Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Wind]

I would have to agree with Star Mariner. Of all of the things death doesn't worry me one bit. I have to say, I'm looking forward to it, although not in the sense that I would hurry it. I don't think I'm meant to die anytime soon and I don't think I will, but if I do then so be it. I just can't see it as a negative thing in any way. If the process of birth and death was in any way skewed then that would be imply to me that we don't have a benevolent Creator and that is just not the reality. At least not one I would ever to choose to believe in.

This Earth is a very beautiful place (it isn't flat either, btw), but yet also this place is filled with horrors and sadness. It's a priviledge to be alive in these times and yet at times it's also so hard. Yet we chose to come to this mental asylum for a reason. Lifetime after lifetime, so that we could learn and evolve. We have been born and died a million times. Nothing ever ends, but does anything ever start either? Personally I'm working on getting rid of negativity and fear, not adding to it. Anything that makes you feel fearful or dreadful is a red flag. Where does the feeling come from? The forces of light and dark are battling here on Earth through us humans. How will we choose to act and contribute? Now that is the question.

[petra]

Posted by Ewan (here)
Right now my position is such that I will be wary of the light, and another part of me asks 'What if that is the greatest psy-op of all?' Make them fear the light.

How can we know. That would be the greatest gift you could give to anyone in a 3D incarnation right now.

I'm more than wary! I've decided if I see any lights beckoning me, I'm not going - regardless of what my feelings/intuition tells me. Bottom line - I don't trust my feelings. If the light wants me - it's going to have to drag me

[Rocky_Shorz]

I have been to Nirvana and heaven, lifted the sick in my arms until heavens light healed them.

But it really doesn't matter what I share with you, until you see it for yourself, you won't believe.

Your Spirit knows and will cross regardless of what your conscious decides.

Ghosts are the ones who turned from the light with unfinished business.

[petra]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
...., and all communication is telepathic. Everything is known immediately, including deceit. Fakery cannot exist.

Makin' me want to cry Sounds like perfection, right there

[petra]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Ultimately, the ego is what gives us individualization, which in turns grants us our personalities, without which we would not be able to identify ourselves as a self, or be able to function as free-will beings incarnate in a human vehicle. I think part of the exercise is to conquer the ego, and to recognize and overcome its pitfalls. In so doing, discovering we're all One.

Ah-HA! Key word here ... free-will. It totally makes sense to conquer what's holding us back... plus a lot of negative feelings arise from there.

Personally I feel like I have very little ego left... I don't really get embarrassed anymore, and not being able to understand certain things doesn't frustrate me anymore. What other people think of me doesn't matter either - that's just none of my business. It's definitely a less stressful way to be

I recall trying to write "freewill"... but it came out as "frewill"... That's my "shifty writing" kicking in I thought "where'd my E go?" and then I couldn't stop laughing!

[Callista]

In response to a request from a member who has been posting on this thread, I am posting some information (yes its Cosmic Awareness channelled through Will) that was given in 2015 in response to some questions regarding Simon Parkes' warning about the White Light. This information is normally only available to Rainbow Phoenix members, but Will has consented to share these excerpts with you. No discussion will be entered into - it is what it is, take or leave it. For further information about Will's work please go to https://rainbowphoenix.com.au

Excerpt from transcript August 2014 “Prison Planet and the White Light”

There is indeed an important area this Awareness wishes to speak on. In regard to the concept of ‘prison planet’ and the returning of souls, the imprisonment of souls, that is important to be spoken of. This Awareness wishes to do so
now.

That also in the Simon Parkes interview, he stated that it was the White Light that was used to deceive and to misdirect and to capture those returning souls. This of course is a very popular concept and there are indeed, as Simon Parkes correctly said, many films, books and opinions on this matter that state that the White Light is connected to God, and that the White Light will come and guide you home, guide the returning soul aspect back to its spiritual home and its soul being.

But this one, Simon Parkes, also stated that this is a deception, a device used to misguide and misdirect, and that those who simply and blindly follow the White Light are the ones that will be recaptured, their minds erased and that they simply are recycled back into physicality and human form. That this Awareness will now state that this is so. That this will certainly challenge many, but this Awareness wishes to explain.

That this is a device that is presented in the Bardo levels and that many may indeed be fooled by this device, this presentation of the White Light, and may return back into physical life again and again, to be used for the purpose of the enslavers on this planet. But it need not be so, for as this Awareness has said, for the true soul aspect that has determined that it will return, that the White Light will not necessarily appear, and even if it does there will be another force that will guide the individual aspect to ignore this and to bypass this, and to simply return through the Bardo levels. If it does not happen so, then it is still the plan of the soul to have the extended experience either in the Bardo levels or returning back into physical incarnation.

Indeed, this was known in the past and certain cultures, such as the ancient Egyptians and even the Tibetans, had what they called the Book of the Dead. The Tibetan Book of the Dead warned one of what to look for, what to expect, what to avoid when the soul aspect left the body.

There were very clear warnings of how it was, and clear warnings of what to avoid, such as deceptive energies as the White Light. When one was preparing to die in these cultures, prayers were said, meditation was done, and intent stated. The intent to return back to fifth dimension, back to Nirvana, back to one’s spiritual home. And thus, cultures once upon a time were taught of such matters, but this has fallen by the wayside as controlled religions that come under the onus of their masters, perverted this and did not teach this.

