Dark Journalist - A Six Part Series on The New Age Deep State

[AutumnW]

Posted by ascendingstarseed (here)
Aloha Everyone!

First I wish to apologize for the delayed response, it's taken a few days to get a handle on all the inquiry's and feedback since my interview aired with DJ on Saturday. The energy since then has been overwhelmingly positive and supportive, which i'm very grateful for.

One big surprise was the outpouring of support coming from Project Avalon, it was also somewhat bittersweet since PA is where I cut my teeth as a blog researcher in 2009-2011. To be honest, that's when I was still green around the ears and I left the forum rather wounded from attacks by several trolls that targeted my posts and comments. Fortunately since then, it's my understanding those elements were eventually removed and things here have settled down.

And, I have also learned to stand in my own power.

That said, I wish to extend my DEEPEST HEARTFELT GRATITUDE to Bill Ryan, Sam Hunter, RunningDeer and everyone else for your outstanding support over the last few days. I'm deeply moved and grateful for all the thoughtful comments, as well as additional information on the Cosmic Drama Disclosure being revealed at this time. It appears Project Avalon is being kept alive and well with incredible teamwork from the Ground Crew!

Mahalo nui

ps...is Ground Crew still an applicable term here in PA, the forum in which I believe the phrase for keyboard warriors was coined? lol!!

"For here am I sitting in my tin can. Can you hear me, Major Tom?"

[waskosky]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

• 1) Are you familiar with the work of Stephen Bassett and PRG? He's been campaigning for Disclosure for a decade, now. If you know about Steve and everything he's done, can you comment?

• 2) Did you watch any of the videos from the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure, in 2013?
  (The videos are here: https://youtube.com/user/CitizenHearing)
  In particular, have you seen this? Just 10 mins — highly recommended:
  
  
  
  Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RxYbmlw8ZLE
  

• 3) What's your opinion of the work of Richard Dolan? Have you read his book AD: After Disclosure?

• 4) Are you familiar with the work of Dr David Jacobs? If you are, what do you think of the conclusions he draws?

• 5) How much do you know about ufology, and its history?
  I know this is a general question, but it'd be useful to know what books you've read, which presenters you've followed, which conferences you may have attended before, and whose work you know and respect. The relevance of this is because in order to comment credibly in this field, one really does need to have some grounding in the subject.
  And, of course, you may have! But as best I know (and please forgive me if I've missed something), what knowledge and background you do have in this field hasn't been stated by you.

Thanks Bill, I will come up with some creative questions for you soon that could open a few doors that have not been touched before from what I have seen.

1. I have certainly been noticing Steve Bassett for a decade and appreciate his work very much, and I think having him operating consistently does bring more credibility to the topic with some individuals in Washington. I don't know if those individuals are going to be able to do anything though, or could drive the wider shift in perspectives necessary to make the topic safer to talk about in a political arena.

I have felt for years that the PRG exopolitics network could have worked well if it had actually gotten exposure and support from more of the major players in the field and their following. It seemed like a chance for unity in the UFO community when I first heard him announce the websites, although not very well executed from a marketing or design standpoint - if Basset had called out for volunteers in marketing areas as Corey did, and made some modest effort to organize a bigger team, this could have possibly taken off in a more expanding way. http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org...tatesLinks.htm

I have considered reaching out to him more for website assistance many times, but feel that he does not have a big enough following for it to make a significant difference without substantially more marketing efforts. This is something I still think about though, a lot.

Bassett may have gathered the respect from many in the field to start a bigger fire, but was possibly trying too hard to play a specific kind of character. I think you may suspect as I do, that the problem with disclosure is not so much about the credibility/quality or quantity of evidence presented somewhere, it is now more about the quality or quantity of channels by which information is being distributed and promoted. This is why I think Gaia needed to step in, or you could say, still needs to step in more credibly while growing quickly among the "low hanging fruit" crowds who are most likely to be further mobilized to influence many others.

2. I've watched about one third of the CHD presentations. I have created a 5 DVD pack of all that material (5+ hrs per DVD) that my friends and I distributed at the Space Symposium (largest space conference) event in Colorado Springs. I still feel guilty that I haven't personally watched it all yet and am giving it out so much. One of my favorite bits was this 5 minute exchange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_HHMMxM30Y

It needs to be MUCH cheaper for wider consumption and MUCH better edited together into shorter viral presentations. It is a big job, and it is another area where volunteers could be called to step in.

