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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Posted by Corey Goode on Facebook: (my red emphasis added)
    We will identify one potential operative (Of a few we are aware of) and show their ties to a small Forum group and its leader (Another potential operative) who is up to their eyeballs in this operation. We will also show clear and direct Cabal influence and ties. The information will be explosive and controversial but will be a disclosure this community deserves and needs. We are delivering it in an as ethical of a journalistic form as possible. So far the contact attempts of a few researchers to these parties have gone unanswered.

    If Avalon or myself are publicly defamed, Corey Goode and Jimmy Church will both be faced with a major lawsuit.

    With all the evidence that there is, and the number of high profile people who would support it on record, they'd both be taken to the cleaners. Corey and Stacy would never recover.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    The arrogance to use Ufology being infiltrated as a way of shifting the blame away from a silly tale that has finally reached fizzle point is really rude. Yes I think they will go after you Bill. Yes I think they will have on supporters of the CG campaign. Again, this is an easy story to debunk because it's originator admits there is no proof whatsoever to his claims.

    Dolan, Dolan, Dolan. All we need is Rich. As he stated recently, you gotta have more than a good campfire story. We should all know this already after being burned a thousand times. In the past at least they created fake videos and docs. Now they just skip right to the comics!

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Wow. That escalated very quickly! I think we're on right track if they're going to sue Daniel and Bill and whoever else is on their list. It's most probably the research and thinking part that's so menacing to them.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    What is this crisis in UFO/phenomenology ?

    Enquiry has been shunted off the road by a popularity contest that's expanded from a healthy proportion of the whole thing to being the main act, in a grotesque carnival. It's subversion, in any language you speak.

    We are being forced to fight for a natural organic expansion of our comprehension of whatever the hell is really going on, against what looks quacks and feels like a social engineering version of 'disclosure' that quite probably emanates from some dusty old United Nations paper given blue sky funding decades ago and now running out of money and morphing into a self financing extension of itself via whichever disingenuous adherents it still has a hold in the hearts or minds of.

    I'm already sick of this. It stinks.

    The narrative itself more than hints that something fishy is up. It's not even about asking and answering questions now, On one hand, it's a story telling circle passing the hat around, and on the other hand it's a corporate entertainment branding program with formulaic feelgood-time dominating everything else.

    What the hell happened ?

    I didn't get that memo.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    What is this crisis in UFO/phenomenology ?
    • Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
    • A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
    • Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
    • Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.
    • There may very well be more, which either I don't know about, or which has slipped my mind.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Don't forget the Stan Romanek trial next month!

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
    Don't forget the Stan Romanek trial next month!
    Yes, Wow. And, OMG. Thanks. That could ensnare quite a lot of people. (As you pointed out in your 1st June radio show, quite a few of Stan Romanek's colleagues may be running scared.)

    Also add to all that, maybe, whatever it is that Tom DeLonge is doing, or thinks he's doing.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Also add to all that, maybe, whatever it is that Tom DeLonge is doing, or thinks he's doing.
    Who needs rock stars to do whatever he is doing, which is actually nothing else but to play his part? Which is of course to bring in the younger audience who are not necessary doing their home work. Not to mention of course that Jimmy is also a fine showman.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

    However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides.
    I have far fewer clues than TrumanCash (as posted above) has regarding who's behind all this.

    But I agree with your description, Kryztian, of this method of dividing us, one against the other.

    That's how "they" (whoever they are) work, by creating divisions that split families, groups, communities, and such, enabling greater control of large populations by breaking down not just the individual (with toxic food, water, air, medicine, education, entertainment, ...) but also any bonding or grouping of people that would impede their global control.

    JC Collins has a new article up on his Philosophy of Metrics website describing this process: Tavistock Created Donald Trump. He's using Trump as an example of this process of "dividing and conquering" humanity, but I'm sure he could have used UFO and SSP disclosure just as well. JC Collins tracks the currently used methods back to the formation of the Tavistock Clinic (later to become the Tavistock Institute) in London after World War II.

