Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[neutronstar]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”

He has lost credibility with me quite awhile ago.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Akasha, quoting Pieczenik (here)
"There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”

In this case, that's the kind of eyes-tight-shut idiocy that gives the alt media a really bad name. There are multiple witnesses, multiple videos, multiple photos, and there was real triage overwhelm at ER.

[waves]

YES YES YES to Mr. Pieczenik. What do you think you know for sure about any of this? What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

Can we please stop speculating as if ANYTHING is true - not a roomful of rifles, not so many dead or hurt if any, not anything about Paddock, not where any shots came from, not Isis... name it, not anything.

If anything was true the massive Las Vegas surveillance proof would be pouring out.
If anything was true massive video from concertgoers would exist. There's nothing!

No proof is being offered whatsoever for all the 'facts' being reported.

It's much much smarter right now to look at any video or photos first as possibly staged and any info being given to media a lie and wait.

What's smart? - start noticing which pundits mainstream or alt are going on and on taking anything face value and declaring conclusions about anything - it means they are dupes or players too.

[Caliban]

None of the videos are any kind of proof of anything, unless it's proof of total confusion. Remember how convincing the hospital staff seemed in Orlando? Remember their press conferences for cripes sake? No, you can't believe any of it. C'mon peeps, after all that's gone down, we need to be far, far more wary and dubious with this. We need more time and much more analysis.

What's interesting about Pieczenik in that video with Jones's guy is how kind of jaded and almost burnt out he sounds. Some might say he's lost it but maybe he's just seen and heard too much. Sounded disgusted with the whole "shootin' match." Excuse the pun.

Posted by waves (here)
YES YES YES to Mr. Pieczenik. What do you think you know for sure about any of this? What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

Can we please stop speculating as if ANYTHING is true - not a roomful of rifles, not so many dead or hurt if any, not anything about Paddock, not where any shots came from, not Isis... name it, not anything.

If anything was true the massive Las Vegas surveillance proof would be pouring out.
If anything was true massive video from concertgoers would exist. There's nothing!

No proof is being offered whatsoever for all the 'facts' being reported.

It's much much smarter right now to look at any video or photos first as possibly staged and any info being given to media a lie and wait.

What's smart? - start noticing which pundits mainstream or alt are going on and on taking anything face value and declaring conclusions about anything - it means they are dupes or players too.

[Nasu]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jDP2MRBnGsI

I don't agree with this interview at all. Just my opinion, but I think the theory of both makes much more rational sense to me, false flag AND psi op AND massacre AND set up for gun control and or civil war. As has been mentioned, all of the above, perhaps as has been said to cause mass confusion, the fog of war so to speak. There is too much evidence to suggest that no one was shot, too many people involved to be able to control all the variables with complete precision.

Even at $100 per hour or more, there would be witnesses to counter the narrative, someone would talk. It defies logic that all those emt's, doctors, nurses, ambulance workers, hospital cleaners, hospital administrators, hospital insurance administrators, police, dhs operatives, cab drivers, hotel staff, hotel security, pizza delivery workers, singers, band members, concert goers and members of the general public - all being paid to shut up, or all being threatened to shut up?? It makes no logical sense, no matter how much you paid them per hour.

Saying there were no casualties just ads more fog to an already very foggy picture. There is too much evidence for casualties, comparing it to the casualty free, triage free, false flag event of Sandy Hook is to do a disservice to the clever minds who created THIS false flag. As Bill said, to assume that THEY made a mistake or several mistakes is to underestimate THEM, we must not give them that advantage.

The sad picture that has slowly emerged over the past week that seems to make the most sense to me is this:

I don't believe this was Islamic Terror or ANTIFA, most likely imo a US contractor or sub group / division of the NSA/FBI/CIA/DHS or similar. Some group able to influence msm sources, with access to the software engineering of the back end of both Facebook and YouTube. This event was clearly pre planned meticulously with the suspect / patsy's involvement, he brought the weapons after all, but was carried out by at least two hard nosed, salty dog contractors using belt or drum fed automatic weapons from vantage points other than the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Casino. Clearly the suspect / patsy had no escape plan as some msm have suggested he did, if he had he would not have booked the room in his own name.

There were at least two small cracks in opsec or operational security, one being the twitter warnings of a month prior and the other being the couple who warned off some of the event goers with grim forecasts of impending death.

The motive seems to be greed, in the form of financial returns from "shorting" the stock of the parent company MGM, to the longer term gains of increased security equipment / logistics and agreements for the many hotel and casinos in Nevada, similar to the way that Mumbai in India and Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in Israel has gone after their security breaches. Plus some more panic gun buying to ad fuel to the impending civil war and or gun control for good measure...

imo.... N

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by waves (here)
What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

9 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.

• http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_...6_Oct_2017.mp3

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]
Whoever orchestrated this would have been smart enough to know that's exactly how it would all play out soon after the incident.
[...]

... thinking about it... maybe "they" were also testing if a completely botched False Flag would still stick in the public mind thanks to the collusion of MSM narrative and, also, testing how long it'll take Google and YouTube to disappear damning evidence to the contrary...

