it!

Alan Watts: I do know, some old fellows who have been high up in Free Masonry and they went down and tested some of these speakers, David Icke was one, when he was in Toronto, and they gave him the handshake, the signals and [unclear] and Icke replied in kind.

You might now want to review these other PA threads in the light of this information:

Arizona Wilder - a guided tour down the rabbit hole...

David Icke - Why?

One parting thought: If Icke's tale about reptilian shapeshifters came from Arizona Wilder, this alone takes away a lot of its credibility.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by str8thinker (here)
It also seems that Icke desperately wishes to hide the fact that he is a Mason and/or is rebelling against his father who was. This was borne out in a radio interview by Alan Watt with Hepsehboah:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=monYPbbXa3M

Hi there - I have a great respect and appreciation for all your contributions and your clear thought: but the notion that David Icke is a Mason was not 'borne out' in that radio interview.

The woman, Hepsehboah, was simply saying that Icke was upset when confronted with the accusation that he was a Mason. (And she knew so much about Icke that she could not even pronounce his name.)

I sometimes get upset when people confront me with that, too - and all it means is that I've had it up to the eyebrows with people's stupidity.

Being a semi-public figure does not mean that one has to bear all mindless, thoughtless accusations with a smile and a laugh. Sometimes they hurt, at the end of a long day.

Believe me. Someone devotes their life to going right out on the thinnest limb one can imagine, and then one hears stuff like that.

It's like James Casbolt (Michael Prince) claiming I work for MI6, or Richard Sauder saying that that Project Camelot was a 1960s government project. Give me a break. After a while, you don't feel like laughing any more and you just wish people could be smarter or saner - preferably both.

For David Icke and his "Masonic handshake" - enjoy this very funny one minute outtake from my interview with him in 2010. He can't shake hands at all.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI

[CyRus]

Hi,
I am aware that this is off topic, but it is relevant to Bill's post above:
Could someone please direct me to the mp3 link of that interview?

I can't seem to find it anywhere....

Thanks