    In hind sight, we should have expected nothing less of what would become "disclosure". It was a pipe dream to think that an honest President or Prime Minister would stand before their nation, honestly describing important aspects of either the secret space program or of alien involvement with humanity, past and present. Rather this topic is becoming just one more "wonderful" opportunity for the mass psychology manipulators to get us all agitated, breaking bonds between people and between groups over yet another controversy.

    I liked your advice Kryztian ... disagree when necessary on important points, but disagree as one would with a friend that one would like to remain friends with. Do what we can not to use this controversy as yet another excuse to needlessly rip assunder the common bonds of humanity that connect us, both individually and as groups.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Well, from my perspective we do not know what is happening, what is going to happen, and why. Let's all cool our jets until we have a little perspective. I have been looking into the Corey Goode case and from my point of view I don't know if the 20 and back is real or not, my jury is still out and there are other witnesses whom are more reliable. I do not know if he is a real MILAB, but if he is he is currently being abducted. That to me is very important. We HAVE to question and it is our right to do so.

    I know that Corey Goode is quick to the blame game and stirs up trouble where ever he goes, it's just the way it is. He's reactionary. Many people I do not like speak truth and there are many fine individuals that I do like who lie. It's an odd conundrum. But that being said, I've seen too much to trust CG's testimony outright, he is capable of lying often. He's been pushing for attention ever since I've known him. This does not fit the profile that I have on people in his situation, and I fear for the many others he has possibly cajoled. I also fear for him and his family. This is not a game.

    What is Jimmy Church doing? I have no idea. But he feels confident and that is interesting. No matter where this leads I'm a proud Avalonian. We share the gamble we all take in subjecting ourselves to revealing truth and it is worth every step we take. It's a hard road, it's arduous, and it takes YEARS to get to any point of view. That point of view is tangible as more information comes in. That is the nature of the game. We want to know and there are others who want to tell us what to believe. Yet we remain sovereign.

    No matter how things pan out with this next chapter (and we have had many), I will still be here with the most incredible individuals I've ever had the opportunity of meeting. People who volunteer hours of their personal time to try to understand the mysteries of this world and beyond. We are indeed blessed to have the intuition and the brass to have such company.

    To balance the ideals of truth with open mindedness and to even listen to such stories is based in COURAGE. We all know this. We have all had the over-table conversations with those people we love who do not even process the idea of UFO's, let alone that there is a deeper state of affairs in this world that needs to be revealed. The people with closed minds are often our fathers, our mothers, our sisters and brothers, our spouses. This has not been easy on ANY OF US. We are all warriors by being here. I respect all of you deeply.

    In conclusion, we shall continue as we always have because we know no other way of being, we must question to reveal. It is duty, it is honorable, and it respects the foundation of our humanity. We try to do our best, to put our best faces forward, we learn, and we unlearn. Before we make any judgments, let us all consider what we do not know.

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    Question Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
    He speaks about researchers as "infiltrators." This is a ploy in my opinion to try and sequester good researcher and fact checking. This has always been and will be the way Ufology rolls. These newbies will learn as they continue on their journey.
    Are you taking into account the latest news with Lloyd Pye's Star Child Skull? & The in-fighting between RAF Bentwaters witnesses & surroundees? In this opinion?
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    If you haven't made the connection yet between why millennials seem unable to reason or think logically and our national vaccine policies, this should help:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1160072
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Kristin (here)
    We are all warriors by being here. I respect all of you deeply.


    Yes. Amen to that.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    If someone is trule an awake free thinker they won't give a rats ass what Corey Goode thinks of Bill Ryan and Avalon. It's more engineered drama as far as Im concerned. Not interested. Won't change why I surf Avalon in the first place.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    @ 2:20 http://projectavalon.net/Jimmy_Churc..._June_2017.mp3

    A few highlights on some of the clues Church gives re the “BIGGER PICTURE” when stating that Corey Goode and Roger Ramsaur are only a small piece of a big pie.

    Quote http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...uthor-10527844
    UFO expert accuses co-author of 'deceiving' him with account of sighting during infamous Rendlesham Forest incident

    Peter Robbins has sparked a war of words after revealing he now believes that former US airman Larry Warren's account of the incident near RAF Bentwaters, Suffolk, in 1980, was "not true".


