German Election 2017 a Brexit 2.0 Situation?

[justalight]

I would like to open a discussion on the German election on september 24th 2017. Why? When observing the mainstream media campaigns during the last 4 weeks, it is obvious that they try very hard to do everything to brainwash the people in Germany, telling them Merkel is again the solution for every problem. Brainwashing gets more extrem from day to day.

Some points to think about:
- brainwashing by Bertelsmann connected media compnies pushing Merkel in a way that many Germans consider a funny fairy tale.
- AFD (nationalist party) poll predictions quotes seem to stay at only 8-10% (depending on research institute) with out a change - although when considering social media, more and more Germans put our their opinion against Merkel from day to day
- A german specialty: due to the public pressure against free opinion against Merkel the Germans tend to not speak free concerning their opinion. They usually hide their true, surpressed opinion (against Merkel) and will for sure vote against her
I want to express that Germans are special when it comes to stand for a political position in public that is not wanted by the media. They more emigrate into themselves and stay quiet and private. (typical meme in Germany: "What will my neighbours think?"- thinking)

I did observe the AFD party´s campaing very closely within the last years, months and weeks. There was a major change within the last 4 weeks. Much more social media campains that got more professional from day to day. Since 10 days it reminds me of the Trump Campain (concerning strategy)

As far as I know Trump did hire facebook, google and youtube experts paying around 89 Mil. $ to tailor a campain, targetting a special audience with a special wording. This is what I see now with the AFD getting very very professional within the last 10 days.

Elites here ARE in panic. They really are! I am very close connected to some persons in Berlin who work in the government.

My prediction, my gut feeling: As poll predictions are for sure not correct (all institutes producing them are connected to the elite parties or elite media companies) the election result will shock Europe and can lead to a effect on Austria. The EU will have a major problem with the selection result, if not break into parts after september 24th. It is possible that the AFD will have a result above 20% which could lead into a dropping Euro after september 24th. The atmosphere in Germany will change and more and more people will fight to send Merkel out of the country.

The result of the election will be one that no media would have put out right now. The end of the era Merkel!!!

[Words of Joy]

I know in the Netherlands there were expectations that the party of the then Prime Minister would lose. Though then Erdogan happened.
The French had expected Le Pen to Win, but then a gunman in Paris and Macron happened.

I wonder what will happen in Germany. Will it be an event? Will it be a person? Will it be a voting scheme? I don't have the answers, but my bet is, something will happen.

[Cidersomerset]

I did observe the AFD party´s campaing very closely within the last years,
months and weeks. There was a major change within the last 4 weeks. Much more
social media campaigns that got more professional from day to day. Since 10 days
it reminds me of the Trump Campaign (concerning strategy)

Its a good job Nigel is not Russian......He has spoke during the US , French
and German election run ups but as he says he is not telling the Germans
how to vote just speaking at an event for a friend Beatrix , who has been
taking his advice it seems.




Nigel Farage Full Speech in Berlin Germany

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iFOBH1F2pz4

Published on 8 Sep 2017

Nigel Farage Q and A in Germany Brexit and German Election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RSeEp7gcRQ
Published on 8 Sep 2017

[justalight]

There are some factors in my opinion that might show a different situation. The AFD was underestimated the last four years. Poll predictions were completely wrong concerning the local elections the past months. The AFD got up to 24 percent in some region.
A lot of people here believe strongly:
- Merkel will kill the car industry in Germany
- Merkel will not stop migrants coming to our country

I am jewish myself and I know from my own experiences that agression against us by islamists in Germany raised to a point that most of my jewish friends leave the country.
- Merkel is radical left, moved the CDU party to the far left. All mayor parties in Germany promote far left thoughts when you look closer.
- There are hundreds !!! treason charges against Merkel - some really profound. It is not easy here to put a valid treason charge out. It costs money and a very good argumentation is necessary.

Beside: One more interesting thing about Merkel that is worth a note: She was given the COUDENHOVEN-KALERGI Price!
This is worth a deeper research. https://youtu.be/hw5u883ypg4
So if his plan is part of a future european NWO, why would Merkel do anything against the migrant crisis at all?

[justalight]

@Cidersomerset - I thought not of Trump / Russian media published strategy. I meant the social media publishing strategy, as Trump did hire facebook, twitter and youtube experts to put out special designed social media content tailored to detail for a specific clientele.

Hard to explain in english.

Of course I know that Nigel is not russian. :-) I was talking about the social media posts.

