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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Some other articles from D.Icke headline page posted by Andy Cheetham...


    Las Vegas Shooting – Paul Craig Roberts
    By Paul Craig Roberts on October 5, 2017

       
    You will have to make up your own minds about Las Vegas. Why no videos of Stephen Paddock
    carrying in the many cases of 23 firearms and ammunition?



    Drapes billow out of broken windows at the Mandalay Bay resort and casino Monday, Oct. 2, 2017,
    on the Las Vegas Strip following a deadly shooting at a music festival in Las Vegas. A gunman was
    found dead inside a hotel room. (AP Photo/John Locher)

    by Paul Craig Roberts

    Dear Readers, I appreciate the confidence that you show in me with your emails asking my opinion
    about the Las Vegas shooting. Many of you suspect that it is another false flag affair, and you ask
    me about its purpose.

    I don’t know if it was a false flag attack, and if so, by who or for what purpose. I don’t expect to ever
    know. A story is set in place by officials and media. The only way to ever know is to personally investigate.
    You would have to go to Las Vegas, examine the scene, ask questions of the hotel, investigate the answers
    if you get any, find and interview concert attendees who were shot, attend funerals and see bodies of those
    killed, speak to their families, learn about the weapon allegedly used, experience trying to shoot at targets
    far below and far away, compare the number of casualties with the recorded time of firing, and so forth. In
    other words, we would have to do the job that in former times would have been done by the press, but no more.

    It is almost like the story is being kept from us. For example, from media reports that the event was just
    across the street from the hotel, I did not know that “across the street” was a distance of 390 yards (1,170 feet).


    read more....https://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2017...craig-roberts/
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    ANOTHER DAY IN THE EMPIRE...

    Las Vegas Massacre: An Ongoing Police State Op

    October 6, 2017


    read more
    http://anotherdayintheempire.com/las...lice-state-op/


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    WAKING TIMES...

    The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

    October 6, 2017
    Dylan Charles editor...

    Waking Times
    By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
    by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel. Without a doubt, something
    doesn’t add up, but, we’ve gone through this before, many times now, and it never
    adds up.

    read more...
    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/0...itual-warfare/

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    Posted By A.Cheetham

    RT News....
    FBI must work undercover with ISIS, even during attacks, to climb group's ranks - criminal attorney


    https://www.rt.com/news/405806-fbi-t...ampaign=chrome

    https://www.davidicke.com/article/43...minal-attorney
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    I think this enhanced video analysis pretty much excludes the idea that this guy was shooting into the crowd. They had a torch and handguns as you'd expect for police in that situation but were not firing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SEoIVibqKQ

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    A couple of articles from D.Icke headline page posted by Andy Cheetham...


    Las Vegas Shooting – Paul Craig Roberts
    By Paul Craig Roberts on October 5, 2017

       
    You will have to make up your own minds about Las Vegas. Why no videos of Stephen Paddock
    carrying in the many cases of 23 firearms and ammunition?
    Don't mean to stickler with what PCR has written, however, I've heard it pointed out before (from somewhere) that Paddock was a frequent guest at the Mandalay, and it would not be that much of a stretch to consider that perhaps several bellhops at the hotel did the work & heavy lifting of hauling various bags of "luggage" / equipment up to his room. Certainly, there would be video of carts of luggage being rolled into his room by said bellhops.






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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    I haven't had time to check all videos, read all threads/posts just yet, but have muzzle flashes been identified in any footage?

    I am by no means knowledgeable of firearms, and maybe I've seen too many movies, and maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'd expect muzzle flashes to show up bright and clear in the dark, at night - even from 100s of feet away. I'd also expect those flashes to closely synchronize with the sounds of gunfire. But in the clips so far I don't see anything coming from those 32nd storey windows, I can't see anything up there at all.
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Good question, Star Mariner. I asked the same question last Wednesday in post #188. I still have not viewed any videos that show muzzle flashes on the 32nd floor where the alleged shooter was shooting.

    You can see lights in the rooms of the Mandalay at night through the tinted glass so muzzle flashes would have lit up the rooms that were indicated by the official (i.e., contrived) story even if the glass was not broken out.