    A UFO expert has become embroiled in a bitter feud with his co-author and one-time friend after accusing him of 'deceiving' him with his 'false' account of the infamous Rendlesham Forest incident.
    Peter Robbins and Larry Warren co-authored 'Left at East Gate: A First-Hand Account of the Bentwater-Woodbridge UFO Incident, its Cover-Up, and Investigation' 30 years ago, but are now at loggerheads.
    US researcher Robbins sparked the row when he accused Warren, a former member of the US Air Force Security Police who now lives in Liverpool, of 'deceiving' him during a radio interview.
    Warren, in turn, blasted Nick Pope, former head of the British government's 'UFO desk', for siding with Robbins. He hit back Pope on Facebook for branding him a liar in an online rant.

    American Warren claims he witnessed a UFO land near RAF Bentwaters, Suffolk, while stationed there with the US Air Force in December 1980. He blew the whistle on the so-called Rendlesham Forest incident in 1983 in a News of the World interview and went on to co-write the best-selling book with Robbins, which was published in 1997.

    However, Robbins has now cast serious doubts over the validity of Warren's account.
    Speaking on the Inception Radio Network, Robbins said: "Over the past year, even a bit more, highly specific information has been brought to my attention that has disturbed me tremendously.
    "The encompassed picture is the subjective account of my co-author's story of the events that he was involved in, the events surrounding him, things that don't directly relate to the story but to his life, were not only not accurate but that they were not true.


    "Having worked with him for decades, for having spent several intense years at the beginning we're talking 30 years ago next month when we shook hands, that I would assist him in writing this book. I have a long history with Larry Warren and I felt that after doing the research that he was absolutely good on his word."

    He added: "I felt I had proved enough to myself of Larry's account and details surrounding it that he was telling the truth. And I feel now that in part that was not the case and there was an intent to deceive. To say this has tore me up over the last year is an understatement."

    The Rendlesham incident took place in December 1980 over a series of three nights.
    On December 26, 1980, military personnel at the twin bases of RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge saw a strange light in Rendlesham Forest, which lies between the two bases.
    Three airmen were sent out to investigate where two of them encountered a small, triangular shaped craft.

    One of them, Jim Penniston, got close enough to touch the side of the object. He and another of the airmen present, John Burroughs, made sketches of the craft for witness statements.
    Two nights later, Deputy Base Commander Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt and his team then encountered the UFO.
    He said later: "Here I am, a senior official who routinely denies this sort of thing and diligently works to debunk them, and I'm involved in the middle of something I can't explain."
    Despite an MOD investigation the Rendlesham Forest incident remains unexplained, despite theories it was a lighthouse, a meteor shower or a satellite re-entering the Earth's atmosphere and burning up.
    Warren's account differs as he maintains the UFO landed in a farmer's field and was seen by dozens of military personnel including the Base Commander General Gordon Williams.

    He also claims small entities could be seen floating underneath the strange craft, which shone beams of light into the nuclear bunkers at the NATO base at the height of the Cold War.
    Nick Pope, who ran the Ministry of Defence's Secretariat (Airstaff) 2a - dubbed the 'UFO desk', which investigated military sightings but was closed in 2009 due to budget cuts - has backed Robbins' claims.
    In a post to his 4,980 friends and 13, 852 followers on Facebook, he praised Robbins for "having the courage and integrity to make what was clearly a difficult and painful admission that he'd been taken in by Warren's lies."

    He ended his post by saying: "The verdict from the wider UFO community is clear: the Larry Warren story is officially dead."

    But Warren slammed the ex-MOD man, who now lives in Tucson, Arizona, for "whoring himself out" in a 20-minute Facebook rant.
    He fumed: "I'm aware of your posts on your page, your slander, defamation, whatever you want to call it. You've been out of the UK a long time, you're not really respected here brother. You don't speak for Ufology brother, I can tell you that, you just whore yourself out for just about whatever you can do, that's fine. Works for you." He added: "I wrote all my parts in my book and I remain proud of them. I stand by them."

