Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Caliban (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
LOL America is Hollywood is America

Yes.

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November. That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

However, I tend to agree, on the whole. Helene West said something on here a month or so ago that pretty much went ignored but hit me very hard. That while we go on and on speculating about this and many other similar topics... nothing changes. Things go on and seem to worsen.

You might say well, we're spreading the word, shedding light, etc. But we're really doing nothing. Or, nothing much. Or, we're doing just what THEY want us to be doing. Going round and round in endless speculation and theorizing.

Yes, we have brilliant people here, yes we have subtle analysis and yes we probably get close to the truth of things. But, one--most people "out there" don't care to hear about it, proved to me just tonight in a conversation. This is all too much for people with "busy lives" to handle, hear about, and possibly research. And two--what are we accomplishing? Is all this sharing of information, which is what we're doing--going to lead to any true changes in society? Or is this a "private" little club and we could just as well be playing five card stud?

Always remember, "You can take the horse to water... etc", the baby & the bathwater, and "You can fool some of the people... etc" -

[alexius]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by alexius (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

This person is a male and looks like he is in a law enforcement uniform. He's holding what appears to me to be a hand gun. It could be a small uzi-type automatic weapon. He looks guilty as hell of something.

To me it appears as if the guy coming in to frame is also the individual providing the light-source. It looks a bit strange because at the moment when the light gets on, there is a person standing very close to it, he/she crouches down instantly. Between 8-9 seconds, people further away that gets hit by the flashlight seems drop down effortlessly. This all happens together with the sound of bullets going off.

I do agree that there is plenty of similarities between the one person I mention and the one coming into frame around 19 seconds in. Can't really tell because it's very dark.. It does look like he has something in his right hand.

Edit: Also pay attention to the crowd all around. Look at the reaction/movement when the shots go off. They all seem to react to something happening near this centre where the guy comes creeping in.

[Hervé]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by alexius (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

See this same video's first part repeated in slow-mo here: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a35_1507244524


Still no broken windows on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay:

Police officers stand at the scene of a shooting near the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip, Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas.
CapeCod.com 5472 × 3648 (click on picture for High-rez Version)

From that evidence alone, the whole house of cards narrative falls down flat on its face. No quibbles!

[KiwiElf]

I think we have all established the false flag without a doubt;

Who benefits? What's the bigger Picture? Where is this going? What's next?

(And maybe those should be treated as rhetorical questions so we don't give the AI any clues )

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Caliban (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
LOL America is Hollywood is America

Yes.

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November. That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

Well, hardly! Some are small-picture, but others are not.

The very first article listed quotes this, for instance:

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According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:

“The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

[Flash]

this makes sooooo much sense that it becomes truly scary

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
LOL America is Hollywood is America

Yes.

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November. That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

Well, hardly! Some are small-picture, but others are not.