Thus it is that many have an encounter with the White Light, which many who are Light Workers believe in thoroughly and completely. This Awareness is aware that speaking of this matter may be difficult for many but this Awareness says to those who have difficulty on this matter to simply be open to this, to consider this, to understand that one can be guided home. That there is that inner draw and compulsion and that there are often spiritual ones, family, and angelic beings who will come to guide one. But when it is so that one sees a certain White Light that one does not simply step into it without questioning it, without asking what it is, or more importantly even, without calling for their own guidance from ones loved, guidance by those who are of high spirit before simply stepping into the White Light.

That this is a matter that this Awareness does not ask all to believe in: the statement that the White Light is deception. But It does ask all to consider this, to understand that you will indeed be returned to Spirit if that is your intention and desire. The warnings against the Bardo levels have been long-standing by this Awareness and by many sources and many cultures, and as said, there were indeed cultures that did have an instruction manual if you will of how to proceed through the Bardo levels and pass the gridwork, the force field that would and could bring one back. But also to understand that in the greater context of a soul choosing to have the physical experience, that this can include being returned back into physical life over and over until one finally ‘gets it’, one finally ‘awakens’ to an inner truth and inner understanding, and one truly then decides and determines that nothing will misguide them, misdirect them or prevent them from going home. And that there are ones, the Mantis in particular, who are here to ensure that this is so on these levels, for they too can access fourth dimensionality, can travel the Bardo levels and can assist the returning soul to achieve their goal to return home, back indeed to Spirit and back indeed to their soul group and soul family.

That this Awareness is complete with this answer. It is aware that it has opened up a can of worms, but It is fully prepared to address this matter again for those who find the concepts too difficult, or do not understand quite how this may work.

This Awareness would simply say here that It is seeking to assist humanity at this stage of spiritual growth and advancement, and that it is time for those who are truly interested and understanding these matters, to take a big step forward in their growth and development, and this does often involve entertaining thoughts that previously were inconceivable and unacceptable.

But it is up to each individual to make their own choice on the matter, to make their own decisions of what it is they wish to believe. This Awareness is only presenting this information to assist humanity and those who are hearing these words, but It will not interfere or intrude in an individual’s right to choose what they wish to believe, or choose how they wish to live their life, or even how to make journey back to their spiritual home and their soul being.

September 2014
DOGMA OF THE WHITE LIGHT
That this Awareness does indeed have an opening message. That It would choose to talk about dogma, dogma of belief, that which is the prescribed understanding and the prescribed set of rules of belief that accompany many religions; many attitudes of how to live one's life, how to be in society and in context to life on this third dimensional planet. It is far easier for most to simply have a set of rules by which one lives, that have been ordained and ratified by those that are thought to be the authorities and the experts.

That of course, most think dogma pertains primarily to religious dogma but there is that which is also societal dogma, scientific dogma, economic dogma, political dogma. The list indeed can go on and on. That humans have been trained if you will, to find it easier to simply live their lives in accordance to their dogma than to be original thinkers, to step outside of the box of dogma that one lives in, for to do so would be for most, most challenging indeed and place one, not in the comfort zone but in the discomfort zone.

That many do not wish to live lives that are speculative, that do not have strong and clear foundations, for this is what dogma provides: a strong foundation for the individual in how to live one's life. Dogma, of course does not encourage questioning, does not encourage a free mind to speculate on matters that are questionable or matters that are not easily understood, or matters that are in defiance of that which is the dogma that is believed in.

That this Awareness brings this issue of dogma up for specific reasons, for recently It has brought forth information that challenges dogma for many of the members, many of the readers. Specifically, that which is being challenged is that which this Awareness would broadly call “New Age” dogma.

For there is indeed dogma that is followed by those who claim to be “New Age” ones. This of course includes those who also consider themselves to be Light Workers and Spiritual Seekers. That one of the greatest dogmas is that of the White Light, especially in context to the White Light being that which one must enter when one departs the physical and is returning back into one's spiritual nature, their greater spiritual origins.

That it has been popularized over the last several decades that one must return to the White Light. Films such as that known as “Ghost” for example, had their main actor Patrick Swayze return back into the White Light and that this was done in a way that was most attractive indeed and has left an imprint in consciousness, especially those seeking to have this fundamental knowledge of what to expect upon death. This popularization of this concept of course goes further back. There are other films, other movies, other medias’ presentations that have spoken of this, presented this, but there is also that which is the “New Age” rhetoric, that which is the “New Age” presentation of information of such matters that has indeed been put forward over the last many decades.

It is not simply a new popular belief, for this idea of entering the White Light has been around for some time but it has become very popular in that which this Awareness calls the “New Age” movement in recent decades. The dogma is of course that when one dies and becomes disincarnate spirit, that there will be that which is the White Light that is taught now to be that which must be entered into so that one can return back to the soul, back into fifth dimensional consciousness.

Recently through such works as the presentation of Simon Parkes, that this was brought forward as something one must not do, that one must indeed turn tail and walk in the other direction of the White Light. That this concept of doing so is most challenging for those who have accepted the belief that entry into the White Light will take one back to their spiritual Source, their soul Source, and indeed there are even those who are having trouble with this teaching and those who present it, including this Awareness for supporting this particular dogma.