... OK, I think I have added a new feather to my tinfoil hat

[Nasu]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by waves (here)
What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.

• http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_...6_Oct_2017.mp3

Weird. The last minute of that clip is cut off or is it just me?

It says the clip is 5 mins and 12 secs long but jumps at the 4 min and 6 sec mark to the end?... N

From Bill: It's 4:01, and looks just fine at this end!

[Nasu]

Posted by Nasu (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by waves (here)
What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.

• http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_...6_Oct_2017.mp3

Weird. The last minute of that clip is cut off or is it just me?

It says the clip is 5 mins and 12 secs long but jumps at the 4 min and 6 sec mark to the end?... N

From Bill: It's 4:01, and looks just fine at this end!

Ok cool, Thanks Bill. Just want to be sure that my paranoia levels are staying in balance..

Mind you just because we are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not going to get us! lol....x..... N

[Wind]

Posted by neutronstar (here)
I like to think of it much like the movie "Eagle Eye". I bet it is not too far off from the truth of what they have. It is tied into every electronic device we have to gather the information. The more eyes they have on us the better the computer is at determining the outcome. Now with cell phones and smart TVs they have eyes and ears in our homes.

Computers, Smartphones Can Be Used as a Sonar-Like Tracking System

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1XQgaqOlEIc

[turiya]

X22Report - Oct 6, 2017

VIDEO
https://youtu.be/jtI8tGX7qXo?t=10m15s

_______Relevant Articles_______

ISIS Triples Down On Vegas Shooter Claims: Claims Paddock “Converted Six Months Ago”

• Oct 6, 2017

• ISIS has tripled-down on its claim that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was both a convert to Islam and operating on its behalf in its just published edition of its weekly Naba newsletter. The Islamic State propaganda newsletter features infographs and new specific claims concerning Paddock, who the terror group identifies according to the Muslim name, Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki (or Abu Abdul Barr “The American”).

• Whereas ISIS media statements initially said Paddock converted “months ago” the new publication now claims he converted six months ago.

Source: zerohedge.com

THE VEGAS PLOT THICKENS: THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SHOOTER AND AN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

• But how much can Mike Toke really say in a limited amount of characters? But what he does manage is enough to get anyone seeking the truth to follow all these leads and look into everything that the media and our government continues to hide from us. It’s what’s embedded in the tweet that counts.

• Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC, which there is little information on.
• However, Volant Associates is none other than a Department of Defense contractor. Meaning Paddock’s plane has been in the hands of the United States government for the past three years and grounded since –
• Volant’s describes it’s mission on their website as providing “the industry’s preeminent professionals to discriminating U.S. government and intelligence-and-defense-industry customers.”
• The registration of this plane is also listed as “active” even though it hasn’t been flown in three years. The FAA should have this same information. But they don’t. Their website shows that a different aircraft, a Cessna 152, maintains that tail number and it was last registered to a person in San Diego, California. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is a government agency, and it appears that it has scrubbed this plane’s information. Now, why would they do that?

Source: dailysheeple.com

@JulianAssange Replying to @RedactedTonight — Almost all “terror” plots are created by the FBI as part of its business model.

SOURCE

[Nasu]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)
I like to think of it much like the movie "Eagle Eye". I bet it is not too far off from the truth of what they have. It is tied into every electronic device we have to gather the information. The more eyes they have on us the better the computer is at determining the outcome. Now with cell phones and smart TVs they have eyes and ears in our homes.

Computers, Smartphones Can Be Used as a Sonar-Like Tracking System

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1XQgaqOlEIc

Good movie. Who knows if they have this tech, seems likely but who knows. I like Herve's idea that all of this is to test the systems capabilities, like a feedback loop. If that were the case, WE are part of that algorithm, WE are part of that system... Scary stuff indeed..

If anyone wants some distraction from the horrors of reality, here is that movie, it's quite good....

http://sockshare.net/watch/jyGDrVv6-eagle-eye.html

[cascadian]

I personally know a couple friends who were present at the concert. I haven't talked personally with them yet, but through their communications with family and friends via other communication forms during and shortly after the event, their was definitely a modern firearms shooting massacre and people were killed. I don't doubt this event may be a false flag, but it it certainly was not fake/staged, etc. as some are claiming.

[waves]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by waves (here)
What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.

• http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_...6_Oct_2017.mp3

Strongly disagree, I think this call-in 'it' was staged. I think there's good reason to suspect this alleged concertgoer is an actor inserting a new nugget into the false narrative....

- that 'there weren't more deaths because 20-30% in the crowd were veterans and first responders who knew what to do in a crisis'.

Really? How long did this guy linger to watch this tear-jerk story and know 5,000-7,000 attendees lingered during gunfire to help wounded? Do you believe 500+ wounded even exist considering their social media dead silence after the most bizarre night of their lives?

:27 .... "....real quick one thing I just want to say is...is... had that not been the crowd it was.... there would have been far more deaths....and you really have to thank god that the people that were there.... I'd say 20 or 30% were former active ...were active duty... or you know... veterans... that were in there..... and then you have a ton of first responders in there and they.... you know... they know how to react in that situation... you know... I didn't... we didn't... and uh... you would have seen a lot more deaths in that scenario if... that wasn't the crowd that was there."