The very first article listed quotes this, for instance:

~~~

According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:

“The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Flash (here)
this makes sooooo much sense that it becomes truly scary

Yes, no kidding. I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend that everyone reads — or at least fast-skims — this entire most excellent article.

• http://rense.com/general96/isisgunmanvegas.html

ISIS Gunmen In Vegas Executed US Defense Spy Paddock

By Yoichi Shimatsu
8 October, 2017

Official cover-ups of crimes that implicate the national-security establishment, as the Vegas massacre surely has done, must be handled with patience learned from prior investigative experience in order to spot disinformation and assemble credible evidence into a reconstruction of the totality of the crime, including the sequence of events, role of other participants, relationship to the government, background and motive.

In pathetic contrast, the compliant news media portrays alleged gunman Stephen Paddock as a lone gunman and man of mystery without making an serious effort at uncovering his connections to the intelligence services, which happens to be the key to comprehending the reasons behind this puzzling mass murder. Then there is the planted single gunman claim like the FBI tip to Infowars that suspect Paddock was killed in the Bureau's assault and that antifa (anti-fascist, anti-racist anarchism) literature was found in the 32nd floor room at the Mandalay. (Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo countered that falsehood from the FBI by stating forthrightly that more than one shooter was involved.) Here it will be shown that Paddock was anything but a radical anarchist and instead worked as a contract agent for the Defense Department and CIA.

The FBI-Las Vegas police feud was discussed at the 4chan thread, which was soon closed down for new comments:

According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:: “The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

Arguably more grotesque are the online snipers who falsely insist that the Vegas massacre never happened but was a stage-play faked by crisis actors. (There are crisis actors, but they are hired by public relations firms after a calamity to divert public attention from the actual trauma victims.)

Citizen journalism defies online censorship and trolls

In contrast to the paucity of information from the mainstream media, rense.com has posted eyewitness accounts and revelations from hotel staffers. Despite the shutdown of new comments under management pressure, the online boards reddit, 4chan and VOAT have done a fast and worthy job of separating out some nuggets of information from the chatter and planted disinfo. Unofficial citizen journalism has assembled the pieces needed for a cohesive picture of the alleged perpetrator and his connections with the intelligence establishment and to the radical Muslim ISIS.

From these informal sources, three salient issues have surfaced:
- indisputable evidence that a squad of multiple shooters were involved rather than just a lone gunman
- the relocation of one of Paddock’s airplanes between Virginia airports after an ATF agent was killed in the cover-up of Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious gun-peddling operation
- the visits of Paddock and companion Marilou Danley to the UAE, Jordan and Israel while President Barack Obama was starting to turn against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

Paddock as Agency Spy against ISIS

Those morsels of vital information indicate that Paddock served for a long-time as contract agent for CIA-FBI gun-running and as a possible trained assassin.

The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

Police radio chatter and initial reports, especially in cases of politically sensitive crimes against public security, are often the most accurate, and therefore invariably followed by disinformation under a politicized cover-up. For an investigative journalist like myself, who led the probe into the Tokyo Subway gassing, consideration of early-on eyewitness reports and initial police comments is a rule of thumb. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (LVMPD) scanner (police-band radio) messages to and from the front-line cops is the indelible first draft, and what comes later is censorship.

The earliest time-sequence report out of Vegas was posted at reddit under “Gunshots Downtown Right Now?” by Caram2, who was alerted to the gunfire by his sister, a employee at the MGM Grand who escaped the concert by running to the nearby airport. The timeline is fresher and more revealing than his post-event introduction, which already by then was influenced by Fox News’ knee-jerk response of a lone gunman narrative from the FBI.

The comments below are his transcript from the LVMPD scanner. Here are a few notable excerpts of the salient points:

(The first gunshots were at 10:08)
10:11 Sister saying gunshots have slowed/stopped
10:29 2-4 shooters - some officers pinned down
10:38 Police say no shots fired 10-15 minutes
10:47 Scanner says two scenes, injured personnel
10:49 Reno and Trop(icana)
(note: Reno Avenue East is the location of the Tropicana, Excalibur and New York New York Hotels)
11:00 2 locations confirmed at Mandalay Bay and Ali Baba
(note: Henderson’s Ali Baba is a posh Lebanese restaurant.)
11:05 Scanner says 3 shooters unconfirmed. Hacienda and Trop/Vegas?? Has bodies / shooters. Not sure when last shots were fired. Tropicana offramp is losed.
(note: The Mandalay Bay is built on the site of the demolished Hacienda.
11:06 Scanner says multiple 419s?? Scanner: do not worry about injured, Neutralize Threat.
(note: 419 stands for “Dead Body”)
11:17 Officers outside the alleged shooter room at the Mandalay. . . .
11:18 NYNY shooter is heading to the Excalibur.
(note: NYNY is the New York New York Hotel two blocks north on Las Vegas Boulevard S)
1:34 Metro (police) press conference: 2 suspects dead/1 detained. One POC.
(note - POC: police officer casualty? Or person of color?)

Making Sense of the Chatter

The sister, who was near the stage, escaped the gunfire after a truck tore down a section of fence and she managed to reach safety at the nearby airport. Her mobile calls from the scene and the airport indicated the firing had slowed within the first 3 minutes. Therefore most of 1,000-2,000 bullets were fired in that short space of time, while the revelers were trying to disperse or find cover.

