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[Fred259]

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If you really want a new investigation into 9/11, why not

EYO, it’s all very very impressive.

But,

“The revelation that almost every high ranking elected and non-elected appointed official in the US and global governing racket has had or does have some level of connection, direct complicity or entanglement in the very complicated and convoluted events that both preceded and followed the events of 9/11 indicate with much clarity that a new investigation is not going to be forthcoming, ever”. – Jeff Prager. Author.

Now think,

Why would any US government official want a “new investigation” that would see them in jail at best, or worse execution by lethal injection.


I agree ! We would all like a new investigation and see these criminals banged up, but it just isn’t going to happen.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)


You just need to read the report and form an opinion. The link was provided. You don’t need to go looking into Google and the holocaust, and what this guy said and that guy, just read the report, and it tells you who did it, why it was done, and who profited.

I am going to disagree.
Who wrote it is THE most important thing of ANY article.
Im a research librarian and its my bread and butter.
Its like if a product was endorsed by the person that made the product.
Its not a reliable endorsement is it?
Its second nature to me and should be for any researcher.
Like I said, I didnt look for the word holocaust with relation to his name - it just came up when I typed his name ONLY into google.
Its VITAL to know who wrote it. I am not making a judgemnt but it certainly warrents further questions about the author.
The 9/11 commission wrote the 9/11 commison report. Do you think they were impartial?
No of course not. There were many conflicts of interests. Those that controlled the report had much to gain after 9/11 so of course the report was never going to be an honest one. Its exactly the same principle here.
You DO need to know about who wrote it. Its VITAL in gageing the work and forming an honest opinon about it.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)





Now think,

Why would any US government official want a “new investigation” that would see them in jail at best, or worse execution by lethal injection.


I agree ! We would all like a new investigation and see these criminals banged up, but it just isn’t going to happen.

Not with that attitude. If you commit to fail before you try, whats the point in even trying? Very negative and defeatest attitude to have. You have just given in and THEY have beaten you. Cant you see that? From your P.O.V. the best we can do is post about it on forums then? Its almost as if the author does not WANT a new investigation. Why are you even doing this if that is what you believe? If you dont have hope, thats a real shame. We are so NOT on the same page.

[Fred259]

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Posted by Fred259 (here)
I am going to disagree.
Who wrote it is THE most important thing of ANY article.
Im a research librarian and its my bread and butter.
Its like if a product was endorsed by the person that made the product.
Its not a reliable endorsement is it?
Its second nature to me and should be for any researcher.
Like I said, I didnt look for the word holocaust with relation to his name - it just came up when I typed his name ONLY into google.
Its VITAL to know who wrote it. I am not making a judgemnt but it certainly warrents further questions about the author.
The 9/11 commission wrote the 9/11 commison report. Do you think they were impartial?
No of course not. There were many conflicts of interests. Those that controlled the report had much to gain after 9/11 so of course the report was never going to be an honest one. Its exactly the same principle here.
You DO need to know about who wrote it. Its VITAL in gageing the work and forming an honest opinon about it.

I understand EYO. I understand your point of view.

You say in your post that you are a professional research librarian, and I respect you and trust your judgment.

Given that you have these extra qualities and attention to detail perhaps the best way to resolve this issue is to determine once and for all if as you allege 19 Muslims with box cutters were flying these aircraft. We need a Yes or No answer.

Therefore given your professional qualifications as a research librarian would it be possible to contact the FAA in Washington and ask for the following documents:

Pilots Flying Licence & License Number.

Total number of flying hours.

Medical Certificate.

I do accept that the actual licence would have been destroyed in the aircraft and building fire however, be advised that the FAA in Washington will keep records of every pilot worldwide of any nationality that has been issued with an FAA licence anytime. The records will be in the file cabinet or on the hard drive.

Now as you can see I am not an American. I do feel that this analysis should be done by a US citizen. When you have this information please forward this to;

Captain Russ Wittenberg. He will be able within a very short moment to reach a professional decision on this matter. He also has an FAA licence so he will know what he is looking for. If he needs more time to carry out his investigation then we should allow him this extra time.

I don’t know Captain Wittenberg but I trust his final judgment. If for some reason you don’t like Russ then here is a list of another 300 suitably qualified professional pilots who could assist. Again I don’t personally know any of them but I agree to follow any decision that they make.

http://www.mo911truth.org/

Here is the Bio for Captain Russ Wittenberg. (Retired)

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).


Once we have established that the Muslims were operating these aircraft, then we can proceed with the investigation.