3. I haven't read After Disclosure yet but a close friend of mine has and keeps discussing it, so maybe I should. I think Richard Dolan does great work, is highly logical and well researched, but is just somewhat close minded and unimaginative about what is possible, and for that reason I feel he will always be wrong in many of his conclusions. He still holds an extremely valuable corner of the community for credible presentation among many newcomers.

I feel that the messages of positive ETs are consistently that we need to be raising our consciousness and spreading philosophy of love and forgiveness. I feel that the crowds who are spreading spiritually heavy material are just as important as the crowds spreading intellectually fortified views, and that this represents a kind of divine masculine and divine feminine balance to the transition that are both equally significant to pushing consciousness upward.

I think the mandela effect is a good example of how consciousness may be altering reality to a degree Dolan would likely not be able to accept. I am not sure to what degree the mandela effect itself will be a useful tool to "wake people up" but it does seem to help with some people I have met who get excited to do more research.

4. I have only briefly reviewed David Jacobs's statements. I certainly don't think there is any danger existing from genetic experimentation or hybrid type work being done through abductions. I have personally interviewed around 6 to 10 abductees here in Colorado Springs who have been drawn to my Meetup group. I have a very intuitive friend who (through a technique I will not name) was able to remember involvement in a hybrid type program, and she did not have a negative view about the intentions of those behind it. She also had memories of connections to military facilities for some of that process. Another abductee I talked with had memory of a person in full military uniform on board a craft. I can only conclude that multiple categories of abductions seem to be occurring and believe this is what Corey also has expressed. I think each category is a complicated subject in itself and am not very familiar with all the research there.

5. Maybe you will remember me if you check 46:17 in this Awake and Aware 2009 video with Duncan. I was 24 at the time. https://youtu.be/knP2xOX0x_k?t=2777

I attended the Awake and Aware conferences in LA and in Irvine, I actually rode my bike every day to the Irvine conference as I was living nearby at the time. Henry Deacon was sitting a couple rows in front of me at one point but I was too nervous to go ask him anything.

I suspect that at this point I have been exposed to most all the major players, events, and ideas in the better known history of ufology, to a degree. I started researching in 2006 at the tail end of my college time and went into a crazy binge for years trying to soak everything in.

I primarily skim read hundreds of books I downloaded in PDF format over a period of 3 years, downloaded from the torrent site conspiracycentral.net now living at https://concen.org/ (this was how people distributed large archives and videos before Youtube and Google Video made it very easy). I basically sought out everything on every topic that I had not yet heard of to try to give myself a thorough overview of all types of suppressed knowledge I could find.

At the start of my research I was initially inspired by reading Steven Greer's books, since it was the Disclosure Project that initially woke me up in 2006 to realize I had been lied to in more ways than I could easily understand without substantial research. But he did stick in me a bias to suspect that everything mentioning reptilians must be disinformation, up until I read the Law of One books in 2008 and began connecting more dots about negative influences with stories I had heard.

Early on I found a 15+ hours compilation of MP3s of the raw audio of Disclosure Project interviews that leaked from Steven Greer, much of it went beyond what was even in his "Disclosure" book. Since most people will not read books, I usually point people to his Youtube channel which has most of the best testimony, I think I have watched all of this now, and still think this is one of the best resources available on the internet https://www.youtube.com/user/csetiweb/videos

I have always been most interested in raw data from ET contact experiences and communications, like Orfeo Angelucci, Howard Menger, and less interested in speculation from researchers who limit their data. But I do not think we can trust all information just because it is claimed to be from an ET source, there are too many contradictions for that to be the case. I do think that Corey's explanation that certain inner earth groups and ET groups will lie about their origin for security purposes makes a lot of sense.

In January 2007 I began scouring the Edgar Cayce readings in an early HTML version and that was a tremendous benefit to my spiritual healing and cosmological theories, and so then it felt like freaky timing to find out about David Wilcock later that year through Camelot, and that made me more likely to dive into the Law of One soon after. Once I did read the Law of One, it became harder to so highly respect the many researchers who had not, and who to me felt stuck closer to square one with their speculations of plausible explanations for observed phenomenon.