As part of the politicized gun-control debate, opponents of the Second Amendment have falsely claimed that a bump stock device (which uses recoil to re-engage the trigger) can enable a semiautomatic weapon, like the one found with Paddock, to fire 400 rounds per minute. This is a deliberate deceit, since 400 Rpm, take note here, is the “rate of fire” (as in highest firing rate during bursts) and not the number of bullets that can actually be shot within a minute. 400 shots would require 14 reloads and re-aiming, each requiring about 10 seconds, for a total down time of more than 2 minutes.

The FBI photo taken in Paddock’s hotel room showed a stack of curved AK-47 magazines, each holding 30 bullets; there was no bandolier-type machine-gun belt in sight. Therefore, the lone gunman narrative is preposterous, and anyone who put this sort of nonsense forward, especially from law enforcement, is a knowing liar. For that reason alone, the bump stock ban proposed in Congress should be voted down, at least until the proponents admit their deception and agree to stick to facts.

Multiple shooters, 5 or more sites

Aside from the Mandalay Bay, the police-radio intercept disclose two other nearby shooting scenes: the Tropicana and New York New York hotels. The Tropicana hotel-casino is located across Las Vegas Boulevard South (aka The Strip) about a half block from the Mandalay Bay (the southernmost on The Strip). It directly adjoins the site of the Route 91 Harvest Festival, opposite the Mandalay.

The rapid-fire shooting from the Tropicana is, therefore, consistent with eyewitness reports of a “crossfire” by the second shooter, who was likely killed by the police, as reported at the first Metropolitan Police news conference.

A third shooter, firing from New York New York hotel, is reportedly in detention, presumably captured while trying to flee in a car across the boulevard to the Excalibur. The NYNY is across the boulevard from the Tropicana, or the same side of the street as Mandalay Bay (and the Luxor). It is at a catty-corner across from the open-air concert venue.

There were three firing points in a deadly triangle, just like the trio at the Paris Bataclan (only 2 gunmen were killed, and one escaped) and Orlando Pulse (1 killed, 2 escaped). Triangulation is intended to keep the crowd confined rather than making a quick escape. (In a shooting situation, every couple of seconds feels like minute, when perception time slows to a crawl, and therefore within 20 seconds targeted individuals should be able to dash to escape or find cover, that is, in the case of a single gunman.) Even with those three shooters, at least one of them must have used a belt-loading machine gun, probably similar to a 7.62mm NATO standard, to account for the intense firepower within three minutes, along with the basso boom from the muzzle blast.

Guests and staff at another separate cluster of two or three hotels also heard nearby low-caliber small-arms fire, shootings which so far can be interpreted as diversionary actions intended to confuse the police. These secondary incidents were at the Bellagio and Caesar’s Palace, and probably the Aria, at the corner of Flamingo Avenue, two blocks north of the Harvest Festival. Later that night a local civilian resident with a rifle tried to enter Caesar’s after having heard about gunshots fired inside.

Gunfire at the Ali Baba Lebanese restaurant was later denied, although it may have been a misfired weapon kept ready by a back-up team to assist the escape of the hotel gunmen.

Therefore, the hit squad in Las Vegas included a minimum of 5 gunmen, although more likely 6-7 shooters, with a contingent of support personnel for communications, logistics and transport as well as to trip up hotel security. Hotel staff at the Mandalay saw an assailant in a hotel security uniform being chased down a hall by police officers.

The attack on Las Vegas was a small-scale paramilitary operation, probably involving a squad of radical Muslim ISIS supporters to avenge Obama’s betrayal of the Caliphate. The "one POC" code word heard on police radio scanner likely refers to a "person of color", likely from Africa, perhaps Somalia or Sudan, implying the two other suspects were light-skinned, perhaps Arabs or even white American recruits.

A most difficult problem in this incident is the code of silence among the hundreds of Muslim hotel workers and chauffeurs along The Strip, whose ultimate loyalties are with shariah law and not the U.S. Constitution. Vegas was a classic case study of the absolute failure and delusions about Muslim integration under the democratic traditions of American society. That is an undeniable fact that contributed enormously to the murder and mayhem, politically incorrect though it may sound.

On the side of caution, one cannot discount the possibility of an Israeli Mossad deep-cover false-flag operation aimed at ensuring more military aid from the U.S. against Iran and other foes. As for the professional sad clowns called “crisis actors”, the online bloggers who spread this sort of chum for fools are cogs in the repressive machinery of state working for the Feds or the Mossad.

For Paddock, to balk was a death sentence

The only remotely honest law-enforcement official with public presence, Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, stated that suspect Paddock intended to survive the massacre. His assessment was based on the presence of a precursor chemical for explosives and more guns inside his car, which was left in the parking level of the Metropolitan. In other words, Paddock did not commit suicide, and there was no reason for him to wait for SWAT to arrive.

Since the firing had ceased by around 10:20 p.m., and the SWAT team did not storm his room until after 11:00, Paddock had 40 minutes to make his escape in the crowd of panicked guests down the elevators to the parking level. Why did he not exfiltrate?

The only possible answer is: Because he was already dead, killed before the shooting spree started. Who would have murdered Paddock just prior to the gunfire on the crowd below? One of the gunmen, of course.

Why? Because the would-be “buyers” of his stash of guns (none of them were legally purchased from registered firearms dealers, as implied by media fakery) had long suspected that his offer of weapons for sale was bait in an FBI-CIA trap. The ISIS knew very well that his disingenuous conversion to Islam was a ploy hatched by his bosses at the CIA and DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency).