Such is the strength and power of dogma that one can indeed feel threatened when the dogma itself is challenged, and one can resist, not because the dogma is correct but rather because the dogma is so ingrained in one's programming that to question this belief, this dogmatic belief, is to challenge one's complete sense of what is or is not, and as dogma is often held to be that which provides assurance to one's belief, the ones that one is living by, that any challenge to dogmatic beliefs is indeed threatening.

That this belief in the White Light has become the sacred cow of New Age belief and one that should not be touched, should not be challenged, should not be displaced, for to do so would indeed create a situation most dangerous to the advancement of the soul as it seeks to return back into its greater source consciousness. However, this is not so.

That indeed to question even those fundamental dogmatic beliefs is necessary so that one finally determines for oneself those beliefs that correspond to one's own inner core sensing of things versus those beliefs that have simply been passed on and accepted by one who is a seeker, in this case of spiritual truth and understanding. That the human condition always favors that which is comfortable, that which does not challenge, that which makes things easier for one as they work through the intense quagmire that is human life and the many, many beliefs that accompany it.

Furthermore dogma also has intended purposes of providing one with a sense of superiority, for if one truly holds certain dogmatic beliefs that are in alignment with those held by others, when one is part of a greater group that have a certain way of believing that is dogmatic in nature, then there is that superior attitude that these ones who hold these dogmatic beliefs are right, are correct and all others are therefore wrong. That this is easily seen in the divisions in humanity in the many different areas of human participation and human life.

The greatest of course is religious dogma, but as this Awareness has already said there are many types of dogma. That with this sense of superiority, that many even develop a certain arrogance that the way they believe and that which they hold is correct, is right, and this arrogance sometimes does spill over to an attitude that is condemning of others who do not hold the same dogmatic beliefs.

At this time a prime example of this is the Islamic movement, the radical Islamic movement, that sees that they are right and all others who do not hold their extreme views are wrong. Their dogma suggests that it is all right to behead an enemy, an infidel to their faith, but this is only that which is the dogmatic belief system they have fully accepted and feel strong in, feel arrogant with, that they have the right way of things.

Anyone else looking upon this will see how dangerous, how brutal, how inhumane their dogmatic beliefs are-- these ones who practice mass execution, terror and even the beheading in a public way that is then put
on the Internet.

But do these same ones who can see the gross invalidity and inappropriateness of another's belief, especially extreme beliefs, as is held by these radical, fundamental Muslim ones? Can they themselves see their own limitations due to the dogmatic beliefs that they themselves hold? It is often the case that one can see others’ beliefs and mark them as wrong or right, more often wrong to their beliefs, their dogmas, but yet not see in themselves those dogmatic beliefs that they hold.

Here is a situation with the presentation of information that challenges that which this Awareness is calling the “New Age Dogma of the White Light”, a belief challenger that creates tension and apprehension in one, even hostility and anger for those who consider themselves Light Workers of the highest order. They know that this man, Simon Parkes and the information even provided by Cosmic Awareness must be wrong, for they have their dogmatic beliefs that say this is so, that say that those who bring this into question and disrepute must be wrong.

Remember that this is a dualistic way of understanding this matter. The dualistic way being that if they are right, all others must be wrong. That this matter in a way has an urgency and importance to it, for many of the Light Workers are totally fed up with third dimensional reality as it is experienced in their lives and are only too willing to return back to the greater consciousness, Divine Spirit and that this way of advancing oneself through entering into the White Light is seen as a type of a guarantee for their return back into the Godhead and back into the higher vibrational consciousness that is their greater soul, that is their spiritual environment and home.

But at the same time, what if that which is occurring when one departs their physical body and third dimensional reality is correct, is correct in that the dogma is incorrect? To be clearer, what if upon leaving the physical arena and seeking to return back to spiritual reality, that which is one's spiritual home, one encounters a device that is used and has been used for some time to misdirect and mislead the soul aspect seeking to return?

That if one holds dogma to be that which is correct and the dogma states that one must enter into the White Light, for this is that which God has put forward to assist the homeward-bound soul in its return-- then one will simply enter into the White Light for the belief is that it will do this, is a guarantee that is built into the experience of human life, that is built into the spiritual need for evolution, spiritual evolution, that is contained within all.

This matter of dogma, although it is challenging, although it is frightening for some to challenge such dogmas, is necessary to advance, to free oneself from the shackles of ignorance that one has adopted and assumed, to get back into that which is the spark of the Divine that lies within, that drives one back always to find their spiritual home ground.

That in the challenge, those who provide the challenge, are often falsely identified as the forces of evil who would speak such untruths, but this is absolutely incorrect, for those who would speak such matters, who would challenge such dogmas, are seeking to assist and not to retard or diminish.

Thus in this information, in regard to the challenge, to the dogma of the White Light lies the absolute possibility of freeing oneself from mind control, from deeply embedded beliefs/ dogma that have been ingrained in an individual throughout their lifetime, and perhaps throughout several other lifetimes as well.

That this gives the individual the opportunity to free oneself when one has an experience such as the White Light experience upon crossing, and therefore those who are willing to question, those who are willing to challenge their own dogmas, especially those that this Awareness calls the sacred cow dogmas, that they are the ones that will break the dogma and free themselves to allow themselves to access their higher levels of consciousness and indeed and to not be recaptured by those who have the intent to do so but rather to find again the true sovereignty of one's own being as they return back to Source, free and easy to be those who have broken through.