I know of your recently mentioned short list of recommended researchers. Dolan, Howe, Good, Knapp, Marrs, Wilson. I read Jim Marrs books early on, and might want to read Colin Wilson at some point soon.

I do not think that a persons familiarity with the history of the UFO topic, as it has been presented by generally respected researchers, should be seen as a very strong correlative factor with a persons ability to understand what is really going on with UFOs or secret space programs, primarily because of how little most researchers actually seem to know even after a lifetime of research. But it does bother me a great deal when people soak up information from certain information rich sources without questioning it at all, and not having any background in more information which could contradict it does seem like an issue. To me, the issue for newcomers seems more related to personal research standards than with general exposure to a lot of other researchers.

I will address the latest questions of others another day.

[Flash]

What michael wakoski is describing in terms of marketing seems strangely like disclosure but from the blue beam version. To me, such marketing thinking comes entirely from a business thinking format for a product/service market coverage and sales.

Really Michael, even your language usage smells sales all over (low hanging fruits). PEOPLE ARE NOT FRUITS to be picked up! Gosh...

Don't you see that even your psyche is being used?

This way of doing and thinking has nothing to do with true disclosure and everything to do with money. I would hire you for my marketing and sales, you've got talent.

But I do pity the people caught in this marketing and sales net of yours because, like Anette, they go in with their hearts and hopes, that is what you are Selling to them while in fact selling them off for money

This is not a product Michael, this is the opening of humans hearts to have it used for money. And in my eyes, you are a full participant into this exploitation, your strategies are showing it

If you ever have a hint of love and empathy for people, and respect for them, stop marketing or selling them anything deem spiritual or disclosure right now.

otherwise you will be the one carrying the guilt for having used your genuine abilities to create havoc in their hearts and soul. Corey won't at all, ever ever feel bad nor the money maker owner of Gaia. They are made inside not to feel with their hearts while making you believe they do.

Higher frequencies and true spiritual development do not pair with strategies for marketing and sales. Otherwise actual existing religions would already have brought us up in frequencies after centuries of exposure to these tactics and soul/hearts exploitation.

Discernment is key, a main one, and it seems to be lacking all around what hou write. Or you are the same as the money makers.

Customer relations, marketing and sales, is my professional high level know how, add to this corporate training. I know when I see talent in these fields and you have Michael

But I also know when we are being had with such tactics and planned strategies. And here we are had.

[Shadowself]

I feel that the messages of positive ETs are consistently that we need to be raising our consciousness and spreading philosophy of love and forgiveness.

That right there is a key.

Because if you get on the forgiveness bandwagon you will forgive their heinous actions. I for one will not forgive EVER. I will not forget EVER!

But what a convenient method to get the UFO crowd to forget those actions! Live in love forgive their actions and all will be beautiful! We will all join a new age religion cult that will forever change our world!

Give me a break!

Look here brother....I've been immersed in the Egyptian saga for a very long time. Don't ask me to explain it would take too long. But suffice it to say I know a whole lot about Ancient Egyptian cultures and tech. While I was immersed into this study I got WAY TOO CLOSE to something and was warned the day before my son died. Actually it was not just a warning it was a promise. A promise they kept. Now I could go into great detail and proof and show you how they broke into my computer and supplied that warning which I made quite public.

At the funeral I ran into the political motivation behind much of what is out there at the moment. Much of what we are seeing now was planned. I happen to have a footprint of that political motivation and directional lean. Almost all of what is happening right now up to and including this Russian meet coming up I have archived. A table with a bear and an eagle and good old Ra collective in all his glory! I have it time stamped and archived.

Do I for one moment think it was the great god Ra that warned me my son was going to die the day before? Hell no!

For a long time I thought I was on a spiritual journey...until I finally woke up to what was really happening. I've seen the Ra collective and guess what. It was a blue orb so bright it hurt to look! Ra collective my ass! I was being politically motivated! Again...political motivation is a great thing you know? I wrote about the Syrian war before it started! How does that happen? And I wrote about it in a different language. Then I woke the hell up!