1. use of collected data from facebook etc to identify potential Trump voters
2. design of specific social media posts tailored to that data
3. Thus concentration on a specific social media audience that is more likely to vote for him instead of wasting energy for non targeted campains

[Jayke]

I actually made a hefty profit betting on the Trump election, that's my only ever stint at gambling and it feels good to walk away a winner. It was easy to vote against mainstream consensus on that one though since you could visibly see at turnout support in trumps rallies prior to the election; Trump was filling football stadiums, Hillary had to use camera tricks and camera angles to create the illusion she was filling a small school gym. Despite all the voting shenanigans they tried to twist in her favour, there was no way they could pull it off and make it look legit without causing riots.

I didn't bet on the Dutch or French elections because those were too easy for the elites to steal. Likewise with the German election, I've barely heard a peep in the UK about it (didn't even realise it was so soon), any articles I have seen just downplay it and make it sound like a done deal for Merkel already, a complete non-event. More importantly I haven't heard enough ripples from the German populace themselves. I would love to see Merkel ousted but I feel the German attitude of keeping their cards to their chest till voting day might be a losing strategy.

The UK has always been at the edge of the EU, keeping its own currency and all, making it easier to breakaway. Germany basically is the EU, the heart of the beast...if they didn't let France and the Netherlands escape, it seems unlikely they'd give up their heart anytime soon.

I would love to see Merkel thrown in jail for treason, the look on her face would be priceless, but if I had to put money on it...the sensible bet would be that the elites steal another election and she stays. It's always good to be proven wrong though so I'll be keeping my eyes open to see how it all unfolds.

[Cidersomerset]

Of course I know that Nigel is not russian. :-)
I was talking about the social media posts.

I know my point is that Russia is being blamed for everything and accused of
meddling with the German elections. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy that
Nigel and others can speak but not Russians it seems.

Trumps strategy was focused and is why he spent far less $'s than Hillary. But he
also travelled to more rallies speaking to larger crowds which the US media tried to
hide. Trumps victory was a culmination of many factors from anti establishment ,
protest and forgotten sections of the US electorate. He is now stuck in the same
swamp he promised to drain and will unlikely to be able to keep many of his
promises and like others before him will be drawn into events beyond his control
that will enable the deep state to bring him under their influence.....

Hacking Fears: Germany suspects Russia of meddling in upcoming election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkfnygV9KNI
Published on 3 Sep 2017
With just three weeks to go before Germans head to the polls, the authorities are
looking at potential threats to the democratic process – and it’s little surprise that
Russia once again finds itself in the spotlight.
Peter Oliver has more.RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Cidersomerset]

I actually made a hefty profit betting on the Trump election,

Good one Jayke , I'm not a gambling man either though I did think about it....

Likewise with the German election, I've barely heard a peep in the UK

I have not heard much about the German election either and it was
only the fact I was looking at some Nigel Farage interviews for fun
that I noticed his trip to Berlin.

[Spiral]

How surprising would it be for the press to say Merkel is gaining in popularity & then she gets just enough "votes" at the election, & people buy it because they were told it would happen ?

The really big question is WHY did she invite all those millions of muslims in ( and into the rest of the EU), I think there could be a truly horrific conspiracy behind it based on the dark occult forces that underpinned the nazis, something that wants to be reborn (which they were very much into) using a massive blood sacrifice ?

That might not make much sense without a good grasp of the true occult nature of the real nazis & the beliefs they were steeped in though....

This did appear on youtube a while back, something is brewing, you can feel it, the law of the pendulum is being used by those who work by dark arts, make no mistake of that !

Posting as a link, youtube has a consent button to watch it, posted for information purposes only, may be disturbing to some people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixHL...ctr=1505049425

[Cidersomerset]

I meant the social media publishing strategy, as Trump did hire facebook,
twitter and youtube experts to put out special designed social media content
tailored to detail for a specific clientele.

They touch on this in this article suggesting the AFD is taking a page from Trumps
campaign....


‘Undecided’: Clash of third parties peaks interest to German elections

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UYGQgwLJvTA

Published on 10 Sep 2017
With just two weeks before the country goes to the polls to elect the country's
Parliament, voting intentions show Merkel's ruling Christian Democrats way
ahead of her Social Democrat rivals. RT's Peter Oliver takes a closer look at
who will be the real contenders in this election.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[Jayke]

Posted by Spiral (here)
The really big question is WHY did she invite all those millions of muslims in ( and into the rest of the EU), I think there could be a truly horrific conspiracy behind it based on the dark occult forces that underpinned the nazis, something that wants to be reborn (which they were very much into) using a massive blood sacrifice ?

