The Avalon forum, wild stories, debunkers, courtesy, and open-mindedness

[Ewan]

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)

Posted by cccme (here)
Well you know the internet in general has gotten very snarky and mean and I blame it mostly on the bots acting as human (our worst traits) who knows who is real and who is a bot (I don't).
To attempt to keep this place that has smart and thoughtful threads while at the same time keeping things civil is at this point a herculean task.
I think a lot of these weirder posts are because people
are bored
their cell phones aren't working
want to stir things up
what things to keep going
have a agenda, now days it gets outed pretty quickly around here
But this is the state of the internet nowdays, a lot of distraction, the flat earth cia psy-ops, CNN outright lies, polarizing, watching the next accident or suicide or murder, live of course, on the facebook
(with blood and a lot of screaming)
But
either you say, these are the guidelines or chaos, bloodletting and a lot of yelling.

Oh boy, how right you are in many areas here. It is absolutely very noisy out there isn't it? And I am always gobsmacked at the enormous vitriol that always follows in comments areas below videos on youtube. Sometimes I might read threads for some sado-amusement - and no, it isn't actually funny but frighteningly incredible: I can be genuinely awestruck at the awfulness of some of that.

With the very odd exception of course, thankfully Avalon generally never descends to that level. One of many reasons I wanted to be involved here.

I sincerely hope I am not veering off topic here.

Text, as we all know, is bereft of all the normal signals humans rely on to help them understand communication. Nuance of speech, subtle facial clues etc.

I can be 'triggered' sometimes just by what I read. Sometimes I even catch myself begining to reply in strident fashion; but, there is something wrong, I literally feel uncomfortable whilst I am typing, to the point that if I try to continue I feel worse and worse, literally feeling bad. So of course I stop, I erase what I have written or refresh the page and sit quietly. Sometimes it can still irritate for even a day or two, I wanted to say something back!

That's habit there, habit from a time when I was still asleep. When ego needed to fight or defend 'itself'.

I periodically browse 8chan politics threads, often I will see news items there that otherwise I would never have seen. Some replies, often, as you point out TQ, are nothing short of amazing. But push comes to shove these same people, if challanged to back up there point, will suddenly produce links that verifies what they are saying. So whilst their previous six posts insulted everyones mother and defamed the worlds jews or people of ethnic stripe there was still a cogent person behind that persona.

The only difference I can see between what they write, and how I feel on the odd occasion I am triggered, apart from sheer crudeness, is that they are simply not awake. They have not yet developed or opened the connection that allows them to self-monitor their own behaviour.

Maybe?

[Foxie Loxie]

Nothing wrong with being polite to each other, is there, Ewan?

[Tintin]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Tintin Quarantino (here)

Posted by cccme (here)
Well you know the internet in general has gotten very snarky and mean and I blame it mostly on the bots acting as human (our worst traits) who knows who is real and who is a bot (I don't).
To attempt to keep this place that has smart and thoughtful threads while at the same time keeping things civil is at this point a herculean task.
I think a lot of these weirder posts are because people
are bored
their cell phones aren't working
want to stir things up
what things to keep going
have a agenda, now days it gets outed pretty quickly around here
But this is the state of the internet nowdays, a lot of distraction, the flat earth cia psy-ops, CNN outright lies, polarizing, watching the next accident or suicide or murder, live of course, on the facebook
(with blood and a lot of screaming)
But
either you say, these are the guidelines or chaos, bloodletting and a lot of yelling.

Oh boy, how right you are in many areas here. It is absolutely very noisy out there isn't it? And I am always gobsmacked at the enormous vitriol that always follows in comments areas below videos on youtube. Sometimes I might read threads for some sado-amusement - and no, it isn't actually funny but frighteningly incredible: I can be genuinely awestruck at the awfulness of some of that.

With the very odd exception of course, thankfully Avalon generally never descends to that level. One of many reasons I wanted to be involved here.

I sincerely hope I am not veering off topic here.

Text, as we all know, is bereft of all the normal signals humans rely on to help them understand communication. Nuance of speech, subtle facial clues etc.

I can be 'triggered' sometimes just by what I read. Sometimes I even catch myself begining to reply in strident fashion; but, there is something wrong, I literally feel uncomfortable whilst I am typing, to the point that if I try to continue I feel worse and worse, literally feeling bad. So of course I stop, I erase what I have written or refresh the page and sit quietly. Sometimes it can still irritate for even a day or two, I wanted to say something back!