    Warren also accuses Pope of "abject jealousy" and offers to hand over a UFO courage award he received from UFO Truth Magazine, edited by former police detective Gary Heseltine, at a conference in Holmfirth,Yorkshire, last September.
    He tells Pope: "Your books tanked after months, my book's been in print 20 years and will be print another 100 probably. I've been around longer than you in this and I've seen it all for years."
    Warren challenges Pope to take it off him, saying: "You can have it if you can take it from me. I'll even bring the gift box. You seem to want it because I don't deserve it.

    "You stuck your nose into Rendlesham years ago to the point some morons out there think you were working the MOD desk when they happened - I think you were being beat up on the school yard at that time. So that's impossible but you don't stop that myth."

    He ends his video by saying: "The book is my story, 100 per cent. I've done stuff that you could never do and seen things you'll never see and I'll still be standing tall when you go cock a doodle do ... You were never in the military, you wore a tie somewhere."
    Quote https://theyflyblog.com/2017/03/31/l...perts-exposed/

    EXTRACT: In this new interview, Michael Horn names and politely eviscerates the gaggle of phony “UFO experts” who, he says, do more harm to the truth than the government, as they deliberately suppress knowledge of Billy Meier’s singularly authentic contacts with the Plejaren extraterrestrial human race. With their craving for attention and profit at all costs, they spread lies and disinformation to distract from the continuing fulfillment of the Henoch Prophecies.

    GAIA Censors George Noory Interview of Michael Horn

    In August 2016, GAIA brought Michael Horn to Boulder, Colorado, for an interview with George Noory, on his Beyond Belief show. Horn has already been a guest on Coast to Coast AM 17 times.
    Among their panoply of “mind-body-spirit” content, GAIA feature programs with disinformation specialists Corey Goode and David Wilcock, with their delusional, unsubstantiated, fabricated stories about imaginary “aliens”, “Draco/Reptilians”, Atlantis and other idiocy.

    Interviews for Beyond Belief are usually released in a timely manner. But it appears that Noory’s outspoken enthusiasm for Meier’s stunningly clear UFO photos, and abundance of specific, prophetically accurate information would be too stark a contrast to the escapist gibberish from Goode and Wilcock. Hence, so far the Noory-Horn interview hasn’t seen the light of day.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Jimmy keeps declaring that he won't be "negative"...as if this is some grand gesture of heroism.

    Exposing nonsense isn't "negative". Accepting nonsense isn't "unity".

    The implication is that he's not "lowering himself" into the drama and so forth. I'm not buyin it. Jimmy is naturally an amiable guy, and despite his pro Corey leanings doesnt want to offend anybody...and here he is in an uncomfortable predicament where to back Corey unconditionally will alienate a certain group (the sane group) but to declare his story untrue will be to offend his bud Corey and his supporters over at Gaia tv. So, he's basically offering us this phony moralism to conceal his lack of courage to take a definitive stance.

    That's how I see it anyway.

    And uh....oh god what's her name?....Jordan's girlfriend there? She's working for Corey and Roger whatever the f#ck he's calling himself now, and getting paid...buuuuut doesn't feel any pressure to push the "blue avian" narrative? Sure. That's called "getting bought out" darling. Google it.

    The so called "Corey's Kids" are inherently harmless. Jordan is about as dark as Mickey Mouse. With all due respect to Daniel, I don't think for a second that there was any kind of satanic ritual at Contact. I think Jordan and his girlfriend and Justin are basically good people doing what I'm sure they believe is totally harmless. It's possible that their innocence and connection to the youth is being exploited here...and it's their responsibility ultimately to discover that and remove themselves from the situation. Meanwhile, the degree to which I personally am willing to hold them responsible for all this mess is minimal. I reserve the right to change my mind as this circus progresses...


    (All capital letters to begin sentences, Wind. You happy? And punctuation. No, I never claimed to be a writer...just an ordinary schmuck who wanted to write a book
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Well said Mike.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
    Well said Mike.


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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Is Ufology one of the Most Dangerous Professions in the World

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    (All capital letters to begin sentences, Wind. You happy? And punctuation. No, I never claimed to be a writer...just an ordinary schmuck who wanted to write a book
    Haha, yes very happy! Nice to see you here again, brother.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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