That might not make much sense without a good grasp of the true occult nature of the real nazis & the beliefs they were steeped in though....

This did appear on youtube a while back, something is brewing, you can feel it, the law of the pendulum is being used by those who work by dark arts, make no mistake of that !

Posting as a link, youtube has a consent button to watch it, posted for information purposes only, may be disturbing to some people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixHL...ctr=1505049425

Joseph Farrell would be the man to ask on that...it used to get brought up often in his bi-weekly members vidchats. His analysis suggests it was done because the EU as an entity lacks the loyalty of patriotism that the various countries of its member states possess. By allowing the migrants in, it was hoped by the elites they could create a backlash among all EU citizens and get them fighting together (similar to the idea of using aliens from outer space to get the world to band together under a one world government to fight those aliens off).

An interesting idea because on the last series of tv show Gotham, the antagonists--'the court of owls'--were planning on releasing a virus into Gotham city, a virus that turns people into rabid monsters. The logic behind it, according to the court, was that Gotham was sick and it needed a vaccine, an infusion of foreign monsters, invaders for the populace to rally against, effectively activating the white blood cells to purge the intruders and restore balance and order to the city. That's the twisted logic of the elites for you...reactive pharmaceutical medicine before proactive holistic lifestyle medicine...or social hygiene as I call it.

Either way, I think the elites underestimated the degree of the backlash that has been directed at them rather than the migrants...and now their manoeuvres are becoming more and more exposed as they run defence to try and contain it.

[Michi]

According to a recent article at netzpolitik.org the voting system is put in question.
(But it could also be a click-bait.)
Here is a part of the article:

Electoral manipulation for beginners: Evaluation software has security problems

The choice in Germany is quite analogous to notes and pencils, but the technology comes into play for evaluation and transmission. But with a popular software, many things go wrong: Thanks to missing encryption and lack of checking, hackers could manipulate the results easily.

Whoever makes his cross on September 24th, wants it to be right.
At the end of July, hackers cracked thirty election computers at the DefCon conference within a very short time. This is a disturbing result, but electoral computers can not be used in Germany. Do not we have to worry about the Bundestag elections at the end of September? Is the Bundestag election safe? Not at all. A research carried out by ZEIT Online shows serious IT security problems in elections - even if the voting is done with paper and pen.

The article then goes at length into various security aspects of the final voting calculations.
But - of course - how do you really uncover, whats really going on?

Michael

[uzn]

Thing is, that as an opponent to Merkel (Ferkel) they put up this Decoy:

Martin Schulz (SPD). It´s laughable, he´s a full time alcoholic, and has not been seen in Germany for 10-15 years. He was parked in the EU Parlament and was enjoying a lot of money and not much to do. That´s really no choise.

Anyway, as a voting Software they are gonna use "PC Wahl".
Link:
https://www.wahlinfo.de/pcwahl/

Professionals from the CCC have looked at it and it´s hackable and yeah, read for yourself.
That´s the final Anaysis of the used Software:

https://ccc.de/system/uploads/230/or...ericht_CCC.pdf

Here is also a good Article in the german Newspaper "Die Zeit" that was done in cooperation with the CCC (Chaos Computer Club). It´s in german.

Die Bundestagswahl kann manipuliert werden (The german voting can be manipulated)

Die Software der Bundestagwahl ist unsicher, Ergebnisse können gefälscht werden. Das haben Fachleute ZEIT ONLINE demonstriert. Bundeswahlleiter und BSI sind alarmiert.
Von Kai Biermann und Holger Stark

An einem schwülwarmen Donnerstagabend im Juli stellt sich Martin Tschirsich eine Frage, die für die Zukunft Deutschlands entscheidend ist: Kann die Bundestagswahl manipuliert werden? Die Wahlen sind sicher, heißt es, weil die Bürger ihr Kreuz auf einem Zettel machen. Aber den 29-jährigen Informatiker, der gerade seinen Master an der Uni Darmstadt macht, überzeugt das nicht. Tschirsich ist ein leiser Mensch, der schnell denkt und spricht. Abends sitzt er gern an dem Computer in seiner Dachgeschosswohnung und knobelt an Problemen herum.