Dogma is also to be understood therefore as that which will confine one or restrict one or prevent one from expansion and that those who are truly interested in expansion, that they must always question their dogmas, their beliefs, for they do not do so even though they may feel they are right and thus even righteous in holding the beliefs that they hold, that they are indeed prisoners to those dogmatic beliefs and as it is the intent and desire of Divine Spark to return back to its own source, this is an intolerable situation that must be faced, must be handled so that one may find the freedom of their own sovereign being.

Therefore, this Awareness simply would ask that those who are the most challenged by this information, by this radical concept that the White Light may not be what it seems to be-- please look deeper, please ask the
questions of why it is so that you are having such a strong reaction.

If after such an examination, it is still one's belief that the White Light is right and proper, then those who hold this need to continue with this experience of the White Light and the belief in the White Light. There is nothing wrong in doing so but there is that which will be the consequence of such belief, and that this would be returning again into physicality when one has departed it.

For those who are willing to be challenged even though it is uncomfortable and are willing to entertain that perhaps this dogmatic belief is not perhaps what it seems to be, and to those and for those who are ready to release this that they will find the expansion and freedom in their lives and in their destinies as they seek to return back into their home Source of Spirit and soul.

That even before the journey itself, that there will be new freedom in releasing this dogma that will allow them to question other dogmas, other dogmatic beliefs, other ways of thinking that have long been held, never seen as restrictive in nature to their own lives and their own life experiences.

Therefore in conclusion, this Awareness says that if one's beliefs are challenged and one feels uncomfortable with this and antagonistic to those who present such challenge or to the challenges themselves, that this is in itself grounds to look more deeply into one's belief and to find the sacred cow dogmatic beliefs that hold one, restrict one and imprison one into dualistic belief and expectations.

That this is the time to do so, these critical and crucial times, for it is imperative that one be given the opportunity to free oneself from the karmic wheel that has been lived in and been part of one's reality for perhaps many lifetimes. That it is now the time, for the greater force of consciousness that is Divine consciousness is moving, has rolled onto the planet and is upping the game, even the game of looking at one's deeper convictions and beliefs to discover the dogma that lies within.

This Awareness has only been speaking of that which is the device of the White Light, not about that which is the drawing of the energy, the higher energies of spiritual illumination and guardianship, protection and information that is contained within that which is the spiritual force of the Divine that is known as the White Light or simply the Light of Spirit, the Light of the
Divine.

Therefore, please understand that when one actively works with this energy, the energy of the Light, that this is not of the same order as that which this Awareness has been speaking of: that being the Device of the White Light to entrap and to imprison. Is this clear?

[Akeron]

Posted by Mike (here)
I'll be the first to admit that i'm succeptible to whatever I happen to be reading or listening to in any given moment. Lately ive been listening to lots of stuff on electronic harassment, and i'm very cynical as a result...So the light as "trap" seems more probable to me now than it has in years past, especially when really smart people I respect support that position.

Theres some really good back n forth here between Paula and Star Mariner. Theyre both highly intelligent and convincing.....and they both represent the enigma that often emerges in these types of topics. Which is the psyop? the light itself?....OR the idea of the light being phony and malevolent? Which is the psyop? the ego being an inplanted overlay?....OR the ego being a natural, necessary challenge created by a benevolent creator?...

Another admission: this topic bugs me. I have to admit that I have an emotional and/or intellectual attachment to this idea of the light being benevolent. In the conspiracy world, we might call this a "trigger". I have an investment in this idea, for better or worse. Investments take energy...and no one wants to admit that theyve foolishly wasted their energy on something that is untrue. In my opinion, this is why people remain stuck in stale and stubborn memes - theyd rather argue for the wrong position into eternity than simply admit theyve been wrong. Ive stubbornly clung to this idea of the light being good and authentic, and a part of me resents being challenged on it. Is this my inner "programming" resisting a potential truth? Am I clinging to this idea out of an irrational stubbornness? Or is this so much of an authentic spiritual certainty to me that I resent the muddying of the waters coming from the malevolent light people? I honestly can't say...

..like I said, im susceptible to whatever I happen to be researching at the time. My opinions on many things are always in flux. And when it comes to things we really don't know the answers to with any sort of certainty, intellectual flexibility seems the most prudent stance to me. Unless we've died and come back (and some here have!), all our info regarding the light comes from books or interviews etc. My personal tho still very flexible stance at the moment is that reincarnation is a good and natural process put in place by a good and natural creator. When the word "recycle" is used in its place it makes us sound as negligible and unimportant as soda bottles...and the notion of the light seems artificial and deceptive. It all depends on how one approaches it. Words are important!

I dont know what happens when we die. I only know what I want to have happen. at the moment, it's an emotional and intellectual longing trying to bridge an endless abyss of unknowingness. The research seems to suggest the light is good...the key word being *seems*. But as we all know, things arent always what they seem to be

Very well put. Many ideas that are exemplary of the human condition... and how we lose energy through "not knowing" but really wanting to find out because well... it is very, very important to get it right.

As a result we live with a mind that is afraid to make a mistake and drains us, sometimes in very subtle ways. So what do we do about it?