So the jihadists offered him one last test of faith before his “martyrdom”. At every terror site, at least one dead martyr must be left behind for the sake of the lone gunman myth, which benefits both the political class to appease public anger and also the terrorists trying to conserve manpower for their next strike. Paddock was more useful as a fall guy than as a fighter.

To flush out informers, crime groups will often order a new member to murder an undercover police informant or a friend in a rival gang, as depicted in the Johnny Depp movie “Donnie Brasco”. In real life and in the movie, Joe Pistone aka Brasco was shrewd enough not to flinch and shot his pal Tony Mirra, to the satisfaction of the Bonnano mob, and no further questions were asked of the rookie who had earned their trust as an unquestioning obedient henchman.

During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

His prayer was answered with a gunshot to the back of the head. That bloody head is edited out the FBI photo of his body, if indeed that was his actual corpse. (Since he was laid out with a Kevlar vest, why wouldn’t he also have worn a helmet to deflect bullets?) That’s when the ISIS team leader would text-message his gunman to commence the slaughter. They had no need for Paddock’s dodgy cache of weapons; they brought their own heavier machine-guns to the fatwa fiesta.

Now, boys and girls, if you want to be a secret agent for the Feds or the Agency, whenever the bad guys tell you to mow down your teammates, just do as they say and make sure there are no wounded survivors who might recognize you as one of their own and moan to you. “Jeez, good to see you again, hey, how come you’re not wearing a badge?” Kill everyone, even your loved ones, or you too will soon join the dead. That’s what it takes to be a first-class Fed, utter ruthlessness arising from the will to survive with no space for regrets or chance of redemption. It’s a lonely life that exits in hell.

Every Breath You Take

The sting operation known as Fast and Furious, initiated in 2009 by Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder turned into a self-inflicted disaster for law enforcement and national security. Supposedly traceable guns, embedded with RFID chips, were sold to the Mexican drug mafia. The concept was to track the homing devices inside the guns along the supply chain of felons up the ladder to the big bosses in Cuidad Juarez, Sinaloa state, the capital and other major smuggling hubs and money-laundering centers.

Since mobile-phone service and hotspots can be spotty in those backwaters, the FBI lost track of those firearms. It’s likely that the Mexican smugglers knew Fast and Furious was too good to be true, and took apart a gun to locate the tracking device. An estimated 10,000 civilian fatalities are attributed to those rapid-fire weapons, including American law-enforcement officials along the border, a blowback which led to an abrupt end of gun-walking. (The term means letting the criminals walk into a gun shop for an illegal purchase and walk out with firearms, in that case across the borderline.)

The killings of Americans with Holder’s guns resulted in an internal-affairs probe into the source of those firearms,which was the arsenals of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau (ATF, under the Department of Homeland Security). The Obama White House responded with a self-protective cover-up, and ATF bosses were under heat to perjure themselves before Congress. So this is when Stephen Paddock’s airplane and his inexplicable wealth enter the dark picture show.

Homicide or Suicide?

That’s how one headline described the 2013 deaths of 20-year veteran ATF agent Paul Parisi and his wife Janine inside their home in Chantilly, Virginia. As an arson and explosives expert, Parisi was stationed at the local ATF field office, near the top-level forensic laboratory at Quantico, the FBI Academy, which also serves the scientific requests of Pentagon’s investigative unit called the Defense Security Service (DSS).

One of the questions related to Fast and Furious was the possible role of a suspected mafia mole inside U.S. law enforcement, so DNA testing and chemical analysis were meticulously done on recovered Fast and Furious guns, putting Paul Parisi on the wrong side in the eyes of certain higher-up circles who were not eager to see his forensic findings reach Congress.

A Big Bopper’s Chantilly Lace

In that same area of Virginia, starting in 2006, one Stephen C. Paddock (the Las Vegas suspect’s middle name is Craig), who was a resident of Henderson, Texas, and Mesquite, Nevada, based his Cirrus SR20, tail number N5343M, at Chantilly airfield. But then, just months after the Parisi deaths, he relocated the home field of that single-engine propeller plane 22 miles away to an airstrip at Roanoke.

Parked at Roanoke for the next three years, the same-model Cirrus with identical tail number N5343M was registered as belonging to Volant LLC, which conducts top-secret assignments in intelligence and defense operations, something like the Mission Impossible team. Three weeks prior to the Vegas massacre, however, the Cirrus made its first recent flight, presumably by Paddock or another Agency pilot to deliver his consignment of guns to Las Vegas.

Thanks to a vigilant citizen online by name of Mike, that defense contractor is now in the spotlight. The limited liability company describes its team of experts as follows: “A Volant Associate proudly serves the needs of the nation’s Intelligence and Defense Community. Each associate matches a specific and rigorous profile and is the absolute best of his or her breed: a dedicated, driven, educated, broadly experienced leader who holds, at a minimum, an active Top Secret SCI clearance”

To translate the alphabet soup: Top Secret (TS); SCI means Sensitive Compartmented Information, or high-level access to classified information on file. This lacework of acronyms can deadlier for one’s health than arsenic.

A notable feature of the Cirrus SR20 model is its rocket-opened parachute, which prevents a damaged aircraft from crashing into buildings while carry dangerous cargo, for example, explosives or ammunition. With seating for 4 passengers (which can be used for cargo space) and a range of 780 nautical miles, the Cirrus is an ideal plane for arms traffickers, involved in Fast and Furious and/or its successor program transporting spooked guns to Islamic radicals.

Online access to various employment agencies connected with Volant LLC have been blocked since recent revelations of Paddock’s long-time relationship to that defense contractor.