That's habit there, habit from a time when I was still asleep. When ego needed to fight or defend 'itself'.

I periodically browse 8chan politics threads, often I will see news items there that otherwise I would never have seen. Some replies, often, as you point out TQ, are nothing short of amazing. But push comes to shove these same people, if challanged to back up there point, will suddenly produce links that verifies what they are saying. So whilst their previous six posts insulted everyones mother and defamed the worlds jews or people of ethnic stripe there was still a cogent person behind that persona.

The only difference I can see between what they write, and how I feel on the odd occasion I am triggered, apart from sheer crudeness, is that they are simply not awake. They have not yet developed or opened the connection that allows them to self-monitor their own behaviour.

Maybe?

Communication in text form does have its limitations but of course how a lover may have communicated with another, in older times, by letter: it still has merit and resonates. Now, it travels more instantly. I would nicely challenge anyone who could only write anything by hand to witness its patience; the expression of feeling and time taken to share feeling and thought therein. May be we could all take time to write something in handwritten form to someone we love, and experience its patience, and how well it may be received. And apply that same attitude to how we may express ourselves with these means, may result in a kinder and more thoughtful message, and reception.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The way I look at it is a bit different. I disagree that we are in a position to determine what is real and what isn't, or even what most likely is not real, except from our collective understanding of reality, which we know is compromised and biased.

What I do hear is an alert by the founder of the forum, one of a few others, warning of a growing trend of deceit in the alternative community.

I agree with that notion. I would emphasize that we keep our eyes on the ball - the organized sophisticated psi-ops in virtually all areas of knowledge and the over-arching direction that gambit is heading toward.

The truth of this reality is well beyond even the most astute and dedicated seekers. The best we can do is become aware of the deceit and protect our minds from further attempts to inculcate us with an agenda and ideology counter to our best interests. The methods employed are slick, insidious and often subliminal. Remaining aware in the midst of the constant bombardment of entrainment from multiple sources is heroic enough.

All we can say is that we are living in a lie. But the lie itself is still shrouded in mist and through that mist we wander with only a random clue and a vague hope. Our best defense is to remember: that if there is a lie there is also a truth already born.

[Chester]

Hi Ernie, I was unable to find where it was implied that "we are in a position to determine what is real and what isn't."

What I thought had been featured was the idea that when material that cannot be determined as "real" is being presented in threads and/or posts as real (with implications the reader should "buy the information as true), that perhaps Avalon is not the best place for those types of threads to develop or posts to be made.

[neutronstar]

Posted by Ewan (here)

The only difference I can see between what they write, and how I feel on the odd occasion I am triggered, apart from sheer crudeness, is that they are simply not awake. They have not yet developed or opened the connection that allows them to self-monitor their own behaviour.

Maybe?

What you are describing is what Eckhart Tolle talks about in the "Power of Now". You seem to be making choices from your higher self rather than your ego.

Most people have no idea what that means and they live entirely through their ego. Once I got into Echart's teachings I can see the ego at times and stop identifying with it for a short time. The Ego is cunning though and just like he says, once you identify it, it will slip right in the back door and I will start identifying with it again. lol

[jake gittes]

I was a teenage werewolf.

Any questions?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sammy, if we are here to vet every story and claim, AND only allow those threads that are 'real' to develop, then half of the topics in this forum would have to be removed.

There are many claims being made but not any have been proved beyond a doubt. Even our own science would have to be thrown out since it is false to an extensive degree. I understand the idea being propounded and I agree, but with this caveat: nothing in our reality can be proven to be true 100% of the time.

We live in a consensus reality. We decide what reality is for us. There are those things that we take for granted to be inescapable fundamentals of reality like gravity, hunger, air, but other than that everything is up for interpretation. We decide then we tell our kids how it is. Our kids take the ball and run with it. They kick the can of our consensus reality down the road of time and make further interpretations, which they then teach their kids, and so on. Many times there are parts of reality that have never been checked for veracity but still accepted as 'real', like religion for instance, or the model of how the sun works. Sometimes the reason something is accepted as 'real' has to do with being unable to come up with a better picture or explanation and sometimes it has to do with 'vested interests' and sometimes because the resources to verify a fact do not exist.