I know this question (to go into the light or not) has been bugging me for years now not just because I would like to "know", but also because I've written small articles on the subject which through other people reading them adds some weight of responsibility.

Every day someone asking me whether to go into the light after death or not might produce a different answer. It's not that I change my attitude towards it, it's simply that there cannot be a straight answer.

Why? Because the answer cannot be the answer. It's not what you do but why and how. Intention, consciousness and your overall progress on a path across time and space *have to* create different "right answers" depending on where you are at. If the right answer is attained through the wrong means it becomes the wrong answer.

The path is the way. Life is a dance, not a destination.

[greybeard]

The answer is simple.
At the very root of "spirituality" is the statement" I am that I am" in other words only "God" is and you are that.
All the rest is story telling, the persona on stage, within the cosmic dream--the play of consciousness which seems very real.
The actor has fallen into believing it is a separate individual
So within the play, your belief will take you to your seeming destination on the death of the body.
Thus the importance of preparing for death in a world of seeming duality.

However if Self realisation (enlightenment" has occurred its all irrelevant.
The mystics from their experience point to non-duality --one without a second.
Heaven is within--not out there--nothing is separate in ultimate reality.

So time spent studying non-duality is well spent--it takes away fear and may lead to realisation of your true Self.

Believe what you want--but let go of fear of what happens on the death of the body.

Chris

[Ron Mauer Sr]

My interest in the light trap(?) is more about making good choices, not about fear. Being manipulated does not feel good and feeling good is my goal. If I choose to reincarnate I want the choice to be made while I am in an environment that is nurturing and is free from manipulation.

[onawah]

Also very well put.

Posted by Akeron (here)

Very well put. Many ideas that are exemplary of the human condition... and how we lose energy through "not knowing" but really wanting to find out because well... it is very, very important to get it right.

As a result we live with a mind that is afraid to make a mistake and drains us, sometimes in very subtle ways. So what do we do about it?

I know this question (to go into the light or not) has been bugging me for years now not just because I would like to "know", but also because I've written small articles on the subject which through other people reading them adds some weight of responsibility.

Every day someone asking me whether to go into the light after death or not might produce a different answer. It's not that I change my attitude towards it, it's simply that there cannot be a straight answer.

Why? Because the answer cannot be the answer. It's not what you do but why and how. Intention, consciousness and your overall progress on a path across time and space *have to* create different "right answers" depending on where you are at. If the right answer is attained through the wrong means it becomes the wrong answer.

The path is the way. Life is a dance, not a destination.

[Noelle]

I've been in the "light trap" area of the rabbit hole this week and weekend. I'm not approaching it with fear or paranoia; just think it's extremely wise to question everything that I've learned about life and the afterlife. I came across these two resources and wish to share.

Don't Get Trapped By the After-Life Review Know What Happens When You Die? True Story!

Rich West goes over the light trap, the memory wipe, etc. He provides some pointers on how to avoid coming back to this reality. Best advice he gives: When you drop dead (when your big day comes) you better have your "s**t" together -- be awake as possible. Worth watching! (Viewer discretion: loads of adult language).

TrickedByTheLight.com

This site offers some interesting articles, audio interviews, and interview transcripts. It is published by
Wayne Bush, who theorizes that we are in some kind of simulation or virtual reality game.

[Flash]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by muthink (here)
We are in a prison of sorts, but its a self-imposed one. We are super-powerful beings, of that I have no doubt. And because of that power, we are using it to keep ourselves in this limited state. Right now, we are getting help from all over over the universe. But we are our own worst enemies. There are a lot of alien beings down here right now, walking around in human form and most of them don't know it. They are helping trying to get human beings out of this destructive cycle they have been in. They are working exhaustively to help us.

So many believe the ETs motives are sinister, but the sinister is within us. We are holding ourselves back. They don't want this "hunk of junk" called planet Earth. This physical reality, by the way, is not the principal reality. This is more like the "bottom of the barrel" to reality. It is a trap. The beings are trying to help us wake up to the flaws inherent in the physical reality. If we can reject it, we can get out. But getting super powerful beings (us) to reject it is proving to be very very difficult.

A most strange and puzzling point of view.
You believe we are “super-powerful beings”...in which case what would a super being be doing on this earth if it was so super powerful? And why would a super being be so ignorant to keep itself in this “limited state”? Why would anyone with the smallest brain want to keep itself in a prison if it was so powerful and presumably so advanced. This makes absolutely no sense and has no logic to it.

This thinking is probably the most amazing thing I hear almost everyday on this forum. We are super beings who some how have managed to get ourselves trapped on the earth by some really nasty bad guys who live in the astral....who fool us with white light and force us back onto the earth so we cannot get back to our super powerful buddies living just the other side of the astral ocean

Life is not an episode of Star Wars....so you can relax. No one is lost or being held prisoner against their will...and I am not referring to the physical world.

We come back here simply because our consciousness is not yet at a level where we are able to comprehend the higher realms we so desperately seek to enter.
We are babies at the life game and the sooner we all realize this fact the sooner we will all get on with our true goal and start to work on the growth of our consciousness which comes automatically when living and learning about the laws of the cosmos and of life, and the ways to unify with them, and the freedom which is gained by such actions.