Oh how convenient to join the deep state to forgive and forget! Spread love and unity while they get away with MURDER to protect their damned secrets! The secrets that citizens paid for! Yes you and Corey Goode and Roger whoever and David and the like...with all your marketing expertise now...are going to tell me to get right and spiritual and forget that my son is dead because of this political move we are now immersed in? I should join a new age religion and all will be right with the world? Are you Sirius?

I don't think so. Not in a million years will I forgive and forget. Ever. I will not join some new age religion based on a lie, and I will not join this ridiculous cause you all call disclosure! Because out of real disclosure will come some of the most heinous deeds ever...out of that will not come religion nor spiritual awareness. Out of real disclosure will come outrageous truth and in the end we will finally see who has been pulling the damned strings!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by waskosky (here)
Thanks Bill, I will come up with some creative questions for you soon that could open a few doors that have not been touched before from what I have seen.

Good! I look forward to them. (Genuinely. )

And thanks so much for your very detailed reply. Very much appreciated, and I'm sure by many others also.

I'm delighted you are so well-versed in the subject. The history of all of ufology (including contactee/abductee claims) is important. We all have a lot to learn from that. We ignore the hall of mirrors at our collective peril.

My only comment right now, if I may — necessarily abbreviated because I have a very busy day right now — is that marketing, and corporate financially-focused thinking, have no (ZERO) place in ufology, or spirituality. I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone about that.

[AutumnW]

Shadowself, Do you think that any ET experiences are positive? Just curious. I feel very sorry for you and the loss of your son. Can I PM you about that?

[Foxie Loxie]

@ Shadowself...

So many of us have been hurt by these "forgiveness" memes...is there NO accountability for one's actions?!! I get what you are saying!

[Shadowself]

Thanks guys...but this is not about me this is about what what this thread is ultimately about.

The "DEEP STATE NEW AGE MOVEMENT" and it's getting thick out there. Really thick. I for one applaud Daniel Liszt for bringing this to the table for discussion. Mind you, the saga of Corey Goode has been disputed since the get go...It's only now it's being revealed as it should be as marketing plan to lull us into submission through our emotions of love and spirituality. Also lets not forget for financial gain.
For the facts that I stated in my last small paragraph....Disclosure is not some spiritual journey...nor should it be.

What real disclosure will provide is closure for people like me not some fantasy love train!

[norman]

We are manipulated through our fears and desires and our empathy.

Our fears have been discussed almost to death.

Our desires almost likewise, except for our desire to have an alternative to being lied to from birth to death.

Our empathy is still pretty much an uncharted wild card, at least in the public discussion, though I'm pretty sure the bad guys have got it very well worked out.

[Jad]

The masses love happy endings! They are conditioned by Hollywood/religion/society to expect happy endings. ( Suffer now/Heaven Later, work like a donkey now and retire later, the Hero struggles but always prevails at the end, lovers separated but reunited in the end...)
So don't be surprised when a charlatan like Goode, a man without a single honest bone in his body, comes in and promises the end of all suffering/poverty at the hands of these blue Avians/Angels! People are literally eating from his hand in conferences because they are conditioned to accept that their salvation is forthcoming... whereas in actuality the truth is harsh and disappointing...
It's obvious that this whole Corey Circus is coming to an end very soon, so the question is: what's the next distraction in store for us? I mean will we ever witness real genuine disclosure in our lifetime? Or that's simply my hope programming kicking in...

[UfonautRadio]

We are live tonight folks @ 8PM PST. Avaloners ALWAYS welcome!

http://www.psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio/

-JR

[anandacate]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

My only comment right now, if I may — necessarily abbreviated because I have a very busy day right now — is that marketing, and corporate financially-focused thinking, have no (ZERO) place in ufology, or spirituality. I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone about that.

I came upon a recent video interview of Michael Tsarion about the marketing industry. Unfortunately, the sound quality for Michael is quite poor. Is there any way to fix it?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A3N65oumUMo

Thank you, norman!