    There was a strobe light that was mistaken for muzzle flashes in a lower room. One video showed it flashing before the shooting started and in another video the strobe light continued flashing AFTER the rifle fire stopped. I saw another still photo of three lights in a lower area which appear to be just lights since it was not a video that showed them flashing--but nothing flashing on the 32nd floor.

    The woman taxi driver whose video revealed at least two shooters reported that it sounded to her like someone was shooting out of the tenth floor. However, there are rooftops above where she was when she said that that theoretically could have been used by a shooter. And as I also pointed out there were numerous other possible elevated locations where a shooter could have hidden around and in the Harvest area (such as the double billboards which were closer).
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards




    Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    The guy might have been dead while the shooting was going on.
    When the media reports the gunman was on the 32nd floor, that's where everybody is gonna focus on. Just maybe, there really is nothing to find there (on the 32nd floor)



    just a thought

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by Jantje (here)
    In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards




    Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread
    Actually, I don't think this one has, and it does seem to have a ring of authenticity about it. I've been right through this thread from beginning to end, and, it's some journey I can tell you!

    Thanks for sharing.

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    That last video, if audio can be trusted, definitely (to my ears) has 2 shooters at differing distances. Having the stage lights up maximum white facing the crowd blinds you to anything in that direction. Any interviews with stagehands / crew out there? Anyone to confirm or explain gates being chained shut 10 minutes before according to at least one account?
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    Quote Don't mean to stickler with what PCR has written, however, I've heard it pointed out before (from somewhere) that Paddock was a frequent guest at the Mandalay, and it would not be that much of a stretch to consider that perhaps several bellhops at the hotel did the work & heavy lifting of hauling various bags of "luggage" / equipment up to his room. Certainly, there would be video of carts of luggage being rolled into his room by said bellhops.
    Yeah I know the article is from the 5th and as with some of the others
    they are not upto date. In the CBS interview with his brother he said that
    it would be easy to get anything to his room by handing out a wad of $....

    But some people may like to hear/read others first reactions and updates
    and there maybe something missed , and I only just saw them.Most just
    confirm the fact a lot of this does not add up....

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    Quote The guy might have been dead while the shooting was going on.
    That would not surprise me judging by the photos of his body , it looks like
    its from a classic spy thriller movie.....
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by Jantje (here)
    In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards




    Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread
    I don't get how people, when they should be running for their lives, can hold their phones and cameras and video record what's going on. I'm not saying that people can't or don't do it.

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    Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    That last video, if audio can be trusted, definitely has 2 shooters at differing distances. Having the stage lights up maximum white facing the crowd blinds you to anything in that direction. Any interviews with stagehands / crew out there? Anyone to confirm or explain gates being chained shut 10 minutes before according to at least one account?
    I would say at least 2 shooters, in different locations and with at least two different weapons of different caliber.

    And, there is a man with a tan shirt and a yellow reflector vest in this video (I did not note the time mark when he appears.) who looks like the man in the other video seen coming into the bottom left corner of the video and then crouching down at the 8-second mark, all coinciding with flashing of light and apparent gunfire, and then who appears again at the 19-second mark of that other video. It may not be the same person, but it's the same law enforcement-appearing or security attire.

    ADD: He appears at the 1:45 mark and seems to be saying "Come on. Come on!"

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    I would venture to suggest that no guest could get 20 plus weapons into a hotel room without some kind of 'pass', ie. inside assistance. All these hotels employ top notch security and the majority probably employ discrete metal detectors. Listen as Steve Wynn discusses his security concerns. (2+ years ago)



    More currently, Wynn mentions using a service elevator without any prompting?
    paraphrase "No guest could use a service elevator without security being present."