The great trap is simply the extent of the illusion in which we have individually thought our way into.

Take care
Ray

Gosh I miss this member - so Wise and so true.

[chris_walker]

Hi all, I have encountered this video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzcYYaxQ9HY and I found the comments made by a certain individual quite enthralling. It's about the afterlife deception, but this person seems to want to go to the afterlife and do battle! I've come to that conclusion myself even though I've had no OBEs or NDEs. Here are the comments below.

"I hate to break it to you but you have been had. There are dark beings that trick people into reincarnating. After death they will pose as guides, angels, dead relatives, religious figures, god, etc. In fact I've seen the last one myself. I ran into an entity pretending to be god during an out of body experience. I didn't buy it. They're able to disguise themselves because on the astral plane you can change your shape and size at will. This is something I've done many times and am pretty good at it. If during an out of body experience or after death I wanted to make myself look like Jesus I could do it in the blink of an eye. And if I can do it you know they can do it. So they will impersonate whoever they think will best get you to cooperate.

The guardians you mentioned where no doubt these beings in disguise. Most likely they were your handlers. You know like how sleeper agents have handlers. Oh and as far as the life review don't get me started on that. That is a gigantic red flag. Just go to youtube and do some research about how they use the life review to manipulate people. You'll be amazed at what you find.

As far as your memories coming back it is likely that they allowed your memories of all of your lives on earth and between lives to return because it suited they're purpose. However they most likely blocked memories that would have exposed them for the frauds they are. If all of your memories came back you would know what a scam and waste of time this world is. I know about they're ability to block memories from my own experience. A few weeks ago an entity showed up in a dream and tried to wipe my memory. I was able to resist through sheer force of will. So I know what they are capable off. Fortunately I learned that they use an energy field to wipe your memory. And energy can be blocked with an energy shield. So it's very likely they were only letting you remember your time in the matrix. Your time on earth and between lives. Anything more and you would see what frauds they all are.

The matrix doesn't end with the physical world. It extends well into the afterlife. How far exactly I can't say. What I do know is that they're agenda to deceive us after death is highly organized and highly coordinated. These beings are masters of manipulation and are not to be trusted for a second. The light people see during near death experiences and the feelings of love they experience are all part of the set up. They can induce feelings of love with frequency manipulation. Love is just energy on a very very high frequency. And they know how to manipulate energy.

They go to great lengths to deceive us. But they are not all powerful. I've gotten into dozens of confrontations with dark entities during out of body experiences. They're a total joke and they cannot hurt you. These guys are no different. They know that the use of force doesn't work in the afterlife because over there we have godlike powers. So instead they use every kind of psychological manipulation in the book. And they use our ignorance against us. They want to keep us ignorant of how the afterlife really works so they can continue to manipulate us. That's why they go to great lengths to scare the crap out of people who start having out of body experiences.

They'll appear as your typical demonic looking figures and that's enough to scare most people. I never let it frighten me though and as a result I have acquired a great deal of information about what life is like beyond the physical world. So while these beings may be clever and may be masters of deception behind it all they are just your average malevolent astral beings. And having run into many dark beings that don't hide who they are I can tell you as I said before they really are a joke. I had a bunch of them beat the hell out of me during an OBE once. It didn't hurt and all it did was piss me off. This was back when I was relatively new to astral projection. I've learned a lot since then so now I'm the one who almost always wins in a confrontation.

Because since then I've gotten very good at self defense in the astral. In the past I've literally thrown fire and lightning at them. I can also change my shape to something more intimidating. Such as the hulk but with thick electric spike covered heavy armor and chainsaws for hands. Usually when they know you can do this they will leave you alone. So these guys are far from all powerful. So if they do try to trick you next time just turn into something really scary looking and tell them to take a hike.

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I've studied hundreds of NDEs and they are very similar to the OBEs I've had. People who are blind during NDEs can see. I'm not blind but I have crappy vision but I have had OBEs where I had excellent vision. I didn't even know what that was like until I had those experiences. Also people who have NDEs report seeing colors that don't exist here. I've had that happen during OBEs as well. People also report that NDEs are hyper real and way more real then the physical world. I've had OBEs that were so real they make this world seem like a bad dream by comparison. People who have NDEs also report that they don't communicate with other entities using words but rather telepathically with concepts and ideas. I've experienced this communicating with other entities during OBEs. So what exactly am I missing here? From what I can tell an NDE seems a lot like an OBE to me.

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When you leave this world you have the power of a god. Nothing can hurt you. And you can create whatever you want with your mind. The people that are behind all of this use mind games to get you to reincarnate. Because force doesn't work in the afterlife. How can you force a godlike being that can take any form and create whatever it wants to do anything? You can't. I had an OBE yesterday where I caught a lightsaber blade with my bare hands. To my surprise it didn't take my hands clean off. And it didn't hurt either. So if even lightsabers can't harm us in the afterlife I doubt anything else they have is going to be able to either.

I know that neither fire nor electricity can hurt you in the afterlife (sorry religious people but fire doesn't actually hurt or burn you in the afterlife. You will feel the heat but that's it!). Neither can high speed impacts. I've fallen tens of thousands of feet and landed on concrete and even that didn't hurt. So nothing they can do is going to hurt you. It's not like here where they can just have a bunch of armed thugs march around and people get in line.