Posted by norman (here)
As an audio file, I've carefully tweaked it to make it much easier to listen to:
MP3
https://app.box.com/s/7gv89w5tnjwhr0rfoouhj8iittj42cca

[SunSea]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
Thanks, Shadowself, for posting the video from pig-tail girl about David Wilcock.

It appears to me that Wilcock does not actually do any "research". How many regressions has he conducted with abductees/contactees/whistleblowers? That's where you will find the truth (as long as you know how to get around implanted, false, "screen" memories.)

He promotes Ra as being a good guy which is totally false. He does not research--He only promulgates belief systems, which is what most new agers do. They don't do research--They just promote and believe in anything the "feels good". That's not research!

Correctly done regressions is where the rubber meets the road. So how many regressions have David Wilcock or Corey Goode conducted or undergone? So far I have not seen any evidence of that.

I do think that Wilcock has good intentions and is basically a good person (like most new agers) but he lacks discernment to be a credible mouthpiece for the subject material he claims to know. So far I've never found a new ager who actually conducts his/her own independent research into these subjects.

As I have said many times before, abductees are followed from lifetime to lifetime and are sometimes used in high-level positions in religions, secret societies, government, etc by the abducting ETs. That's where we can discover the truth about ETs, what they are doing and how they are doing it.

This is the key to unlock these mysteries and my main point is that anyone with sufficient intelligence can duplicate my research and thus verify my research as well. This is not rocket science and the techniques can be easily and quickly learned.

I am particularly annoyed by people who put up videos on ETs, etc, like they actually know what's going on. They do no research. They think that research is just about interviewing whistleblowers, reading books, watching YouTube videos, etc, ad nauseum.

So the first question to pose to these pretend "researchers" is what actual research have you done with ET contactees/abductees? How many regressions have they conducted with how many abductees/contactees? Are they conducting the regressions correctly? (BTW, even David Jacob's techniques are sloppy, asking leading questions, implanting suggestions under hypnosis, etc.)

Although I have done years of hands on regression research with real abductees and contactees, I am a real whistleblower who has exposed a US/Grays DUMB, I have recovered a great many abductions of my own in this lifetime and many past lives, I am not asked to be interviewed, apparently because people would rather hold onto their warm and fuzzy belief systems than confront the truth. However, I will offer my assistance to anyone who wants to do this actual research. But I'm not interested in being a part of this "UFO" circus.

I think this state of affairs is indicative of the general lack of discernment in the new age community as well as the typical "UFO" mouthpieces. And they are just too damn lazy to actually do their own research. They're no different than spectators at a football game.

Unfortunately, these false "researchers" have derailed any credible research and they are just mouthpiece "presenters" now in the entertainment industry implanting potential truthseekers with the lies that have been created by "government" stooges in the military/intelligence sectors and by the abducting ETs themselves.

Hello TrumanCash, you have interesting things to say and I've started reading your first book. One thing thats caught my attention is your perspective on the entity Ra. You say here "He promotes Ra as being a good guy which is totally false." I haven't read your second book which likely explains this but here are my thoughts on the matter. In "The Ra Material", Ra is never described as a single entity but a social memory complex and always refer to themselves as "we". Here is a quote from the book: Book 1, Session 1, p. 66

Questioner: I've heard the name "Ra" in connection with the Egyptians. Are you connected with that Ra in any way ?
RA: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We, as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called "lost cities" were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.
We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is formed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.
When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law Of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in.
Other myths, shall we say, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibration that are complex, again took over in that particular society/complex.

It is my viewpoint, unlike several here, that not all channeled material is bunk. It's true that in recent years we have been bombarded with a ton of crap coming through channelers which has had the affect of making people passive and complacent. A detour on our true road to personal and group evolution, craftily executed. But to lump all channeled material into this mix is a mistake as I see it. In doing this we throw out legitimate information coming from a more advanced source which is intent on helping us to grow and understand. I contend these advanced, beneficent beings are REAL and one day, with our continued self work, we may be there also. If we dismiss the good and lump it in with the bad we are doing the work of those that would keep us ignorant. I also add, that direct, personal contact with these beings is possible and ongoing.