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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
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    Ded0099 Published on Oct 4, 2017

    Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.
    Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.
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    Quote Posted by LadyM (here)
    If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?
    Not saying this is the case, but with electromagnetic mind control they can negate any mental process, they can go in and select certain mind algorithms and remove them. They know which mind algorithms lead to which type of thought. I experience it on a daily basis when I'm writing. Sometimes I can feel a certain amount of mind CPU negated, but that is only when I have the mind algorithm capable of detecting such things. Mind control goes so much deeper than the standard trauma based mind control literature describes. Every single mechanic of the mind can be inhibited, created or enhanced with end game RF weaponry. So when it comes to massive social engineering events like this sometimes trying to truly pinpoint a person's thinking capacity at the time isn't a good way to go. Another aspect is that everyone handles pressure differently, so intelligent people can be the opposite under fire.

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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
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    Ded0099 Published on Oct 4, 2017

    Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.
    Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.
    Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.
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    Default Re: Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

    Quote Posted by TrumanCash (here)
    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:

    Ded0099 Published on Oct 4, 2017

    Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.
    Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.
    Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.
    Time is correct - 8m52s. The cab driver video on the right. Just as the cab driver says, "It seems like its coming from up there.... Oh sh!t..." It is only seen for 2-3 seconds at the most... Its not the 32nd floor, imo. Btw, the Mandalay windows can be removed - popped out - from the inside.


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    (Thankful to all here at Project Avalon that are trying to discover the truth about the Vegas killing field.)

    Red herring:
    It appears that the "security guard shooting into the crowd" is really a cop who (in 2017, US cop new normalcy fashion) draws his handgun and aims at whatever he saw, whatever made him draw his gun, which was in the crowd. Astoundingly, even though as he is starting to raise his pistol, a burst of automatic rifle fire goes off freaking the cop and everyone else out, but the freaked out cop doesn't shoot. He did aim his weapon at the crowd (inexcusable, no matter what he thought he saw), but he didn't fire his weapon.

    When I heard several people say, "no, the security guard raises a flashlight", I had to look carefully for myself, and played it frame-by-frame. The cop next to him (on his left) does evidently have a flashlight, but the cop on the right has a handgun:
    Attachment 36246
    That's a cropped frame capture. Gun barrel still pointed to the ground, as the gun is being raised.

    Once I looked at it frame-by-frame, it didn't look to me like the cop fired a shot, and went searching on CIAtube, er, googletube, er, youtube and found someone that analyzed the same sequence and (by adjustments to lightening) clearly show that there is no muzzle flash from that cop's gun. Plus, it is a small pistol that would not have made the sounds of an automatic rifle in the distance, and from where the video was shot, on the cellphone's mic it would have been 10x louder. No one in front of the cop appears to have been shot.

    I hate that this guy uses the term "debunk", but here's the video:



    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SEoIVibqKQ

    Also, in the sequence, a stray bullet hits the ground near a plastic cup and spins the cup (= real bullets fired.) This one was hard for me to see, and I was sure that a person running through the scene had kicked the cup, not a ricocheting bullet. But again, someone had made a video analyzing that specific little event, and it certainly does appear to be a ricocheting bullet (visually as well as audio.) This video turns the ricochet sound up to cartoonish volume, so much so that I had to go back and watch the original to see if the sound is in there. It is.

    Video:


    Keep at it, my Avalon friends! One thing we know for sure, since at least Nov 22nd, 1963: the people who did this won't solve the crime, and whoever they name as the perps are not the perps. All that's left are citizen journalists and citizens combing through publicly available evidence and doing research. We are all we have, but we are enough.


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    Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:

    Ded0099 Published on Oct 4, 2017

    Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.
    Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.
    Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.
    Time is correct - 8m52s. The cab driver video on the right. Its only is seen for 2-3 seconds... Its not the 32nd floor, imo. Btw, the Mandalay windows can be removed - popped out - from the inside.


    Window Maintenance @ Mandaly
    Turiya, are you referring to the strobe light at about 8:50 in the video? If you look closely it keeps flashing AFTER the gun fire stops. The taxi is moving but a second or two later you get a couple more glimpses of it after the shooting stops.

    Also, there's another video that shows it flashing long BEFORE any shooting starts.

    If I run across that video that I saw of the strobe light BEFORE the shooting, I'll post it.
    Last edited by TrumanCash; 9th October 2017 at 18:10.

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