There are no police states in the afterlife because such a thing would be completely ineffective. There are no empires either for the same reason. There are places that look like hell but even they can't hurt you because fire can't hurt you. Believe me I've been to what people call hell quite a few times and it's a picnic compared to this world. So, no they can't force you to reincarnate. For one thing if you wanted to evade them they could never keep up with you. You can move faster then the flash over there both on the ground and in the air. You can also manifest an energy shield around you that will keep anyone away from you. As long as that shield is up they can't do jack to you. I've used shields to repel entities during OBEs and they are very effective. So you really don't have to worry about it. Just don't go along with them or fall for their mind games. And be prepared to evade them and shield yourself and you will be fine."

[RunningDeer]

What Happens When We Die Exactly?

“One needs to start training now throughout their lifetime to make sure they have a strong will and sense of sovereignty so when they die, they do not get manipulated by these beings to go into any force tunnels or .…”

“Be prepared, NOT scared.”

“…you need to train your soul so that when you die, when you see the tunnel, you don’t go in to it. But you stand in your heart center and say, “I go into the love of the true One Creator now.” You keep focusing and try to go through the stargate of your heart. Not the tunnel. You go inward. Again as always, you go inward. You keep asking to be taken to the true reality.”

*****

Rachel a.k.a. PigtailGurl is a new YouTuber. Here’s the link to her channel, and this is from her “about” page:

My channel is dedicated to the pursuit of happiness which is a state of being that comes about when one is whole and balanced and standing in one's power. I will share with you all any knowledge and wisdom I have picked up along my life journey, and hopefully we can learn a few new things together ;-) I look forward to getting to know you in the comments sections and also feel free to let me know if you have any issues you would like to see me address. I am not a doctor but I can certainly offer lots of advice upon your path to wholeness and balance. I also love to delve into freedom and topics of spiritual significance. We are all butterflies waiting to happen.

*****

I like what Rachel has to share. For myself, ’true reality’ is ever changing. For starters, it changes each time I drop a limiting belief and pay attention to the within signals. And a big yes to discovery of one’s strong will and sense of sovereignty.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8_h_FBL91CI

Published on Jun 17, 2017

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[onawah]

The stumbling block for many people seems to be the concepts surrounding the term "light".
I've described some of my altered states in other threads, but I will briefly describe some of them here.
When I was in my early 20s, I got into a state called "The White Light" while I was tripping on LSD.
There was indeed a huge amount of light I was experiencing, but it wasn't just light, it was love and joy and intelligence so densely packed that it felt like the energy of a million suns, filling my being and my mind, but it was so consuming that it left me feeling like I was no longer myself, and it was kind of scary.
But that didn't last, and when I came back down the next day, ordinary daylight felt very deficient in comparison, and later on I discovered that my nervous system had not been prepared for that flood of energy and there were long lasting side effects.
I think the problem wasn't so much with the light, it was that I wasn't really prepared for that much energy flooding into my system all at once, which is no doubt why yogis go to great lengths to prepare their bodies for enlightenment experiences.
A few years later I was living at a Zen Center/commune in the mountains of Virginia, where we meditated and chanted long hours every day.
We all got into very blissful states, but I had one very transformative experience that lasted only for a few moments when I saw that all of creation was illuminated from within with the softest, gentlest, most loving and nurturing luminous energy that I identified as the Tao.
It wasn't as intense or blinding as the light when I was tripping, but it was so much more natural and comfortable and just "right".
I sensed that I could go deeper and deeper into it the more I opened myself to it, and perhaps finally just melt into it.
I fell more deeply in love with Nature after that than I ever imagined I could, as I saw Nature as a kind of portal to the Source, and the Sun as the entrance to that portal.
Unfortunately, the Zen Center broke up after I had been there for only one year, and I had to return to city life, which was a horrible culture shock.
A few years later, I had a Near Death Experience when I was hit by a drunk hit and run driver and left for dead in the street.
There were witnesses, and so an ambulance was called and I was taken, unconscious, to a hospital emergency room.
But my body shut down in the ER and I had been given up for dead when two friends arrived who the hospital had called, having found their numbers in my handbag.
They were standing just outside the ER watching through a window.
I was in a horrible, dark and very scary place, totally unaware of my body or where I was when I felt their presence.
There was a light associated with their presence, but it was the essence of their souls that I felt and there was no mistaking who they were.
They were calling me back, and I followed those streaming energies which brought me back into my body and revived me into what is called a "spontaneous remission".
I did not see any tunnel or angels or any kind of beings when I was OBE, but possibly I had just not been there long enough.
But my take on the "false light" at death now is that I will be able to sense who and/or what is false when the time comes, though I want to continue meditating and preparing myself as much as possible for that day.
My favorite way of doing that is to be alone and out in Nature, feeling the oneness and freedom in the pure consciousness of all living things.
I think another stumbling block in people's thinking has to do with believing that they will meet loved ones after death and that that will be the ultimate experience they can have.
I think the best goal is not to sell ourselves short but to go back to Source, and then choose what we want our next step to be.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Everyday I declare my soverignty, at least once, usually more.

"I am sovereign. I choose love. Love is what I Am." Often what feels like electricity flows through my body.

Followed by:

"I give thanks for knowing that I (everyone) am an extesion of Source energy, on Prime Creator's never ending journey of creation and self discovery."