The Ra Material is one source I consider to be among the very few channeled works that holds value for humanity, Edger Cayce another. With all such material, we are to keep our discernment and critical thinking skills intact and not swallow whole or follow blindly. Its important to keep in mind, any info obtained in this manner is not 100% accurate due to the limitations of the channeler and other possible interfering influences. One looks for the nuggets of gold and what is practical, usable and bears fruit. Self work is always the goal and removing the obstacles within us that allow us to move into a more advanced state.

With that being said, I consider what you say about this evil entity Ra. Could it be, this being has taken the name of Ra which in the context of The Ra Material is a benevolent group entity intent on furthering humanities progress? I think this makes sense and fits with what we know of otherworldly entities whose purpose is to deceive. What better way to destroy the enemy then to defame its name with acts of cruelty. You quote from the book "The Gods of Eden" and I consider how this fits with whats said there. Bramley posits that during Earths history there have been periods where a "Maverick Religion" was introduced to counteract the "Custodial Religion" run by the controllers and lords of entropy. Jesus was one such Maverick whose teachings where quickly corrupted perhaps Ra was another considreing the quote I wrote above.

There have been many casualties in this Goode, Wilcock, Ramsuer, Gaia production. Truth, integrity, gullible people, the Secret Space Program and The Law of One or The Ra Material. Maybe discrediting this work is one purpose or maybe just an added bonus. Now that Wilcock has become such a sell out the Law of One is going down with him.

"However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is formed by its very nature".

Maybe thats happening again.

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

[Omni]

Posted by SunSea (here)
But to lump all channeled material into this mix is a mistake as I see it. In doing this we throw out legitimate information coming from a more advanced source which is intent on helping us to grow and understand.

Personally I think there is not one channeling since Edward Cayce that is not at least partially a psychological operation of some sort. I do not think the benevolent ETs fill that field. After genuine contact with extraterrestrials frankly I do not see their intelligence translated into channelings. It all has the flavor of CIA or U.S. military New Age PSYOPS Ai in my opinion.

[Chester]

Hi Michael,

Again, I appreciate you have taken the time to write such a detailed and lengthy reply to Bill Ryan’s questions (post #342).

There are several questions/concerns that came to my mind when I read this reply but I wish to ask you to read the following for the purposes of understanding why some of us have great concerns with the methods used and the directions that have been taken by some who have emerged as an organized, well-funded, heavily reliant on marketing, loosely connected and, at the core, very connected sub group within the overall disclosure movement which is not simply pushing for disclosure (and what is disclosed), but seems to have an additional and perhaps larger goal which I will explain herein.

The goal of the direction I have observed is to elevate information to the same status as what most grounded researchers would judge to be more reliable information (more reliable because of several factors far more compelling than “personal testimony” alone, testimony without any additional support for its ‘realness’ such as documentation, other forms of proof, etc.). It seems that what has become a significant sub movement within the overall “disclosure movement” has, in some ways, encroached upon (or at least ridden on the coattails of) a well established disclosure movement; a movement that is decades old and has relied far more on solid, supported, documented and referenced research.

This new sub-movement has ignored the importance of backing up claims of experiences and/or claims of one’s ‘role’ (such as a “20 and back SSP intuitive empath”) with any form of grounded verification. It seems logical that without any real verification and/or proof, the vulnerable run the risk of believing false stories that fit in false narratives that become the underpinnings of the information coming from Corey Goode (and his supporters) as an example. And though my observation is that Corey is not alone in doing this, I happen to have personal experience directly with Corey Goode and have studied his case much more closely than other similar cases in addition to my own personal experiences with Corey Goode.

Having said the above, I would like to use a metaphor with regards to what I see as an emerging result beyond “disclosure” – a process and goal.

…the planting of and watering/fertilizing of seeds such that a plant grows that produces flowers where in this case, those flowers are the components behind an emergent UFO/New Agey type “religion.”

So in this one part of your response found within post #342, you state (and I quote but have replaced two words with identifiers for the moment)

I feel that the messages of XXXXX are consistently that we need to be raising our consciousness and spreading philosophy of love and forgiveness. I feel that the crowds who are spreading spiritually heavy material are just as important as the crowds spreading intellectually fortified views, and that this represents a kind of divine masculine and divine feminine balance to the transition that are both equally significant to pushing consciousness YYYYY.

