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    I have a slightly different approach than survival:

    Figure out what is your uniqueness, your unique contribution to the world if you can - and make it.

    How do plants survive ? They blossom, they flower. Their seed is their contribution to the next generation. Having performed their purpose, they die, but their seed lives on.

    So might your unique contribution to the world and those around you live on after your death.

    Worse for me than the thought of not surviving is the thought of never realising what that contribution may be. To some it comes easily, for most of us it is much harder.

    So many distractions in life that we may end up spending little time with our true selves.

    How do you survive a car crash? How do you survive heart failure? How do you survive cancer? How do you survive old age? How do you survive retirement?

    For me, survival is the wrong tree to bark up, but I know that is truth for some. And if it is your truth, then you are right to live it. But it's not mine.

    I'm looking for my own truth, and Brown dwarf stars do not exist in my reality. Not today, anyway.

    Actually, neither does Bill Deagle (any more)

    K

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    I do not think we should survive at any cost. I won't kill anybody else, or steal the food they need or let people around me starve to death to survive myself. I guess I am not 'the fittest' to survive but I do not feel we have to live at any cost. Perhaps I'd change my mind if the time comes but I do not think so.

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    Despite what others think the proof is in the pudding, here in PR when an actual hurricane hit the island everyone came together to clear the roads of trees and the obstacles that where on the roads. Neighbors acted as neighbors helping each other. It seems that in times of tragedy and disasters people become more caring. For a few days while this type of situation takes place the best in people comes to the surface .
    This is also why in my opinion no one can accurately predict the future our behavior defies common logic . Is good to prepare in some way for the worse by giving the best of ourselves when this type of events takes place. Just my opinion.

    Many blessings to all..

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    Quote Posted by frank samuel (here)
    Despite what others think the proof is in the pudding, here in PR when an actual hurricane hit the island everyone came together to clear the roads of trees and the obstacles that where on the roads. Neighbors acted as neighbors helping each other. It seems that in times of tragedy and disasters people become more caring. For a few days while this type of situation takes place the best in people comes to the surface .
    This is also why in my opinion no one can accurately predict the future our behavior defies common logic . Is good to prepare in some way for the worse by giving the best of ourselves when this type of events takes place. Just my opinion.

    Many blessings to all..
    yes Frank I agree.................it is best to be prepared

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    Quote Posted by Kulapops (here)
    I have a slightly different approach than survival:

    Figure out what is your uniqueness, your unique contribution to the world if you can - and make it.

    How do plants survive ? They blossom, they flower. Their seed is their contribution to the next generation. Having performed their purpose, they die, but their seed lives on.

    So might your unique contribution to the world and those around you live on after your death.

    Worse for me than the thought of not surviving is the thought of never realising what that contribution may be. To some it comes easily, for most of us it is much harder.

    So many distractions in life that we may end up spending little time with our true selves.

    How do you survive a car crash? How do you survive heart failure? How do you survive cancer? How do you survive old age? How do you survive retirement?

    For me, survival is the wrong tree to bark up, but I know that is truth for some. And if it is your truth, then you are right to live it. But it's not mine.

    I'm looking for my own truth, and Brown dwarf stars do not exist in my reality. Not today, anyway.

    Actually, neither does Bill Deagle (any more)

    K
    Sorry mate
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    I'm looking for my own truth, and Brown dwarf stars do not exist in my reality. Not today, anyway......................

    thats the trouble , people do not want to look at reality they want to go within

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    Quote Posted by Wood (here)
    I do not think we should survive at any cost. I won't kill anybody else, or steal the food they need or let people around me starve to death to survive myself. I guess I am not 'the fittest' to survive but I do not feel we have to live at any cost. Perhaps I'd change my mind if the time comes but I do not think so.
    I think the problem we have is that some people are confronting the reality, and otheres are going inwards.into themselves , which is not the reality

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    I see, a brown dwarf star outside Jupiter is reality is it ?

    I await the news crews coverage with anticipation.

    Go for broke, prepare all you want. You've asked me for my truth, I've given it. I can't help it if you don't like the answer.

    I'd prefer it if you wouldn't be so patronising with 'sorry mate'... but that's your truth to live, not mine.

    You can respect or disrespect me. Like me or dislike me. I have no control over that.

    Strange behaviour though for someone who sent me a friend request today.

    K

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    Default Re: no-one has the definitive truth..have you?

    there is much fiction out there

    fiction with a purpose

    to earn money

    to distort facts


    facts are


    TPTB want you to believe in ET

    TPTB want you to believe in Evolution


    TPTB want you to forget about God


    because of poor education

    lifelong conditioning

    and lack of virtues

    people are easily fooled


    besides TPTB need an enemy

    conflicts and chaos

    divide and conquer

    else the people pursue peace

    and TPTB loose the empire
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    Quote Posted by Kulapops (here)
    I see, a brown dwarf star outside Jupiter is reality is it ?