Dad was FBI’s Most Wanted

How could the eldest son of a bank robber, diagnosed as a psychopath, on the FBI Most Wanted List, become a government-trusted military contractor and a multimillionaire (with no visible means of support)?

A migrant from Sheboygan, Wisconsin, to the Sunbelt, his father Benjamin Hoskins Paddock Jr. was arrested several times in the 1950s for automobile larceny, con games and passing bad checks, resulting in debts from which he tried to bounce back with two armed robberies at braches of the Valley Bank in Tucson, Arizona, in 1959 and '60. While serving a prison sentence, Big Ben (6’2” tall) staged a prison break in 1969 and was on the lam for 7 years, operating under a false identity as a bingo parlor operator in Oregon. Although none of his sons admit to being in contact with him, the family somehow survived on the ill-gotten lucre despite the FBI watch on their Tucson home.

At the time of the prison escape and his posting on the Most Wanted list, Stephen Paddock was 15 years old, the eldest of four sons raised by their single mother. Contrary to the present-day media’s attempt to cast a “like father, like son” psychoanalysis on Stephen, in fact he managed to earned a business degree from Cal State Northridge, which qualified him to work as accountant and also gave him training in algorithms, later used to win big at video poker in casinos. Methodical, calm and low-key, his biography so far has showed no signs of his being a psychotic. His only deviance was the hiring of $6,000 per session hookers for bondage fake-rape sex, a dominance-subordination pastime that millions of otherwise straight-laced men and women also seem to enjoy, for whatever mournful reasons.

What is incongruous for the son of a fugitive bank robber, however, is that his entire working career, which lasted a mere 12 years, was entirely connected with the federal government, indicating the “protection” of the FBI over a potentially wayward youth. His first job was as a letter carrier, a mailman for the U.S. Postal Service, a routine that would prove useful later for his work as an intelligence contractor, if the mission required getting people to open their front doors and passing through neighborhoods unnoticed.

After a short stint as an IRS auditor, he worked from 1985-89 as an “in-house auditor” for an as-yet unidentified aircraft maintenance company, which was later merged into Lockheed. Just a mere one year into that better-paying job, Paddock plonked down $400,000 cash to purchase outright a large house in Northridge, California.

High Flier, High Times

What’s sticks in my craw is those dates of employment at the mystery company simultaneous with Air Cocaine flights into Mena Airfield, a major aircraft maintenance center in Arkansas while Bill Clinton was governor. It was one of few jobs in that era where an ordinary employee (pilot or ground crew and manager) could earn a tax-free million dollars a year. Perhaps not by accident, Stephen Paddock and the husband of Marilou Danley own homes in Fayetteville-Springdale in the northwest corner of Arkansas, where east-west US Highway 40 meets north-south state road 71 to Mena.

Whether or not his high times at Mena included helping Bill and the Hill roll up a carpet for Vince Foster, Paddock’s subsequent low-profile career was as a small-plane pilot, shuttling contraband or people on contract with intelligence agencies or the Pentagon. News reports indicate he often flew a small plane from Nevada to Alaska during the annual hunting season, a flight distance farther than Honduras to Arkansas. For the Alaskan hunt, he’s hauling a rifle of sufficient caliber to down a moose and maybe a few dollars more of extra hardware and ammo to offload in Idaho or Seattle.

OK, so the question begs an answer: Was Stephen Paddock a CIA assassin, as the ones in Robert Ludlum's Jason Bourne series? We have yet to locate the shallow unmarked graves, even if planes can also be used to dump bodies into lakes and oceans. Pity poor Joe Pesce in "Casino", who had to use a shovel to dig holes in the desert.

ISIS Loyalty Pledge

The ISIS website boasts that Paddock was converted to Islam in April 2017, pledging allegiance to their jihad. He probably crossed the threshold on one of his cruise ship tours from Greece to the Middle East, which included stopovers in Dubai and Jordan, accompanied by his female companion Danley, who claims to have a niece in the UAE. Jordan is landlocked and the best method of entering that country is through the Israeli port of Aqaba.

Since it is by now certain that Paddock was a contract agent for U.S. intelligence, the Mideast cruise indicates:

- first, that he entered the region by cruise ship to avoid detection at region airports where he was probably a known commodity ever since the invasion of military contractors during and after the Iraq wars; and
- second, a CIA or DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) staffer, or a Mossad agent, would have escorted him for a quick briefing from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Jordanian border for his upcoming meetings with ISIS.

Both Dubai and Jordan are major hubs for the Muslim Brotherhood, which was involved in the Hillary-Obama fiasco known as the Arab Spring and financed by the jihadist Emirate of Qatar. Lest Americans have forgotten by now, the Brotherhood launched the first attempted attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and its members were aboard the 911 jetliners. Presumably, many and perhaps most of the captains of ISIS came out of the Brotherhood, the “grandfather of modern jihad”.

Here again in the Paddock caper, the CIA-DIA revealed a basic lack of common sense, even after losing captured “aid workers” to ISIS decapitators. After all, who in their right mind would join ISIS when its barracks and arsenals were being pounded daily by Russian airstrikes? For Stephen Paddock, however, volunteering for this fool’s errand was perhaps his way of making up for the crimes of his father against American society. He was trying to redeem the family name, as hopeless and suicidal as that may have seemed. There’s nothing like Christian guilt to bring on Shariah law.

Gift from Heaven

The masterminds of ISIS must have interpreted Paddock’s oath of fealty as a gift from Above, a doorway into the American heartland, even though it was through the tiger’s den, a trap laid by the CIA. By then, ISIS had a grudge match with President Barack Obama after he reneged on the trans-Syrian pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean and onto Cyprus and Ukraine, meant to compete with the hated Russians who have a near-monopoly on European gas supply.