"It went on for 7 minutes"
"my wife and I ran across there while they were still shooting...they were shooting...'"
"pray for the victims... and donate to the victims...there's a GoFundMe site out there...."

3:44 Alex inserting an unproven subject changing meme a doomy voice: "...and there's all the wierd Islamic connections"

I see this all as narrative seeding as usual and that's totally player. I've come to see Alex as the controlled opposition - always playing both sides, planting unproven memes galore and clearly obeying marching orders on certain subjects about what to say and NOT say.

Sorry, I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by waves (here)
I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

100% fully agreed.

Then, please, watch every single one of the videos of the shooting victims, watch the interviews of the nurses who were in ER, and listen to the audio interviews of the witnesses on the ground. (This might take you quite a long time, because there's a lot of material you've clearly not seen and maybe are genuinely unaware of.)

And, when you do, please pay super close attention to all that detail.

[KiwiElf]

Just so readers can put a "face to a name" - pictures of the above two mentioned type of aircraft (... you don't need to be super rich to own them ):

Cirrus SR20
One of the most popular 4-seat aircraft and still being manufactured today - this is the lower powered version of the sister aircraft, the high performance SR22. Both famous for being the only aircraft equipped with a whole aircraft parachute recovery system, known as CAPS® (Cirrus Airframe Parachute System® (CAPS®)) - both models are the top selling light aircraft today, a position held for several years.
Value today: $140,000 - $450,000 US, depending on age and condition




https://cirrusaircraft.com/aircraft/sr20/

Cessna 152
First delivered in 1977 as the 1978 model year, the 152 was a modernization of the proven Cessna 150 design. Production of the 152 was ended in 1985; by that time, a total of 7,584 examples of the 152 had been built worldwide. They are essentially a 2-seat training aircraft and still widely used as such in aero clubs around the world.
Value today: $22,000 - $47,000 US, depending on age and condition



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_152

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Just so readers can put a "face to a name" - pictures of the above two mentioned type of aircraft (... you don't need to be super rich to own them ):

A very minor footnote to this, included for the sake of completeness: Paddock hadn't flown for four years, because he was no longer medically qualified to do so.

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Bill - just added the average value for either aircraft as well (...just to balance out the MSM's vague claim of him "owning 2 aircraft" - some maybe getting the wrong idea you need to be a multi-millionaire to own them,... you don't. They are far from being in the LearJet category! )

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”

Pieczenik is feeding the controversy. If he was not such an articulate, experienced, insider with a long history working with the deep state, then I might give him the benefit of the doubt and allow for the possibility that he was confused. But Pieczenik knows too much, and so I can only assume that he's knowingly spreading false propaganda.

I figure that Jon Rappoport has nailed it, in his latest blog entry at Vegas shooting: real vs. fake.

This operation is a deliberate and confused mix of fake and real, lies told, truth suppressed and truth told, with the intention of confusing and disqualifying the sort of analysis seen in this thread, and from other independent researchers.

Let me quote a portion of Rappoport's latest blog entry:

================

Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.

Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.

The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and “unsolvable” anomalies.

And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.

“Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They’re fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake.”

“Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it.”

Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out “conspiracy theories,” presents them, and says: “Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation.” Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.

When you think about it, the hypothesis I’m presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.

“Real or fake” is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. “It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that.” We’re looking at a trap, we’re looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.

In certain cases, it can be “real and fake.”

And when it is, and when it’s intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.

Which is the desired effect.

“Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know.”

It was both.

================

[waves]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by waves (here)
I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

100% fully agreed.

Then, please, watch every single one of the videos of the shooting victims, watch the interviews of the nurses who were in ER, and listen to the audio interviews of the witnesses on the ground. (This might take you quite a long time, because there's a lot of material you've clearly not seen and maybe are genuinely unaware of.)

And, when you do, please pay super close attention to all that detail.

I've watched everything here, lots more alt pundits not worth sharing here, all the 'names' saying anything but have had a hard time finding private YT videos by people who were there, especially any witness not only on some alt site. One of the more authentic video's so far to me was the lady at the Bellagio walking up and down the hall talking about the front door having been shot. Otherwise, I find the language so assumptive.

My issue is how so many are taking parts of the story face value too soon and repeating unknowns as fact. For example a sentence referring to '...the rifles in the room' is already false. The truth is still '...the alleged rifles in the room'. That's why it was such a relief to hear Pieszenik say 'hey! slow down, we know nothing!'. For the record, I agree with that, I don't agree that there were no victims.

So far I suspect there were some murders committed to have some and some wounded, but nowhere near the numbers magically counted and broadcast within hours. I suspect no shots came from the Mandalay 32nd floor. I suspect the perps are the still rabidly angry out of their minds swamp denizens, this is a multi-purpose scheme and we can draw a direct line from the benefits to them.

Almost all sides of the media world are feeling like these two to me from They Live more than ever before.....