[Fred259]

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Posted by Fred259 (here)

Not with that attitude. If you commit to fail before you try, whats the point in even trying? Very negative and defeatest attitude to have. You have just given in and THEY have beaten you. Cant you see that? From your P.O.V. the best we can do is post about it on forums then? Its almost as if the author does not WANT a new investigation. Why are you even doing this if that is what you believe? If you dont have hope, thats a real shame. We are so NOT on the same page.

You say I have just given in and “they” have defeated me. Might I ask who “they” are?

In order that you reflect on the enormity of the challenge you face it’s worth remembering that “they” have still to bring a trial and gain a conviction against "those or the” individual (s) who assassinated a living President of the United States of America.

However I suppose “they” are still working on this 47 years later.

Could it be I wonder if “they” had involvement in this assassination or some other complication “they” have little to gain in establishing the truth?

Do you seriously think Turkey’s vote for Thanksgiving and Christmas ?

Perhaps you are right and I should try harder. If you look at post #324 I will agree to work with you once we have this first bit of evidence.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

I understand EYO. I understand your point of view.

You say in your post that you are a professional research librarian, and I respect you and trust your judgment.

Given that you have these extra qualities and attention to detail perhaps the best way to resolve this issue is to determine once and for all if as you allege 19 Muslims with box cutters were flying these aircraft.

I have not suggested that once in this thread.
Infact I have not belived that 19 Muslims flew those jets since about 2005! I think they were patsies with stolen I.Ds which is why some of them turned up alive.
I think you keep making assumptions about me just beacuse I dont agree that certain aspects of your theories are particularly strong. That does not mean I belive the offical story. It should be obvious I do not.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

You say I have just given in and “they” have defeated me. Might I ask who “they” are?

In order that you reflect on the enormity of the challenge you face it’s worth remembering that “they” have still to bring a trail and conviction against "those or the” individual (s) who assassinated a living President of the United States of America.

However I suppose “they” are still working on this 47 years later.

Could it be I wonder if “they” had involvement in this assassination or some other complication “they” have little to gain in establishing the truth?

Do you seriously think Turkey’s vote for Thanksgiving and Christmas ?

Perhaps you are right and I should try harder. If you look at post #324 I will agree to work with you once we have this first bit of evidence.

I just mean that accepting that there will never be an investigation is exactly what those that oppose 9/11 truth (they/tptb) want! The want us to feel apathy and despondency and to give up.

[Fred259]

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Posted by Fred259 (here)

I have not suggested that once in this thread.

Infact I have not belived that 19 Muslims flew those jets since about 2005! I think they were patsies with stolen I.Ds which is why some of them turned up alive.

I think you keep making assumptions about me just beacuse I dont agree that certain aspects of your theories are particularly strong. That does not mean I belive the offical story.

1. It should be obvious I do not

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EYO I apologise, it wasn’t obvious to me, no.


I was wrong and I'm sorry. However I'm glad that we are in agreement that you say these Muslims were in fact patsies.

I agree. This is good news.

We are now on the same page.

Chapter 1. Page 1.

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
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EYO I apologise, it wasn’t obvious to me, no.


I was wrong and I'm sorrry. However I'm glad that we are in agreement that you say these Muslims were in fact patsies.

I agree. This is good news.

We are now on the same page.

Chapter 1. Page 1.

I knew we could find common ground!

[Fred259]

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Posted by Fred259 (here)

I just mean that accepting that there will never be an investigation is exactly what those that oppose 9/11 truth (they/tptb) want! The want us to feel apathy and despondency and to give up.

No this is wrong. Factually wrong.

The FBI have completed an investigation and the matter is ready for court.!

You know this dont you?

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There is a MASSIVE amount of data that needs looking at that hardly anyone has looked at. The community worked hard to get this stuff (photos and vids that they witheld) from NIST.
Please download the torrent and do some armchair research...
http://911datasets.org/index.php/NIS...264_Compressed

Main page
http://911datasets.org/index.php/Main_Page

We need your help!

The torrent.
http://911datasets.org/images/Intern...tabase.torrent
1 of over 30 torrents! Over 1TB of data needss looking at.
Included in this are the videos from the NIST experiments and reconstructions. (NIST burn torrent)

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

No this is wrong. Factually wrong.

The FBI have completed an investigation and the matter is ready for court.!

You know this dont you?

Its not wrong. And yes, I do know this. If it is compromised, then its up to us to point that out! WE make the progress on this issue and we keep going until we win.