Despite the risks of entrapment, the ISIS chieftains had every reason to feel confident about the planned strikes on Orlando, Vegas and San Francisco, cities that represent to the Islamic community the sins of bestiality, gambling and homosexuality. (Animals that talk, as in the Disney menagerie are considered diabolical.) The Muslims were gaining the upper hand against their Satanic foe. The Awan brothers team had control of the computers in the House of Representatives, thanks to Debbie Wasserman Schultz; Tim Kaine along with the California Democrats were staunch in their support for open immigration and sanctuary cities, havens for ISIS sleeper cells; Obama’s Pizzagate team set up a transport network for DACA children, ensuring a bright future for Islam in the New World; and Khizer Khan was gaining influence in the DNC. The counterattack was proceeding way faster than Saladin’s slow meandering drive against the Crusaders.

While Stephen Paddock’s intelligence bosses were eager to put marked guns in the hands of jihadist supporters in America, ISIS was many steps ahead of the intel bureaucrats James Comey, John Brennan and Loretta Lynch. If the killings at the Orlando Pulse were an initial taste of glory, the assault on Las Vegas would surely be a bumper harvest, a fiesta for the fatwa.

While Paddock and his Agency superiors set the trap as neatly as he would fill an accounting ledger, the ISIS gunmen quietly took their stations at the Bellagio, Caesar’s Palace, the Aria, New York New York, Tropicana and the Mandalay Bay, while an armed back-up team delicately nibbled on baklava with Turkish coffee, awaiting orders.

For Americans, a ghastly horrifying Halloween came early; but for ISIS the Autumn Moon glowed like honey dripping the sweet taste of revenge. In the Hijri calendar, the night of Oct. 1-2, 2017, marked the Islamic New Year, a blood sacrifice followed by a new dawn promising victory.

Where to Go from Here

What’s the prognosis? More of the same, because American society, including the self-serving political class, is much too narcissistic and divided to put up effective resistance to sustained attacks from fanatics who have no fear of dying and every reason to kill, in a era when citizens cannot even agree to stand up for the national anthem or celebrate Columbus Day, or even dare think of rallying around the commander in chief, all the while exulting in a frenzy of political correctness that prioritizes one’s private issues like sexual orientation over tough personal sacrifices for the common good.

The War on Terror and the Arab Spring, along with the absurd extremism of political correctness, as many of their critics like myself have repeatedly warned, have had devastating consequences for the United States and its democratic norms and cultural traditions. Until there is a minimal degree of unity as a nation, rising with a seachange among hearts and minds, the situation will deteriorate.

In contrast to the attack on Pearl Harbor, which united the country often to excessive zeal, the Las Vegas Massacre was a sharp blow that fragmented the USA into a million broken pieces that may possibly never be glued back together again. Regardless of the folly and disunity of all the sunshine soldiers and anti-social nationhood haters, those who struggle to revive America as a Good Nation, while accepting that greatness has probably been lost forever, will trudge though the approaching Valley Forge of our time toward the battles ahead.

[Noelle]

The Rense article states: During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?

[Flash]

Posted by LadyM (here)
The Rense article states: During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?

Like any tough cookies blocking their heart or having none, they cannot imagine they will lose or be taken by surprise in a way they cannot get off of. It just does not cross their mind. They have no fear, like the ISIS members have no fear.

I think that this part of the article is wrong however. I think that he was never asked to shoot at the crowd, he was purely and simply killed without question.

[Iloveyou]

One question regarding the more overall picture, please (before I'm going off in various dead-ends):

Just in case: if the consensus were that this was a (partly) false flag op, then the possibility of a satanic ritual blood sacrifice/harvest op would have to be ruled out. Is that right?

I understand that within such an event various (even contradicting) purposes are aimed for and it's also a stage for power struggles of opposing factions. But false flag/satanic sacrifice just doesn't go together. And if it were a false flag op, then why all this symbolism!

(So a third possibility would be neither false flag nor sacrifice, of course)

What is (has been) the relation between those two in general or in recent history?

Good morning, btw (in Europe)

[KiwiElf]

I wouldn't rule out ANYthing just yet...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Caliban (here)
We've all seen this photo below, because it was cropped from some outlets to avoid showing the dudes casually looking at their cell phones.

Here's a similar picture, taken at about the same time I presume, that night, after the shooting.

I have marked where the two blown out windows are supposed to be, on the 32nd floor. The two horizontal lines mark the 32nd floor, and the two pairs of vertical lines each surround, above and below, the two windows that were supposedly blown out by the shooter.

Notice that the two windows don't seem to be blown out, though granted, it's hard to tell .

Oops.

Apparently they (whoever "they" are) managed to get the windows blown out before sunrise.

[ThePythonicCow]

This report, from https://www.intellihub.com/las-vegas...o-investigate/, fits with what I'm guessing happened:

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Las Vegas shooting victim, survivor, says 3-5 shooters, several in venue, FBI refusing to investigate
By Shepard Ambellas -
October 8, 2017

“They just started getting closer and closer, louder and louder. […] I do believe that there were people [shooters] inside the venue.”

(INTELLIHUB) — One of last Sunday’s shooting victims Rocky Palermo who was shot in his pelvis told “The Blast” that after he had been shot he could tell that bullets were sweeping the venue from both elevated positions and from different trajectories horizontally and said that several other shooters were firing from inside the venue.