Tschirsich googelt. So erfährt er, dass aus den Kreuzen auf den Stimmzetteln aus Papier im nächsten Schritt digitale Daten werden. Zwar sind Computer, bei denen das Kreuz an einem Bildschirm eingegeben wird, in Deutschland verboten. Aber das heißt nicht, dass Rechner bei Wahlen keine Rolle spielen. In den rund 70.000 Wahllokalen des Landes werden Wahlhelfer am Abend des 24. September von Hand die Stimmen auszählen und ihre Ergebnisse auf Zettel schreiben. Alles weitere jedoch läuft über Computer.
Tschirsich stößt bei seiner Suche im Internet schnell auf die Software, mit der die Wahldaten gesammelt und weitergeleitet werden. Es handelt sich um ein Programm namens PC-Wahl, nach Angaben des Herstellers "das meistgenutzte Wahlorganisationssystem in deutschen Verwaltungen". Tschirsich zerlegt es, testet die Abläufe – und er erkennt, dass er sie manipulieren kann. Er ist überzeugt: "Die Wahl ist nicht sicher. Sie kann gehackt werden."
................

Full article:
http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschu...ndeswahlleiter

[Words of Joy]

Guess who gets an opportunity to shine: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...KCN1BM1AH?il=0

Turkey yet again.

I can see the German headlines of super woman Merkel already

[justalight]

I want to repeat the question by SPIRAL. WHY did she / Merkel did invite these migrants? As we know now, the german parliament was not asked and there seems to be no legal foundation for this action when I refer to Udo Di Fabio judge at the federal constitutional court.

So WHY did she took this risk and what might be the plan, or is there a plan?

Merkel did recieve the Coudenhoven Kalergi Price and was happy about that. So why was she happy about that? And who is Coudenhoven Kalergi?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ru19IA8ArEg

The "PAN-EUROPÄISCHE MANIFEST" was written by him and it today feels and reads like a blueprint what happens right now and might explain why Merkel is acting against the will of the majority of the Germans and against the majority of the Europeans.

[justalight]

Another VERY important question: How will Europe react if the nationalist party AFD will get more than 30% of the votes at the federal election? I cannot give any prove for this idea, but it might be interesting what will happen if. Will the Euro drop dramatically? Will the result at the shortly following austrian election gain profit of such a result? Will Merkel then have a chance to stay?????

[Words of Joy]

Just for the record: https://www.rt.com/news/404354-germa...-2017-updates/

33% of the votes... hmmm.. The Party of the Dutch Prime minister had 33 seats after election.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the Coudenhove video, no questions, MOST interesting!

[happyuk]

The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (Bundesamt fuer Migration und Fluechtlinge (BAMF)) say this:

"Bei einer Einreise über einen sicheren Drittstaat ist eine Anerkennung der Asylberechtigung ausgeschlossen. Dies gilt auch, wenn eine Rückführung in diesen Drittstaat nicht möglich ist, etwa weil dieser mangels entsprechender Angaben der Asylantragstellenden nicht konkret bekannt ist. Als sichere Drittstaaten bestimmt das Asylgesetz die Mitgliedsstaaten der Europäischen Union sowie Norwegen und die Schweiz."

In essence:

If you enter Germany from, or travel through, a safe third state then recognition of a request for asylum is excluded.

This is the law as enshrined in the Grundgesetz (National law) Article 16a, which was used to incorporate the Dublin agreement as part of the German law. So, although there is no limit allowed on genuine asylum seekers, this would seem to exclude almost all of those currently seeking asylum in Germany unless they paddled all the way from Syria to Hamburg, Kiel or anywhere else on the North coast in their little boats.

They are neither valid asylum seekers or refugees and there is therefore no ordinance that prevents their numbers being limited.

[Baby Steps]

Posted by no questions (here)
I want to repeat the question by SPIRAL. WHY did she / Merkel did invite these migrants? As we know now, the german parliament was not asked and there seems to be no legal foundation for this action when I refer to Udo Di Fabio judge at the federal constitutional court.

So WHY did she took this risk and what might be the plan, or is there a plan?

Merkel did recieve the Coudenhoven Kalergi Price and was happy about that. So why was she happy about that? And who is Coudenhoven Kalergi?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ru19IA8ArEg

The "PAN-EUROPÄISCHE MANIFEST" was written by him and it today feels and reads like a blueprint what happens right now and might explain why Merkel is acting against the will of the majority of the Germans and against the majority of the Europeans.

Greetings. I do see similarities in that a back lash against excessive immigration has destabilised the right, and although not ejecting the main right party, it has weakened their position, and empowered the divisive far right thinking. The scene in Germany has been destabilised.

I always thought that Merkel's approach was an error with regard to this issue for the following reasons:

1. The right in all countries includes people who are racist or have a defensive or exclusionary view of their genes or culture. I have heard such arguments from embattled indigenous leaders, for example the Maoris, who wish to preserve their race, culture and language, and of course, we applaud this. When you have a large diverse society like Uk, and increasingly Germany, if immigration is done in an insensitive, excessive way, it inflames those groups, and some more balanced thinkers advise caution for this reason.