"I give thanks for knowing that the power that creates worlds flows through me. I ask to use this energy with wisdom and much love."

"From the Lord God of my Being, I use this energy that creates worlds to restore my physical body to its natural healthy youthful configuration. So be it. Do it now."

Some thoughts about the Light Trap:

Avoid it. Go the other way.

Affirm "I go home to Source." Affirm this every day.

If one gets trapped and goes before a board of entities, possibly wanting to appear as authority figures, possibly the "Lords of Karma" who may attempt to trick one into giving permission to enter another cycle of incarnation, consider doing this:

I say, "I do not consent."

I say, "I go home to Source."

They say, "You are out of order."

I say, "Who the hell are you? What will you do now, take away my drivers license?"

No need to call upon others to help. This may be a test of claiming your own power. Call upon the power within you and command "Set me free now."

[Swan]

Dear Onawah, sometimes the Thank you button just isn´t enough. Thank you so much for sharing.

[we-R-one]

Satire

So this morning I had to run some errands and quickly caved to a diet coke craving. Ya, ya I know, it converts to formaldehyde in the body…we’re all gonna die some day of something…oh that’s right, we don’t really die!

Speaking of that… so I go through the drive thru of a McDonald's, pay for my soda at the first window and as I’m pulling up to the second window there’s this loud crash. I look off to the front right of me onto the main road and see where two cars just smashed into one another. Smoke is billowing from one car, while the other car has its horn blaring non-stop. My hand is over my mouth in shock as I feel badly for those involved, just knowing the rest of their day is ruined. It’s a four lane road, two lanes on each side with a middle lane people use to turn into business’ on either side. The one car was attempting to cross the first two lanes by turning left and didn’t see the other car coming into the middle lane to turn into a business. Anyways, the McDonald ladies were quite entertaining…. as one is snapping pictures of the scene out the drive up window, the older lady of the two, says, Ooh that happens there all the time!!! Shaking her head in disapproval she goes on to say that they’ve witnessed some doozies while working the drive thru window…She says, ‘people insist on trying to turn left out of the shopping center to beat the light, if they’d just go around to the traffic light they wouldn’t get hit!’ She hands me my diet coke(light on the ice) and as I began to drive off, she shouts wagging her finger, ‘go to the light, make sure you always go to the light!!!’

ROFL

Moral of the story….Hey, even the McDonald’s employees understand..If you don’t ‘go to the light’ you run the risk of making a poor choice and having a wreck, could this be an example of the hologram in play, lol….just sayin…..

[greybeard]

Just a thought ortwo.
The situation immediately after leaving thebody is quite different---for one thing you are no longer physical.
You are therefore no longer male or female --you may not at first be aware of that of course.
There are other changes going on without doubt.

I doubt if you have any choice about going or not going into the light.

Another consideration is the words of Jesus
"There are many houses in my Fathers Mansion"

This is why it is important to have a positive belief about the hereafter.
The mind of the unenlightened will take you to the thought of destination, at least temporarily (according to one sage)
Whatever the rules of the earth no longer apply---gravity whats that to a spirit body?

NDE (Near death experiences) have similar account.
The Love - the re run of the life spent as seen through those who have been affected by the personality--as though you were tha person.
Seeing thing 360 degrees.

We have all been there--nothing to fear--we are back on earth but will leave again.
If we graduated to enlightenment then we will not return except by choice to help the un-enlightened.

Not saying Im right---its a may be so.

Chris

[DNA]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Just a thought ortwo.
The situation immediately after leaving thebody is quite different---for one thing you are no longer physical.
You are therefore no longer male or female --you may not at first be aware of that of course.
There are other changes going on without doubt.

I doubt if you have any choice about going or not going into the light.

Another consideration is the words of Jesus
"There are many houses in my Fathers Mansion"

This is why it is important to have a positive belief about the hereafter.
The mind of the unenlightened will take you to the thought of destination, at least temporarily (according to one sage)
Whatever the rules of the earth no longer apply---gravity whats that to a spirit body?

NDE (Near death experiences) have similar account.
The Love - the re run of the life spent as seen through those who have been affected by the personality--as though you were tha person.
Seeing thing 360 degrees.

We have all been there--nothing to fear--we are back on earth but will leave again.
If we graduated to enlightenment then we will not return except by choice to help the un-enlightened.

Not saying Im right---its a may be so.

Chris

Agreed with the "many houses" statement.

I will add to that.

Folks get hung up on consciousness being defined from the perspective of a single point of integration.

Dreams have taught me otherwise, and there is quite a bit of literature to back this up as well.

Existing in the physical does not mean you lose consciousness on the "other" side.

Thinking of this in a physics term may help. It is quite understood that light can exist as a photon or a wave, but the real understanding comes when one realizes that light exists as both simultaneously. We can divide our consciousness into varying models with greater or lesser degrees of consciousness, each capable of acting independently and of having senses that think and record data simultaneously and at some point there is an integration of the data.


Many houses indeed, and it is my guess that we can exist in a multitude of them simultaneously as well as exist on the "other" side and reincarnate simultaneously.

Time is often thought of as the ultimate limitation when trying to understood what life on the other side is like, my personal method for over coming this is through acknowledging multiple points of existence at the same time.