Palermo believes that 3-5 shooters carried out the massacre at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival on Oct. 1 killing 57 people.

“I definitely believe that there was 100% more than one shooter,” Palermo told The Blast. “Every other person that I talked to that, unfortunately, got hit as well have all said the same things.”

The brave man explained that he ran about 200 yards after being shot where he then hid behind a car. He said that he could hear the bullets whizzing by, horizontally, and could tell that a number of the shots were being fired from ground level which supports other eyewitness claims.

“We heard the gunfires approaching where we were,” he said. “They just started getting closer and closer, louder and louder. […] I do believe that there were people [shooters] inside the venue.”

Palermo also noticed that all of the gates to the concert facing Las Vegas Blvd. were always left open for the previous night’s show but were chained closed about ten minutes before the shooting started.

“At 10:00 they closed every exit on Las Vegas Blvd., every single one.,” he said. “They gated them all closed with chainlink fences […] the same entrances that we came in and left on Friday and Saturday night were definitely closed.”

Palermo said that cops were directing people to go the wrong way and said that there were a lot of things that occurred that night that ‘didn’t sit right’ with him.

“I believe that there were at least 3 to 5 shooters. One hundred percent there was not just one shooter firing from the 32nd-floor.”

Palermo said that he has tried to call the FBI on several occasions to offer them additional info but said that the FBI has not responded to his requests.

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[Cidersomerset]

A crack down on alternate media is in full swing.....


ACTIVIST POST....

Las Vegas Shooting: A Cryptic Note, Impossible Planted Rifle And Swipe Of A Key Card That Doesn’t Add Up

Aaron Kesel False Flag Las Vegas Shooting.
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October 8, 2017



By Aaron Kesel

'There are holes galore over the official narrative of the Las Vegas shooting; even
police are starting to admit that a single gunman could not have been responsible
for the plot. It’s way too sophisticated, far too many people died and were injured,
while the motive hasn’t been determined thus far. Too much doesn’t add up. It
seems like every day we are given more questions than answers as evidence begins
to drip out. Now a cryptic note with numbers has been disclosed by authorities.

It has almost been a week since one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history
but investigators, journalists, and armchair investigators are all left confused by
what transpired in Las Vegas. There are so many theories, in fact, that YouTube
has now tweaked its algorithm to protect you from questioning the official
narrative, while regurgitating the mainstream media as an “authoritative source,”
The Wall Street Journal reported.

“In response to criticism on social media of some search results this week, a person
familiar with YouTube said the company is accelerating the rollout of planned
changes to its search engine. On Wednesday night, the video service began
promoting more authoritative sources in search results, especially pertaining to
major news events, the person said. YouTube doesn’t disclose how it determines
which sources are authoritative,” YouTube wrote in a statement.

The unthinkable, a shooting of a peaceful gathering for music interrupted by pelted
gunfire which took the lives of 60 and injured hundreds of others. Perpetrated by
the perfect criminal, a rich 64-year-old former accountant and real estate investor
addicted to gambling who could afford 23 guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition for all of those firearms.'

The shooting reportedly lasted five to fifteen minutes, though estimates vary
according to the Washington Post.While that in itself raises questions such as if
there are multiple guns why would authorities rule out a second, third or even
possible fourth shooter before any formal investigation? Especially since earlier
police audio indicated that there might be more than one shooter
Las Vegas Active Shooter on 4th floor! POLICE SCANNER LIVE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=isSuISJQL4U

The story certainly doesn’t end there. Since the October 1st shooting new facts
have emerged as the “official narrative” of the shooting takes shape that just
leaves you scratching your head thinking wtf?

The gunman set up cameras throughout the hall, under the serving cart and in
front of the door to watch for police, yet now MSM news outlets are reporting that
he may have been planning to escape. If true, his car had homemade explosives in
it; so was he planning on martyrdom?

Yesterday, the narrative took an even more blurry weird turn as investigators
finally admitted that a note was found on the scene but the note was alleged to be
just numbers, no letters, just cryptic code according to authorities.Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill confirmed the
revelation in Friday’s press conference:McMahill said Friday afternoon that police
have yet to determine “what those numbers are or mean.”

“In the past, terror attacks or mass murder motive was made very clear by a note
that was left, by a social media post, by a telephone call that was made, by
investigators mining computer data,” Undersheriff McMahill said.

“Today, in our investigation, we don’t have any of that uncovered. I wish we did.
We will and are continuing to investigate with great tenacity and hope to arrive at
an answer,” he added.While a Las Vegas K9 police officer Dave Newton has alleged
it was calculations about where the shooter needed to aim.

“I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of
what his bullet was gonna be for for the crowd,” Newton said. “So he had had that
written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets
from there.”

This explains the police secrecy behind this note, at first denying that any “suicide
note” even existed, but was subsequently revealed in leaked photos from the crime
scene which forced police to acknowledge it. Also revealed in the leaked pictures
were several anomalies of the crime scene. One example is the way the shooter
died with a firearm perched over the killer’s leg and what looked like empty shells
above his head in a pool of blood that had not a squirt somehow on the top of any