    I await the news crews coverage with anticipation.

    Go for broke, prepare all you want. You've asked me for my truth, I've given it. I can't help it if you don't like the answer.

    I'd prefer it if you wouldn't be so patronising with 'sorry mate'... but that's your truth to live, not mine.

    You can respect or disrespect me. Like me or dislike me. I have no control over that.

    Strange behaviour though for someone who sent me a friend request today.

    K
    Therefore you do not believe Dr DEAGLE and what he is saying RE: BROWN DWARF STAR......AND YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL BE A REALITY.......I on the other hand believe it will be a reality due to the amount of evidence...my eyes are not shut and i am not deaf

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    there is much fiction out there

    fiction with a purpose

    to earn money

    to distort facts


    facts are


    TPTB want you to believe in ET

    TPTB want you to believe in Evolution


    TPTB want you to forget about God


    because of poor education

    lifelong conditioning

    and lack of virtues

    people are easily fooled
    o.k who or what is god?

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    there is much fiction out there

    fiction with a purpose

    to earn money

    to distort facts


    facts are


    TPTB want you to believe in ET

    TPTB want you to believe in Evolution


    TPTB want you to forget about God


    because of poor education

    lifelong conditioning

    and lack of virtues

    people are easily fooled


    besides TPTB need an enemy

    conflicts and chaos

    divide and conquer

    else the people pursue peace

    and TPTB loose the empire
    lets start ..Who or what is God?

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    No, I am not saying it will not be a reality... I am saying you cannot know this.

    Planet X was one of the first items I looked at when I got into this current round of 'discovering truth' via the internet nearly two years ago.

    It intrigued me, because a friend lent me a video on it back in 1994. Yes, a proper documentary on the possibility of Nibiru existing, and making a pass.

    Having an interest in this, I wanted to find out more, so I read up Marshall Master's site.. and got on to looking into the south polar telescope stories too. There were even a couple of videos of 'sightings'.

    There will undoubtedly be more.

    I am not a fortune teller, there is no way I can tell anyone the 'truth' behind predictions because I don't know what will happen in the future. But you ask if anyone has any thoughts on truth, and this is mine:

    "Your real truth is who you are. Discover that first."

    And so it really is fairly pointless posting my truth for others, isn't it? Because after all, it's my truth, not yours.

    And if your truth deep down is really survival and waking up people about the need to survive, I suggest you go right ahead. I mean that sincerely.

    K
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    Quote Posted by blue777 (here)
    o.k who or what is god?
    do you not know

    it is not you


    it is the Almighty Spirit


    which animates you

    and when you're gone

    which animates your Soul


    He is the essence of you

    and when you fall away

    He is revealed


    He is Hidden


    for He is the treasure to be found

    by the earnest and the righteous
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    lets start ..Who or what is God?
    Sorry mate Since you beLIEve that the external world is REALITY, and you do not understand withinness, you can never understand "God" in that paradigm. The concept of God is most difficult to understand - you must go within (in spirit) to even get started on that quest. Understanding the Infinite Invisible with a finite mind is not possible. Ask - seek - knock - on the door of your of your consciousness within you, you might be surprised what you find!!!

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    Quote Posted by Kulapops (here)
    No, I am not saying it will not be a reality... I am saying you cannot know this.

    Planet X was one of the first items I looked at when I got into this current round of 'discovering truth' via the internet nearly two years ago.

    It intrigued me, because a friend lent me a video on it back in 1994. Yes, a proper documentary on the possibility of Nibiru existing, and making a pass.

    Having an interest in this, I wanted to find out more, so I read up Marshall Master's site.. and got on to looking into the south polar telescope stories too. There were even a couple of videos of 'sightings'.

    There will undoubtedly be more.

    I am not a fortune teller, there is no way I can tell anyone the 'truth' because I don't know what will happen in the future. But you ask if anyone has any thoughts on truth, and this is mine:

    "Your real truth is who you are. Discover that first."

    And so it really is fairly pointless posting my truth for others, isn't it? Because after all, it's my truth, not yours.

    And if your truth deep down is really survival and waking up people about the need to survive, I suggest you go right ahead. I mean that sincerely.

    K
    Hello,
    As I keep on saying is: some people can confront reality(fear) and others have gone inwards to get away from it.....therefore you do not believe dr deagle at all
    lol

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    Horrizon posted this elsewhere but its as good a definition of God as I have seen.