XXXXX = [positive ETs]

YYYYY = [upward]

In the case of XXXXX and because there is zero proof that these messages come from “Positive ETs,” the risk is obvious – what if “the messages” come from anything else?

Also, what if “the messages” are made up?

Each of these last two questions are able to be expanded into many more questions but I will hold back on that for now… as I wish to make the second point.

In the case of YYYYY you have stated a direction for “consciousness” to move. The word used is “upward.” In giving the benefit of the doubt that what is meant by “upward” is a direction such that those who might move into that direction, (both individually and as a collective), by so doing, improve the lives (and in applicable situations, soul journeys) of all beings everywhere.

So who decides what is “upward” with regards to consciousness, what the results of that "upward" should be and for who should this all apply? Who decides what defines "upward consciousness?"

Surely if we accept that it is up to each individual on their own free will to make these decisions and either go their own direction, follow the direction of any other group or follow along the direction of Corey’s group then where do we draw the line with regards to “pushing” what is subjectively derived as “consciousness upward” by using forms of doing so which might “steer” the more vulnerable?

How does one decide for themselves that their role in “pushing” (steering) is “the right thing to do?”

So now I ask you directly as your forte is marketing by again using my metaphor –

It seems to me that marketing plays the role of shining the all needed “sunlight” for these seeds to turn into the lotus flower producing plants where it is these same lotus flowers the vulnerable so easily eat and become addicted to.

And more questions -

If someone who is a master at marketing uses those skills to “market” something, what matters for that marketer to “do the work” a.) that they might raise their own profile such that they end up being paid (and perhaps well paid) for their future work b.) that they have been promised to be handed 'paying' projects as the movement grows and more or c.) that they are getting paid as they produce the work?

Does it matter that the marketer must also feel that what they are marketing is truly for the good of the target market? Maybe I should ask you directly if this matters to you?

And so if your answer is that it doesn’t matter, ok… I accept that and I accept your honesty about that.

But if your answer is, for yourself, that it does matter and you support this form of “disclosure” even with the emergence that much more (essentially a new religion) is coming from this particular movement in the form of “pushing consciousness upward,” how important is it to you that someone like Corey is actually being truthful considering his central role in being the sole messenger of the Blue Avians?

And if that is also important, and this is my primary question… how have you determined that Corey has been and is being truthful? What data points have you acquired that make a good case that Corey is being truthful?

If there’s no proof (and their isn’t), what else does one have to rely upon with regards to believing fantastical claims than one’s actual, provable track record in honesty? And also, if there are other provable criteria to make a fair conclusion as to someone’s integrity, should that not be weighed?

If so, and there’s provable information available that demonstrates behaviors which then push the scales of doubt heavily downward in the negative direction, are you willing to look at that and, if you then see that it is far more likely Corey (and whoever else has been involved with Corey’s story creation) has maybe been pulling the wool over the eyes of so many… would you still be involved in marketing this form of “disclosure” knowing also that a certain form of “pushed consciousness” that is subjectively determined to be “upward” (ie. good) is perhaps the most significant result of all this? Again… assuming you eventually conclude that most if not all of what is the basis for it all is nothing but a con job?

Wouldn’t it be important for you to truly know Corey’s provable, past record with truthfulness and integrity?

[ascendingstarseed]

Yvonne Palermo's response to latest hit piece on her from Goode and Co., the vid also included Derrick Faust. In-joy!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1hCqrib1SQ

Original video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bsppPhrk7eM

[Flash]

Posted by ascendingstarseed (here)
Yvonne Palermo's response to latest hit piece on her from Goode and Co., the vid also included Derrick Faust. In-joy!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1hCqrib1SQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1hCqrib1SQ

Original video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bsppPhrk7eM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsppPhrk7eM&t=1478s

Sabrina and Sterling: No research, no true thinking, just plain talking against others, not even structured enough to have a thought thread worth it, much better reading Michael here, at least there is some logic to it.

What i have seen from Goode here on Avalon and on TOT is enough to never want to have to deal with him, before I heard about his lies on me.

I can't believe people are as stupid as those women.

Why don't they make true research. All the threads are fully opened here.