of the bullets. In short, the scene was impossible, it was too perfect. Both the shell
casing and gun looked planted. Maybe that is why the photos were leaked along
with the existence of the note left on the table?

If someone shot themselves in the head and the bullet casing was there from firing
hundreds of shots ejected from the gun, that scene would be impossible as there
would be blood all over the shells, not just floating in a murky pool. In order for this
scenario to happen the killer would have had to have been sitting down on the
ground with a gun across his leg and when he blew his brains out there would be
blood all behind him covering the empty shell casings in blood. Instead, what we
see is a scene where the killer is bleeding out his skull drooling out blood while all
of the visible bullets themselves remain virtually clean from any brain tissue residue.

It’s more likely that the crime scene was tampered with and someone left the rifle
on his leg to prove it. Why? Because as the early reports stated by police,
they “neutralized the killer.”

After the situation settled down, the narrative was changed to death by suicide. In
this writer’s opinion, by covering up simple facts like cause of death the police are
only fueling the theory that the attack was a false flag. While they further refused
until now to tell the public about the existence of the note and stated there was no
motive that only furthers that divide.

Read more: Las Vegas Shooting: A Cryptic Note, Impossible Planted Rifle And
Swipe Of A Key Card That Doesn’t Add Up
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10...nt-add-up.html


This graphic picture is also on the article it may be to graphic ? if so delete MODS ..
But it does show clearly the bullet casings...

[Link to picture: https://i2.wp.com/www.hollywoodlanew...pg?w=600&ssl=1 ]

https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10...nt-add-up.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut?

[Noelle]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut?

I agree with you. The Rense version does not smell right to me. At first read, it did. Then I read it two more times, and what kept coming up as a red flag was Las Vegas, the heart of the city, as a place to deal with ISIS. Whoever arranged it, whether it was the FBI or CIA, could have a picked some off-the-beaten path motel in the city's outskirts or further out, like in a deserty Nevada town with far fewer people to endanger. And if Paddock had an ounce of love for his fellow citizens, he could have said, "Nope, I'm not doing it. It will put too many lives at risk."

The article also suggests he may have agreed to the "fool's errand" to make amends for the deeds of his father. How often do people do that, make up for the crimes of their fathers and mothers?

[Cognitive Dissident]

I don't agree with the premise of this article. It assumes that ISIS is an independent organisation, whereas in fact it is funded by Saudi-Qatar-etc, probably as a conduit to the CIA. ISIS has no independent existence. So to say something like "By then, ISIS had a grudge match with President Barack Obama after he reneged on the trans-Syrian pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean and onto Cyprus and Ukraine, meant to compete with the hated Russians who have a near-monopoly on European gas supply" just doesn't make any sense - ISIS had no interest in that pipeline, although of course Qatar did, and behind them the US.

Also, while the article contains some interesting facts (assuming they are correct), it also has some stupid errors, like "Jordan is landlocked and the best method of entering that country is through the Israeli port of Aqaba" - actually Aqaba is a port in Jordan, which is not landlocked. The Israeli port next to Aqaba is called Eilat. This could only have been written by somebody who has very little knowledge of the Middle East (and also can't use Google) - not exactly giving much confidence in the rest of the article.

[Tintin]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut?

Yes, I feel the same way about this ISIS decoy being permeated. No way, and no matter how eruditely an argument could be put for it, the shooting smacks of a military style operation. The ISIS references are deliberate ploys to distract from the source of perpetration. If we have learned anything from 9/11 investigations, and this is beginning to resemble that in terms of its importance, the trail simply has to go to rogue compartments of maybe more than one agency with ties, possibly, to the "usual" suspects.

I'm dismissing ISIS at all here unless something utterly concrete persuades me to alter my view. That narrative coupled with the official baloney, and it is that, baloney, feels like it has been taken out of a movie script, hook line and sinker.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by LadyM (here)
The article also suggests he may have agreed to the "fool's errand" to make amends for the deeds of his father. How often do people do that, make up for the crimes of their fathers and mothers?

Yes agreed. I don't see whatever his father may have done all those years ago as having any bearing on his decision making process. For me, Paddock bears all the hallmarks of a patsy, for whatever strange reason. Not necessarily even a completely innocent patsy - just a convenient one, to be instantly silenced.

It would not be the first time a FBI-linked operative was set up in this way to take the fall as a lone wolf nutter in an state-orchestrated event (in my opinion). A certain Mr. Oswald would pay testament to that.

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By the way Cider, could you remove that quite horrible picture? It would be better displayed as a link than an [img], with a full warning of its graphic nature. Cheers

[Satori]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by alexius (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

This person is a male and looks like he is in a law enforcement uniform. He's holding what appears to me to be a hand gun. It could be a small uzi-type automatic weapon. He looks guilty as hell of something.

This video may prove to be the Zapruder film of this event. It provides some evidence of the involvement of at least one other person on the ground in the area of the concert and it briefly shows no flashes coming from Mandalay Bay at the 32nd floor or any floor during what sounds like machine gun fire. Whether the guy in the tan shirt was firing live ammo or blanks, or doing something else is something that inquiring minds want to know.