[Fred259]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
There is a MASSIVE amount of data that needs looking at that hardly anyone has looked at. The community worked hard to get this stuff (photos and vids that they witheld) from NIST.
Please download the torrent and do some armchair research...
http://911datasets.org/index.php/NIS...264_Compressed

Main page
http://911datasets.org/index.php/Main_Page

We need your help!

The torrent.
http://911datasets.org/images/Intern...tabase.torrent

1. 1 of over 30 torrents! Over 1TB of data needss looking at.

Included in this are the videos from the NIST experiments and reconstructions. (NIST burn torrent)

I see you have all the material, and perhaps we should look at that.

My point is this. The day in court in front of the judge was set 9 October 2001.

The FBI has most of the evidence to obtain a conviction. All the statements and documents are in place,,,,,,,,, but I agree we need to research the evidence and if we think it supports the case we can turn it over to the FBI.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
There is a MASSIVE amount of data that needs looking at that hardly anyone has looked at. The community worked hard to get this stuff (photos and vids that they witheld) from NIST.
Please download the torrent and do some armchair research...
http://911datasets.org/index.php/NIS...264_Compressed

Main page
http://911datasets.org/index.php/Main_Page

We need your help!

The torrent.
http://911datasets.org/images/Intern...tabase.torrent
1 of over 30 torrents! Over 1TB of data needss looking at.
Included in this are the videos from the NIST experiments and reconstructions. (NIST burn torrent)

Because of what has been seen in these NIST videos, we now have PROOF that NIST have lied. That is why these avenues are much better ones to go down than talking about hologrammes. There could be a court case against NIST because of these videos. This stuff came from their own archives so it would be almost impossible for them to win the case. We just gott a keep marching on and wearing them down. This is a long haul amigo!

[Fred259]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Because of what has been seen in these NIST videos, we now have PROOF that NIST have lied. That is why these avenues are much better ones to go down than talking about hologrammes. There could be a court case against NIST because of these videos. This stuff came from their own archives so it would be almost impossible for them to win the case. We just gott a keep marching on and wearing them down. This is a long haul amigo!

I agree NIST have lied and covered up.

Holograms, well I agree, I just suspected it could be a hologram. I know zero about holograms I’m kind of more screwdriver and oil-can myself, so no you need an IT guy if you want to talk holograms! Lol

Are you serious ?, you have 1TB of data, I take it that’s no typo.!

[Fred259]

Hang on EYO you are freaking me out, Who gave you 1 TB (terabyte) of Data, it needs to be good data well researched and structured.

You can’t hand over garbage to the FBI, they won’t take you seriously…

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Posted by Fred259 (here)
Are you serious ?, you have 1TB of data, I take it that’s no typo.!

If you click here: http://911datasets.org/index.php/Main_Page
You can see all the different torrents with their size displayed next to them. The biggest is about 428gb!

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Posted by Fred259 (here)
Hang on EYO you are freaking me out, Who gave you 1 TB (terabyte) of Data, it needs to be good data well researched and structured.

You can’t hand over garbage to the FBI, they won’t take you seriously…

Not given to me but I am helping to go through it all. NIST were forced to give it up after a Freedom of information request and threat of law suit against them if they refused.

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double it. 2,310,380,827,881 bytes (2,152 GB or 2.1tb) in 160,111 files !

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There is a thread about the NIST torrents already here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ore-on-the-way!
Please read it. Its not very long. It contains very intesting footage. at one point in the thread, Zook and I even agree on something!

[Fred259]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
If you click here: http://911datasets.org/index.php/Main_Page
You can see all the different torrents with their size displayed next to them. The biggest is about 428gb!

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Not given to me but I am helping to go through it all. NIST were forced to give it up after a Freedom of information request and threat of law suit against them if they refused.

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double it. 2,310,380,827,881 bytes (2,152 GB or 2.1tb) in 160,111 files !

Wow…. That’s a lot, I have a wife, so I mean I can do some of it but lets see…have you not got a girlfriend or someone than can help with the data? Women are better at these things EYO they can multitask, I remember we moved home and the wife was breastfeeding our daughter and standing at the back of the truck giving directions to the removal men which furniture went in what room, and it was raining !,.. .

Another thing, you say NIST gave up the datasets under threat of law suit, so was that a general action or were you taking NIST to court ?

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No, I didnt file it. But NIST were ordered to release it. If they waited any longer, then they could have had a law suit coming their way. I am just involved in sharing the torrent and seeding it and examining the videos and data. Many like me are also doing the same but not enough seeds or people are examining the data. There could be something really amazing hidden within all the videos and tests and photos...