Sounds like high school - of course on facebook, what else. No real critical analysis. Why posting those Annette?

Full success -bravo the deep state, you have succeeded, with a nut head, to divide people as much as you succeeded in the political arena during the last elections.

[SunSea]

Posted by Omnisense (here)

Posted by SunSea (here)
But to lump all channeled material into this mix is a mistake as I see it. In doing this we throw out legitimate information coming from a more advanced source which is intent on helping us to grow and understand.

Personally I think there is not one channeling since Edward Cayce that is not at least partially a psychological operation of some sort. I do not think the benevolent ETs fill that field. After genuine contact with extraterrestrials frankly I do not see their intelligence translated into channelings. It all has the flavor of CIA or U.S. military New Age PSYOPS Ai in my opinion.

Hi Omnisence, Why am I not surprised you say this?

I do not think the benevolent ETs fill that field

I dont think benevolent ET's fill that field either. Well, they all claim to be benevolent, wrapped up in knowledge and light and its all become very sophisticated over time. This is the psychological operation your referring to and very true. What I described above doesn't have anything to do with "aliens". Its my understanding of how the Uni/Multiverse works, that there are beings more advanced then us and we are able to make contact with them for purposes of learning and assistance. No WOO WOO involved! Its the natural state of things we have become mostly separated from. I dont place them in the category of aliens but beings who have made it to the place we are going and offer a helping hand.

I'm of the opinion positive ET's would not interfere in what happens here since that violates free will. We've made our own bed so to speak and we'll learn(hopefully) from the circumstances. They're not going to swoop in and save the day or show their ships in the sky, and all this other stuff, thats the other bunch.

Personally I think there is not one channeling since Edward Cayce that is not at least partially a psychological operation of some sort. I

The vast majority of the channelings since Edger Cayce are bogus for one reason or another or to one degree or other, I agree. BUT, how can we rule out the possibility a few may be able to slip through the cracks of control and make contact and bring back useful information just as Cayce did? That opening is still available. To put things in such absolute terms is unrealistic I think. There always needs to be discernment as I mentioned above with the one bringing through the info as well as the receiver. One would need to read the material to see if there is useful information there or not before dismissing it completely. But only if inclined...

After genuine contact with extraterrestrials frankly I do not see their intelligence translated into channelings. It all has the flavor of CIA or U.S. military New Age PSYOPS Ai in my opinion

So, you have had genuine contact with ET's? Thats interesting. Do you have a description of that somewhere? I'm a bit confused by your statement. Where the ET's you met(?) of the PSYOP flavor or where they so advanced their intelligence couldn't be shared by channeling?.

As I was writing this so many new , interesting posts have been added!!!

[norman]

Posted by anandacate (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

My only comment right now, if I may — necessarily abbreviated because I have a very busy day right now — is that marketing, and corporate financially-focused thinking, have no (ZERO) place in ufology, or spirituality. I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone about that.

I came upon a recent video interview of Michael Tsarion about the marketing industry. Unfortunately, the sound quality for Michael is quite poor. Is there any way to fix it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3N65oumUMo

As an audio file, I've carefully tweaked it to make it much easier to listen to:
MP3
https://app.box.com/s/7gv89w5tnjwhr0rfoouhj8iittj42cca

[Shadowself]

Posted by ascendingstarseed (here)
Yvonne Palermo's response to latest hit piece on her from Goode and Co., the vid also included Derrick Faust. In-joy!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1hCqrib1SQ

Original video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bsppPhrk7eM

Thank you. The Sabrina and Sterling duo lost me when they said that most millennials don't like to read books but prefer youtube videos. Believe me it show with those two!

But I did listen and had no idea who Yvonne Palermo was so I checked. TBI and mental deficiency? Say what? I enjoyed the hell out of her! She's sharp too. I listened to several of her videos and found this one. So give this bubbly smart young lady who is great at interviews and quick witted a listen. I think you'll find it interesting...apparently his art was found at Gaia TV and some of the venues where Cory preaches...

Thank you ascendingstarseed for your take on Cory Goode and again as I stated before...they own you money! I do have to thank the two youtubers for introducing me to Yvonne because she is thoroughly entertaining and sharp!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9hRbBwrXyxM