2. The people arriving in Germany are mostly NOT Syrians and Libyans. They are other victims of the same evil western destabilisation in the Middle East & Africa, who come because said destabilisation has facilitated it.

3. Many of the people arriving are the MORE ABLE, ones who could scrape the money together to move & travel. Ones who have a chance of employment in Europe, because they possess valuable skill sets, that Countries like Syria have invested in. So a BRAIN DRAIN.

4. It would have been better, if desiring to help refugees, to take the most vulnerable out of the camps surrounding Syria, and within the country.

5. Merkel's open door policy caused an exodus that has inflamed all countries between Germany & the Middle East. They are suffering from crime, camps, fences, etc and this is feeding an Anti German and Anti EU feeling.

So if one believes that a shadowy elite are manipulating this for secret and dastardly reasons, surely they are taking risks with their EU project. Even with their strategy to use Germany to build their super state. It is a dangerous strategy for them.

The video above details the thinking of some of the uber-elite 'National Socialists' who are driving the EU project. 'National', of course, being the EU state that is being built. It really is very old fashioned thinking. It reminds me of my visit to the KunstNaturlische Museum in Vienna in 1983, when one could see clear echoes of the bizarre Racial 'science' prevalent among the more Nazi of the Darwinists. Rooms full of pictures and measurements of skulls, faces etc.

The idea is to build the super state by creating a blue-blood/Jewish elite , ruling a mongrel 'negroid' European population. Presumably they thought that the mongrels would make an easily dominated slave race for them. This thinking is nonsense in terms of genetics, and culture. When you mix genes and culture, you unleash Hybrid Vigour dynamism. Crossing human races tends to upgrade the genetic quality, as it is a stronger mechanism for removing in bred recessive poor genes, weaknesses or mutations. The concept of hybrid vigour is main stream genetic science. I also, as a Londoner, love cultural diversity, which through cross fertilisation produces wonderful things. Just listen to the music of Nitin Sawhney, for example.

So is the strategy under-pinning the Euro Super state, using race a lie , or a mirage?

I do not think so, I believe a different process is going on, and this uncontrolled in flow IS part of the strategy.

What I think is happening is that there is a multi pronged strategy to build the Euro Super state, as a powerful bloc to serve the interests of the dark elite. The economic dimension is well known. Throughout European history, when a group of Nations forge a larger grouping, usually through conquest, the results are economic boom. This is because business and the state are able to reduce their own overheads, such as tariff infrastructure, rules and regulations, currency exchange etc. This is what Europe is experiencing. It is the same, fundamentally, as what happened when the larger European nations were built from other smaller, now forgotten nations. Who remembers Savoy, Wessex, Prussia etc?

On the cultural front something similar happens. So far so good. But how do the refugees fit in?

David Icke has mentioned the Nation State, as has the yucky Steve Bannon. We are facing the cultural, legal, and economic assassination of the established European Nation States. To make way for the new one. This, in itself is not sinister. People should and must have the ability to build new structures and change their own social order as they see fit.

However what the EU is asking us to do is relinquish the existing National structures, which generally include a (weak and faulty) set of democratic checks and balances, transparency, defences against corporate tyranny etc. The structure we are being offered DOES NOT include even these minimal protections. The European Parliament is a puppet show for snowflakes.

It has little or no sovereignty, and does not produce legislation. It ratifies legislation produced by an unaccountable bureaucracy
The poor snowflakes see the fluffy socialistic EU as similar to their own governments. Look - the EU will never allow nasty neonicotinoids, or US style warmongering. My point is that there are no mechanisms to prevent these horrors in the future EU superstate. It needs reforming. If you want to give away your protections, make sure you build better ones at the EU level.

How do the refugees fit in?

The racial part of Coudenhove Kalergi can be discredited. However the psi-op to destroy any positive perception of the nation State within the minds of the people is well under way. If you destabilise the German Democracy, people will turn to the EU. If you kill the idea of German Culture, the superstate is strengthened. This is the strategy being employed. It is the creation of World Citizens under non democratic blocs.

So far, I see the strategy as faulty. The UK experience is that the new arrivals come in and their cultures are celebrated. The arrivals often come from poor states, and have greater respect for the national Institutions than the people already there! The UK's cultural and racial diversity is making the UK a better place. So I would hope that the Germans, who are very unlikely to ever leave the EU, concentrate on reforming it. But NOT IN A MACRON WAY!