With all that in mind, all we are really doing is a 'best guess' sort of retreating action - loosing ground to the official and sanctioned story because there is no way to prove them hands-down wrong.

Also, Sam, as you are aware, we have all grown here in this forum, and most of our views are no longer the same as when we first arrived here. We are way ahead of the curve. The populace is not with us. They know something is wrong but they do not know exactly what so they hang their hat on one then the other scape goat until all the usual excuses and suspects fall away. Then they are left where most of us were before we got here.

I'm on board but I will always cheer the underdog and hold up the loosing side in an argument. It is my purpose. When people get too complacent and begin to think they know how things 'really' are I will be there to tell them they are wrong to think they know it all.


Jake, that is exactly what I wanted to post on another thread but failed to think of it. I erased my post because it missed the mark. You hit it right on the head.

[Spiral]

Posted by jake gittes (here)
I was a teenage werewolf.

Any questions?

So was I, but I'm alright noooooooooowwwwWWWWWWW









Back to topic, that's quality moderating, it really is !

It's always the nutters & the snarks that are the hardest to deal with, esp when the subject matter of the forum is what it is, it's a very hard course to steer at times !

[Chester]

Hi Ernie - Thanks for the reply. Your post was filled with many points and I can understand and agree with many of these. I wish to respond to the first, specifically.

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Sammy, if we are here to vet every story and claim, AND only allow those threads that are 'real' to develop, then half of the topics in this forum would have to be removed.

I still have never read anything in the OP, from my own posts or from the posts of others in this thread where there was any sort of implication of imposition by Bill, PA, myself or another poster in this thread as to what someone else should decide is "real" or not for themselves when it comes to unprovable, other worldly experiences. I see nothing but encouragement that folks have a place to share those types of experiences.

When it comes to anything whereby data can be used to support or cast doubt on extraordinary claims stated all too often as fact, surely there should be no problem folks share their data/counter-data and thus share their opinions as to the likelihood (or not) that some of these claims may be true or not. Bill gives two great examples of this - the Nazca Mummies and the 24,000 year old (possible) Romanian pyramid. He sets odds the mummies are human (98%) and he seeks the advice of a geologist who he respects for an opinion on the pyramid. Rational, grounded... done courteously where he rates how open his mind is with the mummy claim (that they are non-human) where there's still that all important 2%.

But all the above is secondary to Bill's actual point and (IMO) the key line in the entire post.

It's all about what people are urging others to believe, or even 'follow'. Or not. That's the critical factor.



He then shares suggestions as to how we do this - we strive to be

courteous
open-minded
rational
grounded.

...and I doubt anyone does this perfectly. I know I don't.

I took his message to be addressed to us all, the staff and perhaps a self reminder as well.

At the same time, I understand the tremendous job the staff has to do (all volunteer by the way) and I understand that no two members and/or readers will ever always agree on how matters are or should be handled.

I have seen far too many members get twisted up about one of these matters and then fall on their own sword.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Your points, Sam, are exactly why I am glad it is not me making those decisions for this forum. It is a difficult and potentially divisive job, and one that makes this forum what it is. Like I said, I know decisions have to be made. Sometimes action has to be taken. I am not in a position to know all the details in any particular instance and so, whether I like it or not, I must either accept the decisions...or not. But so far the level-headedness of the mod team and Bill leaves me confident this is a place of import and I feel honored to serve a small part in its intended function.

[Joe Akulis]

I think it's happened to most of us at least once, the longer you're a member and the more threads you get involved in. Someone's response to something you wrote just comes across as too much of a challenge to leave alone and then over the course of the next 24 hours, a thread goes down the tubes with the back and forth trading of shots between the two parties.

We should make a "Coach" button there next to the Thanks button. Something we can click to say, "Okay, 20 people think you may want to avoid posting on this thread again for a minimum of 2 days." Heh heh.

I'm the kind of guy who likes to believe first, then abandon later if it's not working. Which can cause you to waste time with things that you didn't need to. I love it when Bill or the mods hop in early and call something out right away. People I can trust have just helped steer me in a better direction.

Like with Global Warming...