    "Consciousness! Source! The Infinite Invisible! Pure Perfect Energy! That which emanates all life! The All in all! Creator/Creation etc... That which we Truly are, yet know not :-)"
    Anyone who wishes to visit "The ego what is it? and how to transcend it" is welcome.
    If the ego is transcended war is history and peace will reign supreme.
    Enlightenment (freedom from ignorance) is an ego-less state.
    When all that is not Truth is removed enlightenment remains
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    Quote Posted by HORIZONS (here)
    Sorry mate Since you beLIEve that the external world is REALITY, and you do not understand withinness, you can never understand "God" in that paradigm. The concept of God is most difficult to understand - you must go within (in spirit) to even get started on that quest. Understanding the Infinite Invisible with a finite mind is not possible. Ask - seek - knock - on the door of your of your consciousness within you, you might be surprised what you find!!!

    ~Peace~
    knock on the door and all you will find is CONSCIOUSNESS therefore God is consciousness

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    I think the problem we have is that some people are confronting the reality, and otheres are going inwards.into themselves , which is not the reality
    I think I know what your reacting to, Blue. I'd also like to point out that a form of going within is by it's very nature confronting reality as we are the source of our own experience. Understanding the nature of reality through self inquiry is helpful for informing perception. It's like examining the hardware. Know thyself as it was famously written.

    The term going within seems to me to have been abused in a particularly insidious way as a means to justify ones own self involvement or inflexibility with opinion. Re: ego. Not the same as self and not the "within" that is referred to in the phrase I feel.

    It seems to me discounting the Dwarf Star or Deagle's entire discourse after listening is a curious reaction. The man obviously knows at least some of what he speaks. Must it be cast as true /untrue? I suspect this is a fear based reaction. Why not approach it as you would anything without all the information? As an agnostic..

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    Quote Posted by 3optic (here)
    I think I know what your reacting to, Blue. I'd also like to point out that a form of going within is by it's very nature confronting reality as we are the source of our own experience. Understanding the nature of reality through self inquiry is helpful for informing perception. It's like examining the hardware. Know thyself as it was famously written.

    The term going within seems to me to have been abused in a particularly insidious way as a means to justify ones own self involvement or inflexibility with opinion. Re: ego. Not the same as self and not the "within" that is referred to in the phrase I feel.

    It seems to me discounting the Dwarf Star or Deagle's entire discourse after listening is a curious reaction. The man obviously knows at least some of what he speaks. Must it be cast as true /untrue? I suspect this is a fear based reaction. Why not approach it as you would anything without all the information? As an agnostic..
    Thank you for your erudite reply , I think you are right on all counts
    lol

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    Hello,
    As I keep on saying is: some people can confront reality(fear) and others have gone inwards to get away from it.....therefore you do not believe dr deagle at all
    lol
    I do not go within to escape reality -- but to find it! I listen to what Deagle and many others have to say, but their external 3D reality is not necessarily the final authority on earthly or spiritual matters. If there is a major chaotic event in my future I will still go within and listen to the still small voice, and find the directions I need if I am to survive such a thing. Being at the right place and the right time would be of most import for such an event. I have followed that inner guidance my whole life, and It has saved me many times from dangerous situations, and when I did not listen I paid the price for that. I do not hide from reality, but welcome it. I will continue to trust It even to the end of the age. And if Deagle is right on it will be proven.
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    Quote Posted by HORIZONS (here)
    I do not go within to escape reality -- but to find it! I listen to what Deagle and many others have to say, but their external 3D reality is not necessarily the final authority on earthly or spiritual matters. If there is a major chaotic event in my future I will still go within and listen to the still small voice, and find the directions I need if I am to survive such a thing. Being at the right place and the right time would be of most import for such an event. I have followed that inner guidance my whole life, and It has saved me many times from dangerous situations, and when I did not listen I paid the price for that. I do not hide from reality, but welcome it. I will continue to trust It even to the end of the age. And if Deagle is right on it will be proven.
    That inner reality is your intuition, truth is within...reality is the opposite it is on the outside

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    Let's try to respond to this Q. in a "limited way"
    What we call God The Creator is basically "everything in all" (seen & unseen).
    Even in things that we call "bad or evil"

    God is outside its creation, and at the same time within it.
    Think of yourself as "God" in a finite way, holding on onion in your hand that represents this Universe (there are infinite others) with all its dimensions (layers). This "onion" is also an appendix of yourself with free will.

    God is experiencing itself in his creation. In other words when you see someone's face you actually see the "Face of God". Also his ultimate plan for all his creation is to become perfected, not by force, but by "Love and Free Will". So God is not just a "person", IS the "essence/conciseness", and we the creation are its fragments.

    Another way to put it is "God is an infinite ocean and we are drops from that ocean".
    Hope this helps a bit...

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