JUST KIDDING! Don't reply to that!!! :-)

Much love to all on this thread,
Joe

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)
We should make a "Coach" button there next to the Thanks button. Something we can click to say, "Okay, 20 people think you may want to avoid posting on this thread again for a minimum of 2 days."

That's a really good idea.

Sadly, our options to modify any part of the forum structure to that extent are very limited, even with Ilie Pandia's expertise. (And he really is a world-class vBulletin expert.) We can tweak some small things, and have done, but adding another kind of 'Thanks' button would almost certainly be a miracle too far. It's a shame!

[3(C)+me]

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)
I think it's happened to most of us at least once, the longer you're a member and the more threads you get involved in. Someone's response to something you wrote just comes across as too much of a challenge to leave alone and then over the course of the next 24 hours, a thread goes down the tubes with the back and forth trading of shots between the two parties.

Posted by Joe Akulis (here)
We should make a "Coach" button there next to the Thanks button. Something we can click to say, "Okay, 20 people think you may want to avoid posting on this thread again for a minimum of 2 days." Heh heh.

I'm the kind of guy who likes to believe first, then abandon later if it's not working. Which can cause you to waste time with things that you didn't need to. I love it when Bill or the mods hop in early and call something out right away. People I can trust have just helped steer me in a better direction.

Like with Global Warming...

JUST KIDDING! Don't reply to that!!! :-)

Much love to all on this thread,
Joe

Boy, I think we have all been there, especially in the early days but at some point it wears you out and wanting to be right. The ego, I know when my ego is going "move over, I got to give this assh*le a lesson, he is nuts" but now I just resist it because it's just going to make things worse. It wears you out.
What happened to civility in this world?
definition: a civil or polite act.
I still write letters to a few friends (remember pen pals) via the mail, yes, folks, I do and civility naturally comes forward. It does change the way I express.
I am drawn to reading fiction produced before 1960 (no cell phones).
I am currently in Dostoyevsky's St. Petersburg Russia, cold but no cell phones.
I miss the old days when people were not walking around like zombies staring at a small screen and being completely oblivious the their surrounding
civility is replaced by I do not acknowlege your presence.
But
We all know when a thread is presented in a smart thoughtful way and when it is not but I could not for the life of me have to wade through all those threads without wanting to scream,
I am the wife of a teenage vampire
any questions
really.

Good Luck Bill and mod's

[Vangelo]

I enjoy watching parents in a queue/check-out line with an infant interacting with their child. Clearly loving and caring for that baby. That picture popped into my head after reading this thread.

[Callista]

[gini]

Hi folks,my first post after years of enjoying this godgiven forum,my lord how much do i learn here !!tanx all for your generous efforts ,u truth loving peeps!I hope someday i can do something back for this forum...so i see this growing discussion about the dangers of all the distractive fake news ,hoaxers and psy ops and that is of course of the highest importance.Me myself i came to this forum cause i had this strange nibiru dream and then start to read all this stuff on internet and start to get pretty scared about all these predictions and eventual consequences .I was slowly getting kind of obsessed by the horrible idea,and searched for internet info to debunk it,but couldn't find good arguments.I talked with many people and begged for good contra arguments ,bot wt without luck.Till i remembeder Bill Ryan from the famous amelotstuff and checked his opinions ,wich brought me here to Avalon,and yes,bill debunked it convincingly ,aah what a relief!!Tanx mr Bill Ryan!Since then with almost any issue i check Avalon,and see quickly if something or someone is to be taken seriously.So ,all I'm saying is that i think Avalon is doing that job excellent,so please let as well the BS pass by ,so that its quickly exposed!!

[Foxie Loxie]

Nice post, gini! So many of us owe SO MUCH to Bill & the Forum for broadening our outlook on the True Reality of things. That is one reason why each of us should donate what we can, when we can, even if it is only a little bit!

Got to keep this ball rolling!

[Clear Light]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
Nice post, gini! So many of us owe SO MUCH to Bill & the Forum for broadening our outlook on the True Reality of things. That is one reason why each of us should donate what we can, when we can, even if it is only a little bit!

Got to keep this ball rolling!

Ah, yeah, I whole-heartedly agree which is why I do make "modest" donations every now and then

If only because, not the least of it, is that the contents of these Forums are an amazing resource with a wealth of Information therein !!!